Not impressed

[youkeepmewaiting]

OR you could watch the show, and then have a more valid opinion? YOU FUCKING RETARDED CHIMP

LOL. You think this is bad? Try debating with him/her/it.

What in hell is wrong with you people? EVERYONE is allowed to have an opinion on a message board. I honestly thought everyone in here was an adult, or a reasonable facsimile but then again after this crap I think I am dealing with mental midgets or 1st graders.

Does your life really rotate around whether someone likes or dislikes AP? If it truly does then pull the plug from the wall and go outside. The plain fact of the matter is, Journey or any other band couldn't give 2 shits in hell about it's fans, the only thing they are concerned about is the bottom line - the dollar.

It gets a little old reading the names, the fingers being pointed at someone for being "racist", people claiming that someones comments in a thread was offensive. Post your opinion, whether someone likes it or not, move along, name calling doesn't solve anything. Get over it and yourself.

In closing, it doesn't bother me one fucking (no I didnt just say that ) bit , nor will I lose sleep whether you like me or not.

Why did you quote me?

a.) My remark was directed to Youkeepmewaiting, in reference to Ohsherrie. Not you.

b.) My remark about "he/she/it" is not an insult, merely ignorance of his/her/it's gender.
c.) My remark, while perhaps not particularly kind, was neither the harshest statement issued on this forum or untrue. Ohsherrie has a right to an opinion, but he/she/it can't debate or argue it for shit.

"It" is not a gender. "It" is inanimate. "It" is a pronoun. Ohsherrie is a human being, the same as you. Ohsherrie is a he or a she, the "it" was uncalled for. Evidently you "debated" with this person and didn't like the outcome.

I quoted you because you "lol" and your following statement fell directly in line with the language that was used against this person. In other words you helped load the gun.

Fuck me! Someone was refered to as "it"! Quick, arrest that man as once. Hang the bastad!

[7 Wishes]

You're right. You've been slamming everyone who says anything negative about Pineda. I haven't slandered anyone for liking him. I merely expressed MY OPINION on a relevant thread.

Put a cork in it, greenie. Go home to mommy.

[RocknRoll]

FUCK OFF.

It doesn't HELP Pineda that he is so short. PERRY IS ONLY THREE INCHES TALLER, BUT TEN MILLION TIMES THE SHOWMAN THAT PINEDA IS.

You greenies sure spew a lot of crap these days. I remember being under 21. You have all the answers, don't ya? And you're gonna put everyone in his or her proper place, right?

UP YOURS. Read the post. If that is a "bigoted" post, I'm the Queen of England.

HE IS NOT A GOOD FRONT MAN. He is a good singer. JOURNEY IS A GREAT BAND that should demand nothing less.

I like him as the lead singer of Zoo. I DON'T LIKE HIM AS JOURNEY'S VOCALIST.

7 Wishes - Just Curious. What is your definition of a good frontman?

[Strange Medicine]

FUCK OFF.

It doesn't HELP Pineda that he is so short. PERRY IS ONLY THREE INCHES TALLER, BUT TEN MILLION TIMES THE SHOWMAN THAT PINEDA IS.

Perhaps a little clarity would help, next time? So then, incidents like this won't get your metaphorical thong in a bunch.

You greenies sure spew a lot of crap these days. I remember being under 21. You have all the answers, don't ya? And you're gonna put everyone in his or her proper place, right?

When they are out of place, I tend to put them back, yes. Call it obsessive compulsion, if you want. The fact that you're all older should incur a little wisdom and sense of logic on your part. Since you clearly fail to live up to your responsibilities, the new generation must lend a hand.

UP YOURS. Read the post. If that is a "bigoted" post, I'm the Queen of England.

No need to be rude, Your Highness.

HE IS NOT A GOOD FRONT MAN. He is a good singer. JOURNEY IS A GREAT BAND that should demand nothing less.

I like him as the lead singer of Zoo. I DON'T LIKE HIM AS JOURNEY'S VOCALIST.

I'm afraid you put far too much stock in "stage presence". I saw the crowd in that video go nuts around Arnel. 15,000 rabid fans > you.

[7 Wishes]

Someone who OWNS the crowd, whether or not his voice is fantastic.

Not a big Stones fan, but Jagger does have it all as a front man.

The ideal front man can sing like Bach or Perry or Mercury and own the crowd...like Bach, Perry, Mercury, or most of all, Diamond Dave and Steven Tyler.

I've been singing in rock bands for 20 years. I was never the best singer, but no-one ever left disappointed...because I gave everything every night, was a complete headbanging SOB, and interacted constantly with the crowd. I played in front of as few as 9 people and as many as 1,200. I didn't know the difference.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Someone who OWNS the crowd, whether or not his voice is fantastic.

Not a big Stones fan, but Jagger does have it all as a front man.

The ideal front man can sing like Bach or Perry or Mercury and own the crowd...like Bach, Perry, Mercury, or most of all, Diamond Dave and Steven Tyler.

I've been singing in rock bands for 20 years. I was never the best singer, but no-one ever left disappointed...because I gave everything every night, was a complete headbanging SOB, and interacted constantly with the crowd. I played in front of as few as 9 people and as many as 1,200. I didn't know the difference.

Are you this wasnt just one gig? The crowd started off as 1,200 and 9 stuck it out 'till the end?

[7 Wishes]

Perhaps a little clarity would help, next time? So then, incidents like this won't get your metaphorical thong in a bunch.

When they are out of place, I tend to put them back, yes. Call it obsessive compulsion, if you want. The fact that you're all older should incur a little wisdom and sense of logic on your part. Since you clearly fail to live up to your responsibilities, the new generation must lend a hand.

I'm afraid you put far too much stock in "stage presence". I saw the crowd in that video go nuts around Arnel. 15,000 rabid fans > you.

Sure. You were certainly being clear with your all-out assassination of anyone who didn't like Pineda.

I'm out of place? Journey was the reason I became a musician in the first place. The band has been a huge part of my life for almost 30 years. So yeah, I do have a much larger frame of reference. And you are the ones who are attacking anyone who doesn't like Pineda. I wouldn't have ever known who you were if you youngsters hadn't started going after me in the first place.

And Chileans don't need an excuse to party. Journey hasn't played there in 25 years, if at all. They would have gone nuts for Ronald McDonald or Bruce Sutter as the lead singer.

[Strange Medicine]

"It" is not a gender. "It" is inanimate. "It" is a pronoun. Ohsherrie is a human being, the same as you. Ohsherrie is a he or a she, the "it" was uncalled for.

I can see that, aside from tossing out accusations abroad and wearing your heart on your sleeve, you're also ignorant of simple biology. Have you ever heard of a hermaphrodite? An individual with the reproductive organs of both genders? They are clinically referred to as "it"; unless you can prove that there was absolutely no chance of a hermaphrodite registering on internet forums and posting, the same as other genders, I'll consider this Strange Medicine covering his intellectual ass. Wouldn't want to offend any hermaphrodites...

Evidently you "debated" with this person and didn't like the outcome.

LOL. I love your conclusion, Dr. Freud, but I admit: I though you were dead.

I quoted you because you "lol" and your following statement fell directly in line with the language that was used against this person. In other words you helped load the gun.

Clearly not, as you've yet to prove it.

[RocknRoll]

So 7 Wishes what do you think AP could/should have done differently? What I saw looked pretty good, but maybe I don't have the same perspective you have.

[7 Wishes]

Are you this wasnt just one gig? The crowd started off as 1,200 and 9 stuck it out 'till the end?

The only time that happened was when my crimson-with-flames spandex pants ripped and my skinny little ass popped out. Guys barfed in revulsion and women ran terror-stricken into the night.

[7 Wishes]

So 7 Wishes what do you think AP could/should have done differently? What I saw looked pretty good, but maybe I don't have the same prospective you have.

No, I just have an (extremely vociferous) opinion.

I think Pineda COULD improve if he gets into the "zone"...where the music takes his heart and soul away.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Are you this wasnt just one gig? The crowd started off as 1,200 and 9 stuck it out 'till the end?

The only time that happened was when my crimson-with-flames spandex pants ripped and my skinny little ass popped out. Guys barfed in revulsion and women ran terror-stricken into the night.

To be fair, that sounds like something Diamond Dave would do

[Strange Medicine]

Sure. You were certainly being clear with your all-out assassination of anyone who didn't like Pineda.

Sir, it's best not to assume. If I might be permitted the vanity of quoting myself on Youkeepmewaiting's thread:

People aren't morons for "not letting go of the past" or not enjoying Arnel Pineda. It's all about the logic behind their thoughts (which, granted, a lot of them seem to lack).

Most of your argument was irretrievably flawed. I'm not here to change your opinion or regard it as foolish, but when your reasoning is foolish, chances are that I will say something. If you don't like it, you have two easy options: you can ignore it or (the best one) you can simply come to conclusions based on reasonable points.

[Perrydise]

I can see that, aside from tossing out accusations abroad and wearing your heart on your sleeve, you're also ignorant of simple biology. Have you ever heard of a hermaphrodite? An individual with the reproductive organs of both genders? They are clinically referred to as "it"; unless you can prove that there was absolutely no chance of a hermaphrodite registering on internet forums and posting, the same as other genders, I'll consider this Strange Medicine covering his intellectual ass. Wouldn't want to offend any hermaphrodites.

The term used is "intersexual".

[youkeepmewaiting]

I can see that, aside from tossing out accusations abroad and wearing your heart on your sleeve, you're also ignorant of simple biology. Have you ever heard of a hermaphrodite? An individual with the reproductive organs of both genders? They are clinically referred to as "it"; unless you can prove that there was absolutely no chance of a hermaphrodite registering on internet forums and posting, the same as other genders, I'll consider this Strange Medicine covering his intellectual ass. Wouldn't want to offend any hermaphrodites.

The term used is "intersexual".

Well if Strangegrey offended any hermaphrodites on this board, i'm sure he will be the first too apologise

[7 Wishes]

Most of your argument was irretrievably flawed. I'm not here to change your opinion or regard it as foolish, but when your reasoning is foolish, chances are that I will say something. If you don't like it, you have two easy options: you can ignore it or (the best one) you can simply come to conclusions based on reasonable points.

Just because you want to make this a fact, does not make it such.

I have stated valid counterpoints to your assertions. All you have done is call me out for not liking Pineda. You have made NO ARGUMENT whatsoever, let alone a convincing one.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Most of your argument was irretrievably flawed. I'm not here to change your opinion or regard it as foolish, but when your reasoning is foolish, chances are that I will say something. If you don't like it, you have two easy options: you can ignore it or (the best one) you can simply come to conclusions based on reasonable points.

Just because you want to make this a fact, does not make it such.

I have stated valid counterpoints to your assertions. All you have done is call me out for not liking Pineda. You have made NO ARGUMENT whatsoever, let alone a convincing one.

And you have made no valid argument..accept that AP is too short

[Strange Medicine]

Most of your argument was irretrievably flawed. I'm not here to change your opinion or regard it as foolish, but when your reasoning is foolish, chances are that I will say something. If you don't like it, you have two easy options: you can ignore it or (the best one) you can simply come to conclusions based on reasonable points.

Just because you want to make this a fact, does not make it such.

I have stated valid counterpoints to your assertions. All you have done is call me out for not liking Pineda. You have made NO ARGUMENT whatsoever, let alone a convincing one.

No.

You've stated a.) he was short and b.) he's got no stage presence.

You've yet to substantiate or demonstrate either. You've just, in essence, expressed your opinion without the merit of support. It's like me saying "Soto is terrible because he sounds shitty on every Journey song not called "Edge of the Blade". It's an opinion, but it doesn't mean much.

Furthermore, as I've already quoted myself stating that I have no problem with people disliking Pineda. Since you clearly wish to argue contrary, I suppose you suffer from selective vision.

[7 Wishes]

Sigh.

You youngsters don't use reason...you just wear us out!

I gave a very comprehensive explanation of what (to me) constitutes a great "front man" and also provided several examples. I also supplied you with more than one reason why Pineda is not (yet) stellar as such.

So what does it boil down to other than opinions? Give it a rest already.

Those of us who GREW UP on Journey and SAW STEVE PERRY know what this band is really capable of. You will NEVER KNOW what it's like to see Perry up there, and I am sorry for that. But your frame of reference is narrow...you're going to take whatever comes down the pike.

When you get to be a little older, you won't blithely accept what's presented to you as "the best" if you have known otherwise.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Sigh.

You youngsters don't use reason...you just wear us out!

I gave a very comprehensive explanation of what (to me) constitutes a great "front man" and also provided several examples. I also supplied you with more than one reason why Pineda is not (yet) stellar as such.

So what does it boil down to other than opinions? Give it a rest already.

Those of us who GREW UP on Journey and SAW STEVE PERRY know what this band is really capable of. You will NEVER KNOW what it's like to see Perry up there, and I am sorry for that. But your frame of reference is narrow...you're going to take whatever comes down the pike.

When you get to be a little older, you won't blithely accept what's presented to you as "the best" if you have known otherwise.

Yes but Perry isnt coming back, so surely we should just move on?

[7 Wishes]

Let me "substantiate" my assertion, then.

Pineda does not interact with the crowd very well.

He seems cowed.

He doesn't move around much.

He is too focused on replicating every tone and syllable in each song that he presents as a clone, not an individual.

He doesn't capitalize very well on the higher ebbs of the audience's emotional flow.

He doesn't look at the audience nearly enough.


Anything else, sir?

[pinkvelvet]

Let me "substantiate" my assertion, then.

Pineda does not interact with the crowd very well.

He seems cowed.

He doesn't move around much.

He is too focused on replicating every tone and syllable in each song that he presents as a clone, not an individual.

He doesn't capitalize very well on the higher ebbs of the audience's emotional flow.

He doesn't look at the audience nearly enough.


Anything else, sir?

From the clips that Ive seen, he was running around the stage and doing jumps. which clips did u base this from? He doesnt interact with the crowd? is that why the people that went to the show gave him good reviews? Check out the youtube clips, nothing but good comments on there from the people that went to the show. they loved him.

[7 Wishes]

Mostly negative comments here from people who have seen it.

[Strange Medicine]

From the clips that Ive seen, he was running around the stage and doing jumps. which clips did u base this from? He doesnt interact with the crowd? is that why the people that went to the show gave him good reviews? Check out the youtube clips, nothing but good comments on there from the people that went to the show. they loved him.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Mostly negative comments here from people who have seen it.

Most negative comments here from peolpe who have seen it but have been unable to give there opinion any valid points that actually make sense* is what i think you meant to say.

And actually, i think the ratio of comments is pretty even so far, if not more in APs favour

[treetopovskaya]

i saw arnel interacting very well with the crowd. running around so much i thought he might run & fall off the stage! he was slapping & grabbing hands... all the time with a big smile on his face. he has a lot of energy & is just so damn adorable... & very likable. }=C))

'any way you want it'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiorGSffQDA

[donnaplease]

Let me "substantiate" my assertion, then.

Pineda does not interact with the crowd very well.

He seems cowed.

He doesn't move around much.

He is too focused on replicating every tone and syllable in each song that he presents as a clone, not an individual.

He doesn't capitalize very well on the higher ebbs of the audience's emotional flow.

He doesn't look at the audience nearly enough.


Anything else, sir?

I agree with most of what you say, Daniel. I was less impressed with the clips I saw than I expected to be. Stone in Love was absolutely awful, but I thought Chain Reaction was pretty good. He did move around on the stage a little more than I expected him to, but I didn't 'feel it' when he was trying to interact with the audience and the rest of the band. He tried to interact with Ross once, and I felt like Ross was kinda stand-offish to him.

I guess part of my problem is that I saw 4 Journey shows with JSS last year, and after seeing him as the frontman, that is what I am expecting. So I was disappointed on a few levels.

I don't know if he can acclimate himself to the task at hand or not. He has a lot of work to do before he can fill the previous lead singers' shoes, IMO.

[7 Wishes]

Thankfully, a fellow voice of middle-aged reason pipes in!

Donna, these rookies never saw Perry. They don't know how high the bar was set.

[pinkvelvet]

Let me "substantiate" my assertion, then.

Pineda does not interact with the crowd very well.

He seems cowed.

He doesn't move around much.

He is too focused on replicating every tone and syllable in each song that he presents as a clone, not an individual.

He doesn't capitalize very well on the higher ebbs of the audience's emotional flow.

He doesn't look at the audience nearly enough.


Anything else, sir?

I agree with most of what you say, Daniel. I was less impressed with the clips I saw than I expected to be. Stone in Love was absolutely awful, but I thought Chain Reaction was pretty good. He did move around on the stage a little more than I expected him to, but I didn't 'feel it' when he was trying to interact with the audience and the rest of the band. He tried to interact with Ross once, and I felt like Ross was kinda stand-offish to him.

I guess part of my problem is that I saw 4 Journey shows with JSS last year, and after seeing him as the frontman, that is what I am expecting. So I was disappointed on a few levels.

I don't know if he can acclimate himself to the task at hand or not. He has a lot of work to do before he can fill the previous lead singers' shoes, IMO.

You also have to consider the fact that Arnel has never played in a stage that big before. He is used to playing little clubs in the Philippines. Its quite a big jump when u think about it. I think he did pretty good for his "first time".

[JH'sTXfan]

i saw arnel interacting very well with the crowd. running around so much i thought he might run & fall off the stage! he was slapping & grabbing hands... all the time with a big smile on his face. he has a lot of energy & is just so damn adorable... & very likable. }=C))

'any way you want it'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiorGSffQDA

At the end, the 3:25 mark, I like how his ah..ah..ah..ahh..ah was finished off with Neal hitting that high note. Pretty cool.