Jim Peterik presents World Stage '08

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Postby Slander » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:51 am

Eyeof wrote:I think it should be clairified that when you go see the quite riot sounding McSurvivor you aren't going to see Survivor either...give me a break...

There are just as many original Survivor members in Pride of Lions as there are in 'mc'Survivor...

There are just as many original members of Survivor singing budlight ads, as there are in what you call Survivor...

I bet would bet you anythimg that the average fan would find for resemblence in JJ and JP playing together to what they think Survivor is, than in McSurvivor...

Please...four guys played on the original track of "I Can't Hold Back"...

Two of those performed together at World Stage doing the song....and two of them performed it together at the last McSurvivor 'real' lineup show...

I ask you this guys, which do you think sounded more like the "REAL" deal? Which do you think sounded better?

I've said all along...I have nothing against McAuley and if he wants to push to replace the great, late Kevin DeBrow...I'll be his biggest advocate...but him in Survivor, make Pride of Lions even sound good...



The argument is who owns the name. Frankie Sullivan owns the name. Enough already. You guys can stomp up and down, scream, put your fingers in your ears, but it's not going to change the fact that Frankie Sullivan owns the name. Why is this even up for discussion?
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Re: Jim Peterik presents World Stage '08

Postby axecrew » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:52 am

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Slander wrote:Calling FS a douchebag or whatever as someone did in an earlier post not only hurts their argumentation but hurts the "vibe" on the board. Let's keep it positive.


Ah, yes.
That would be St John.

AxeCrew raises a valid question.
If fs is above dignifying the serious allegations levied by Jamison then why go around firing off cease and decists over far more trivial and seemingly benign harmless things such as merely using the indisputeably factual words "Jami Jamison And Jim Peterik performing the songs of Survivor" in promotional literature for a benefit concert?


Gee, I don't know maybe it's his trademark and it's his right to do with it what he wants. There's a wild and crazy thought. Hmmm I've spent 30 years of my life creating something and maybe just maybe he's protective of it. I'll be honest with JJ touring singing Survivor songs and JP doing the same thing I don't see anything wrong with FS wanting to make it clear who the "real" Survivor is. What is wrong with that? It also helps to clarify for people that when they go to see JJ or JP they are not going to be seeing the group Survivor.


Well that's a nice thoughtBUT it doesn't hold water...can you name me 1 instance where Jim Peterik has EVER billed himself as Survivor? Hell Jim does 38 Special songs also.....don't ever recall him being sent a cease and desist letter from them. Don Barnes was at World Stage on Saturday. Sorry chris but if you ask people who the"REAL" Survivor is...I guarendamntee you it won't be the current version. Let me ask you a question.....OUTSIDE of Survivor....How many hit songs has Frankie Sullivan wrote? Truth is when people go see Jim or Jimi they are seeing the "REAL Survivor. Jimi was the voice and Jim wrote the songs. Now please don't trot out that worn out diatrabe about Frankie's "signature" sound 'cause it's bullshit ok.....during the World Stage show the songs were played NOTE FOR NOTE perfect..solo's and all. And yes, they had the "VIBE" you like to talk about. If you closed your eyes you'd have sworn it was Survivor.....I've been a fan of the bands since 1980 and have known jim since '87,so believe me I've heard these songs live 100's of times and would be able to tell the difference. What's really sad is that if Frankie were honest he'd admit that Aquino and Hoekstra blow him away. Yes that's my opinion,but it's shared by people in the business who's opinion I value a lot more than yours. Sorry about that, but you've said you aren't in the business repeatedly,and I have to take your word for that. :lol:
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Postby Red13JoePa » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:59 am

Eyeof wrote: I bet would bet you anythimg that the average fan would find for resemblence in JJ and JP playing together to what they think Survivor is, than in McSurvivor...


Dude, come to think of it those 2 should reach out to Bickler.
I'm serious, that would be a GD GREAT ticket and it would keep the attrition on both Dave and Jimi's voice low.

Go around playing shows with Dave singing 5-6 and Jamo 5-6.
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Postby Eyeof » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:35 am

Slander, I was not arguing who owns the name legally...I don't really care, but don't give me this 'people have a right to know' junk...what they have a right to know is that a Kevin DuBrow soundalike is playing with Frankie and that's not the REAL Survivor in anyway...
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Postby Eyeof » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:36 am

as you said....since when is the legal system the end all, be all...
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Re: Jim Peterik presents World Stage '08

Postby Slander » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:02 am

axecrew wrote:.....OUTSIDE of Survivor....How many hit songs has Frankie Sullivan wrote? Truth is when people go see Jim or Jimi they are seeing the "REAL Survivor. Jimi was the voice and Jim wrote the songs. Now please don't trot out that worn out diatrabe about Frankie's "signature" sound 'cause it's bullshit ok.....during the World Stage show the songs were played NOTE FOR NOTE perfect..solo's and all. And yes, they had the "VIBE" you like to talk about. If you closed your eyes you'd have sworn it was Survivor.....I've been a fan of the bands since 1980 and have known jim since '87,so believe me I've heard these songs live 100's of times and would be able to tell the difference. What's really sad is that if Frankie were honest he'd admit that Aquino and Hoekstra blow him away. Yes that's my opinion,but it's shared by people in the business who's opinion I value a lot more than yours. Sorry about that, but you've said you aren't in the business repeatedly,and I have to take your word for that. :lol:


Hey Axe you are correct I'm NOT in the business. I've never sang nor played an instrument. I will take you at your word that the above musicians BLOW Frankie away. Frankie was a major part of the Survivor signature sound. To say otherwise is disingenious. I'll bet JP would say the same thing. He's a class act who would give credit where credit is due. If you trot out Premonition, Eye, or CITG, Frankie Sullivans stamp is all over them. I'm sorry you disagree. I know you are doing your best to turn FS into nothing more than a studio musician. It just doesn't hold water. By the way that comes from people I have spoken to in the biz.
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Postby Slander » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:06 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Go around playing shows with Dave singing 5-6 and Jamo 5-6.


Yeah no egos involved there! LOL
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Postby Slander » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:15 am

Eyeof wrote:Slander, I was not arguing who owns the name legally...I don't really care, but don't give me this 'people have a right to know' junk...what they have a right to know is that a Kevin DuBrow soundalike is playing with Frankie and that's not the REAL Survivor in anyway...



Hey Eye the debate was wether or not FS had the right to issue a cease and desist order. That's not up for discussion. Just as if you had a trademarked product you would have the right to protect. I'm not going to debate which Survivor is better. That's all a matter of true opinion. I prefer early 80's Survivor myself. Always have. That doesn't mean that JJ or Robin have nothing to add. Eye have you listened to Robin's "Business As Usual." Just judge it on its own merits and don't compare it to Survivor. I would like your opinion.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:43 am

Slander wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Go around playing shows with Dave singing 5-6 and Jamo 5-6.


Yeah no egos involved there! LOL


I don't think either Dave or Jamison's too egotistical.

Christ, you're ripping on Bickler for having too much ego? :o

He's said maybe the LEAST out ANYone in this band's history plus your God frankie himself called him a real "team player" in either the liner of Ultimates or the '93 GH when sullivan was hot to push him aside (the first time, that is).
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Postby Journey/Survivor » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:55 am

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Eyeof wrote: I bet would bet you anythimg that the average fan would find for resemblence in JJ and JP playing together to what they think Survivor is, than in McSurvivor...


Dude, come to think of it those 2 should reach out to Bickler.
I'm serious, that would be a GD GREAT ticket and it would keep the attrition on both Dave and Jimi's voice low.

Go around playing shows with Dave singing 5-6 and Jamo 5-6.


Yes, I agree. I've been saying this for several years now.

Jimi and Dave are two of the greatest Rock singers of all time, but their both now at an age where they aren't going to be able to go out there night after night and singing 15 songs per night. You could have Jimi do anywhere from 5 to 7 songs a night, and Dave do like 5 to 7 songs a night, and even have Peterik sing 1 or 2 per show.
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Postby Slander » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:05 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Slander wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Go around playing shows with Dave singing 5-6 and Jamo 5-6.


Yeah no egos involved there! LOL


I don't think either Dave or Jamison's too egotistical.

Christ, you're ripping on Bickler for having too much ego? :o

He's said maybe the LEAST out ANYone in this band's history plus your God frankie himself called him a real "team player" in either the liner of Ultimates or the '93 GH when sullivan was hot to push him aside (the first time, that is).


Your kidding right? Singers have egos. Give me a break.
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Re: Jim Peterik presents World Stage '08

Postby axecrew » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:14 am

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axecrew wrote:.....OUTSIDE of Survivor....How many hit songs has Frankie Sullivan wrote? Truth is when people go see Jim or Jimi they are seeing the "REAL Survivor. Jimi was the voice and Jim wrote the songs. Now please don't trot out that worn out diatrabe about Frankie's "signature" sound 'cause it's bullshit ok.....during the World Stage show the songs were played NOTE FOR NOTE perfect..solo's and all. And yes, they had the "VIBE" you like to talk about. If you closed your eyes you'd have sworn it was Survivor.....I've been a fan of the bands since 1980 and have known jim since '87,so believe me I've heard these songs live 100's of times and would be able to tell the difference. What's really sad is that if Frankie were honest he'd admit that Aquino and Hoekstra blow him away. Yes that's my opinion,but it's shared by people in the business who's opinion I value a lot more than yours. Sorry about that, but you've said you aren't in the business repeatedly,and I have to take your word for that. :lol:


Hey Axe you are correct I'm NOT in the business. I've never sang nor played an instrument. I will take you at your word that the above musicians BLOW Frankie away. Frankie was a major part of the Survivor signature sound. To say otherwise is disingenious. I'll bet JP would say the same thing. He's a class act who would give credit where credit is due. If you trot out Premonition, Eye, or CITG, Frankie Sullivans stamp is all over them. I'm sorry you disagree. I know you are doing your best to turn FS into nothing more than a studio musician. It just doesn't hold water. By the way that comes from people I have spoken to in the biz.


Where is it said that I'm trying to turn sullivan into a studio musician????? As much as it is disingenious to say that frankie isn't part of that sound(And I don't ever recall doing that now did I?). It is the same to put on blinders and think that No one can reproduce that sound or that vibe(like you do),or to think that others are not better than him,regardless as to who they are, name or not. Joel Hokestra is the new guitar player in Night Ranger playing Jeff Watson's parts. Can sullivan play those parts and make them sound just like Watson...tone and all? BTW speaking to JV doesn't count as people in the business....sullivan is producing his record,what did you think he would say...that sullivan sucks??? And btw you don't have to take me at my word...what I said was...If Sullivan was honest he would admit that those guys blow him away. Nowhere did I put it out there as my opinion...other than to say that. To think that no one else can play that stuff is borderline criminal at worst and egotistical at least. Or better yet let's take a poll of ALL the people who booed and yelled get off the stage show after show after show when sullivan took off on his 25 minute guitar solo.....what is that other than ego? Did he need to prove that he could still play or something??
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Re: Jim Peterik presents World Stage '08

Postby Slander » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:31 am

axecrew wrote:[Where is it said that I'm trying to turn sullivan into a studio musician????? As much as it is disingenious to say that frankie isn't part of that sound(And I don't ever recall doing that now did I?). It is the same to put on blinders and think that No one can reproduce that sound or that vibe(like you do),or to think that others are not better than him,regardless as to who they are, name or not. Joel Hokestra is the new guitar player in Night Ranger playing Jeff Watson's parts. Can sullivan play those parts and make them sound just like Watson...tone and all? BTW speaking to JV doesn't count as people in the business....sullivan is producing his record,what did you think he would say...that sullivan sucks??? And btw you don't have to take me at my word...what I said was...If Sullivan was honest he would admit that those guys blow him away. Nowhere did I put it out there as my opinion...other than to say that. To think that no one else can play that stuff is borderline criminal at worst and egotistical at least. Or better yet let's take a poll of ALL the people who booed and yelled get off the stage show after show after show when sullivan took off on his 25 minute guitar solo.....what is that other than ego? Did he need to prove that he could still play or something??


First of all what's with the hostility here? I just don't get it. Your tone is so disproportional to the subject matter discussed. This whole thing sounds extremely personal to you. You imply imho that Sullivans work can be replaced by anyone. I disagree. I think FS has a "unique" sound. I think Frankie's guitar playing is hard to imitate. That's what I'm told and not by JV. I just know what I hear. By the way why isn't JV an expert? Because he disagrees with you? As far as guitar solos...good god....wow imagine that....a guitar player overly doing it on a solo. Shocking. I have been on stage when he has played that solo. No it wasn't 25 minutes. You guys lose credibility when you exaggerate this crap. Everyone in music has an ego! That's not necessarially a bad thing. Yes JJ has an ego. Yes Dave has an ego. What's the deal here? Axe I appreciate your insight and back and forth. It's nice to talk music but let's keep in mind that's all it is. We are not debating the massacre in Darfur. Let's get a grip and get a little perspective.
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Re: Jim Peterik presents World Stage '08

Postby axecrew » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:52 am

Slander wrote:
axecrew wrote:[Where is it said that I'm trying to turn sullivan into a studio musician????? As much as it is disingenious to say that frankie isn't part of that sound(And I don't ever recall doing that now did I?). It is the same to put on blinders and think that No one can reproduce that sound or that vibe(like you do),or to think that others are not better than him,regardless as to who they are, name or not. Joel Hokestra is the new guitar player in Night Ranger playing Jeff Watson's parts. Can sullivan play those parts and make them sound just like Watson...tone and all? BTW speaking to JV doesn't count as people in the business....sullivan is producing his record,what did you think he would say...that sullivan sucks??? And btw you don't have to take me at my word...what I said was...If Sullivan was honest he would admit that those guys blow him away. Nowhere did I put it out there as my opinion...other than to say that. To think that no one else can play that stuff is borderline criminal at worst and egotistical at least. Or better yet let's take a poll of ALL the people who booed and yelled get off the stage show after show after show when sullivan took off on his 25 minute guitar solo.....what is that other than ego? Did he need to prove that he could still play or something??


First of all what's with the hostility here? I just don't get it. Your tone is so disproportional to the subject matter discussed. This whole thing sounds extremely personal to you. You imply imho that Sullivans work can be replaced by anyone. I disagree. I think FS has a "unique" sound. I think Frankie's guitar playing is hard to imitate. That's what I'm told and not by JV. I just know what I hear. By the way why isn't JV an expert? Because he disagrees with you? As far as guitar solos...good god....wow imagine that....a guitar player overly doing it on a solo. Shocking. I have been on stage when he has played that solo. No it wasn't 25 minutes. You guys lose credibility when you exaggerate this crap. Everyone in music has an ego! That's not necessarially a bad thing. Yes JJ has an ego. Yes Dave has an ego. What's the deal here? Axe I appreciate your insight and back and forth. It's nice to talk music but let's keep in mind that's all it is. We are not debating the massacre in Darfur. Let's get a grip and get a little perspective.


The hostility comes from you trying to put words in my mouth to make your position look good. I never said anything about sullivan being a studio musician and yet here you are on here saying that I'm trying to turn him into one. Nor did I say his sound isn't unique,but that doesn't mean it can't be reproduced note for note dead on, tone and everything. You would have the whole world believe that frankie sullivan is the only guitarist in the history of man to put those notes together in that sequence to produce a sound. And that it is so unique that no mortal guitar player could ever replacate that sound. You are so blind in your idol worship that you've put him on an unrealistic pedastal,that he is undeserving of.And I'm just talking about his talent.
So you want to have a discusion that's fine,but as you say about defending sullivan,whenever you try to put words in my mouth I will Bitchslap you each and every single time.
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Postby Journey/Survivor » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:59 am

I try not to say too much, but I will say this.

I have a big problem with the way that Sullivan has handled a lot of things. And I wish that Peterik was still in the band and was the one calling the shots.

But I think that there are too many people who greatly underestimate Frankie Sullivan's talent. In terms of technical prowess there are better guitarists than Frankie. But based on the criteria that I consider to determine who the "greatest guitarists" are, I rank Frankie Sullivan second to only Neal Schon. Some other guys that I rank close behind are Steve Lukather, Josh Ramos, Dan Huff and Jeff Watson.

Again, I wish that Sullivan would have handled many things much differently in the band. But there is no denying his importance to Survivor as a guitarist/songwriter/producer.
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Postby Slander » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:14 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:I try not to say too much, but I will say this.

I have a big problem with the way that Sullivan has handled a lot of things. Again, I wish that Sullivan would have handled many things much differently in the band. But there is no denying his importance to Survivor as a guitarist/songwriter/producer.


I will agree with you on most of these counts. I have been on record as saying over and over that I wish FS was more open with the fans. I think a lot of things would be cleared up.
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Re: Jim Peterik presents World Stage '08

Postby Slander » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:22 am

axecrew wrote: You are so blind in your idol worship that you've put him on an unrealistic pedastal,that he is undeserving of.And I'm just talking about his talent.
So you want to have a discusion that's fine,but as you say about defending sullivan,whenever you try to put words in my mouth I will Bitchslap you each and every single time.


I don't need to defend FS. He can do that for himself. I think the fact that you have to use words like "bitchslap" speaks volumes about your civility. Clearly you have lost your ability to look at any of this rationally. It's just a shame you have to take it to this level. It's unecessary. I don't blindly worship FS. I have been critical of him when deserved but no one ever comments on it. I have come to the reality that you are all taking your anger out on me. Do what you need to do and I will try to keep the positive vibe on the board.
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Postby axecrew » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:25 pm

God you are funny. :shock: You don't need to defend him,but yet everytime he tells you to,you're on here spouting the gospel according to frank. Ya know what CHRIS...your act is getting old. I challange you to reveal your real name....to make it fair I will do the same. BTW for a "writer" your spelling in the last post sucks....I'd have thought a professional writer could spell the words "volumes and unneccesary", not to mention fact, better than that.
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Postby MarcelJordan » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:35 pm

Journey/Survivor wrote:I try not to say too much, but I will say this.

I have a big problem with the way that Sullivan has handled a lot of things. And I wish that Peterik was still in the band and was the one calling the shots.

But I think that there are too many people who greatly underestimate Frankie Sullivan's talent. In terms of technical prowess there are better guitarists than Frankie. But based on the criteria that I consider to determine who the "greatest guitarists" are, I rank Frankie Sullivan second to only Neal Schon. Some other guys that I rank close behind are Steve Lukather, Josh Ramos, Dan Huff and Jeff Watson.

Again, I wish that Sullivan would have handled many things much differently in the band. But there is no denying his importance to Survivor as a guitarist/songwriter/producer.


I don't think there is any chance of JP calling the shots, especially when he was not prepared to fight tooth and nail for the Survivor name. As a matter of fact, he wanted to hand over the Survivor name to JJ while the earlier debacle was going on. However, it was great see an interview where FS said that when met JP two years ago that there was no animosity whatsoever, it was like the "old" days. Nice! 8)
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Postby Slander » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:00 am

MarcelJordan wrote: I don't think there is any chance of JP calling the shots, especially when he was not prepared to fight tooth and nail for the Survivor name. As a matter of fact, he wanted to hand over the Survivor name to JJ while the earlier debacle was going on. However, it was great see an interview where FS said that when met JP two years ago that there was no animosity whatsoever, it was like the "old" days. Nice! 8)


Yes it is great to see. I read an interview (wish I could find it), where JP talks about working with FS. Peterik said something like Frankie had a way of keep him focused. By the way, JP would have been singing on Survivor albums if he had called the shots. I like JP. I own all the POL stuff but I wouldn't have wanted him singing on Survivor albums. Thoughts?
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:12 am

Slander wrote: I read an interview (wish I could find it), where JP talks about working with FS.


Sucks how you're never able to find these kind of interviews you mention from time to time, that bear out fs' ability to actually walk on water.
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Postby Slander » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:12 am

axecrew wrote:....to make it fair I will do the same. BTW for a "writer" your spelling in the last post sucks....I'd have thought a professional writer could spell the words "volumes and unneccesary", not to mention fact, better than that.


Yeah and your dad is bigger than mine.....blah blah blah....Everyone on this board makes spelling errors. Some more than others. Guilty as charged. I didn't realize we were publishing our comments. Let me call my managing editor. Guy I have no axe to grind with you at all. Quite frankly I just don't get the anger. What is it you exactly want me to admit? That FS is a terrible human being? A lousy musician? What? Will that make you feel better? Will you sleep better at night? There is way too much hostility on this subject. It makes no friggin sense. You and others have done your best to marginalize FS on this board. You and others can go on your diatribes but it won't change the fact that FS owns Survivor. It won't change the fact that he co-wrote the songs. It won't change the fact that he is one hell of guitar player. So you and others can imply he is an asshole all you want. I think you and others are above this nonsense.
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Postby Slander » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:21 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Slander wrote: I read an interview (wish I could find it), where JP talks about working with FS.


Sucks how you're never able to find these kind of interviews you mention from time to time, that bear out fs' ability to actually walk on water.


It never mentioned FS walked on water. JP just mentioned that FS was an important part of the writing process. The more you guys go on and on and exaggerate the more your arguments lose credibility. Your anger and hostility blind you. What am I to expect though? You guys all feed off of each other. It's really quite funny to watch. It's like a bunch of homeless guys standing by a burning trash can bitching about their lives. It would be nice to get the positive vibe back on the board. I challenge anyone of you to try to talk about something constructive.
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Postby axecrew » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:57 am

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axecrew wrote:....to make it fair I will do the same. BTW for a "writer" your spelling in the last post sucks....I'd have thought a professional writer could spell the words "volumes and unneccesary", not to mention fact, better than that.


Yeah and your dad is bigger than mine.....blah blah blah....Everyone on this board makes spelling errors. Some more than others. Guilty as charged. I didn't realize we were publishing our comments. Let me call my managing editor. Guy I have no axe to grind with you at all. Quite frankly I just don't get the anger. What is it you exactly want me to admit? That FS is a terrible human being? A lousy musician? What? Will that make you feel better? Will you sleep better at night? There is way too much hostility on this subject. It makes no friggin sense. You and others have done your best to marginalize FS on this board. You and others can go on your diatribes but it won't change the fact that FS owns Survivor. It won't change the fact that he co-wrote the songs. It won't change the fact that he is one hell of guitar player. So you and others can imply he is an asshole all you want. I think you and others are above this nonsense.


What is it I want you to admit???? I want you to admit who you really are,then all of your worship at the house of sullivan will be explained.
As for who owns Survivor.......Who the fuck cares???? Survivor ceased to exist years ago,just like Lynyrd Skynyrd is no longer Lynyrd Skynyrd.....when there is only 1 original member in the band,or in this case 1 1/2( Droubay isn't an original member,but he was a contributing factor to the glory days) the band becomes a parody of itself,almost as if it's a tribute band of itself. Did you ever think that the reason Jim let Frankie buy him out of his own band was because it was easier than putting up with all the bullshit, not to mention he had a number of other things to fall back on. What did st. sullivan have to fall back on??? Don't you understand......Survivor is all sullivan has,he doesn't have anything else,it's his whole life. Oh sure there's the occasional producing gig,but really.....sullivan doesn't have the catalog that Jim has,Jim has 2 other bands, he is constantly writing with tons of artist every year,he produces albums each year. Jim probably makes more with what he does in 6 months than sullivan makes with Survivor in 12. It would be really interesting to see the actual publishing of the songs they wrote together...you know how much of the publishing royalties each one gets. Jim probably saved frankie's life by giving him Survivor,without it frankie has nothing to really speak of.
What do I want you to admit.....How 'bout that the common denominator in all the "problems"with Survivor is francis sullivan. You, yourself, said you wish he'd be more open with the fans,why isn't he? Maybe because he doesn't want the fans to know what he's doing. Look at the facts.....Bickler left the 1st time due to throat problems,no harm, no foul there. But why didn't they wait for Dave's problem to clear up...it obviously did.Enter Jimi......the band becomes stagnent and Jimi goes off to do his own thing. Dave comes back...only to be let go a 2nd time(after bailing them out of a jam by coming in to begin with), Jim leaves,sells sullivan his interest in the band. Jimi comes back.....is let go,quits whatever. Who's the only guy who's there for each and every personal decision???? Let me see.....sullivan.....is this proof?? No,but after all remember it's sullivan's band,you said so yourself. But also consider that both Jim and Jimi have no desire to work with him again,his stunt with melodicrock fest and it's hard not to figure out who the square peg for the round hole is.
Explain something to me....when Andrew found out that Harem Scarem wasn't coming....being that the show was in the midwest.....wouldn't Survivor have been a perfect replacement??? Sullivan shot himself in the foot with that show in more ways than 1. Survior was never ask to play...ya know why???? NO ONE wanted to deal with the attitude and the bullshit. That I know is a FACT.
So what do I want ........something that'll never happen.
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Postby Slander » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:13 am

axecrew wrote:....is this proof?? No


You said it yourself axe. There is no proof just your opinion and I respect it. I wish you could recipricate. Do I worship FS? Hardly. I have been critical of FS on the board many times but no one ever mentions that. I just don't have to go on and on with the name calling. In business seldom is everything 1 persons fault. By the way why did JP disagree with JJ's decision in the late 90's to tour with the name? Just curious. Why was JJ critical of DB sing abilities in his 1999 interview with Andrew? His comments were all class. Not everyone is a saint here. Everyone has fallen short from time to time.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:38 am

Slander wrote:[ Do I worship FS? Hardly. I have been critical of FS on the board many times



Pff.
That's a hoot.
Softball hero-worship like "Geeeeeee...I WISH Frankie would share some of his great blues chops with us" and "***sigh*** Frankie's so interesting and deep and intense, I just wish he'd share more of his great passion and brilliant insights with the WOLRD! YAY!!" are not criticisms, dude.
You're about 1-step shy of calling him a dreamboat with all your hard-hitting criticisms ( :lol: ) of him.
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Postby Slander » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:53 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Slander wrote:[ Do I worship FS? Hardly. I have been critical of FS on the board many times



Pff.
That's a hoot.
Softball hero-worship like "Geeeeeee...I WISH Frankie would share some of his great blues chops with us" and "***sigh*** Frankie's so interesting and deep and intense, I just wish he'd share more of his great passion and brilliant insights with the WOLRD! YAY!!" are not criticisms, dude.
You're about 1-step shy of calling him a dreamboat with all your hard-hitting criticisms ( :lol: ) of him.


Really? Then you are blinded. I have been critical of FS many times about not being more open with fans. I have said it repeatedly. I have been critical because there hasn't been more material out of the band. And yes I do Frankie interesting. Once again I can be critical while at the same time I can see the good things in people too. What is it with you people?
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Postby Slander » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:59 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Slander wrote:[ Do I worship FS? Hardly. I have been critical of FS on the board many times



Pff.
That's a hoot.
Softball hero-worship like "Geeeeeee...I WISH Frankie would share some of his great blues chops with us" and "***sigh*** Frankie's so interesting and deep and intense, I just wish he'd share more of his great passion and brilliant insights with the WOLRD! YAY!!" are not criticisms, dude.
You're about 1-step shy of calling him a dreamboat with all your hard-hitting criticisms ( :lol: ) of him.


And your calling Jim Peterik a legend isn't a bit over the top? Gimme A Break. I think the word legend over does it a bit. Oh I forgot JJ is an aor legend too.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:05 am

Yea right.
JP's the second best Survivor keeyboardist ever so grove must be the legend. :lol:
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Postby Slander » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:18 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Yea right.
JP's the second best Survivor keeyboardist ever so grove must be the legend. :lol:


Never said Chris was a legend, I just have respect for his ability. Yet you want to dismiss his talents. JP's strengths are in song writing.
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