OT: New York Times article on McCain

[lights1961]

No different than Fox News.

Deal with it.

i just read drudge report and fox news has awesome babes... its why deano watches it... that and he can throw things at the tv...
just like i used to do being forced to watch CNN for 15 years before something better came along!!

MCCAIN ROCKS. he will win period.

[ohsherrie]

No actually it's the most applicable of all possible arguments because as far as we knew then, or know now, all of the examples started out in exactly the same manner as this one. We know how they came out, but we don't know how this one will.

Good thing you're not in charge of our judicial system because it sounds like you've convicted McCain already.

Whether or not it's true isn't the issue with me because he'll never make it to the White House anyway. What really gets me about it is the hypocrisy of the Republican party pundits crying foul at the allegation after the way they used the media to further their witchhunts during the Clinton administration.

Witchhunts? Weren't there several convictions that came out of that investigation? Oh wait...I forgot. That was just the "vast right-wing conspiracy" that must've bribed the judges/juries or something like that.

The VRW also made sure Clinton got disbarred too.

Yeah, you know how conservative those trial lawyers are.

Yes, it was a witchhunt. They were determined to find something wrong somewhere and spent billions of tax dollars to do it, then it didn't amount to shit compared to Watergate or Iran/Contra/Cocaine. For that matter, if the Democrats played as dirty as the Reps a lot more could have been made of Bush's Enron and savings and loan scandal involvements.

However, you're still missing the point, intentionally I'm sure, but nonetheless, there was no more hard evidence against any of these people when the stories first hit the media than there is against McCain now, but the Reps thought it was fine when the allegations were against Clinton and they made sure it stayed front and center in the media. Now that it's one of theirs though it's media bias.

[squirt1]

Get ready for this one. I'll bet this is coming from the Hillary camp since it would help het get the nomination. Bill Cunningham 700 WLW radio just mentioned Barack getting sued for some pretty bad stuff. The guy has also offered to take a lie detector. There is a journalist on now. Barrack refuses to answer. There are also no anomyous sources. I hope you hear that New York Times . It is on World Net Daily and You Tube.

[conversationpc]

However, you're still missing the point, intentionally I'm sure, but nonetheless, there was no more hard evidence against any of these people when the stories first hit the media than there is against McCain now, but the Reps thought it was fine when the allegations were against Clinton and they made sure it stayed front and center in the media. Now that it's one of theirs though it's media bias.

I'm not intentionally missing the point. The point is not valid...at all. You can only judge the allegations against McCain as they are now, not what they may be later on. If evidence comes out later, so be it. We'll look at it at that time and judge the facts accordingly. That being said, right now there are no facts so comparing it to former scandals for which there are now facts is totally absurd.

[ohsherrie]

However, you're still missing the point, intentionally I'm sure, but nonetheless, there was no more hard evidence against any of these people when the stories first hit the media than there is against McCain now, but the Reps thought it was fine when the allegations were against Clinton and they made sure it stayed front and center in the media. Now that it's one of theirs though it's media bias.

I'm not intentionally missing the point. The point is not valid...at all. You can only judge the allegations against McCain as they are now, not what they may be later on. If evidence comes out later, so be it. We'll look at it at that time and judge the facts accordingly. That being said, right now there are no facts so comparing it to former scandals for which there are now facts is totally absurd.

You're not that obtuse, but if you want to pretend to be to right ahead.

[conversationpc]

You're not that obtuse, but if you want to pretend to be to right ahead.

[Skylorde]

Not comparing. The NY Times still can prove itself, and had better. Fixed Noise has a record of Bullshit for 8 years now. You are right, there is NO comparison.

The newspaper of record LOLOLOLOLOL

[squirt1]

Thats it Fact Finder. I think you put in more explicit terms than I could use. The suit was filed 2-11. Did the NYTimes cover the subject?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Most of my conservative friends have sworn off Fox News after their handling of the Republican primaries this year.
They are disgusted.
They now know what most level-headed individuals have witnessed for years, the fix is in.
Whatever Fox is, it sure as fuck ain't conservative or honest.

Let's not forget that Fox News actually went to court over their right to lie and distort and won.

http://www.projectcensored.org/publicat ... 05/11.html

[lights1961]

Most of my conservative friends have sworn off Fox News after their handling of the Republican primaries this year.
They are disgusted.
They now know what most level-headed individuals have witnessed for years, the fix is in.
Whatever Fox is, it sure as fuck ain't conservative or honest.

Let's not forget that Fox News actually went to court over their right to lie and distort and won.

http://www.projectcensored.org/publicat ... 05/11.html

please, TNC you dont have any conservative freinds... HAHAHAHA. (sorry TNC that was way too easy....) you well know that conservative friends that liberals have
just dont want to get into it with you...its not worth the fight---because you liberals cant get over yourselfs---belive me my sister in law is exaclty that way...she is right
and we are all wrong in our beleifs. its just how liberals think. funny how they call us all rigtious and crap--but then they cant TOLERATE it when some one calls em out.



Rick

[The_Noble_Cause]

I've heard AND read the comments by both Kerry and Limbaugh in context and I agree with Beck. That doesn't make either of us "liars".

Some things simply aren’t a matter of debate.

Yes or no, did Kerry’s “stuck in Iraq” remarks come smack-dab in the middle of an anti-Bush themed comedic monologue?
Oh sure, you can psycho-analyze his subconscious and ascribe this gaffe to a larger pattern of pathological “military bashing ”, but that has nothing to do with what was actually said, or more importantly, the comedic context in which it was delivered.

-An honest Republican would admit that.

As for Rush, you have still failed to explain how his broad “phony soldiers” swipe has anything remotely to do with Jesse Macbeth. Jesse wasn’t even mentioned yet that broadcast day. Nor was Jesse mentioned by either of the two callers on the line. In fact, the topic at the time was ANY soldier who speaks to the media. Rush fucked up, just like Imus. It happens in radio.

-An honest Republican would admit that.

BTW, I love how some libtards use the word "lie" and "liars", as if because you disagree with someone and what they consider the "facts", that makes you a liar.

And when someone like CIA General Michael Hayden comes out and verifies that Valerie Plame was indeed covert, you deny that anyways.
With the advent of right wing radio, Republicans have managed to co-opt reality and conform it to their own metastizied bubble worldview.
There is no truth.
There are no facts.
And don’t you dare so much as try to get an education!!! Those college professors are all Leninist ratbag cocksuckers, didn’tchaknow?

Sorry, but I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who is a decorated and well-respected General. To say that he was "pimped out", especially by a hypocrite like Olbermann, is beyond the pale,..

Yeah, now if only Bush gave the same benefit of doubt to Gen. Shinseki, Casey and Abizaid, right?
Oh wait. Forget about that. And while we’re at it, let’s conveniently omit the fact that the entire GOP 2004 re-election campaign was built around trampling on decorated military valor.
Little purple hearts worn on band aids and all that, remember? I don’t care about the foggy particulars of Kerry’s Vietnam service. That is fucking filthy.
A disgrace to any soldier ever put in harm’s way - past or future.



At one point I too was willing to give Petraeus the benefit of the doubt, until the much ballyhooed “Petraeus Report” was revealed to have been written by none other than White House apparatchiks.
Surprise, surprise.

A few additional things to bear in mind:

1)Petraeus has confided to others that he harbors presidential aspirations
2)Just weeks before the 2004 election he penned a political op-ed for the NY Times praising the success in Iraq.
3)Under his watch in 2004, 190,000 AK-47 assault guns given to Iraqi security forces went missing

Clearly then, it was General Petraeus, and no one else, who placed himself squarely at the epicenter of a political shitstorm. Chelsea Clinton on the other hand is just helping out her mother. For the most part she has actually declined interviews with the press on the campaign trail. Factoring in her gender, “pimped out” takes on an even uglier association than usual.
AND I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE CLINTONS!

...especially when what he said has been borne out by drastically reduced violence in Iraq, despite the seeming lack of political progress.

Thanks to us teaming up with tribal militias.
Yup, like that won’t come back to sting us in the shitpipe.

[The_Noble_Cause]

please, TNC you dont have any conservative freinds... HAHAHAHA. (sorry TNC that was way too easy....) you well know that conservative friends that liberals have
just dont want to get into it with you...its not worth the fight---

Not at all. Like the founding fathers, there is nothing i like more than getting shitty at a tavern and quarreling politics.
Yes, I have been strangled discussing domestic policy.

...and we are all wrong in our beleifs. its just how liberals think. funny how they call us all rigtious and crap--but then they cant TOLERATE it when some one calls em out.

Rick

Rick, you do realize Limbaugh, Beck and Savage are all pulling your leg, right?
Those guys are either one-time drug addicts, homosexuals or multiple divorcees.
In some cases, they are all of the above.
Conservatism is a myth. It is not the natural human condition.
As Hannity is apt to say "I'm only an entertainer!"
You should start heeding his advice.