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[4ever4Steve]

...but I think Arnel did pretty good. I didn't connect until WITS was playing...my audio was fine, but the picture just kept on breaking up. I really think Arnel will find his groove, and do justice to the "Journey sound".
Give the guy a fair chance; he probably was a nervous wreck out there tonight!
I wish him luck and the rest of the guys, because when all is said and done, I guess I wasn't really ready to see the Journey end.

Peace&Music all,
Anne

[brywool]

That does it. I've lost the connection completely.

If at any point the band was considering letting Ross have a go at "Gone Crazy" now would work really great for me.

I know that I have been ANTI-Arnel since day one. My stance has never changed.

I thought that I would give Arnel a shot tonight. Guy's this is brutal.

Any version of JSS, Augeri or even Chalfant is better.

Have fun in Vegas.

Are you serious...Listen to the boots from Journey's Atlanta show right after JSS joined the band. That was way worse than anything I've heard tonight.

exactly. The Youtube stuff is tough to hear and Neal and Jon sound out of tune which is going to wonk with Arnel's pitch. However, the 2 songs I heard, I'm encouraged. His stage presence is livelier than Augeri's so to those of you that said his presence sucked, well, YOU try playing empty bars and see how well you do, mkay?

[Rick]

400 posts in one thread in 3 hours...MR Record?

It's gotta be. What a posting party.

[ttango1]

Fuck it...let the haters hate. Their opinions won't shape yours unless you're weak-minded. All that bitchin and moanin aka BAMA didn't change Neal & Jon's choice 1 iota and why should it? Let the haters hold onto the past, this band Journey is moving forward and the Chileans will tell you they enjoyed that set.

SIL was a B- to me, when I could watch it but Lights & OA we're hauntingly familiar but different just the same. Then it cut out. I setup a RP download and will watch it on Friday. But all-in-all...That guy is the right choice and will get better & better.

[MrsPerry]

he looks and sounds about 4 years old. sorry.

[Playitloudforme]

It's not a 'hater' thing. People will have various opinions on this subject. We like what we each individually like, and there's nothing bad & wrong about either thinking Arnel walks on water or that he was shit tonight. I didn't dig it enough to bother again, but that's my choice. If someone makes me cringe when they sing, they don't get my undying support.

[MarcelJordan]

he looks and sounds about 4 years old. sorry.

This 4 year old is going to make more money than me

[treetopovskaya]

jss is a seasoned performer. he's been singing a very wide variety of songs for YEARS. including journey songs. on stage & probably behind closed doors... oh to be a fly on that wall! }=C)) i love the hell out of jss... but when he first joined... that first show... i was worried about his voice. he picked it up though. he took it & flew! jss is AMAZING... can sing anything. he was iffy here & there at first. give arnel some time... he'll pick it up too... hopefully. he just needs to take care of that voice... work with his vocal coach... and not over do it... just he himself.

i was really impressed with his stage presence... he had some really good vocal moments... and some moments not so good... give him time people. }:C) i'm sure we all weren't the best on our first day on ther job. }:CP

And like what TMC said, please don't use the excuse of "JSS's first concert with Journey was bad."

TNC was saying we SHOULD be giving him the same chance to improve like JSS did, not what you're saying he said.

JSS had to pinch hit, so it would make sense that he would get leeway. Arnel's been practicing for years (with the Zoo), and with the band for weeks. It should have been spot on. It wasn't. Did he improve during the set? Yes.. in some spots, and in others, not. I give him some leeway for his first major concert with a major band... but if he's truly the professional that Journey says he is... he should have been spot on.

When I cringe during someone's singing..that's a BAD sign. I cringed a few times.

[bluejeangirl76]

It's not a 'hater' thing. People will have various opinions on this subject. We like what we each individually like, and there's nothing bad & wrong about either thinking Arnel walks on water or that he was shit tonight. I didn't dig it enough to bother again, but that's my choice. If someone makes me cringe when they sing, they don't get my undying support.

I tuned in to see what the deal was, wondering if maybe having months of rehersal and having the actual Journey members behind him would make a difference over those YouTube videos. It didn't. But who knew? I was not that impressed. Period. Some were, some weren't... everyone has the right to like or dislike. Everyone does not have the right to start name-calling just because someone doesn't agree. That's just petty and stupid.

[kgdjpubs]

And like what TMC said, please don't use the excuse of "JSS's first concert with Journey was bad."

TNC was saying we SHOULD be giving him the same chance to improve like JSS did, not what you're saying he said.

JSS had to pinch hit, so it would make sense that he would get leeway. Arnel's been practicing for years (with the Zoo), and with the band for weeks. It should have been spot on. It wasn't. Did he improve during the set? Yes.. in some spots, and in others, not. I give him some leeway for his first major concert with a major band... but if he's truly the professional that Journey says he is... he should have been spot on.

When I cringe during someone's singing..that's a BAD sign. I cringed a few times.

Put just about ANYBODY fronting a band as big as Journey and having to sing Perry on a major festival show beaming out to all the internet, and 99% would be nervous, and the other 1% would be an idiot. Augeri sounded pretty rough at best on his first show, and it took until about halfway through the 1998 tour before he really got the hand of it. JSS has a lot more stage experience, but even with no rehearsal, he has to have been singing Journey in the shower and car for years to be able to front the band at short notice. It still took him a little while before he gelled with the rest of the band.

I doubt anybody is going to get a real idea of what Arnel can do until about halfway through the tour. Augeri didn't start getting it down until about October (after the first show in June)...and JSS took until around October/November before he started coming into his own. Ask ANYBODY who has ever performed live in front of people (singing, acting, or whatever), and they will tell you there is a huge difference between rehearsal, and performing in front of an audience. It just takes a little time, to really get into it. Add the difficulty of the material, which is probably one of the hardest catalogues in rock music to sing well, and you have just made your singer that much more nervous.

Basically, you are looking at 20-30 shows as the band and singer learn each other, and Arnel to figure out how to preserve his voice and be his own person out on stage. The bad side of this is the dvd is going to be filmed immediately, with Arnel still in the early part of the learning curve. If they waited until next year, you would see a remarkable improvement. Simply compare the stuff that Arnel has been singing on youtube forever (Open Arms, etc) with new material that he has probably never done live in front of an audience before. Practice makes perfect.

[MrsPerry]

he looks and sounds about 4 years old. sorry.

I am not hating, just giving an opinion:)

[conversationpc]

Put just about ANYBODY fronting a band as big as Journey and having to sing Perry on a major festival show beaming out to all the internet, and 99% would be nervous, and the other 1% would be an idiot. Augeri sounded pretty rough at best on his first show, and it took until about halfway through the 1998 tour before he really got the hand of it. JSS has a lot more stage experience, but even with no rehearsal, he has to have been singing Journey in the shower and car for years to be able to front the band at short notice. It still took him a little while before he gelled with the rest of the band.

I doubt anybody is going to get a real idea of what Arnel can do until about halfway through the tour. Augeri didn't start getting it down until about October (after the first show in June)...and JSS took until around October/November before he started coming into his own. Ask ANYBODY who has ever performed live in front of people (singing, acting, or whatever), and they will tell you there is a huge difference between rehearsal, and performing in front of an audience. It just takes a little time, to really get into it. Add the difficulty of the material, which is probably one of the hardest catalogues in rock music to sing well, and you have just made your singer that much more nervous.

Basically, you are looking at 20-30 shows as the band and singer learn each other, and Arnel to figure out how to preserve his voice and be his own person out on stage. The bad side of this is the dvd is going to be filmed immediately, with Arnel still in the early part of the learning curve. If they waited until next year, you would see a remarkable improvement. Simply compare the stuff that Arnel has been singing on youtube forever (Open Arms, etc) with new material that he has probably never done live in front of an audience before. Practice makes perfect.

Fair-minded and well thought out. Good job.

[conversationpc]

he looks and sounds about 4 years old. sorry.

I am not hating, just giving an opinion:)

Come on...That's not a fair-minded opinion, though.

[ScarabGator]

Im partially drunk but I thought he sounded good for his first show. I'll listen again tomorrow and make a more level headed judgement. Hell with it, I liked it, drunk, sober, high, engaged, hell.

[treetopovskaya]

amen! }:C)

And like what TMC said, please don't use the excuse of "JSS's first concert with Journey was bad."

TNC was saying we SHOULD be giving him the same chance to improve like JSS did, not what you're saying he said.

JSS had to pinch hit, so it would make sense that he would get leeway. Arnel's been practicing for years (with the Zoo), and with the band for weeks. It should have been spot on. It wasn't. Did he improve during the set? Yes.. in some spots, and in others, not. I give him some leeway for his first major concert with a major band... but if he's truly the professional that Journey says he is... he should have been spot on.

When I cringe during someone's singing..that's a BAD sign. I cringed a few times.

Put just about ANYBODY fronting a band as big as Journey and having to sing Perry on a major festival show beaming out to all the internet, and 99% would be nervous, and the other 1% would be an idiot. Augeri sounded pretty rough at best on his first show, and it took until about halfway through the 1998 tour before he really got the hand of it. JSS has a lot more stage experience, but even with no rehearsal, he has to have been singing Journey in the shower and car for years to be able to front the band at short notice. It still took him a little while before he gelled with the rest of the band.

I doubt anybody is going to get a real idea of what Arnel can do until about halfway through the tour. Augeri didn't start getting it down until about October (after the first show in June)...and JSS took until around October/November before he started coming into his own. Ask ANYBODY who has ever performed live in front of people (singing, acting, or whatever), and they will tell you there is a huge difference between rehearsal, and performing in front of an audience. It just takes a little time, to really get into it. Add the difficulty of the material, which is probably one of the hardest catalogues in rock music to sing well, and you have just made your singer that much more nervous.

Basically, you are looking at 20-30 shows as the band and singer learn each other, and Arnel to figure out how to preserve his voice and be his own person out on stage. The bad side of this is the dvd is going to be filmed immediately, with Arnel still in the early part of the learning curve. If they waited until next year, you would see a remarkable improvement. Simply compare the stuff that Arnel has been singing on youtube forever (Open Arms, etc) with new material that he has probably never done live in front of an audience before. Practice makes perfect.

[treetopovskaya]

my honest opinion is some people were just waiting to bash arnel. that is exactly what it looks like when you come here & trash him after his first show. give the guy a break. it was a crappy internet feed that kept cutting in & out. }:C|

[Playitloudforme]

Put just about ANYBODY fronting a band as big as Journey and having to sing Perry on a major festival show beaming out to all the internet, and 99% would be nervous, and the other 1% would be an idiot. Augeri sounded pretty rough at best on his first show, and it took until about halfway through the 1998 tour before he really got the hand of it. JSS has a lot more stage experience, but even with no rehearsal, he has to have been singing Journey in the shower and car for years to be able to front the band at short notice. It still took him a little while before he gelled with the rest of the band.

I doubt anybody is going to get a real idea of what Arnel can do until about halfway through the tour. Augeri didn't start getting it down until about October (after the first show in June)...and JSS took until around October/November before he started coming into his own. Ask ANYBODY who has ever performed live in front of people (singing, acting, or whatever), and they will tell you there is a huge difference between rehearsal, and performing in front of an audience. It just takes a little time, to really get into it. Add the difficulty of the material, which is probably one of the hardest catalogues in rock music to sing well, and you have just made your singer that much more nervous.

Basically, you are looking at 20-30 shows as the band and singer learn each other, and Arnel to figure out how to preserve his voice and be his own person out on stage. The bad side of this is the dvd is going to be filmed immediately, with Arnel still in the early part of the learning curve. If they waited until next year, you would see a remarkable improvement. Simply compare the stuff that Arnel has been singing on youtube forever (Open Arms, etc) with new material that he has probably never done live in front of an audience before. Practice makes perfect.

I agree that time will tell. At this stage of the game, I think my expectations on what he'd bring to table were bigger, with all the hoopla that was being spewed about how he's another Steve Perry. The material is, absolutely, harder than most out there.

With that being said, my concern goes out to the screaming that was done on some of the faster songs. Is that something that he'll improve on? Or will it get worse the more he uses his voice? How about the timing? He was slower than the music at times during the fast paced songs. That will probably improve, it has to. It drove me nuts tonight. I understand nervous... I do musical theater... trust me, I get nervous. My biggest crowd was 2000. Tonights crowd was probably bigger than he's ever done. Does that explain away the screaming or the timing? Not in my opinion. It can explain the funky notes in the beginning that gradually improved through the course of the show, but not the timing issue or the screaming of notes when they were too high for him.

I've never been impressed with what I saw on Youtube on this guy. So, I'm coming from a place of 'bowl me over, win me over'. It didn't happen. Yet. Should his voice turn golden, should he get his timing together, should he get some spark of self on stage, I might change my opinion. To date, it's not changed. Practice will help, and time will still tell.

[Deb]

I agree that time will tell. At this stage of the game, I think my expectations on what he'd bring to table were bigger, with all the hoopla that was being spewed about how he's another Steve Perry. The material is, absolutely, harder than most out there.

With that being said, my concern goes out to the screaming that was done on some of the faster songs. Is that something that he'll improve on? Or will it get worse the more he uses his voice? How about the timing? He was slower than the music at times during the fast paced songs. That will probably improve, it has to. It drove me nuts tonight. I understand nervous... I do musical theater... trust me, I get nervous. My biggest crowd was 2000. Tonights crowd was probably bigger than he's ever done. Does that explain away the screaming or the timing? Not in my opinion. It can explain the funky notes in the beginning that gradually improved through the course of the show, but not the timing issue or the screaming of notes when they were too high for him.

I've never been impressed with what I saw on Youtube on this guy. So, I'm coming from a place of 'bowl me over, win me over'. It didn't happen. Yet. Should his voice turn golden, should he get his timing together, should he get some spark of self on stage, I might change my opinion. To date, it's not changed. Practice will help, and time will still tell.

Get outta my head, Kate! My thoughts exactly!

Stone In Love, IMO, is one of the hardest ones of Perry's to cover and any singer following Perry, I have heard straining on certain parts of it. Whether it be Augeri/JSS/AP. I'm sorry, but I still think they made a mistake. AP may have SP's vocal tone.......but JSS has SP's delivery. They wanted the classic sound, and I guess that's what they have now......just doesn't WOW me.

AP/Stone In Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt8jUDo01go

JSS/Stone In Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh5jqMVc ... re=related

Granted the sound quality is a little better on JSS's, but I'm talking vocals/delivery.

[kgdjpubs]

I agree that time will tell. At this stage of the game, I think my expectations on what he'd bring to table were bigger, with all the hoopla that was being spewed about how he's another Steve Perry. The material is, absolutely, harder than most out there.

With that being said, my concern goes out to the screaming that was done on some of the faster songs. Is that something that he'll improve on? Or will it get worse the more he uses his voice? How about the timing? He was slower than the music at times during the fast paced songs. That will probably improve, it has to. It drove me nuts tonight. I understand nervous... I do musical theater... trust me, I get nervous. My biggest crowd was 2000. Tonights crowd was probably bigger than he's ever done. Does that explain away the screaming or the timing? Not in my opinion. It can explain the funky notes in the beginning that gradually improved through the course of the show, but not the timing issue or the screaming of notes when they were too high for him.

I've never been impressed with what I saw on Youtube on this guy. So, I'm coming from a place of 'bowl me over, win me over'. It didn't happen. Yet. Should his voice turn golden, should he get his timing together, should he get some spark of self on stage, I might change my opinion. To date, it's not changed. Practice will help, and time will still tell.

Your guess is as good as mine, but one thing to remember is the nervousness is not just Arnel--it's the rest of the band also. Unless they have done a VERY under the radar concert that nobody knows about, they really had no idea what to expect by putting him on the stage in front of a crowd. Another thing to consider is the how well the in-ear monitors were working. Nobody really knows if they even had time for a soundcheck--at a festival, you often do not. Screw up the vocal mix, and your singer can't even hear himself. There goes the perfect concert. The "funky notes" could simply be due to a bad sound mix, that was gradually improved over several songs. Humidity can also do wonders for a voice, good or bad. Time zones also. There's 15,000 factors that could have affected tonight's performance, and without being part of the band, we simply have no idea what was going on.

If you want the "bowl you over" performance, you are going to have to wait until mid-tour---and maybe longer than that. I'm not even convinced that Perry's first show with the band was the perfect performance he was able to do later. Singing live is simply has way too many variables to pick the issue, but confidence, and a tight band that knows each other VERY well has a lot to do with it. I was at the last Augeri show in Raleigh, and can vouch that the band did NOT play the perfect tight show, and it was just Augeri's voice cracking every 2nd note. One person gets nervous, and it's a cascade effect. Timing is essential for live music, and once one person gets off, it goes downhill fast, and it's hard to get everybody back on track. Professionalism only goes so far.

Give everyone a chance to learn each other, and what they will do in a certain situation, and you will probably see some improvement. The blow away performance is going to be when the band gets on the same page, and all cylinders are firing. I saw it from Augeri, and others got to see JSS once the band got to that level. You simply won't get that without time and a whole bunch of shows.

[conversationpc]

I'm not even convinced that Perry's first show with the band was the perfect performance he was able to do later.

I would love to hear Perry's first performance with the band. Of course, back then they weren't playing to huge crowds like they would later on.

[*Laura]

A few things now that the show's over.I had the chance to listen to the mp3 (ty,finalfight!) and hear the songs that I've missed because of the shitty streaming.

First off,IMO,the overall performance was an 8 on a 1 to 10 scale.For a fist gig together,they meshed pretty well.The rehearsing hours have nothing to do with the real live deal - the feeling,the pressure,even the technical set-up are different from what they've been doing for 3 months in that warehouse.
It's not finding excuses for the little fuck-ups at all.It's just what bands go through when they get out there with a new line-up and face the crowd for the first time.
Even if Neal,Jon and Deen have been doing this together for a long time,I am pretty sure they were nervous too,if not for the gig itself and the idea of being watched so closely,then for Arnel.Stage fright is contagious...Arnel had some of that to deal with,the others picked it up.
However, I have sensed that only in the first part of the show.The more they got into the set,the more I felt confidence in Arnel's delivery.

He just couldn't ignore the pressure completely,but my guess is that this first leg of the tour will help him get rid of anything that might keep him tensed....like:steping from a club stage onto a real stage...major pressure;knowing that he'll be compared to Steve Perry...major worries;being aware that the fanbase will listen closely to every note he utters and watch the move he makes and then X-ray him mercilessly...terrible stress.
That's enough for any singer to want to wear pampers on the first gig.

Besides all these stressful factors,the guy had to focus on his pitch,the band in the monitors,his stage presence,the connection with the audience,the lyrics,the fuckin' phonetics and maybe even a slight stomach ache or residual jetlag.
I'm enumerating all these things just to draw an accurate picture of what a singer in Arnel's situation is going through until he gets comfortable with his new band and new status.He didn't had this level of experience before,no matter how many club gigs he did.He's in the big leagues now and the game is different.

I am giving him kudos for the way he handled himself tonight.Again,I am sure that by the time Journey gets into the US with the tour he'll be comfortable with himself,the band and the stage.
All he'll have to worry about will be his health and his voice.

[Red13JoePa]

Good for Shania.

Proving why hardcore loondom and online p hotels ostricize honest objective perry fans like yourself.

[Rockindeano]

Gee what a shock.

All Annexians DCVader and Greg hated it. Complete shock.

Loons were scared . Shock.

People who can care less that he is Filipino and are of open mind like it.

Pretty much much what I had thought.


PS- you Annexians who thought he was bad. Don't lie to yourselves. He BLOWS Hunsicker out of the fucking water. You folks should parade that wackjob Sallee in here, and that littel redheaded pete n repeat to add to the "no" vote.


You all lost tonight. Enjoy the bar sized Frontiers shows.

[The_Noble_Cause]

PS- you Annexians who thought he was bad. Don't lie to yourselves. He BLOWS Hunsicker out of the fucking water.

Never been to the Annex and I think Jeremey is a better singer. More control.

[stevew2]

Gee what a shock.

All Annexians DCVader and Greg hated it. Complete shock.

Loons were scared . Shock.

People who can care less that he is Filipino and are of open mind like it.

Prety much much what I had thought.


PS- you Annexians who thought he was bad. Don't lie to yourselves. He BLOWS Hunsicker out of the fucking water.

No fucking way, Jeremey would have blown his ass away at this concert or any concert. he sucked Deano,listen again and again

[Rockindeano]

PS- you Annexians who thought he was bad. Don't lie to yourselves. He BLOWS Hunsicker out of the fucking water.

Never been to the Annex and I think Jeremey is a better singer. More control.

Pineda definitely was too hopped up on the early rockers. Hl learn. Augeri did. However, you are tone deaf if you think Jeremey can out sing this guy. Not in the same league.

[Red13JoePa]

People can take this the way they want, but to me with Augeri JSS Jeremey Pineda it's 6 in 1 a half dozen in the other, all great, all would work as frontman.

[kgdjpubs]

PS- you Annexians who thought he was bad. Don't lie to yourselves. He BLOWS Hunsicker out of the fucking water.

Never been to the Annex and I think Jeremey is a better singer. More control.

Here's the big difference between the two.....Jeremey has been doing all the songs for a while with his band. Basically every major song in the Journey catalogue (and a lot of the minor ones also). He has the nuances down, and he can probably do the greatest hits in his sleep. He is good doing Journey. He has been doing it long enough that he should be. If he was in Journey, he would sound just about like he does now. After singing the same songs for several years, just putting yourself with different musicians isn't going to dramatically change your vocal stylings on the songs.

Arnel, on the other hand, is an unknown quantity. He has been doing maybe 2 or 3 songs (OA, Sep Ways, Don't Stop Belivin) with a glorified bar band, and a host of other covers that he won't have to sing again. With the exception of those songs, he hasn't done the Journey material except in rehearsal. Nobody really knows how good he can be with 6 months to a year of touring and singing Journey under his belt.

At the moment, at least on Journey material, it is hard to compare the two. The fact that people are even comparing the two scares me somewhat, because one has been doing Journey for several years, the other for several MONTHS.

[stevew2]

PS- you Annexians who thought he was bad. Don't lie to yourselves. He BLOWS Hunsicker out of the fucking water.

Never been to the Annex and I think Jeremey is a better singer. More control.

Here's the big difference between the two.....Jeremey has been doing all the songs for a while with his band. Basically every major song in the Journey catalogue (and a lot of the minor ones also). He has the nuances down, and he can probably do the greatest hits in his sleep. He is good doing Journey. He has been doing it long enough that he should be. If he was in Journey, he would sound just about like he does now. After singing the same songs for several years, just putting yourself with different musicians isn't going to dramatically change your vocal stylings on the songs.

Arnel, on the other hand, is an unknown quantity. He has been doing maybe 2 or 3 songs (OA, Sep Ways, Don't Stop Belivin) with a glorified bar band, and a host of other covers that he won't have to sing again. With the exception of those songs, he hasn't done the Journey material except in rehearsal. Nobody really knows how good he can be with 6 months to a year of touring and singing Journey under his belt.

At the moment, at least on Journey material, it is hard to compare the two. The fact that people are even comparing the two scares me somewhat, because one has been doing Journey for several years, the other for several MONTHS.

That being said,how can you account for the fact that he sucked tonight, he had plenty of time to practice, been singin other peoples tunes for 20 plus years?? whtf? He was out of breath, He wont be able to cover Journey this summer {as I said before} Journey made the wrong choice, period,and each concert will prove it. Quote me on that again

[pinkvelvet]

Theres alot of people who doesnt think he sucked tonight. Its just a matter of opinion. I thought he did great. Maybe a little shaky at first, but in the middle he did good.