what kind of journey fan are you? 1973-2008

[mikemarrs]

what kind of journey fan are you?

i've thought about this and i'm curious as to what phases of the band people here like and if they still like the band with arnel fronting it 2008?

i like the first three albums without perry 1975-1977,good music on those.

i like the rollie era with perry from 1978-1980,good stuff there.

the cain-perry mega hits era 1981-1986,really good stuff.

i like the comeback album trial by fire 1996.

i really haven't gotten into the augeri phase with arrival,red 13 and generations but i still think they were right for soldiering on with the journey name.

i never saw a show with JSS but he made a lot of people fans and gave journey a new lease but they didn't want to hold onto him.

now for the arnel phase 2008 through whenever i guess i'll give it a listen.

this is the bands 35th anniversary this year.they formed in 1973....congrats on thirty five years.

[JRNYLIVE]

im part of the tired of the bullshit Era. Where the Fans are treated with no respect and the band thinks they can say fuck the fans.

JSS was the last straw.

They are a glorified cover band now.

KISS MY ASS JOURNEY.

Ahh, that fellt good...

[mikemarrs]

exactly.thats what i'm curious about as far as the fans here go.there are some who listen to nothing but perry era stuff.then there the ones who are done with the band after the JSS debacle happened.you have a few who champion the band before perry joined who love the prog stuff they did.a few are augeri era fans who like the band or started liking it in the last few years.

[mikemarrs]

i'm wondering if the average ticket buyer who now goes and sees the band live even know who steve perry is.the younger fans of the band now might be strictly into the songs not even knowing the bands history period.

[youkeepmewaiting]

im part of the tired of the bullshit Era. Where the Fans are treated with no respect and the band thinks they can say fuck the fans.

JSS was the last straw.

They are a glorified cover band now.

KISS MY ASS JOURNEY.

Ahh, that fellt good...

Why are they only a cover band now???

They were touring with Jeff playing the Journey songs

Now they are releasing an album with Arnel.

Surely they were more of a cover band with JSS...

[mikemarrs]

i wonder if the band considers itself strictly a nostalgia act at this point......

[youkeepmewaiting]

i wonder if the band considers itself strictly a nostalgia act at this point......

If that were the case, they wouldnt be releasing a new album - of new stuff.

[Rick]

I'm mostly a fan of the Perry era, that's what hooked me. I liked some of the Augeri era, I thought he did a very admirable job. Loved Journey with JSS, that was the most ass kicking the band was in over 20 years. Of course the Arnel era is yet to be seen. I'm cautiously optimistic on that.

All this crap about them being a cover band is ridiculous. I know Perry was what made them what they are, but he no longer wants to work. They would stop the show and let him walk back in any time, but since he doesn't want to, or isn't able to, they have to move on. Should they have waited on Perry's hip problem? I think they were always waiting on him, and how long can you expect musicians that want to work to wait on someone? That's a tough call, and it wasn't my call to make.

Their business affairs are nobody's business but theirs. It sucks that Augeri and Soto were treated as cold as they were, but we weren't there to see why things went down as they did. The blame could be anyones. Perry was just one member. Is Van Halen a cover band because Michael Anthony isn't there? He's also just one member.

I know I bitched and moaned for a good while, but I'm ready to put that aside and let the music continue. For as long as it's going to at least.

[mikemarrs]

even though i love perry we have to think about how he made them wait ten years from 86-96 to get back together.thats a lot of lost time.once perry had this hip thing after trial by fire these guys figured he would make them wait a long time again so they finally soldiered on.i can't blame neal and jon for wanting to keep it going.

[youkeepmewaiting]

No doubt. Perry made his own bed. The band rightfully moved on. The fans wanted to hear Journey, Schon gave the fans what he could.

Fave era is the Cain/Perry/Schon era.

But i love TBF and its overall my favourite album from them

From a music point of view Generations and esp Arrival kick some arse!

[journey062393]

I was never a big fan of the pre-Perry era. But......after the 30th Anniversary Tour, I really began to appreciate just how diverse this band really is/was over time. For me, it will always be the Perry songs, I think because he is the one that got me "hooked". I am a big fan of the Frontiers album, and I might be in the minority, but I loved the melow sound of Trial By Fire. It wasnt "Classic Journey", but after a 10 year break, did anyone really expect it to be? I think it was very powerful and emotional and....to me....that is what Journey is about anyways. I liked Arrival, but I rarely listen to it anymore. Its unfortunate because to me there are a few songs on there that I think could have had some longevity, but they didnt really follow it up with anything(I dont even really count Red 13). I think 15 years from now, Arrival will be somewhat of an afterthought. I didnt really want to like JSS, but after hearing and seeing him take control of every song on stage, I couldnt help but like him. But......I also am glad that they never recorded an album with him. To me, it would have changed the direction of Journey and I'm not in favor of that. Apparently the band isnt either. I'm happy they are continuing with Arnel though, no matter what the circumstances. I just want to be able to continue to hear Journey perform live again and again. I never had the chance to see the Perry era Journey live and I regret it constantly. To me, hearing the band perform with another lead singer is the next best thing, and that IS the best thing I can get right now. I wish Jeremey would have been the choice because if I truly want them to be able to sound exactly like their past, then he is the best fit. But given the choice between Augeri, JSS, or Arnel, I think Arnel gives them the best chance to make a pretty memorable album to stand the test of time. I dont know, just my opinion I guess.

[kencubby69]

I think my favorite era was the Rolie/Perry years, but I also loved the pre-Perry era also, there was some damn good music made during those years.

My least favorite era is the Cain/Perry, I know, I know, but I'd take Departure over Escape or Frontiers any day of the week.

[Journey69]

im part of the tired of the bullshit Era. Where the Fans are treated with no respect and the band thinks they can say fuck the fans.

JSS was the last straw.

They are a glorified cover band now.

KISS MY ASS JOURNEY.

Ahh, that fellt good...

You are such a jackass! Arrival was one of the best albums.. How are they a cover band you dumb sob.. They have done new music with every singer.. Another JSS apologist..Pull your head out of your ass,you close minded prick!

[mikemarrs]

i wonder that in 2008 if journey released new material with steve perry and announced a tour to support the new record if that would be enough to snag a number one spot on the billboard 200.the new album with arnel will debut in the top twenty somewhere i'm guessing and probably fall quickly.

[StoneCold]

You should set this up as a poll. I think you can still do it.

[Andrew]

1981 onwards really....

Some of the earlier classics, but absolutely EVERYTHING from that point onwards, including TBF, Arrival and even Generations (some tracks excluded!)

Very curious to hear the new material.

[JRNYLIVE]

im part of the tired of the bullshit Era. Where the Fans are treated with no respect and the band thinks they can say fuck the fans.

JSS was the last straw.

They are a glorified cover band now.

KISS MY ASS JOURNEY.

Ahh, that fellt good...

You are such a jackass! Arrival was one of the best albums.. How are they a cover band you dumb sob.. They have done new music with every singer.. Another JSS apologist..Pull your head out of your ass,you close minded prick!

Im frustrated man, relax I loved that Augeri CD and im a huge Fan of JSS as a performer.

calling me a closed minded prick and jackass wasnt called for.

[mikemarrs]

i'm starting to think at this point that maybe not having steve is really not hurting these guys as much as everyone has thought.their heyday is long over with and the great string of gold and platinum ran its course long ago.if anything they make more having arnel because they won't have to pay him the kind of dough perry would demand if he was there doing live shows and recording new material.

who knows lightning might strike again but now that i've thought about it they will never have another great run like they did in the 80's and they peaked long ago but they are still pretty popular because the songs are what count.by including stuff in the sopranos and the world series white sox singing DSB they essentially keep their music in the pubic conciousness.Journey is a band known for its music and although perry was there at its peak the band itself created those songs and they will live on regardless if perry is there or not.

after thinking about it awhile i've decided to support journey even though the perry era is my favorite they still have music from other eras i like.arnel might make the grade or he may not but the thing is the journey continues on for now......

[STORY_TELLER]

I agree with pretty much everything the thread poster said, with the following minor adjustments (highlighted):

i like the rollie era with perry from 1978-1980 a lot.

I love the cain-perry mega hits era 1981-1986.

i like the comeback album trial by fire 1996, but not as much as either the 78-86 material.

i didn't get into the augeri phase but i still think they were right for soldiering on with the journey name. They just chose the wrong singer to do it with.

i never saw a show with JSS, but I believe he gave journey a new lease which could have allowed the band to stand on its own legs and move beyond being the house that Perry built.

now for the arnel phase, i'll give it a listen and from there decide if I'm going to continue supporting them.

[MartyMoffatt]

I was completely oblivious to the pre-Perry stuff - it never had any airplay in the UK. The Perry era also passed me by, as at that time I preferred much harder rock and I felt the Perry albums (certainly the studio albums) didn't rock enough for my taste. And of course the band didn't come anywhere near these shores so I couldn't see how they translated those songs live.

Arrival was the first Journey album I really listened to and I really enjoyed that, and especially their live performances over the past few years. I thought their live renditions of the old tunes made them sound much better too.

I was already a big JSS fan before he joined the band, and the combination of Neal's shredding, Jeff's vocals and Deen's drumming created a sound that was nigh on perfect for the level of energy and 'rockiness' that I appreciate most in music. I really looked forward to hearing some new music from them. Sadly that wasn't to be.

However, personnel changes in rock bands are a fact of live. You bitch about it for a while, you get over it and you MOVE ON. Arnel sounds like a genuine guy and apparently he has a great voice. I look forward to hearing what they can do, both in terms of new songs and (more importantly for me) in terms of their live performances.

As it happens, the various changes over the past few years have actually given me more to look forward to. I've been introduced to Steve Augeri and I'm looking forward to hearing new stuff from him. I am looking forward to hearing Jeff's new album in a month or two (and of course we see a lot of him live over here, although not nearly enough ). And I'm looking forward to the new Journey. Life's too short to keep looking backwards.

Marty

[Voyager]

im part of the tired of the bullshit Era. Where the Fans are treated with no respect and the band thinks they can say fuck the fans.

JSS was the last straw.

They are a glorified cover band now.

KISS MY ASS JOURNEY.

Ahh, that fellt good...

You are such a jackass! Arrival was one of the best albums.. How are they a cover band you dumb sob.. They have done new music with every singer.. Another JSS apologist..Pull your head out of your ass,you close minded prick!

Im frustrated man, relax I loved that Augeri CD and im a huge Fan of JSS as a performer.

calling me a closed minded prick and jackass wasnt called for.

That seems to be a trend around here. If you won't rubber-stamp everything Fro and Friga have done, you are labelled a closed-minded jackass prick with your head up your ass.

[Andrew]

im part of the tired of the bullshit Era. Where the Fans are treated with no respect and the band thinks they can say fuck the fans.

JSS was the last straw.

They are a glorified cover band now.

KISS MY ASS JOURNEY.

Ahh, that fellt good...

You are such a jackass! Arrival was one of the best albums.. How are they a cover band you dumb sob.. They have done new music with every singer.. Another JSS apologist..Pull your head out of your ass,you close minded prick!

And another jackass reply....where does this guy slag Arrival? ALL opinions are welcome here thank you.

[Andrew]

im part of the tired of the bullshit Era. Where the Fans are treated with no respect and the band thinks they can say fuck the fans.

JSS was the last straw.

They are a glorified cover band now.

KISS MY ASS JOURNEY.

Ahh, that fellt good...

You are such a jackass! Arrival was one of the best albums.. How are they a cover band you dumb sob.. They have done new music with every singer.. Another JSS apologist..Pull your head out of your ass,you close minded prick!

Im frustrated man, relax I loved that Augeri CD and im a huge Fan of JSS as a performer.

calling me a closed minded prick and jackass wasnt called for.

That seems to be a trend around here. If you won't rubber-stamp everything Fro and Friga have done, you are labelled a closed-minded jackass prick with your head up your ass.

Not at all. ALL opinions more than welcome and J69s post was out of line.

[Voyager]

ALL opinions are welcome here thank you.

That's what makes this forum so great Andrew. You rock.

[Andrew]

I was completely oblivious to the pre-Perry stuff - it never had any airplay in the UK. The Perry era also passed me by, as at that time I preferred much harder rock and I felt the Perry albums (certainly the studio albums) didn't rock enough for my taste. And of course the band didn't come anywhere near these shores so I couldn't see how they translated those songs live.

Arrival was the first Journey album I really listened to and I really enjoyed that, and especially their live performances over the past few years. I thought their live renditions of the old tunes made them sound much better too.

I was already a big JSS fan before he joined the band, and the combination of Neal's shredding, Jeff's vocals and Deen's drumming created a sound that was nigh on perfect for the level of energy and 'rockiness' that I appreciate most in music. I really looked forward to hearing some new music from them. Sadly that wasn't to be.

However, personnel changes in rock bands are a fact of live. You bitch about it for a while, you get over it and you MOVE ON. Arnel sounds like a genuine guy and apparently he has a great voice. I look forward to hearing what they can do, both in terms of new songs and (more importantly for me) in terms of their live performances.

As it happens, the various changes over the past few years have actually given me more to look forward to. I've been introduced to Steve Augeri and I'm looking forward to hearing new stuff from him. I am looking forward to hearing Jeff's new album in a month or two (and of course we see a lot of him live over here, although not nearly enough ). And I'm looking forward to the new Journey. Life's too short to keep looking backwards.

Marty

Nice post Marty...

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

My favorite Journey eras are wrapped up with how the music related to my life-

The nostolgia bit in me loves the Perry era. I grew up in Minnesota in a very straight laced religious home where all rock music, even Journey was banned. My highschool sweetheart made me a clandestine blank tape with ESCAPE and Frontiers on it and I passionately listened it to in secret until i got a car ,bought the back catalogue and then drove around in freedom blasting the stuff out (showed the girlfriend the backseat whilst blasting out Captured if I remember-

Grew up, ran away to the US Navy, ended up staying in England . The Augeri era was more than enough to serve as a reminder of the good ole Journey sound and keep the memory of home alive. So I like that era (although Generations was a poor album)

One weekend I caught a flight up to Sweden to see sweden rock. Got hooked on Talisman. A few years later much to delight and absolute suprise , JSS ened up fronting journey. Was sure this was gonna be my favorite era, hundreds of new memories. Now Im mad and disappointed, almost ruined the whole story for me.

I'm not sure Im buying an entry pass to the Arnel era or not.

[mikemarrs]

i remember buying the first journey release on cassette and thinking about how weird it sounded and why there was a lot of music but a few vocals and where the heck is perry at,lol.i think i was finally told by someone at the music store where i bought it that the first three journey were without perry.this was in like the mid 80's so there was no internet to research.i had already had escape and frontiers for a couple years by then and was curious about the other stages of the band.i remember captured being my personal favorite for a long time and then escape.

[journey062393]

If anyone is looking for the post Perry Journey to record a new "hit", its just not going to happen. Styles have changed. Music has changed and always will. Take any major band from the 80's......who are currently all still together......and do they have ANY songs even remotely close to becoming a hit? NO! (ok, maybe with the exception of BonJovi) We all want new music from our favorite band. I think what draws most of us to Journey IS their classic sound from the 80's, whether it be from a ballad, or from a rocker, but there just isnt a demand for that kind of music anymore. I just want them to continue to be creative and make new music.

[sniper16]

a fan from the first time i heard anyway you want it.
the steve perry era was the best
tbf/ror the worst
i like the rock stuff a little better
liked augerui
dont understand the jss LAST STRAW PPEOPLE.
most of who slagged him before they heard him.
remember when everyone ripped them when he replaced steve a.

[jrnyjetster]

I had been a dedicated fan since 1978....

Very disappointed when they disappeared in 1987.

Ecstatic over their return in 1996...ran to the store to buy Trial By Fire.

Let down again in 1997 after learning they wouldn't tour.

Semi-excited, although skeptical in 1998, but Steve Augeri & Deen Castronovo did impress me.

Followed the band thru every subsequent tour that followed.

Very sad to see what happened to Augeri in '06.

Embraced Jeff Scott Soto, as I thought we would finally see Journey move into a new direction.

Absolutely dumbfounded when I read they'd dumped Jeff......

Basically resigned myself from this band after that fiasco, but I will give the NEW album a listen.

I wish Arnel good luck in '08 because he's gonna need it!