Should Journey Have Changed Their Name?

[Strange Medicine]

Oh, joy.

Let it be known that most of the insanely biased pro-Perry arguments are completely without merit. To credit Steve Perry with as being the sole reason for Journey's success is absurd and baseless, if we went by album sales, Perry's debute with Journey -- 1978's Infinity -- doesn't even begin to compare to the Jonathan Cain's debute with Journey for 1981's Escape album. It has been offered that Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain cannot be solely credited with the fame given to them by Bad English's number one hit "When I See You Smile", yet again, we can associate that same logic to Journey's hightest charting song, "Open Arms". Penned both by Perry and Cain, numerous sources have verified the fact that Cain wrote the vast majority of the song, with Perry only adding "finishing touches". Ergo, I suppose we can credit the deaded Jonathan Cain for their success.

Using numerous trains of logic, people can make arguments pro-Perry, pro-Schon, and pro-Cain ad infinitum, and to use much of the flawed logic that is expanding like some online epidemic, we can completely isolate the talents of Gregg Rolie, Steve Smith, Aynsley Dunbar, and others.

The simple fact is that Journey did not begin with Steve Perry, and everyone here knows that. Of course, they weren't as successful prior to his arrival (no pun intended). But, to be fair, they were also created as a vessel for Neal Schon's prodigious guitar-work, whereas styles shifted to bands fronted by identifiable lead singers. When Cain joined, the style changed once again to the popular, mainstream functions of the early '80s. You can credit pure circumstance to Journey's -- or any band's -- success, not just the talent of which it is made up. Likewise, Journey was also Perry's vessel for success, as prior to the call from Herbie Herbert, Perry was on the razor's edge of giving up rock alltogether, and as has been pointed out, none of Perry's solo albums begin to compare to Journey's collaborative works.

So, no. Journey should not have changed the name. No part is greater than a whole. As much as I believe Steve Perry is the most talented of all rock's vocalists, I do believe that any incarnation of Journey > Steve Perry.

[Enigma869]

I've heard the Van Halen example before, and it's simply not a good one! For starters, David Lee Roth was a VERY average singer, and Hagar was a superior singer, so in my opinion, the band certainly didn't take a step back with Roth's departure from the band. Also, let us not forget that in spite of Van Halen's VERY long history with Roth, their biggest selling album was "5150", their first with Hagar! The final and most important point is that I'm pretty sure that both guys who actually have the last name of Van Halen were still in the band!

"5150" was their first #1 album but it wasn't their biggest seller. Their debut remains their best seller, followed by "1984". Looking at these, I was surprised "Fair Warning" has only sold 2 million. It's my favorite, next to the debut and possibly "1984".

From riaa.com...

Van Halen = Diamond (10x Platinum)
Van Halen II = 5x
Women and Children First = 3x
Fair Warning = 2x
Diver Down = 4X
1984 = Diamond (10x platinum)
5150 = 6x
OU812 = 4x
For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge = 3x
Live: Right Here, Right Now = 2x
Balance = 3x
Best Of Volume 1 = 3x
Van Halen III = Gold
Best of Both Worlds = 1x

My mistake. First number one album with a new lead singer is nothing to sneeze at! I think that I can safely say that has probably never happened before, and will never happen again! Hagar could flat out sing, and "5150" was SUPERB!


John from Boston

[ohsherrie]

Let it be known that most of the insanely biased pro-Perry arguments are completely without merit.

According to who, you?

Let it be know that this asshole calling himself Strange Medicine is completely without merit.

[Strange Medicine]

Let it be known that most of the insanely biased pro-Perry arguments are completely without merit.

According to who, you?

Let it be know that this asshole calling himself Strange Medicine is completely without merit.

Committing ad hominem is bad enough, but timetried insults like "asshole" for a teenager, especially. Try something original. Or, better yet, since I am without merit, as you say, why don't you debunk my argument, sport?

Or are you used to spouting off opinions without supporting a damn word of it?

[Journey/Survivor]

Oh, joy.

Let it be known that most of the insanely biased pro-Perry arguments are completely without merit. To credit Steve Perry with as being the sole reason for Journey's success is absurd and baseless, if we went by album sales, Perry's debute with Journey -- 1978's Infinity -- doesn't even begin to compare to the Jonathan Cain's debute with Journey for 1981's Escape album. It has been offered that Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain cannot be solely credited with the fame given to them by Bad English's number one hit "When I See You Smile", yet again, we can associate that same logic to Journey's hightest charting song, "Open Arms". Penned both by Perry and Cain, numerous sources have verified the fact that Cain wrote the vast majority of the song, with Perry only adding "finishing touches". Ergo, I suppose we can credit the deaded Jonathan Cain for their success.

Using numerous trains of logic, people can make arguments pro-Perry, pro-Schon, and pro-Cain ad infinitum, and to use much of the flawed logic that is expanding like some online epidemic, we can completely isolate the talents of Gregg Rolie, Steve Smith, Aynsley Dunbar, and others.

The simple fact is that Journey did not begin with Steve Perry, and everyone here knows that. Of course, they weren't as successful prior to his arrival (no pun intended). But, to be fair, they were also created as a vessel for Neal Schon's prodigious guitar-work, whereas styles shifted to bands fronted by identifiable lead singers. When Cain joined, the style changed once again to the popular, mainstream functions of the early '80s. You can credit pure circumstance to Journey's -- or any band's -- success, not just the talent of which it is made up. Likewise, Journey was also Perry's vessel for success, as prior to the call from Herbie Herbert, Perry was on the razor's edge of giving up rock alltogether, and as has been pointed out, none of Perry's solo albums begin to compare to Journey's collaborative works.

So, no. Journey should not have changed the name. No part is greater than a whole. As much as I believe Steve Perry is the most talented of all rock's vocalists, I do believe that any incarnation of Journey > Steve Perry.

For the record, you made a very good and well thought out post. I hate it when people state one thing as being fact but give no reasons as to why it's supposedly true. But YOU did not do that. YOU were very rational in your post. Not everyone does that.

[Journey/Survivor]

Let it be known that most of the insanely biased pro-Perry arguments are completely without merit.

According to who, you?

Let it be know that this asshole calling himself Strange Medicine is completely without merit.

Committing ad hominem is bad enough, but timetried insults like "asshole" for a teenager, especially. Try something original. Or, better yet, since I am without merit, as you say, why don't you debunk my argument, sport?

Or are you used to spouting off opinions without supporting a damn word of it?

Hey, I made my last post before I saw your last one.

[Strange Medicine]

For the record, you made a very good and well thought out post. I hate it when people state one thing as being fact but give no reasons as to why it's supposedly true. But YOU did not do that. YOU were very rational in your post. Not everyone does that.

The sentiments are both welcome and appreciated.

[Red13JoePa]

Let it be known that most of the insanely biased pro-Perry arguments are completely without merit.

It be known.

[Strange Medicine]

Let it be known that most of the insanely biased pro-Perry arguments are completely without merit.

It be known.

Preach it, brother!

[Red13JoePa]

Have been.

Since my day 1 here.

To say nothing of the fact of the way he systematically internally sabotaged that band beginning in 1987 (some, Herbie among the rest, say it began in '83).

Good singer, yes.
Love his work in Journey, absolutely.
Appreciate his solo work (recorded in the midst of "burnout"), yes.

[Strange Medicine]

I have a soft spot for FtLoSM.

[Enigma869]

When's the last time the Stones had a "hit"?

Probably "Start Me Up", which was a gazillion years ago! God bless Mick Jagger for making a career out of ZERO talent! I'll NEVER get the Rolling Stones thing, AT ALL! That fucking guy simply can't sing, and yet fronts a band who is considered "legendary"!


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

Neal Schon was also nominated for a Grammy as a solo artist and was part of another band (Bad English) that scored a number 1 hit and a top 5 hit. For the record, that's one more number one hit than Steve Perry had. Again, advantage Schon.

Dude...are you fucking nuts? Wasn't Bad English's number one hit the beyond cheesy "When I See You Smile"??? You're giving Schon the credit for that? I know that song well, and I'm quite sure that Schon probably didn't even pick up the guitar in that tune! It wasn't exactly a song with a whole lot of guitar riffs in it! Number one songs just seem to happen, and don't mean much. Hell, Journey's highest charting single was "Open Arms", which is one the worst songs in their entire catalog!


John from Boston

[nutz4Neal]

Stupid question.
Absolutely not.

[Red13JoePa]

Johnno you can't deny BE credit for a hit w/ When I See You Smile b/c it's corny when one of your major platforms for blasting perryless Journey is "not enough hits."
A lot of the hits Journey had the in the classic era were exactly like WISYS.

[Saint John]

Neal Schon was also nominated for a Grammy as a solo artist and was part of another band (Bad English) that scored a number 1 hit and a top 5 hit. For the record, that's one more number one hit than Steve Perry had. Again, advantage Schon.

Dude...are you fucking nuts? Wasn't Bad English's number one hit the beyond cheesy "When I See You Smile"??? You're giving Schon the credit for that? I know that song well, and I'm quite sure that Schon probably didn't even pick up the guitar in that tune! It wasn't exactly a song with a whole lot of guitar riffs in it! Number one songs just seem to happen, and don't mean much. Hell, Journey's highest charting single was "Open Arms", which is one the worst songs in their entire catalog!


John from Boston

John, look at the context that post was written in. The poster basically implied that Schon was nothing without Perry and I was simply refuting that contention. For the record, I think that song blows.

[Voyager]

Let it be known that most of the insanely biased pro-Perry arguments are completely without merit.

Whew! Thanks for clearing that up for us. It's good to know that we have an authority here on the forum to clear up any insanely-based arguments for us. We thought that we were going to be left alone to think for ourselves. What a scary thought!

[Enigma869]

Johnno you can't deny BE credit for a hit w/ When I See You Smile b/c it's corny when one of your major platforms for blasting perryless Journey is "not enough hits."
A lot of the hits Journey had the in the classic era were exactly like WISYS.

I actually am not denying them their one hit, AT ALL. I simply was telling SJ he was nuts for using that example as Neal Schon having this meteoric success without Perry! "When I See You Smile" is the last tune I'd tout Neal Schon for (and Schon would probably agree)! Also, for the record, I've never "blasted" the Perryless Journey for a lack of hits! It's their lack of direction that has always bothered me. Listen...Perry was Perry! The guy isn't going to be replicated, regardless of how many times Schon and Company attempt to "clone" the guy! I personally moved on from Perry 10 years ago! The guy doesn't want to sing and probably can't sing any longer, and I certainly have no problem with that. The problem I have is when people take shots at the guy and minimize his contributions to Journey.

Regardless of which side of the Journey argument you fall on, it's HIGHLY probable that Journey would be a complete unknown band, if Perry hadn't been brought into the band. I definitely agree that the magic that was Journey was an undeniable chemistry between Perry, Cain, and Schon. I have always thought that Cain and Schon were brilliant musicians. I also think Cain's songwriting was HUGELY instrumental in the success of Journey. I simply believe that Journey's sound was HEAVILY based upon the soaring vocals of Perry. Regardless of what some of the Perry detractors have to say about him, the guy was an IMMENSELY talented vocalist, who was unmatched by anyone, in my opinion! The other thing I don't agree with is some of the posts that say Journey had this identifiable sound, before Perry joined the band. By EVERYONE'S account, this band COMPLETELY changed musical directions, when Perry was brought into the band. Hell, watch Behind The Music, and listen to Neal. He makes it pretty clear that he didn't exactly embrace the music they began playing! While I would never minimize Neal's immense contribution to the succcess of Journey, I think it's a bit silly for anyone to suggest that Neal was the catalyst for the direction that Journey moved in, with Perry as their frontman. Again, it's VERY well documented that he wasn't happy about. I think Neal made it quite clear on BTM that Journey is simply the way he pays his bills and supports his family. I personally don't think he was ever as connected to these songs as Cain and Perry were.


John from Boston

[Journey/Survivor]

Johnno you can't deny BE credit for a hit w/ When I See You Smile b/c it's corny when one of your major platforms for blasting perryless Journey is "not enough hits."
A lot of the hits Journey had the in the classic era were exactly like WISYS.

I actually am not denying them their one hit, AT ALL.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what your saying here? Are you saying that Bad English only had 1 hit?

Bad English on the American charts...

"When I see You Smile" #1 on Billboard Hot 100, #10 on U.S Mainstream Rock chart, #11 on A.C chart
"Price Of Love" #5 on Billboard Hot 100, #30 on U.S Mainstream Rock chart
"Possession" #21 on Billboard Hot 100
"Straight To Your Heart" #42 on Billboard Hot 100, #9 on U.S Mainstream Rock chart
"Forget Me Not" #45 on Billboard Hot 100, #2 on U.S. Mainstream Rock chart
"Heaven Is A 4 Letter Word" #66 on Billboard Hot 100, #12 on U.S. Mainstream Rock chart

So two top 5 hits, just missed the top 20 with a third song, and just missed the top 40 with 2 other songs.

[mikemarrs]

which is better the storm debut or bad english debut?

[Journey/Survivor]

which is better the storm debut or bad english debut?

Well, IMO Bad English's, but not by much.

[mikemarrs]

I've heard the Van Halen example before, and it's simply not a good one! For starters, David Lee Roth was a VERY average singer, and Hagar was a superior singer, so in my opinion, the band certainly didn't take a step back with Roth's departure from the band. Also, let us not forget that in spite of Van Halen's VERY long history with Roth, their biggest selling album was "5150", their first with Hagar! The final and most important point is that I'm pretty sure that both guys who actually have the last name of Van Halen were still in the band!

"5150" was their first #1 album but it wasn't their biggest seller. Their debut remains their best seller, followed by "1984". Looking at these, I was surprised "Fair Warning" has only sold 2 million. It's my favorite, next to the debut and possibly "1984".

From riaa.com...

Van Halen = Diamond (10x Platinum)
Van Halen II = 5x
Women and Children First = 3x
Fair Warning = 2x
Diver Down = 4X
1984 = Diamond (10x platinum)
5150 = 6x
OU812 = 4x
For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge = 3x
Live: Right Here, Right Now = 2x
Balance = 3x
Best Of Volume 1 = 3x
Van Halen III = Gold
Best of Both Worlds = 1x

My mistake. First number one album with a new lead singer is nothing to sneeze at! I think that I can safely say that has probably never happened before, and will never happen again! Hagar could flat out sing, and "5150" was SUPERB!


John from Boston

i think van halen,pink floyd and the eagles are the only bands in history to have two or more ten million selling albums.

van halen did it with debut and 1984

pink floyd did it with dark side of the moon and the wall

the eagles did with greatest hits 1971-1975 and hotel california.

[ttango1]

Or are you used to spouting off opinions without supporting a damn word of it?

That pretty much covers it.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Doesn't mean they ain't entitled to have one, but it's true that some just shit out more than others.

Journey was already a known quantity in the progressive rock era. Once the shift moved towards strong lead singers, they found a gifted voice in a chicken farm. That guys is hella talented and his contributions are pivotal, but so are the contributions of others. The reason Journey isn't as big as they used to be is simply because like everything else in today's society, THINGS CHANGE. Familiarity breeds some form of contempt. It's a fine line between reminiscing or being obsessive-compulsive about things. As we can all plainly read, there are OCD people here as well as other places. Using emoticons, giant or regular doesn't really mean you're saying anything, it just means that you think that picture conveys something that you think will illicit a response. It's something, but it ain't a complete picture.

Just don't let anyone tell you what to do. Just format your own opinion and roll with that. That way, you're ok with however it turns out because like Frank Sinatra...you did it your way.

PS Depending on if you read the Herbie Interview, BTM was literally a Steve Perry Propaganda video because like everything else, according to Herbie, SP had full control over the editing of what was finally released. So, going by that, it's quite possible that Neal said what he said, because he couldn't say what he really wanted to say.

[Voyager]

Confucius say: It's all good.

[FinnFreak]

How about Marillion? A complete change of musical direction followed a lead singer change much as it did with Genesis.

True. Steve Hogarth sounds nothing like Fish - and that's a good thing, IMO.

Still, many fans argue that Marillion should've changed their name... as many consider Fish's voice a signature element in the Marillion sound...

Doesn't bother me one bit: I'm a fan of both camps. (even if Marillion doesn't perform their old material live anymore) Hogarth has his own remarkable voice.


So, is Journey doing a mistake with hiring a new vocalist who has a quality voice to do justice to those songs Perry previously did..?

I'd say the answer lies with how strong the new songs will be - otherwise in concert: it's just karaoke of the classics. But damn good karaoke.


John -

[finalfight]

When the vocals are more than a key element to the band's notariety, you run a risk. Van Halen was not completely dependant on vocals, nor was Queen. Both found success with other singers, but then again, both had rock GODS as their guitarists. Schon doesn't rank up there, as much as he'd LIKE to... he doesn't. I'm not saying he's not brilliant...he is. But is NOT regarded that high up the rock god ladder (meaning public & industry opinions... if you had to rank them all, and not just you, cause we all know which way you'd vote, but say, everyone in your city, Neal wouldn't make the list of the top 10. I'd venture to say Eddie Van Halen and Brian May would -- http://www.votenumber1.com/vote1rockguitarist.html for an example. Neal was the first voted off. On the lead singer poll, even tho Perry hasn't sung in 10 years... he's #2. That's rock god status).

Should they have changed their name? I for one, think they should have. Neal could have had the total freedom to do whatever he wanted, have the band as all HIS, which is what he wanted it to be about to begin with. As long as it had the name JOURNEY,... it will forever be compared to the Steve Perry version of the band. Shoot, who was it that heard a DJ who STILL thought Perry was in the band....The fan base would forever be split apart, constantly comparing. Using another name, it would be brand new, and his success would be made or broken by his own merit, and not because it failed to meet expectations based upon past experience. Neal took the easy money way out. He knew he could make money playing the songs that worked, and he'd rather have the money than risk being out there with something new. Shit...they got rid of JSS...and with HIM they could have had NEW. I don't think Neal's into risk. JMHO.

And what would happen to the Journey catalogue and name, would you rather it was left to deteriorate along with Perry's vocal ability? Schon tried the new approach at least twice with questionable success. Bad English and the so called new approach with JSS in Soul Sirkus. It just didn't wash with the majority. I am sure Schon would love to have massive success outside of Journey so he could step out of Steve Perry's shadow once and for all but it appears that it is not going to happen so better not to derail the money train.

As for that ridiculous best of 'whatever' poll - there is a dedicated thread on this very board that has kept Perry in contention. Without that he would have dropped off it ages ago. Want proof go check the position of Don't Stop Believin' on the best rock song poll...Seems that everyone so far forgot to vote on that one they did with Schon as best guitarist. No rock god status merely a handful of dedicated fans who dutifully vote as often as they are able.

The remainder of the band have done enough over the past decade to be called Journey. In fact this whole thread is ten years too late. Seriously no-one seemed this pissed when Paul Rogers took on the frontman role in Queen and that could really be considered messing with a legacy. In fact fans appeared to be pleased that they would get a chance to see the band play once again and many considered the move in some ways respectful. To my ears Rogers sounds horrible on those songs but different enough from Freddie to avoid the sound alike and coverband jibes that Journey are frequently subjected to. Now what if JSS was given the frontman role in Queen instead of Rogers? Would there have been so much bitterness then? Jeff is amazing on that material matching Freddie note for note and bettering him live for consistancy in my opinion. Does he sound too similar to Freddie? Would Queen then be a cover band despite the inclusion of a performer far more suited to that material and a much better frontman tehn a short Northerner with the charisma of a 2x4? Of course not.

Journey is the money maker and the current members better damn well shake it for all its worth before the bottom falls off.

Well, for one example, the Beatles catalogue didn't fade. It kept its integrity. Paul, George, John & Ringo went their separate ways, and found their own versions of success. Had any one of those guys been replaced... the fan base would have crucified them.

Queen's situation is different...they didn't replace Freddy. Freddy died. I'd be happy with either Rogers or JSS for Queen. Both are brilliant. Michael H from INXS died. Not replaced. JD... not so hot. OK... good, but no where near the greatness they once had. At least JD is trying to carve his own nitch.

Ultimately, Neal chose to continue Journey instead of the risky unknown of doing something different. He still is. You said it. JOURNEY is a money maker, and that formula requires riding on PERRY's Coattails to continue to make money. Hence Arnel, and not JSS. If Neal wanted a name for himself... it should have been anything BUT Journey.

So you think opinions would differ if Steve Perry was dead? I don't. There would be the same old folks bemoaning the fact that Journey is pissing on the legacy and SPs memory, nothing would change. And why is Schon singled out as the one riding the coat tails. There are other members in the band.
What about the collective contribution? You can't honestly believe that Perry was Journey and that no-one else had a hand in the songwriting or success of the band?

Arnel is in the band now because Journey probably thought his voice was more suited to THEIR material. Who are we to dispute that...? You want a different direction - go listen to something else. They are plenty of other bands out there.

And this was just a ridiculous thing to say (and again 10 years too late) -

If Neal wanted a name for himself... it should have been anything BUT Journey.

Schon had a name for himself before Journey and was then an integral part of that bands success and still is.

Brian May has been pimping out Queen for years now. We Will Rock You the musical followed by Nu-Queen with Paul Rogers. And May has the stones to berate Journey's decisions from behind the safety of a keyboard (and yes I see the irony)! And as for the Beatles catalogue - didn't Michael Jackson once own the rights to the majority of songs that they wrote? Hardly a good result if you ask me.

It's 2008 and Journey's on the road again. Much as I love his music and voice Perry's not coming back. What more could you possibly want?

[FinnFreak]

It's 2008 and Journey's on the road again. Much as I love his music and voice Perry's not coming back. What more could you possibly want?

New material. From BOTH camps. heh.

...and Arnel Pineda to walk that extra mile to add some elements of his own into the old songs.

That would also show some respect to yesteryears, I'd think..?

PLUS: a new member should be an attempt to improve. (some professional pride of a performer)

...otherwise it's just a copied performance; a successful cover requires a performer to make that new version their own
- NOT exactly the same as before.


John -

[ohsherrie]

Let it be known that most of the insanely biased pro-Perry arguments are completely without merit.

According to who, you?

Let it be know that this asshole calling himself Strange Medicine is completely without merit.

Committing ad hominem is bad enough, but timetried insults like "asshole" for a teenager, especially. Try something original. Or, better yet, since I am without merit, as you say, why don't you debunk my argument, sport?

Or are you used to spouting off opinions without supporting a damn word of it?

First of all, my post was meant as a sarcastic, tongue in cheek comment on the pomposity of your opening statement. I don't care enough about your argument to debunk it. I didn't even read much if it.

I've explained my opinion and point of view on this in detail many times over the years. Most people on here know it beyond a doubt and I don't feel inclined to go into it again every time somebody new pops in here with a theory that they think is deeply profound and therefore can be the only possible truth.

But, I will reiterate that I've never said Steve Perry was solely responsible for Journey's success. I said they, as 99% of their fanbase came to know them, would not have made it, or even existed for that matter, if his voice hadn't gotten our attention and his songwriting hadn't given them 2 of their first three, and still most widely played, hits.(Lights and LTS) Yes Jon Cain also contributed greatly to their further success, but like somebody else already pointed out, without Perry's voice neither Open Arms nor Faithfully would have had nearly the impact that they did. No matter how good a song is, without the right voice wrapped around it, it's just a song.

I've also said I don't give a damn for or about them without him.

None of that is saying the other guys aren't talented, but without him they were just a bunch of talented guys going nowhere.

If you're a teenager qualify yourself as such below your avatar or take what you get for jumping into the fray.

[Playitloudforme]

So you think opinions would differ if Steve Perry was dead?

Dude.. I didn't say that. But the reasons for taking on a new lead singer were different.

Arnel is in the band now because Journey probably thought his voice was more suited to THEIR material. Who are we to dispute that...? You want a different direction - go listen to something else. They are plenty of other bands out there.

Trust me, I do. I have no intention of supporting this version of Journey. And I'm HERE...because a) I can be and offer my opinion and b) because of the people I've met.

And this was just a ridiculous thing to say (and again 10 years too late) -

If Neal wanted a name for himself... it should have been anything BUT Journey.

Schon had a name for himself before Journey and was then an integral part of that bands success and still is.

No.. not ridiculous. Neal had a name, but no where NEAR the level he had intended all those years ago. I'm going to be doing a survey, of people, not internet based at all. I'll hold up three pictures. One of Schon, one of Perry, and one of Pineda... and ask people on the street, all ages, to name who it is in the picture. Let's see how many know Neal.

Brian May has been pimping out Queen for years now. We Will Rock You the musical followed by Nu-Queen with Paul Rogers. And May has the stones to berate Journey's decisions from behind the safety of a keyboard (and yes I see the irony)! And as for the Beatles catalogue - didn't Michael Jackson once own the rights to the majority of songs that they wrote? Hardly a good result if you ask me.

You've got to be fucking KIDDING ME.... are you even suggesting that Queen & the Beatles' music isn't pure classic... drugs are bad dude.

It's 2008 and Journey's on the road again. Much as I love his music and voice Perry's not coming back. What more could you possibly want?

For them to have chosen integrity. I agree, Perry's not coming back. At this point, I don't care about that either. 10 years is too damn long to wait. I'm putting my concert money into Evanescence, Linkin Park, the Police. You can have the dirty dozen.

[jrnyman28]

Hell, Journey's highest charting single was "Open Arms", which is one the worst songs in their entire catalog!


John from Boston

Agreed!!