ohsherrie wrote:
First of all, my post was meant as a sarcastic, tongue in cheek comment on the pomposity of your opening statement. I don't care enough about your argument to debunk it. I didn't even read much if it.
Your intent is negated by the sheer stupidity your post emits; your intention was to make a "sarcastic, tongue in cheek" comment about the "pomposity of my opening statement"? And then you further cripple your own argument by the admission that you did not even read much of my response -- ergo, how can you logically conclude that my open statement was pompous if you did not bother to read the supporting facts and contentions? I would ask if the concept of logic eludes you, but it's become apparent from the vast majority of your posts that you and reason haven't been playmates in a long ass time.
I've explained my opinion and point of view on this in detail many times over the years. Most people on here know it beyond a doubt and I don't feel inclined to go into it again every time somebody new pops in here with a theory that they think is deeply profound and therefore can be the only possible truth.
I only hope that you've explained your opinion in a far superior manner than presented here. Your inclinations are also irrelevant. This is how a debate goes: at any given time, a rebuttal to a previously established contention can be made, at which point, the originator has a choice: he can either argue against it or concede the point. The bullshit you spin isn't logical, it doesn't make sense. Perhaps that's why you're so keen on not arguing it with me?
But, I will reiterate that I've never said Steve Perry was solely responsible for Journey's success. I said they, as 99% of their fanbase came to know them, would not have made it, or even existed for that matter, if his voice hadn't gotten our attention and his songwriting hadn't given them 2 of their first three, and still most widely played, hits.(Lights and LTS) Yes Jon Cain also contributed greatly to their further success, but like somebody else already pointed out, without Perry's voice neither Open Arms nor Faithfully would have had nearly the impact that they did. No matter how good a song is, without the right voice wrapped around it, it's just a song.
This is a much different response than your original posts, but that changes nothing. The fact remains that you -- clearly not all-knowing -- cannot say for certain whether or not Journey "would have not" made it, or otherwise. Furthermore, as you do not yet seem to grasp -- Journey
did exist five years prior to Steve Perry's joining. That cripples another one of your illogical, pro-Perry biases. And, like I told you, Steve Perry's debute with Journey (
Infinity) does not begin to compare to the success of Jonathan Cain's debute with Journey (
Escape); using your own flawed methods, we arrive at conclusions detrimental to your overall opinion. You have no way of proving that "99% of their fanbase came to know them strictly because of Perry".
I've also said I don't give a damn for or about them without him.
None of that is saying the other guys aren't talented, but without him they were just a bunch of talented guys going nowhere.
If you're a teenager qualify yourself as such below your avatar or take what you get for jumping into the fray.
Once again, you cannot prove that their lack of success is strictly due to Perry's departure or not. More likely, it is because the preferences of the general public have changed, or haven't you noticed? The style has changed. Not Journey, not Def Leppard, not Metallica, not Queen, no real band from way back when is riding high on the charts any more. When you can actually back up your
assertions, buddy, you let me know.
