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Should Journey have changed their name when the band hired a new singer as Perry requested?

Yes. Steve Perry was/is Journey.
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No. Journey is not Steve Perry.
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Postby Playitloudforme » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:44 am

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When the vocals are more than a key element to the band's notariety, you run a risk. Van Halen was not completely dependant on vocals, nor was Queen. Both found success with other singers, but then again, both had rock GODS as their guitarists. Schon doesn't rank up there, as much as he'd LIKE to... he doesn't. I'm not saying he's not brilliant...he is. But is NOT regarded that high up the rock god ladder (meaning public & industry opinions... if you had to rank them all, and not just you, cause we all know which way you'd vote, but say, everyone in your city, Neal wouldn't make the list of the top 10. I'd venture to say Eddie Van Halen and Brian May would -- http://www.votenumber1.com/vote1rockguitarist.html for an example. Neal was the first voted off. On the lead singer poll, even tho Perry hasn't sung in 10 years... he's #2. That's rock god status).

Should they have changed their name? I for one, think they should have. Neal could have had the total freedom to do whatever he wanted, have the band as all HIS, which is what he wanted it to be about to begin with. As long as it had the name JOURNEY,... it will forever be compared to the Steve Perry version of the band. Shoot, who was it that heard a DJ who STILL thought Perry was in the band....The fan base would forever be split apart, constantly comparing. Using another name, it would be brand new, and his success would be made or broken by his own merit, and not because it failed to meet expectations based upon past experience. Neal took the easy money way out. He knew he could make money playing the songs that worked, and he'd rather have the money than risk being out there with something new. Shit...they got rid of JSS...and with HIM they could have had NEW. I don't think Neal's into risk. JMHO.


And what would happen to the Journey catalogue and name, would you rather it was left to deteriorate along with Perry's vocal ability? Schon tried the new approach at least twice with questionable success. Bad English and the so called new approach with JSS in Soul Sirkus. It just didn't wash with the majority. I am sure Schon would love to have massive success outside of Journey so he could step out of Steve Perry's shadow once and for all but it appears that it is not going to happen so better not to derail the money train.

As for that ridiculous best of 'whatever' poll - there is a dedicated thread on this very board that has kept Perry in contention. Without that he would have dropped off it ages ago. Want proof go check the position of Don't Stop Believin' on the best rock song poll...Seems that everyone so far forgot to vote on that one they did with Schon as best guitarist. No rock god status merely a handful of dedicated fans who dutifully vote as often as they are able.

The remainder of the band have done enough over the past decade to be called Journey. In fact this whole thread is ten years too late. Seriously no-one seemed this pissed when Paul Rogers took on the frontman role in Queen and that could really be considered messing with a legacy. In fact fans appeared to be pleased that they would get a chance to see the band play once again and many considered the move in some ways respectful. To my ears Rogers sounds horrible on those songs but different enough from Freddie to avoid the sound alike and coverband jibes that Journey are frequently subjected to. Now what if JSS was given the frontman role in Queen instead of Rogers? Would there have been so much bitterness then? Jeff is amazing on that material matching Freddie note for note and bettering him live for consistancy in my opinion. Does he sound too similar to Freddie? Would Queen then be a cover band despite the inclusion of a performer far more suited to that material and a much better frontman tehn a short Northerner with the charisma of a 2x4? Of course not.

Journey is the money maker and the current members better damn well shake it for all its worth before the bottom falls off.


Well, for one example, the Beatles catalogue didn't fade. It kept its integrity. Paul, George, John & Ringo went their separate ways, and found their own versions of success. Had any one of those guys been replaced... the fan base would have crucified them.

Queen's situation is different...they didn't replace Freddy. Freddy died. I'd be happy with either Rogers or JSS for Queen. Both are brilliant. Michael H from INXS died. Not replaced. JD... not so hot. OK... good, but no where near the greatness they once had. At least JD is trying to carve his own nitch.

Ultimately, Neal chose to continue Journey instead of the risky unknown of doing something different. He still is. You said it. JOURNEY is a money maker, and that formula requires riding on PERRY's Coattails to continue to make money. Hence Arnel, and not JSS. If Neal wanted a name for himself... it should have been anything BUT Journey.
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Postby Journey/Survivor » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:45 am

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Wally_Hatchet wrote:SP is not Journey, he is their former singer.


As well as their former and only relevance.


ohsherrie,

I don't have anything against you. In fact I respect your loyalty to Steve Perry. I can't stress to you enough how huge of a fan I am of Steve Perry's singing and songwriting talent, and that outside of the music world I think he's probably a great guy!

But being totally honest, and I'm not saying this to insult you...But that really is a truly stupid and completely false thing to say. It's not even close to being true.

I know that Perry's your favorite member of Journey, and that's cool, but Journey are great even without Steve Perry. I personally rank Steve Perry as being the second greatest Rock vocalist of all time, on the other hand I rank Neal Schon as being the #1 greatest Rock guitarist of all time. I rank Steve Smith as being the #1 greatest all around drummer ever. Jonathan Cain and Gregg Rolie rank extremely high on the list of greatest keyboardists in Rock history. Aynsley Dunbar and Deen Castronovo rank extremely high on the list of greatest Rock drummers. And Ross Valory is a great bass player.

Neal schon and Gregg Rolie were in a Hall Of Fame band before anyone even knew who Steve Perry was.
The point is that Steve Perry was a major part of Journey, but he was only one part. I've talked to many people who are casual Journey fans that have heard the Augeri era of Journey and told me they think that the band aren't missing anything without Steve Perry.
I know many musicians who've told me that they just can't get into Journey because of Steve Perry, that they hate his voice.
Again, please don't take offense to this, it's not intended as an insult, but you don't strike as being a Journey fan, you strike me as being a Steve Perry fan. And if that's the case, then I don't know why you even bother arguing over Journey?
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Postby youkeepmewaiting » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:51 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
Wally_Hatchet wrote:SP is not Journey, he is their former singer.


As well as their former and only relevance.


ohsherrie,

I don't have anything against you. In fact I respect your loyalty to Steve Perry. I can't stress to you enough how huge of a fan I am of Steve Perry's singing and songwriting talent, and that outside of the music world I think he's probably a great guy!

But being totally honest, and I'm not saying this to insult you...But that really is a truly stupid and completely false thing to say. It's not even close to being true.

I know that Perry's your favorite member of Journey, and that's cool, but Journey are great even without Steve Perry. I personally rank Steve Perry as being the second greatest Rock vocalist of all time, on the other hand I rank Neal Schon as being the #1 greatest Rock guitarist of all time. I rank Steve Smith as being the #1 greatest all around drummer ever. Jonathan Cain and Gregg Rolie rank extremely high on the list of greatest keyboardists in Rock history. Aynsley Dunbar and Deen Castronovo rank extremely high on the list of greatest Rock drummers. And Ross Valory is a great bass player.

Neal schon and Gregg Rolie were in a Hall Of Fame band before anyone even knew who Steve Perry was.
The point is that Steve Perry was a major part of Journey, but he was only one part. I've talked to many people who are casual Journey fans that have heard the Augeri era of Journey and told me they think that the band aren't missing anything without Steve Perry.
I know many musicians who've told me that they just can't get into Journey because of Steve Perry, that they hate his voice.
Again, please don't take offense to this, it's not intended as an insult, but you don't strike as being a Journey fan, you strike me as being a Steve Perry fan. And if that's the case, then I don't know why you even bother arguing over Journey?


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Postby Red13JoePa » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:54 am

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Saint John wrote:This argument is absurd. Journey has always been an ever changing array of talent. Perry was obviously the brightest star, but Schon has proven to be the most consistent, most durable and most importantly the fucking most reliable.


Neal Schon without Steve Perry is like Joe Perry without Steven Tyler or Keith Richards without Mick Jagger: No hits.

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When's the last time the Stones had a "hit"?


I don't know where it charted but Rough Justice was all over rock radio, for a good while and Oh Not Not You Again and Streets Of Love had decent airplay in 2005-2006.
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:01 am

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I don't have anything against you. In fact I respect your loyalty to Steve Perry. I can't stress to you enough how huge of a fan I am of Steve Perry's singing and songwriting talent, and that outside of the music world I think he's probably a great guy!

But being totally honest, and I'm not saying this to insult you...But that really is a truly stupid and completely false thing to say. It's not even close to being true.


Well I guess that depends on your perspective on what is or isn't stupid and the word false doesn't even apply to something as subjective as this.

I know that Perry's your favorite member of Journey, and that's cool, but Journey are great even without Steve Perry.


Yeah and they have the gold records to prove it. :roll:

I personally rank Steve Perry as being the second greatest Rock vocalist of all time, on the other hand I rank Neal Schon as being the #1 greatest Rock guitarist of all time. I rank Steve Smith as being the #1 greatest all around drummer ever. Jonathan Cain and Gregg Rolie rank extremely high on the list of greatest keyboardists in Rock history. Aynsley Dunbar and Deen Castronovo rank extremely high on the list of greatest Rock drummers. And Ross Valory is a great bass player.


Your opinion of the various members of the band is as irrelevant as a band calling itself Journey without Steve Perry.

Neal schon and Gregg Rolie were in a Hall Of Fame band before anyone even knew who Steve Perry was.


Um, excuse me, but I don't think Neal made it into that induction. :wink:

The point is that Steve Perry was a major part of Journey, but he was only one part.


Yeah, the part that made them relevant.

I've talked to many people who are casual Journey fans that have heard the Augeri era of Journey and told me they think that the band aren't missing anything without Steve Perry.


I'm sure those 10 or 20 people were quite sincere too. :?

I know many musicians who've told me that they just can't get into Journey because of Steve Perry, that they hate his voice.
Again, please don't take offense to this, it's not intended as an insult,


Believe me, I don't give it enough credibility to take offense to it. :lol:

but you don't strike as being a Journey fan, you strike me as being a Steve Perry fan. And if that's the case, then I don't know why you even bother arguing over Journey?


Well then I don't know why you even bothered to waste either of our time with this post.
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Postby Journey/Survivor » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:03 am

STORY_TELLER wrote:Here's the interesting thing about all you guys who are arguing about this topic:

Apparently, Neal and Jon feel Perry was Journey or:

1- They would have replaced him back in 1987 to ride the big cash cow they already created. Instead, they went and formed Bad English which briefly rode the hair band wave but ultimately went nowhere.

2- When they finally decided to replace Perry, they've consistently sought out someone who sounds as much like him as possible (Chalfant, Augeri, Jeremey and now Arnel). To drive that point home, they even fired a guy who was well received by fans and critics alike, simply because he didn't sound ENOUGH like Steve Perry for them.


Seems to me the band members themselves believe Perry was Journey and there has to be a reason for that.


My opinion is that they hoped that Perry would eventually come back into Journey, and that's why they didn't continue on with a different singer in the band in the late 80's. I have read that they considered continuing on with Michael Bolton as Journey's lead singer in the late 80's, but that they changed their minds. It's understandable that they were hoping that Perry would rejoin at some time, he's a great singer, songwriter and was a big part of the band.

Bad English was becoming a hugely successful band after their first album and during their first tour. They even had a #1 song on the Billboard chart, something Journey never managed, although they came close with Open Arms at #2.
Anyone who would deny that Bad English were becoming huge hasn't done any research on the subject.

The second album would have almost certainly been huge, except that they broke-up before the album came out, and then the radio stations weren't willing to push the album very much.

I've read quotes from Neal and Jonathan at the time that their first Bad English album was out where they said that they honestly felt that Bad English was going to be bigger than Journey ever was. I doubt that that would have happened, but I think they would have come close.

Fact is that in 1996 Steve Perry screwed Journey over yet again, and the band rightfully decided that they had to continue on without him.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:11 am

Congratulations, Journey/Survivor.

For trying to reach out to and find a little common ground with a loon you got on the business end of maybe one of the most obnoxiosly condescending arrogantly perry-only elitist replies thrown in your face I've ever seen around here.

:lol:

All in the name of a quitter who wheezed and lyrically stumbled his way through a Journey set last 17 years ago.

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Postby Journey/Survivor » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:21 am

ohsherrie wrote:
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ohsherrie,

I don't have anything against you. In fact I respect your loyalty to Steve Perry. I can't stress to you enough how huge of a fan I am of Steve Perry's singing and songwriting talent, and that outside of the music world I think he's probably a great guy!

But being totally honest, and I'm not saying this to insult you...But that really is a truly stupid and completely false thing to say. It's not even close to being true.


Well I guess that depends on your perspective on what is or isn't stupid and the word false doesn't even apply to something as subjective as this.

I know that Perry's your favorite member of Journey, and that's cool, but Journey are great even without Steve Perry.


Yeah and they have the gold records to prove it. :roll:

I personally rank Steve Perry as being the second greatest Rock vocalist of all time, on the other hand I rank Neal Schon as being the #1 greatest Rock guitarist of all time. I rank Steve Smith as being the #1 greatest all around drummer ever. Jonathan Cain and Gregg Rolie rank extremely high on the list of greatest keyboardists in Rock history. Aynsley Dunbar and Deen Castronovo rank extremely high on the list of greatest Rock drummers. And Ross Valory is a great bass player.


Your opinion of the various members of the band is as irrelevant as a band calling itself Journey without Steve Perry.

Neal schon and Gregg Rolie were in a Hall Of Fame band before anyone even knew who Steve Perry was.


Um, excuse me, but I don't think Neal made it into that induction. :wink:

The point is that Steve Perry was a major part of Journey, but he was only one part.


Yeah, the part that made them relevant.

I've talked to many people who are casual Journey fans that have heard the Augeri era of Journey and told me they think that the band aren't missing anything without Steve Perry.


I'm sure those 10 or 20 people were quite sincere too. :?

I know many musicians who've told me that they just can't get into Journey because of Steve Perry, that they hate his voice.
Again, please don't take offense to this, it's not intended as an insult,


Believe me, I don't give it enough credibility to take offense to it. :lol:

but you don't strike as being a Journey fan, you strike me as being a Steve Perry fan. And if that's the case, then I don't know why you even bother arguing over Journey?


Well then I don't know why you even bothered to waste either of our time with this post.


Um, seriously, I tried to do my best to not offend you, but I guess your not capable of being honest and objective.

I think that besides loving Steve Perry's singing you must have the worlds biggest crush on the guy and can't see clearly. I'm still not saying that to insult you, but that's my honest opinion. You don't seem to realize how foolish you make yourself look when you claim that Journey are irrelevant without Steve Perry. Truth be told, I'm sure that I'm as big of a fan of Steve Perry's talent as you are, but I also know that the guy has fucked over the rest of the band on several occasions, and that they have every damn right in the world to continue on without him. If you don't want to support them, then don't. But you need a dose of reality, Journey are still great even without Steve Perry. In fact they were great before Steve Perry, just in a different style.
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:34 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:Um, seriously, I tried to do my best to not offend you, but I guess your not capable of being honest and objective.


I was completely honest and objective. It sounds to me like you have some kind of unnatural fixation going on. I hope you get help for that.
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:35 am

Being a gold record means alot about the quality of the album. :roll:
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Postby annie89509 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:38 am

A "doze of reality" works both ways, it would seem. True: there was a Journey before Steve Perry and a Journey after Steve Perry. But, "Journey was great before Steve Perry and great after Steve Perry" is only an opinion -- and I would venture it is in the minority.

And some posters like Red13 just can't seem to refrain from slinging the insults toward the man. Oh, right, I don't "get" his sense of humor :roll: .
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:40 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:You don't seem to realize how foolish you make yourself look when you claim that Journey are irrelevant without Steve Perry.


Journey has been largely irrelevant without Steve Perry. They came close to being relevant with JSS in the band but they blew that chance.

Truth be told, I'm sure that I'm as big of a fan of Steve Perry's talent as you are, but I also know that the guy has fucked over the rest of the band on several occasions, and that they have every damn right in the world to continue on without him.


Absolutely correct.

If you don't want to support them, then don't. But you need a dose of reality, Journey are still great even without Steve Perry. In fact they were great before Steve Perry, just in a different style.


I agree with that, too. However, we may not even have known about them had Steve Perry never entered the picture.
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Postby Journey/Survivor » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:40 am

ohsherrie wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:Um, seriously, I tried to do my best to not offend you, but I guess your not capable of being honest and objective.


I was completely honest and objective. It sounds to me like you have some kind of unnatural fixation going on. I hope you get help for that.
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Whatever the fuck you mean by that???

Remember, their only musicians, not God. Great musicians, but not God. And that includes Steve Perry. :roll:
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:54 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:
Whatever the fuck you mean by that???

Remember, their only musicians, not God. Great musicians, but not God. And that includes Steve Perry. :roll:


Maybe you need to get some professional help with taking your own advice. :shock:
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Postby Journey/Survivor » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:05 pm

ohsherrie wrote:
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Whatever the fuck you mean by that???

Remember, their only musicians, not God. Great musicians, but not God. And that includes Steve Perry. :roll:


Maybe you need to get some professional help with taking your own advice. :shock:


Seriously, what the hell are you talking about???

Look, we can both stay on here all night insulting one another back and forth, but that would be wasting both of our time.

I think anyone who reads my first post that I directed toward you will see that I was not being insulting. But because I don't bow down at the feet of Saint Steve Perry now you want to trade insults back and forth. :roll:

Why don't you and I both move on???
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:16 pm

Journey/Survivor wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:
Whatever the fuck you mean by that???

Remember, their only musicians, not God. Great musicians, but not God. And that includes Steve Perry. :roll:


Maybe you need to get some professional help with taking your own advice. :shock:


Seriously, what the hell are you talking about???

Look, we can both stay on here all night insulting one another back and forth, but that would be wasting both of our time.

I think anyone who reads my first post that I directed toward you will see that I was not being insulting. But because I don't bow down at the feet of Saint Steve Perry now you want to trade insults back and forth. :roll:

Why don't you and I both move on???


Image Um, uh, yeah, good idea, or whatever. :roll:
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Postby youkeepmewaiting » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:21 pm

conversationpc wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:You don't seem to realize how foolish you make yourself look when you claim that Journey are irrelevant without Steve Perry.


Journey has been largely irrelevant without Steve Perry. They came close to being relevant with JSS in the band but they blew that chance.


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But did they though? Where big record companies banging down the door to get a slice of this new Journey?

Dont get me wrong, i loved it, i thought JSS was great. But i see how JSS would of got Journey back into the charts. And thats nothing against JSS, i dont believe Journey will be able to be truly relevent again.

I still support the band 100% however
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:31 pm

youkeepmewaiting wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:You don't seem to realize how foolish you make yourself look when you claim that Journey are irrelevant without Steve Perry.


Journey has been largely irrelevant without Steve Perry. They came close to being relevant with JSS in the band but they blew that chance.


.



But did they though? Where big record companies banging down the door to get a slice of this new Journey?



I don't know how many or how big, but there was absolutely interest. I guess the interest just didn't involve as much easy cash as Walmart. Since it's more about cash than music it was a no-brainer for them.
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Postby youkeepmewaiting » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:33 pm

ohsherrie wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:You don't seem to realize how foolish you make yourself look when you claim that Journey are irrelevant without Steve Perry.


Journey has been largely irrelevant without Steve Perry. They came close to being relevant with JSS in the band but they blew that chance.


.



But did they though? Where big record companies banging down the door to get a slice of this new Journey?



I don't knowhow many or how big, but there was absolutely interest. I guess the interest just didn't involve as much easy cash as Walmart. Since it's more about cash than music it was a no-brainer for them.


This is what i hear, but ivce seen no proof. There seems to be much more media interest in Arnel than JSS, not much - but still more
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Postby Journey/Survivor » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:34 pm

youkeepmewaiting wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:You don't seem to realize how foolish you make yourself look when you claim that Journey are irrelevant without Steve Perry.


Journey has been largely irrelevant without Steve Perry. They came close to being relevant with JSS in the band but they blew that chance.


.



But did they though? Where big record companies banging down the door to get a slice of this new Journey?

Dont get me wrong, i loved it, i thought JSS was great. But i see how JSS would of got Journey back into the charts. And thats nothing against JSS, i dont believe Journey will be able to be truly relevent again.

I still support the band 100% however


Like I said in another post, Journey are never going to be as huge as they were back in the 80's, and that's the case even if Steve Perry rejoined the band. but they are still very relevant, and that's not going to change. I think they will be more successful with Arnel than they would have been with JSS for two reasons, Arnel sounds more like Perry than JSS does, and Arnel will probably have a big Asian following that he will bring into the band.

But I'll guarantee you this, Van Halen aren't going to be as big this time around as they were in the 80's, and that's even with DLR in the band. Same would go for them with Sammy, who I much prefer on vocals.

It's the state of the music world, crap is king right now.
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Re: Should Journey Have Changed Their Name?

Postby Enigma869 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:36 pm

Voyager wrote:I realize that Van Halen didn't change their name, but they did change their sound. Sammy Hagar did not try to re-record the David Lee Roth era songs, nor did he even sing but two or three of them in concert. Van Halen did not try to live on the successes of the David Lee Roth. In contrast, Journey has lived on the successes of the Steve Perry era. They haven't made any hits before or after Steve Perry's involvement.




I've heard the Van Halen example before, and it's simply not a good one! For starters, David Lee Roth was a VERY average singer, and Hagar was a superior singer, so in my opinion, the band certainly didn't take a step back with Roth's departure from the band. Also, let us not forget that in spite of Van Halen's VERY long history with Roth, their biggest selling album was "5150", their first with Hagar! The final and most important point is that I'm pretty sure that both guys who actually have the last name of Van Halen were still in the band! Regardless of what people say, the people who are pro Perry don't consider the guys calling themselves Journey the same band, while the pro Schon people would still consider it Journey if William Hung was the lead singer!


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Postby Journey/Survivor » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:37 pm

youkeepmewaiting wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:You don't seem to realize how foolish you make yourself look when you claim that Journey are irrelevant without Steve Perry.


Journey has been largely irrelevant without Steve Perry. They came close to being relevant with JSS in the band but they blew that chance.


.



But did they though? Where big record companies banging down the door to get a slice of this new Journey?



I don't knowhow many or how big, but there was absolutely interest. I guess the interest just didn't involve as much easy cash as Walmart. Since it's more about cash than music it was a no-brainer for them.


This is what i hear, but ivce seen no proof. There seems to be much more media interest in Arnel than JSS, not much - but still more


I agree with you. And I do like JSS's singing overall. I loved Soul SirkUS.
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Re: Should Journey Have Changed Their Name?

Postby Rick » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:38 pm

Enigma869 wrote:while the pro Schon people would still consider it Journey if William Hung was the lead singer!


:lol: :lol:
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Re: Should Journey Have Changed Their Name?

Postby MarcelJordan » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:40 pm

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Voyager wrote:I realize that Van Halen didn't change their name, but they did change their sound. Sammy Hagar did not try to re-record the David Lee Roth era songs, nor did he even sing but two or three of them in concert. Van Halen did not try to live on the successes of the David Lee Roth. In contrast, Journey has lived on the successes of the Steve Perry era. They haven't made any hits before or after Steve Perry's involvement.




I've heard the Van Halen example before, and it's simply not a good one! For starters, David Lee Roth was a VERY average singer, and Hagar was a superior singer, so in my opinion, the band certainly didn't take a step back with Roth's departure from the band. Also, let us not forget that in spite of Van Halen's VERY long history with Roth, their biggest selling album was "5150", their first with Hagar! The final and most important point is that I'm pretty sure that both guys who actually have the last name of Van Halen were still in the band! Regardless of what people say, the people who are pro Perry don't consider the guys calling themselves Journey the same band, while the pro Schon people would still consider it Journey if William Hung was the lead singer!


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Pro-Schon here! :lol:

Tongue in cheek not withstanding, Schon would unlikely choose WH.
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Postby youkeepmewaiting » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:42 pm

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youkeepmewaiting wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:You don't seem to realize how foolish you make yourself look when you claim that Journey are irrelevant without Steve Perry.


Journey has been largely irrelevant without Steve Perry. They came close to being relevant with JSS in the band but they blew that chance.


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But did they though? Where big record companies banging down the door to get a slice of this new Journey?

Dont get me wrong, i loved it, i thought JSS was great. But i see how JSS would of got Journey back into the charts. And thats nothing against JSS, i dont believe Journey will be able to be truly relevent again.

I still support the band 100% however


Like I said in another post, Journey are never going to be as huge as they were back in the 80's, and that's the case even if Steve Perry rejoined the band. but they are still very relevant, and that's not going to change. I think they will be more successful with Arnel than they would have been with JSS for two reasons, Arnel sounds more like Perry than JSS does, and Arnel will probably have a big Asian following that he will bring into the band.

But I'll guarantee you this, Van Halen aren't going to be as big this time around as they were in the 80's, and that's even with DLR in the band. Same would go for them with Sammy, who I much prefer on vocals.

It's the state of the music world, crap is king right now.


Yes, i was more hope'n for a Sammy-Van Halen renion more so than with Diamond Dave. Prefer the second stage of VH a million times more..even if half the songs with Sammy contained the word "love" :lol:
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Re: Should Journey Have Changed Their Name?

Postby Journey/Survivor » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:42 pm

Rick wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:while the pro Schon people would still consider it Journey if William Hung was the lead singer!


:lol: :lol:


I would say it was Journey, only with a crappy singer, and that Neal and Jonathan must have been stoned when they hired him. :lol:

Difference is that Augeri and Arnel are very similar sounding to Perry, and are great singers. William Hung is famous for being a horrible singer.
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Postby Journey/Survivor » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:44 pm

youkeepmewaiting wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:You don't seem to realize how foolish you make yourself look when you claim that Journey are irrelevant without Steve Perry.


Journey has been largely irrelevant without Steve Perry. They came close to being relevant with JSS in the band but they blew that chance.


.



But did they though? Where big record companies banging down the door to get a slice of this new Journey?

Dont get me wrong, i loved it, i thought JSS was great. But i see how JSS would of got Journey back into the charts. And thats nothing against JSS, i dont believe Journey will be able to be truly relevent again.

I still support the band 100% however


Like I said in another post, Journey are never going to be as huge as they were back in the 80's, and that's the case even if Steve Perry rejoined the band. but they are still very relevant, and that's not going to change. I think they will be more successful with Arnel than they would have been with JSS for two reasons, Arnel sounds more like Perry than JSS does, and Arnel will probably have a big Asian following that he will bring into the band.

But I'll guarantee you this, Van Halen aren't going to be as big this time around as they were in the 80's, and that's even with DLR in the band. Same would go for them with Sammy, who I much prefer on vocals.

It's the state of the music world, crap is king right now.


Yes, i was more hope'n for a Sammy-Van Halen renion more so than with Diamond Dave. Prefer the second stage of VH a million times more..even if half the songs with Sammy contained the word "love" :lol:


Yeah, IMO Sammy is a much, much better singer.
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Re: Should Journey Have Changed Their Name?

Postby ohsherrie » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:45 pm

Rick wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:while the pro Schon people would still consider it Journey if William Hung was the lead singer!


:lol: :lol:


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Postby youkeepmewaiting » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:46 pm

Journey/Survivor wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:You don't seem to realize how foolish you make yourself look when you claim that Journey are irrelevant without Steve Perry.


Journey has been largely irrelevant without Steve Perry. They came close to being relevant with JSS in the band but they blew that chance.


.



But did they though? Where big record companies banging down the door to get a slice of this new Journey?

Dont get me wrong, i loved it, i thought JSS was great. But i see how JSS would of got Journey back into the charts. And thats nothing against JSS, i dont believe Journey will be able to be truly relevent again.

I still support the band 100% however


Like I said in another post, Journey are never going to be as huge as they were back in the 80's, and that's the case even if Steve Perry rejoined the band. but they are still very relevant, and that's not going to change. I think they will be more successful with Arnel than they would have been with JSS for two reasons, Arnel sounds more like Perry than JSS does, and Arnel will probably have a big Asian following that he will bring into the band.

But I'll guarantee you this, Van Halen aren't going to be as big this time around as they were in the 80's, and that's even with DLR in the band. Same would go for them with Sammy, who I much prefer on vocals.

It's the state of the music world, crap is king right now.


Yes, i was more hope'n for a Sammy-Van Halen renion more so than with Diamond Dave. Prefer the second stage of VH a million times more..even if half the songs with Sammy contained the word "love" :lol:


Yeah, IMO Sammy is a much, much better singer.


I'd like to think alot of people would agree that Sammy is the much better singing. Just people seem to have a thing for the glitz of the DLR era..not so much me though
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Re: Should Journey Have Changed Their Name?

Postby conversationpc » Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:00 pm

Enigma869 wrote:I've heard the Van Halen example before, and it's simply not a good one! For starters, David Lee Roth was a VERY average singer, and Hagar was a superior singer, so in my opinion, the band certainly didn't take a step back with Roth's departure from the band. Also, let us not forget that in spite of Van Halen's VERY long history with Roth, their biggest selling album was "5150", their first with Hagar! The final and most important point is that I'm pretty sure that both guys who actually have the last name of Van Halen were still in the band!


"5150" was their first #1 album but it wasn't their biggest seller. Their debut remains their best seller, followed by "1984". Looking at these, I was surprised "Fair Warning" has only sold 2 million. It's my favorite, next to the debut and possibly "1984".

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Van Halen = Diamond (10x Platinum)
Van Halen II = 5x
Women and Children First = 3x
Fair Warning = 2x
Diver Down = 4X
1984 = Diamond (10x platinum)
5150 = 6x
OU812 = 4x
For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge = 3x
Live: Right Here, Right Now = 2x
Balance = 3x
Best Of Volume 1 = 3x
Van Halen III = Gold
Best of Both Worlds = 1x
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