OT Pats cheating gone on since 2000.

[Enigma869]

You like to talk tough hiding behind a computer.

Listen Jamison ball washer...Your "tough" words don't scare me, and never will! I know you like to brag about being "built like an NFL Linebacker", but as I've told you in the past, every linebacker in the NFL is a tiny dude standing next to me!

Dude, I would blow your ass out of the water on sports knowledge

Sure you would. And then you'd wake up from the dream you were having!

But it does show that educated sports fans (unlike yourself) are picking the Browns to win the division next year.

As I already told you Mistake Man...I've already forgotten more about sports than you'll ever know! Have fun having a parade to celebrate your Brownies (aren't those little girl versions of the Cub Scouts) "division title"

Look dipshit, FACT, mistake on the lake was a reference to Cleveland Municipal Stadium, not the city of Cleveland. You can call Cleveland the mistake on the lake until the fucking cows come home, but it's never gonna make it true. Cleveland's real nickname is The Best Location In The Nation. Other Cleveland nicknames are The Forest City and The Northcoast.

Cleveland's nickname origin

Cleveland's nickname, the "Mistake on the Lake," was coined for its history of financial trouble. Though the city has recuperated, residents and visitors still use this name. Cleveland used to be the country's 5th largest city, and the Cleveland-Akron-Elyria is the nation's 14th largest combined statistical area with a population of 2,945,831 (Cleveland comprises 461,324 of this total). It lead other Ohio cities by population in 2003, and is followed by the Cincinnati (nearly 2 million) and Columbus (1,612,694) metropolitan areas.

The average income per capita in Cleveland was $34,264 two years ago, right above the national average. The Mistake by the Lake's economy is driven by a variety of forces:

Here is a link to city nicknames. You'll notice Boston appears several times. Cleveland only appears once. If you're having trouble locating Cleveland on the list...scroll down to the letter "M" for Mistake!
http://www.triviaasylum.com/lists/cities.html

From Harper's Magazine:
"Though the city bills itself as 'The Best Location in the Nation,' even its residents are more apt to refer to it as 'The Mistake on the Lake.'"

Here is Cleveland's online Sports Blog. Notice the name of the publication, MORON!
http://mistakesports.blogspot.com/

And finally, a couple of quotes from fellow Ohio residents about The Mistake On The Lake:

"I was born in Columbus and I've always called it 'shithole.' But hey, at least it's not Cincinnati."
"I've always referred to Cleveland as the city that smells like ass"

If you did, and if you had a fucking brain, you would know that the Cavs were a much better TEAM than the Bulls.

I'm pretty sure Cleveland won absolutely NOTHING, during the years you're referring to, and still hasn't won anything! You can call the Cavaliers this great team all day long, and it doesn't change the fact that Cleveland has the second worst record in the history of the NBA! Look it up, moron! It's all over the internet for you to see with your own two eyes! How the hell do you think they got the nickname of "Cadeavars"? In case you're intellectually challenged, that means dead person! They certainlty didn't get the nickname because of all of the success, you're imagining happened in your head!

Joe Borowski sucks???

In a word...YES, Joe Borowski sucks!

Yeah, that's why he led the American League in saves last year with 45. I'm sure you don't know this because you don't know jackshit

I can assure you that I absolutely knew that. I could quote baseball stats all day long, fuckhead! It's in my blood! What you don't seem to comprehend is that while Borowski may have led the American League in saves, he also led the American League closers in blown saves, ERA, WHIP (I'll give you a minute to Google that), and every other meaningful stat (and by lead, I mean SUCKED the most)! The fact that you actually believe Borowski is this stud pitcher, for no reason, other than the fact that he had more saves than anyone else in the AL tells me that you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the game of baseball! You'd NEVER catch a guy from Boston saying ANY pitcher with an ERA over 5.00 and a WHIP of 1.43 is a top flight closer! The truth of the matter is that those are embarrassing numbers!

If the Cavs suck so much then why did Jason Kidd ask to be traded to the Cavs?

I think we both know the answer to that question...LeBron James! He's the only good player on that team! By the way, as a newsflash, Jason Kidd didn't end up in a Cadeavars uniiform!

Let's review this past weekend...LeBron James is named the All-Star MVP

LeBron James is a GREAT player, and I would never say otherwise!

Daniel Gibson finishes second in the 3-point contest

I never heard of the guy. The real question is why the fuck do you keep bragging about finishing second, in ANYTHING????? Who gives a shit who finishes second! You don't see me on here, bragging that the Patriots finished second this season! Here's a clue for you...If you don't win, shut your pie hole!

the middleweight champion of the world Kelly Pavlik from Youngstown Ohio successfully defends his title

Well, I don’t know which “middleweight champion of the world” Shelly, I mean Kelly, Pavlik is, but if you’re referring to the sport of Boxing…who cares! It’s a meaningless sport that hasn’t mattered in years, and even when it did matter, if it wasn’t the heavyweight division, nobody was paying any attention!

Clevelander Ryan Newman wins the Daytona 500.

Again, who cares! Most people outside of North Carolina don't consider taking a left hand turn for 500 miles to be a sport! Auto racing is for toothless, redneck, fucks (Sorry Dean)! Tell Ryan to go get a real job. Maybe he can help his dad make some more spaghetti sauce!

Oh, and a Boston judge is caught driving around wearing a dress and fishnet stockings.

I heard he was born and raised in Cleveland!

Dude, learn something about sports, and then talk to me!

The fact that you think Joe Borowski is Sandy Koufax (I'll give you a second to Google his name) tells me that you should just shut your mouth, about ANYTHING, sports related. Do us all a favor, and go take up basket weaving. Maybe you can start the Jimi Jamison fan club, and be its most important member!


John from Boston

[Journey/Survivor]

You like to talk tough hiding behind a computer.

Listen Jamison ball washer...Your "tough" words don't scare me, and never will! I know you like to brag about being "built like an NFL Linebacker", but as I've told you in the past, every linebacker in the NFL is a tiny dude standing next to me!

Dude, I would blow your ass out of the water on sports knowledge

Sure you would. And then you'd wake up from the dream you were having!

But it does show that educated sports fans (unlike yourself) are picking the Browns to win the division next year.

As I already told you Mistake Man...I've already forgotten more about sports than you'll ever know! Have fun having a parade to celebrate your Brownies (aren't those little girl versions of the Cub Scouts) "division title"

Look dipshit, FACT, mistake on the lake was a reference to Cleveland Municipal Stadium, not the city of Cleveland. You can call Cleveland the mistake on the lake until the fucking cows come home, but it's never gonna make it true. Cleveland's real nickname is The Best Location In The Nation. Other Cleveland nicknames are The Forest City and The Northcoast.

Cleveland's nickname origin

Cleveland's nickname, the "Mistake on the Lake," was coined for its history of financial trouble. Though the city has recuperated, residents and visitors still use this name. Cleveland used to be the country's 5th largest city, and the Cleveland-Akron-Elyria is the nation's 14th largest combined statistical area with a population of 2,945,831 (Cleveland comprises 461,324 of this total). It lead other Ohio cities by population in 2003, and is followed by the Cincinnati (nearly 2 million) and Columbus (1,612,694) metropolitan areas.

The average income per capita in Cleveland was $34,264 two years ago, right above the national average. The Mistake by the Lake's economy is driven by a variety of forces:

Here is a link to city nicknames. You'll notice Boston appears several times. Cleveland only appears once. If you're having trouble locating Cleveland on the list...scroll down to the letter "M" for Mistake!
http://www.triviaasylum.com/lists/cities.html

From Harper's Magazine:
"Though the city bills itself as 'The Best Location in the Nation,' even its residents are more apt to refer to it as 'The Mistake on the Lake.'"

Here is Cleveland's online Sports Blog. Notice the name of the publication, MORON!
http://mistakesports.blogspot.com/

And finally, a couple of quotes from fellow Ohio residents about The Mistake On The Lake:

"I was born in Columbus and I've always called it 'shithole.' But hey, at least it's not Cincinnati."
"I've always referred to Cleveland as the city that smells like ass"

If you did, and if you had a fucking brain, you would know that the Cavs were a much better TEAM than the Bulls.

I'm pretty sure Cleveland won absolutely NOTHING, during the years you're referring to, and still hasn't won anything! You can call the Cavaliers this great team all day long, and it doesn't change the fact that Cleveland has the second worst record in the history of the NBA! Look it up, moron! It's all over the internet for you to see with your own two eyes! How the hell do you think they got the nickname of "Cadeavars"? In case you're intellectually challenged, that means dead person! They certainlty didn't get the nickname because of all of the success, you're imagining happened in your head!

Joe Borowski sucks???

In a word...YES, Joe Borowski sucks!

Yeah, that's why he led the American League in saves last year with 45. I'm sure you don't know this because you don't know jackshit

I can assure you that I absolutely knew that. I could quote baseball stats all day long, fuckhead! It's in my blood! What you don't seem to comprehend is that while Borowski may have led the American League in saves, he also led the American League closers in blown saves, ERA, WHIP (I'll give you a minute to Google that), and every other meaningful stat (and by lead, I mean SUCKED the most)! The fact that you actually believe Borowski is this stud pitcher, for no reason, other than the fact that he had more saves than anyone else in the AL tells me that you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the game of baseball! You'd NEVER catch a guy from Boston saying ANY pitcher with an ERA over 5.00 and a WHIP of 1.43 is a top flight closer! The truth of the matter is that those are embarrassing numbers!

If the Cavs suck so much then why did Jason Kidd ask to be traded to the Cavs?

I think we both know the answer to that question...LeBron James! He's the only good player on that team! By the way, as a newsflash, Jason Kidd didn't end up in a Cadeavars uniiform!

Let's review this past weekend...LeBron James is named the All-Star MVP

LeBron James is a GREAT player, and I would never say otherwise!

Daniel Gibson finishes second in the 3-point contest

I never heard of the guy. The real question is why the fuck do you keep bragging about finishing second, in ANYTHING????? Who gives a shit who finishes second! You don't see me on here, bragging that the Patriots finished second this season! Here's a clue for you...If you don't win, shut your pie hole!

the middleweight champion of the world Kelly Pavlik from Youngstown Ohio successfully defends his title

Well, I don’t know which “middleweight champion of the world” Shelly, I mean Kelly, Pavlik is, but if you’re referring to the sport of Boxing…who cares! It’s a meaningless sport that hasn’t mattered in years, and even when it did matter, if it wasn’t the heavyweight division, nobody was paying any attention!

Clevelander Ryan Newman wins the Daytona 500.

Again, who cares! Most people outside of North Carolina don't consider taking a left hand turn for 500 miles to be a sport! Auto racing is for toothless, redneck, fucks (Sorry Dean)! Tell Ryan to go get a real job. Maybe he can help his dad make some more spaghetti sauce!

Oh, and a Boston judge is caught driving around wearing a dress and fishnet stockings.

I heard he was born and raised in Cleveland!

Dude, learn something about sports, and then talk to me!

The fact that you think Joe Borowski is Sandy Koufax (I'll give you a second to Google his name) tells me that you should just shut your mouth, about ANYTHING, sports related. Do us all a favor, and go take up basket weaving. Maybe you can start the Jimi Jamison fan club, and be its most important member!


John from Boston

Asshole,

You don't come close to knowing sports like I do. And Baseball is the last sport you would ever know better than me. I literally could qualify as a Baseball historian. Dead serious on this, I once met a Baseball historian who has written many books on Baseball, he and I struck up a long conversation about Baseball. After a few minutes he asked me how old I was, I told him that I was 25 (I turn 36 next month) which I was at the time. He smiled and said I've never in my life seen anyone as young as you who knows damn near everything to happen in Baseball history. I was myself a great Baseball and Football player as a kid and in my teens, as well as a Boxer. If I didn't go into music I probably could have at least reached the minor leagues in Baseball. Jackass, I've known who Sandy Koufax is since I was five years old. You could never name a star MLB player that I don't know about.

Borowski's ERA did suck last year, but it was because of about 3 games where he got his ass kicked really bad, other than those few games his ERA was good. When your talking about a closer, the bottom line is Saves whether your ERA is good or not. At least Borowski doesn't dance around like a fairy like that homo Papelbon.

You keep mentioning Sabathia's weight. Being from Boston I would think you would have heard of a certain fat guy named Babe Ruth? I'll give you a minute to Google him. He's the guy that the Boston owner sold to the Yankees so he could finance a play.

Hey Asshole, you hear about the blockbuster trade the Cavs made today???

I'm from Cleveland, unlike the dumbshits that call Cleveland the mistake on the lake. I can guarantee you no-one from Cleveland ever calls it that. There were about 3 things that happened in the late 60's and early 70's in Cleveland that got Johnny Carson to make jokes about the city, and that's where all the moronic jokes come from. Was Boston named an "All American City" 5 times? Um, no, they weren't, because Cleveland is the only city to have been. Was Boston named the most Livable City In America" just a couple of years ago? Um, no again.

What a great nickname Boston has, "Beantown," when people think about beans they think about ass-gas.

Boston's been around for a long time, and yet the people there still haven't cleaned the shit out of their mouths and learned how to speak like American's. Attention Bostonians, Rebecca is pronounced with an A sound at the end, not an R. The idiots in Boston pronounce it "Rebeccer." I'm just using that name as an example, Bostonians do that with every word that ends with an A sound.

I agree with you that car racing (neck-racing) sucks, but it still doesn't change the fact that a Clevelander won it this past weekend.

You mention that Boston is right on the ocean. That's true. That also means that you sometimes have to worry about hurricanes and other major storms that come off the ocean. Which accounts for one of the films made in the Boston area, "The Perfect Storm." A movie about some guys who were stupid enough to go out on the ocean in that shit.

Your the typical Bostonian that I've come across, unjustifiably arrogant as hell.

Go blow Joe Elliot like you know you want to.

[Enigma869]

Asshole,

Fuckhead!

You don't come close to knowing sports like I do.

Sure I don't. Listen, I'm done getting into a pissing contest with a jackass like you. Anyone who knows sports, even a little, and who has read any of the shit you've written knows which one of has the wealth of sports knowledge, and it's not you, Mr. Mistake Man!

I literally could qualify as a Baseball historian.

Sure you could! I'm sure Ken Burns consulted with you on his baseball documentary, you fucking genius!

Dead serious on this

Sure you are. Just like you were "dead serious" on how superior the embarrassing Cadeavars were to the championship Bulls team. Once again, you prove what a complete fucking moron you are!

I once met a Baseball historian who has written many books on Baseball, he and I struck up a long conversation about Baseball. After a few minutes he asked me how old I was, I told him that I was 25 (I turn 36 next month) which I was at the time. He smiled and said I've never in my life seen anyone as young as you who knows damn near everything to happen in Baseball history.

That's a touching story. It warmed the cockles of my heart. Remind me to shoot you an email the next time I need to know something about the great Joe Borowski!

I was myself a great Baseball and Football player as a kid and in my teens, as well as a Boxer.

Can I have your autograph? Who gives a fuck, dude? I mean really!!! What are you, 12? I won't get into the sports that I lettered in, because it's not really relevant to ANYTHING, and nobody gives a rat's ass!

If I didn't go into music I probably could have at least reached the minor leagues in Baseball.

Again, who gives a fuck what you "could have done"! The bus station is full of guys with "potential" and always has been! I'm sure you probably could have won the heavyweight championship as well, if you had only applied yourself, you pompous ass!

When your talking about a closer, the bottom line is Saves whether your ERA is good or not.

While I agree that ERA isn't the be all, and end all stat for closers, blown saves are a huge stat. Also, WHIP is the absolute MOST important stat for ANY pitcher, whether you're a closer or not, and Borowski's WHIP SUCKED! The guy gave up far more hits than he had innings pitched! Again, do your homework, Mr. Baseball "Historian"!

At least Borowski doesn't dance around like a fairy like that homo Papelbon.

Well, it's tough to argue with this, because I suspect that you would definitely know a "homo" when you saw one. As for Borowski's dancing or lack thereof, he's never won anything to have any reason to dance!

You keep mentioning Sabathia's weight. Being from Boston I would think you would have heard of a certain fat guy named Babe Ruth?

Right, and comparing a guy who played in 1918 to a guy who plays in 2008 makes a whole lot of sense, moron! In case you haven't noticed, a commitment to fitness and taking care of your body has changed a bit, for most professional athletes in 2008! Stop making excuses for FAT MAN! The guy is a disgrace, and makes Curt Schilling looks like he's qualified to be a Nutri-System spokesperson!

He's the guy that the Boston owner traded to the Yankees so he could finance a play.

Right..."the guy" you refer to had a name, and his name was Harry Frazee, Mr. Baseball "Historian", JACKASS!

Hey Asshole, you hear about the blockbuster trade the Cavs made today???

Hey Fuckhead...Yes, I did. LeBron deserves some help. As I said previously, he's a great player. I like Delonte West, A LOT! As for Wally Szczerbiak...he sucks! He was useless in Minnesota, He was useless in Boston, and I suspect Cleveland isn't going to offer much to inspire him. As for Wallace...Dude is WAY overpaid! He has two years and $30 million dollars left on his contract, and averages a whopping 5 points a game! He'll at least offer some rebounding help!

Was Boston named an "All American City" 5 times?

That's the great thing about Boston. We don't need any magazine's calling us an "All American City". Boston has been just that, since day one! There isn't a single city, in this entire country, who has half the history that Boston has, period, end of story!

Was Boston named the most Livable City In America" just a couple of years ago? Um, no again.

Livablility means absolutely NOTHING! One of the main factors on those livability lists is the cost of living, and Boston happens to be a VERY expensive city to live in! You'll notice on this list that Massachusetts is the third healthiest state to live in (and is ALWAYS in the top 3), and you'll also notice that 4 of the top 5 states are all in New England. Scroll down to number 20, for your middle of the road state
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921974.html

What a great nickname Boston has, "Beantown," when people think about beans they think about ass-gas.

I never claimed it was a great nickname, jackass! I simply said I'd take a bean reference over being called a mistake, ANY DAY!

You mention that Boston is right on the ocean. That's true. That also means that you sometimes have to worry about hurricanes and other major storms that come off the ocean.

You need to go back to meteorology school. Although Boston does get a hurricane once every 15 years, it's not much of an issue. Let me explain how hurricanes work, in the event you've never been to Florida. Hurricanes thrive on very warm ocean water and grow stronger with warm ocean moisture. The Atlantic Ocean is just a bit chilly in the Boston area (even in the summer), so any storms that actually do make their way that far north don't have much punch left to them!

you're a typical Bostonian that I've come across, unjustifiably arrogant as hell.

You're on here bragging about the rock and roll guys you hang out with, and how you're a baseball know it all, and how you could have become a professional baseball player, if you had just been in the mood to do it, and you're calling me arrogant? Now, that's fucking hilarious!

Go blow Joe Elliot like you know you want to.

Not sure what this reference even means, dumbass! I'm a FAR bigger Perry fan than I've ever been of Elliot! You should talk about blowing a lead singer! I have a feeling you'd let Jamison tea-bag you every night, while you were telling him about all of your baseball knowledge and how only Saves matter to closers!


John from Boston

[Journey/Survivor]

Asshole,

Fuckhead!

You don't come close to knowing sports like I do.

Sure I don't. Listen, I'm done getting into a pissing contest with a jackass like you. Anyone who knows sports, even a little, and who has read any of the shit you've written knows which one of has the wealth of sports knowledge, and it's not you, Mr. Mistake Man!

I literally could qualify as a Baseball historian.

Sure you could! I'm sure Ken Burns consulted with you on his baseball documentary, you fucking genius!

Dead serious on this

Sure you are. Just like you were "dead serious" on how superior the embarrassing Cadeavars were to the championship Bulls team. Once again, you prove what a complete fucking moron you are!

I once met a Baseball historian who has written many books on Baseball, he and I struck up a long conversation about Baseball. After a few minutes he asked me how old I was, I told him that I was 25 (I turn 36 next month) which I was at the time. He smiled and said I've never in my life seen anyone as young as you who knows damn near everything to happen in Baseball history.

That's a touching story. It warmed the cockles of my heart. Remind me to shoot you an email the next time I need to know something about the great Joe Borowski!

I was myself a great Baseball and Football player as a kid and in my teens, as well as a Boxer.

Can I have your autograph? Who gives a fuck, dude? I mean really!!! What are you, 12? I won't get into the sports that I lettered in, because it's not really relevant to ANYTHING, and nobody gives a rat's ass!

If I didn't go into music I probably could have at least reached the minor leagues in Baseball.

Again, who gives a fuck what you "could have done"! The bus station is full of guys with "potential" and always has been! I'm sure you probably could have won the heavyweight championship as well, if you had only applied yourself, you pompous ass!

When your talking about a closer, the bottom line is Saves whether your ERA is good or not.

While I agree that ERA isn't the be all, and end all stat for closers, blown saves are a huge stat. Also, WHIP is the absolute MOST important stat for ANY pitcher, whether you're a closer or not, and Borowski's WHIP SUCKED! The guy gave up far more hits than he had innings pitched! Again, do your homework, Mr. Baseball "Historian"!

At least Borowski doesn't dance around like a fairy like that homo Papelbon.

Well, it's tough to argue with this, because I suspect that you would definitely know a "homo" when you saw one. As for Borowski's dancing or lack thereof, he's never won anything to have any reason to dance!

You keep mentioning Sabathia's weight. Being from Boston I would think you would have heard of a certain fat guy named Babe Ruth?

Right, and comparing a guy who played in 1918 to a guy who plays in 2008 makes a whole lot of sense, moron! In case you haven't noticed, a commitment to fitness and taking care of your body has changed a bit, for most professional athletes in 2008! Stop making excuses for FAT MAN! The guy is a disgrace, and makes Curt Schilling looks like he's qualified to be a Nutri-System spokesperson!

He's the guy that the Boston owner traded to the Yankees so he could finance a play.

Right..."the guy" you refer to had a name, and his name was Harry Frazee, Mr. Baseball "Historian", JACKASS!

Hey Asshole, you hear about the blockbuster trade the Cavs made today???

Hey Fuckhead...Yes, I did. LeBron deserves some help. As I said previously, he's a great player. I like Delonte West, A LOT! As for Wally Szczerbiak...he sucks! He was useless in Minnesota, He was useless in Boston, and I suspect Cleveland isn't going to offer much to inspire him. As for Wallace...Dude is WAY overpaid! He has two years and $30 million dollars left on his contract, and average a whopping 5 points a game! He'll at least offer some rebounding help!

Was Boston named an "All American City" 5 times?

That's the great thing about Boston. We don't need any magazine's calling us an "All American City". Boston has been just that, since day one! There isn't a single city, in this entire country, who has half the history that Boston has, period, end of story!

Was Boston named the most Livable City In America" just a couple of years ago? Um, no again.

Livablility means absolutely NOTHING! One of the main factors on those livability lists is the cost of living, and Boston happens to be a VERY expensive city to live in! You'll notice on this list that Massachusetts is the third healthiest state to live in (and is ALWAYS in the top 3), and you'll also notice that 4 of the top 5 states are all in New England. Scroll down to number 20, for your middle of the road state
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921974.html

What a great nickname Boston has, "Beantown," when people think about beans they think about ass-gas.

I never claimed it was a great nickname, jackass! I simply said I'd take a bean reference over being called a mistake, ANY DAY!

You mention that Boston is right on the ocean. That's true. That also means that you sometimes have to worry about hurricanes and other major storms that come off the ocean.

You need to go back to meteorology school. Although Boston does get a hurricane once every 15 years, it's not much of an issue. Let me explain how hurricanes work, in the event you've never been to Florida. Hurricanes thrive on very warm ocean water and grow stronger with warm ocean moisture. The Atlantic Ocean is just a bit chilly in the Boston area (even in the summer), so any storms that actually do make their way that far north don't have much punch left to them!

you're a typical Bostonian that I've come across, unjustifiably arrogant as hell.

You're on here bragging about the rock and roll guys you hang out with, and how you're a baseball know it all, and how you could have become a professional baseball player, if you had just been in the mood to do it, and you're calling me arrogant? Now, that's fucking hilarious!

Go blow Joe Elliot like you know you want to.

Not sure what this reference even means, dumbass! I'm a FAR bigger Perry fan than I've ever been of Elliot! You should talk about blowing a lead singer! I have a feeling you'd let Jamison tea-bag you every night, while you were telling him about all of your baseball knowledge and how only Saves matter to closers!


John from Boston

I'm gonna respond to a couple of quick things, and then I'm done wasting my time arguing with you.

I know that the fucking Red Sox owner that sold Ruth to the Yankees was Harry Frazee, I just didn't think I needed to name him to you? And I know how Hurricanes work, and I know that there not common in Boston.

You argued with me several times on BT about Def Leppard and Survivor, and at times you act as if you are a bigger fan of Leppard than of Journey.

I'm done wasting time going back and forth with you.