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Postby finalfight » Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:56 am

tammy wrote:It's eerie how close to SP he sounds & it isn't forced - Arnel has such a huge voice coming from a small package...very much like SP had.


Lets not sell the guy short. From some of the photos I have seen posted on here Steve Perry has a fairly big package!
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Postby FishinMagician » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:47 am

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Tomulator wrote:Doesn't matter how good Arnel is. It still can't hide the simple fact,


Arnel (or any singer other than SP) + the "Journey" guys (note the quotes) = UNNECESSARY.




They all need to do something else. Explore NEW horizons (preferably with other musicians)...they're supposed to be ARTISTS you know not REGURGITATORS.

8)


they have all tried to do other things but nowadays it can't be done.


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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BS, btw.

Geez, where on earth is "artistic integrity" these days?????

The "Journey" guys have no clue of what's in GOOD TASTE.

Leave it alone...do something ELSE.

Out.

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thats because "good taste" is fall out boy and sean kingston, all american rejects, soulja boy, etc. . . and the members journey dont wanna make pussy rock or pussy rap
(well, maybe cain does lol)
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Postby RockitRide » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:39 am

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mistiejourney wrote:Maybe that's the title of the next CD: REGURGITATION :lol: :lol: :lol:



I think they should simply call it "Perry Re-Visited" :twisted:


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I think they should call it, "Quit your whining, Edna... like it or not, we made new music. And guess what, some people will buy it whether you do or not." :P


If the songs suck it won't matter who sings them. I think they should just pay Jim Peterik a gazillion bucks to write their next CD and be done with it. If Arnel sounds this good on a crappy Internet bootleg he will sound incredible after processing with high-end compressors, reverb, delays, etc. Besides, to sing this style of music you have to be totally relaxed in order to open your throat and let the notes float out of your mask and head, and that is why he, like all other singers, will be vastly better in the studio. Unfortunately good singers are not in vogue, especially male vocalists. For example, the singer for Green Day sounds like he is 13 years old, and the singer for Nickleback couldn't cut it in a small town choir. Whoever that guy is he is absolutley pathetic. The singing on popular music today ranges from horrible to rank amatuer.
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Postby Journey69 » Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:16 am

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stevew2 wrote:He still sucks, bad imitation, you must be deaf or drunk


Mmmmm....your rhetoric is becoming more and more familiar with every post. Mmmmm..... I say enough, ok?


He's a troll..
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Postby Journey69 » Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:25 am

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wildone wrote:Does Not Impress me at all....all this noise for another fuckin tribute band...way to funny :roll:


How does a new album and video relegate them to "tribute band" status, numb nuts?
It isn't out yet dumbass and remeber what neal said it was the perry sound they wanted which = tribute band.... moron They Just need to change there name to "The Perry Wannabies" :lol:


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Postby Rhiannon » Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:39 am

Journey69 wrote:
Andrew wrote:
stevew2 wrote:He still sucks, bad imitation, you must be deaf or drunk


Mmmmm....your rhetoric is becoming more and more familiar with every post. Mmmmm..... I say enough, ok?


He's a troll..


He's not a troll, not even a bad guy... he's just drinking the unkool-aid.
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Postby Journey69 » Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:41 am

mistiejourney wrote:
Tomulator wrote:Doesn't matter how good Arnel is. It still can't hide the simple fact,


Arnel (or any singer other than SP) + the "Journey" guys (note the quotes) = UNNECESSARY.




They all need to do something else. Explore NEW horizons (preferably with other musicians)...they're supposed to be ARTISTS you know not REGURGITATORS.

8)


Maybe that's the title of the next CD: REGURGITATION :lol: :lol: :lol:


How about Resurgence? :D
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Postby RPM » Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:51 am

stevew2 wrote:
He still sucks, bad imitation, you must be deaf or drunk

Dude, FYI you are sounding like an idiot.

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Postby mistiejourney » Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:01 am

Journey69 wrote:
mistiejourney wrote:
Tomulator wrote:Doesn't matter how good Arnel is. It still can't hide the simple fact,


Arnel (or any singer other than SP) + the "Journey" guys (note the quotes) = UNNECESSARY.




They all need to do something else. Explore NEW horizons (preferably with other musicians)...they're supposed to be ARTISTS you know not REGURGITATORS.

8)


Maybe that's the title of the next CD: REGURGITATION :lol: :lol: :lol:


How about Resurgence? :D


Actually, that wouldn't be a bad one! :)
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Postby Aaron » Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:23 am

Dan,

I'm not with you on this one. I had two listens and came up with these conclusions:

1. Not every fuckin note is vibrato
2. No life and soul

I'll give them a fair shake live one time as I did last time. However, if the performance gives the same vibe as this vid, I'll go home pissed just like last time too.

Hopefully it will get better,

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Postby tammy » Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:05 pm

finalfight wrote:
tammy wrote:It's eerie how close to SP he sounds & it isn't forced - Arnel has such a huge voice coming from a small package...very much like SP had.


Lets not sell the guy short. From some of the photos I have seen posted on here Steve Perry has a fairly big package!


LOL! :D I should've edited myself. (btw, I heard that was true of David Cassidy! :shock: I just read it in a book.)
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:47 pm

Journey69 wrote:
Andrew wrote:
stevew2 wrote:He still sucks, bad imitation, you must be deaf or drunk


Mmmmm....your rhetoric is becoming more and more familiar with every post. Mmmmm..... I say enough, ok?


He's a troll..
I am not a troll, I just dont like it. "Shesss a small town girlllll" WHTF?? Now we all have to have the same opinions here? Thats nice,thanks
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Postby mikemarrs » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:17 pm

i've heard there was no emotion or soul there in arnel's singing.sort of like him being mechanical or artificial in a way.i'll reserve judgement until i can hear him do a few more things in the future with this band.hopefully he'll win the fans over but i don't know enough either way to say until i see him in action with journey.those zoo videos on youtube are one thing but seeing him with the band will be the proof in the pudding as far as will it work or not.......
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Postby wildone » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:17 am

Journey69 wrote:
wildone wrote:
Saint John wrote:
wildone wrote:Does Not Impress me at all....all this noise for another fuckin tribute band...way to funny :roll:


How does a new album and video relegate them to "tribute band" status, numb nuts?
It isn't out yet dumbass and remeber what neal said it was the perry sound they wanted which = tribute band.... moron They Just need to change there name to "The Perry Wannabies" :lol:


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Postby Rockindeano » Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:36 am

Dan or anyone else going to Vegas.

I bet you 10 bucks AP fucks up the bridge at the 2 min mark. On the CD they do one bridge, but live they do it twice. Just a hunch, and I want to bet something!
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Postby texafana » Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:57 am

stevew2 wrote: He's a troll..
I am not a troll, I just dont like it. "Shesss a small town girlllll" WHTF?? Now we all have to have the same opinions here? Thats nice,thanks[/quote]

You are a master "baiter". :mrgreen:
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Postby finalfight » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:34 am

texafana wrote:
stevew2 wrote: He's a troll..
I am not a troll, I just dont like it. "Shesss a small town girlllll" WHTF?? Now we all have to have the same opinions here? Thats nice,thanks


texafana wrote:You are a master "baiter". :mrgreen:


Some weird quoting going on above...and I confuse easily!
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Postby annie89509 » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:36 am

I don't get it. All the pro-Arnel people say he's not trying to copy SP, that Arnel has his own distinctive voice. But all I can hear from these videos are the Perryisms and that he tries to sing like SP (dragging out the vowels, soaring notes, etc). Not saying he's not good. I do think, of all the singers that have tried out with the band, Arnel fits these songs the best.

To me, though, he needs to show what he can do with NEW music before he can be taken seriously. I guess that will happen in May. But I don't think I can bare to listen to the re-records.
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Postby stevew2 » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:47 am

texafana wrote:
stevew2 wrote: He's a troll..
I am not a troll, I just dont like it. "Shesss a small town girlllll" WHTF?? Now we all have to have the same opinions here? Thats nice,thanks


You are a master "baiter". :mrgreen:[/quote] ay Arent we all? you spelled baitor wrong
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Postby journeywoman » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:53 am

annie89509 wrote:I don't get it. All the pro-Arnel people say he's not trying to copy SP, that Arnel has his own distinctive voice. But all I can hear from these videos are the Perryisms and that he tries to sing like SP (dragging out the vowels, soaring notes, etc). Not saying he's not good. I do think, of all the singers that have tried out with the band, Arnel fits these songs the best.

To me, though, he needs to show what he can do with NEW music before he can be taken seriously. I guess that will happen in May. But I don't think I can bare to listen to the re-records.
Ah annie I so agree with your post.New Music? This maybe the clincher,with new music he has no one to imitate so if he is a good singer this will tell the tale.As far as buying the re-makes? No,I have Steve Perry on those originals no one can top those.So why would I want the same music when I already have the best,The Voice!
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Postby EightyRock » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:46 am

Arnel is hitting notes that Augeri and even JSS was not hitting. Augeri had no strength to his vocals and no stamina. JSS had pipes, stamina and SOUL. Arnel is lacking the soul factor. The closest they have come to bringing magic back into Journey was with Soto, even if he wasn't the CLONE they are seeking. The only thing remotely worth hearing would be new music. Oh wait, that's right....Arnel didn't even write the new music with them. That says it all. They only want him to replicate Perry's sound as closely as he can. Nothing else.
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Postby Maui Tom » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:14 pm

See you guys in Vegas!

It's all good.

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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:41 pm

EightyRock wrote:Arnel is hitting notes that Augeri and even JSS was not hitting.


Jeff got better as time went on. When Jeff first joined Journey, someone here posted him singing "Separate Ways", and his voice simply fell apart on the high notes at the end of that track, and I said as much here, when I heard it. To be fair to Jeff, I didn't hear that on later performances of "Separate Ways". As for Augeri...Augeri's voice was NEVER cut out to sing Perry's music. It's not a knock on the guy, because I actually liked the guy's voice. He simply had ZERO shot of hitting those notes that the songs were originally recorded in, and that was evident the very first time I heard the guy.

EightyRock wrote:Augeri had no strength to his vocals and no stamina.


I think what we've learned about Journey, over the years, is that NOBODY (including Perry) has the stamina to keep up with the touring schedule that Neal wants to keep. I don't know if Schon is desperate for money, obsessed with making as much as he can, has more bills than he can keep up with, just loves playing guitar non-stop, or all of the above. The one thing I think Schon has NEVER shown enough respect for (and I say this, based upon the non-stop touring) is just how difficult these songs are to sing. Neal doesn't understand that it's not his voice being shredded, trying to hit these impossible to hit notes, night after night, after night! It is FAR easier for a guy playing an instrument to be consistent, nightly, than a guy trying to hit Perry's signature notes!

EightyRock wrote: They only want him to replicate Perry's sound as closely as he can. Nothing else.


It's pretty tough to argue with this. In fact, I think Neal has done everything but directly come out and admit it. As I said before, Neal is a lot of things, but he's not a dope. He understands, just like most Journey fans that the sound of Journey is directly tied to the soaring vocals of Steve Perry, and that if he could only find a guy to sound like Perry, he'd be in a much better place. I would say that there is NO question that Arnel sounds the closest to Perry, out of everyone they've brought in. I think Neal and Jon believe that with some coaching, he can sound VERY close to Perry, and they both believe that is Journey's "legacy" sound, so that's what they're banking on!


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Postby Rick » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:44 pm

Enigma869 wrote:I think what we've learned about Journey, over the years, is that NOBODY (including Perry) has the stamina to keep up with the touring schedule that Neal wants to keep.


Is it Neal's schedule or Herbert/Azoff's?
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Postby RPM » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:48 pm

no doubt it was herbies back then. that tour schedule was criminal. I completely understand why Perry was saying he
wanted it to be his last.
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Postby slucero » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:45 pm

Rick wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:I think what we've learned about Journey, over the years, is that NOBODY (including Perry) has the stamina to keep up with the touring schedule that Neal wants to keep.


Is it Neal's schedule or Herbert/Azoff's?



Yep.... all the way to the fekkin' BANK... (remember Perry personally thanked Herbie at the WOF ceremony)

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Postby RPM » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:16 pm

That was for getting him in the band, and rightfully so......NOT for the ridiculous tour schedule that should never
have taken place...

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Postby mistiejourney » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:33 pm

EightyRock wrote:Arnel is hitting notes that Augeri and even JSS was not hitting. Augeri had no strength to his vocals and no stamina. JSS had pipes, stamina and SOUL. Arnel is lacking the soul factor. The closest they have come to bringing magic back into Journey was with Soto, even if he wasn't the CLONE they are seeking. The only thing remotely worth hearing would be new music. Oh wait, that's right....Arnel didn't even write the new music with them. That says it all. They only want him to replicate Perry's sound as closely as he can. Nothing else.
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Yep! Jeff brought so much to the table, it wasn't even funny. So much potential that will never be realized. Journey's loss. :(
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Postby Shadowsong » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:49 pm

Master Baitor
Good come back

:D

Cracked the stone
So why not break the mold?

We all proved we were open
to Journey taking a new road...

Then Neal has a change of heart
Something about he's too tall & "signature sound
So here we are again
the wheel in the sky goes round & round...
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Postby mistiejourney » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:56 pm

Shadowsong wrote:Master Baitor
Good come back

:D

Cracked the stone
So why not break the mold?

We all proved we were open
to Journey taking a new road...

Then Neal has a change of heart
Something about he's too tall & "signature sound
So here we are again
the wheel in the sky goes round & round...


Love the post!!! :D
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