Should Journey Retire or Keep Touring?

[ohsherrie]

Then you guys are too young to know any better and can therefore be forgiven.

Perhaps.

Though if our mistakes can be forgiven on the basis of youth, what means do you have of reconciling your lackluster arguments and inability to support your opinions?

Senility?

Excuse me? Inability to support my opinions?

My opinions are supported by history and reality. If you don't know that then arguing against your uninformed opinion is a waste of my time.

Lackluster? You should be thankful that I don't have the time or energy right now to really bring it on.

Senile? If I wanted to teach you what it's really like to go up against me in a Journey argument you'd wish I was.

Now, I'm not going to read, let alone respond to any more of your posts because I don't want to have to get that rough on a kid who can't possibly know any better. Take on some of your contemporaries. The board seems to be teeming with them.

[squirt1]

Geez- What OhSherrie said!!! If you have never seen SP live then settle for WAAYYYY less. I will say Jeff Soto did a fantastic tour. He was a pro and a real musician. Even Jedd would tell you about Perry. This tour should be billed as a musical circus. Send in the clowns would be a great cover song. Maybe they could even get Judy Collins to open.

[Strange Medicine]

Then you guys are too young to know any better and can therefore be forgiven.

Perhaps.

Though if our mistakes can be forgiven on the basis of youth, what means do you have of reconciling your lackluster arguments and inability to support your opinions?

Senility?

Excuse me? Inability to support my opinions?

My opinions are supported by history and reality. If you don't know that then arguing against your uninformed opinion is a waste of my time.

Lackluster? You should be thankful that I don't have the time or energy right now to really bring it on.

Senile? If I wanted to teach you what it's really like to go up against me in a Journey argument you'd wish I was.

Now, I'm not going to read, let alone respond to any more of your posts because I don't want to have to get that rough on a kid who can't possibly know any better. Take on some of your contemporaries. The board seems to be teeming with them.

Now, how am I supposed to take this seriously? It has all the merit of "I could so kick your ass... but I don't feel like it right now... you're lucky..." -- in essence, an idle threat. Really, Ohsherrie, this would be another of the unsupported claims you've been credited with. Now, we don't have to argue, but I thought that I would address this.

[lparn]

at this point they are ruining the legacy of the band and music that Steve Perry helped to create.
I think they made alot of mistakes in the past 2 years and to me this is not Journey.
preserve the legacy and pack it in and move on,.
Let it pass with some dignity

[Rockindeano]

at this point they are ruining the legacy of the band and music that Steve Perry helped to create.
I think they made alot of mistakes in the past 2 years and to me this is not Journey.
preserve the legacy and pack it in and move on,.
Let it pass with some dignity

But you were ok with the band when your favorite singer, Augeri, was lipping the entire catalog? I don't know, but I would think a Philipino singing live is doing far less harm than a singer well, not singing, but saying he was?

Answer that one?

[youkeepmewaiting]

Then you guys are too young to know any better and can therefore be forgiven.

Perhaps.

Though if our mistakes can be forgiven on the basis of youth, what means do you have of reconciling your lackluster arguments and inability to support your opinions?

Senility?

Excuse me? Inability to support my opinions?

My opinions are supported by history and reality. If you don't know that then arguing against your uninformed opinion is a waste of my time.

Lackluster? You should be thankful that I don't have the time or energy right now to really bring it on.

Senile? If I wanted to teach you what it's really like to go up against me in a Journey argument you'd wish I was.

Now, I'm not going to read, let alone respond to any more of your posts because I don't want to have to get that rough on a kid who can't possibly know any better. Take on some of your contemporaries. The board seems to be teeming with them.

Now, how am I supposed to take this seriously? It has all the merit of "I could so kick your ass... but I don't feel like it right now... you're lucky..." -- in essence, an idle threat. Really, Ohsherrie, this would be another of the unsupported claims you've been credited with. Now, we don't have to argue, but I thought that I would address this.

Some more Sherrie genius as always i see

[brywool]

a month ago, I woulda said retire. Now I'm excited to see what happens. I'd even go see them at this point. Something I wouldn't have done with the last version.

[brywool]

Journey is how these guys earn a living. No-one has a right to take that away from them.

Thats kinda the bottom line a lot of us forget....

Yep. If they didn't need the money, I'm sure they'd be living it up with Sammy down in Cabo.

Speakin of Sammy, any idea how much he's worth? I heard 200 million after sale of that Tequila company.

And Ed didn't want him to do it. Geez, what a brain he must have...

[Rockindeano]

Speakin of Sammy, any idea how much he's worth? I heard 200 million after sale of that Tequila company.

I would think Steve Perry has more bank than Sammy. He had many more hits, many more lucrative years than Sam. The Tequila company must really be worth some major coin.

[lparn]

at this point they are ruining the legacy of the band and music that Steve Perry helped to create.
I think they made alot of mistakes in the past 2 years and to me this is not Journey.
preserve the legacy and pack it in and move on,.
Let it pass with some dignity

But you were ok with the band when your favorite singer, Augeri, was lipping the entire catalog? I don't know, but I would think a Philipino singing live is doing far less harm than a singer well, not singing, but saying he was?

Answer that one?

Bottom line is that everyone has their own opinion and theory or whatever on whether that is what happened or not
If I choose to believe one way or another that is completely up to me. I do not see why I have to defend myself everytime this subject comes up. It is getting old.
I personally, whether SA knows it, cares or apprecaites it or not, support him and believe what I believe and believed at that time. I hear things from people also, people that I know and trust.
I have seen the youtube clips of ap and I am not impressed and do not care for the guy and for the way the band handled things with SA and with JSS. They treated JSS like c..p also.
I am entiltied to my opinion on what happened and think it is beating a dead horse how this whole tg thing has to be
brought up as a way to attack and trash SA just because people say they enjoyed or liked him with the band. It is because of this kind of trashing and attacking of him that he probably, as brought up in this very forum in dec, thinks that the journey fans hate him and do not support him etc and why we have not heard anything about his plans or appearances etc. and the only people that know anything are those "close to him" and that are not saying as we all hate him, it is a vicious circle. I for one am tired of it. I am not sorry that I supported and continue to support him. I will call myelf a moron retard and needing help to save time and trouble.
To me this is not "Journey" and I can not and will not spend my money to see them anymore.
A poll was posted and I responded expressing my opinion and how I see things,.
With cheap trick and heart cutting out alot of their hits, I am not interested in seeing this tour.,
My opinion and my money. Unless by some miracle they are going to get Perry to come back which I highly doubt, I do not see the point. don't see the point in asking people their opinion if we are not entiltiled to it.

[Rockindeano]

Bottom line is that everyone has their own opinion and theory or whatever on whether that is what happened or not
If I choose to believe one way or another that is completely up to me. I do not see why I have to defend myself everytime this subject comes up. It is getting old.
I personally, whether SA knows it, cares or apprecaites it or not, support him and believe what I believe and believed at that time. I hear things from people also, people that I know and trust.
I have seen the youtube clips of ap and I am not impressed and do not care for the guy and for the way the band handled things with SA and with JSS. They treated JSS like c..p also.
I am entiltied to my opinion on what happened and think it is beating a dead horse how this whole tg thing has to be
brought up as a way to attack and trash SA just because people say they enjoyed or liked him with the band. It is because of this kind of trashing and attacking of him that he probably, as brought up in this very forum in dec, thinks that the journey fans hate him and do not support him etc and why we have not heard anything about his plans or appearances etc. and the only people that know anything are those "close to him" and that are not saying as we all hate him, it is a vicious circle. I for one am tired of it. I am not sorry that I supported and continue to support him. I will call myelf a moron retard and needing help to save time and trouble.
To me this is not "Journey" and I can not and will not spend my money to see them anymore.
A poll was posted and I responded expressing my opinion and how I see things,.
With cheap trick and heart cutting out alot of their hits, I am not interested in seeing this tour.,
My opinion and my money. Unless by some miracle they are going to get Perry to come back which I highly doubt, I do not see the point. don't see the point in asking people their opinion if we are not entiltiled to it.

I simply asked you a question, and it was not tasteless or namecalling.

You say now, that Journey is tarnishing, ripping up the legacy with Arnel. I simply asked you, how can you say this, while your guy(SA), was lipping entire shows? Do you not see that as a total jab to Mr. Perry? I do. I see it as "fuck, let's cash in on these songs that we didn't write and now aren't even doing justice to by not even singing them live (lipping)."

Unless you believe he did NOT lip, in which you would in the 1% minority as basically everyone admits to it now, I think my questions is fair and valid. I am not trashing Augeri, just pointing out the facts.

Now try to answer it honestly.

[brywool]

Then you guys are too young to know any better and can therefore be forgiven.

Perhaps.

Though if our mistakes can be forgiven on the basis of youth, what means do you have of reconciling your lackluster arguments and inability to support your opinions?

Senility?

Excuse me? Inability to support my opinions?

My opinions are supported by history and reality. If you don't know that then arguing against your uninformed opinion is a waste of my time.

Lackluster? You should be thankful that I don't have the time or energy right now to really bring it on.

Senile? If I wanted to teach you what it's really like to go up against me in a Journey argument you'd wish I was.

Now, I'm not going to read, let alone respond to any more of your posts because I don't want to have to get that rough on a kid who can't possibly know any better. Take on some of your contemporaries. The board seems to be teeming with them.

Actually, your opinions always seem to be supported by your love of 'what was'. I saw Perry with Journey 5 or 6 times. I saw Augeri as well. Missed JSS. It will never be what it was with Perry- COMPLETELY NEW. It CAN be similar with other singers and new tunes and it can be good, but you won't even allow for the possibility. ONE show and you just hate the band now. You hated them before the show. For you guys (because I keep seeing these 'we feel' posts) to just live in the past is such a drag and kind of embarrassing. You sound like my parents "Dang, them Beatles'll never be as good as my Johnny Ray".

Then, when the band has power problems, you're all waiting for it to be the new guy's fault. If you don't like Journey without Perry, then what are you here for? Perry's not been around for years now and he wasn't around years before that. While Perry made Journey what it was, he's also directly responsible for Augeri, Jss, and Arnel (who you seem to think is the Anti-Christ). Had Perry not left, not stuck the band on the eve of their comeback tour- NONE of this would be going on today. Why anybody would hang out just to argue about a band that has not been together for 12 years as if they are around today is beyond me. By the way, to say something positive, your avatar is the funniest one here. Sorry, I just don't get the anti-Arnel sentiment.

[Deb]

Then you guys are too young to know any better and can therefore be forgiven.

Perhaps.

Though if our mistakes can be forgiven on the basis of youth, what means do you have of reconciling your lackluster arguments and inability to support your opinions?

Senility?

Excuse me? Inability to support my opinions?

My opinions are supported by history and reality. If you don't know that then arguing against your uninformed opinion is a waste of my time.

Lackluster? You should be thankful that I don't have the time or energy right now to really bring it on.

Senile? If I wanted to teach you what it's really like to go up against me in a Journey argument you'd wish I was.

Now, I'm not going to read, let alone respond to any more of your posts because I don't want to have to get that rough on a kid who can't possibly know any better. Take on some of your contemporaries. The board seems to be teeming with them.

Actually, your opinions always seem to be supported by your love of 'what was'. I saw Perry with Journey 5 or 6 times. I saw Augeri as well. Missed JSS. It will never be what it was with Perry- COMPLETELY NEW. It CAN be similar with other singers and new tunes and it can be good, but you won't even allow for the possibility. ONE show and you just hate the band now. You hated them before the show. For you guys (because I keep seeing these 'we feel' posts) to just live in the past is such a drag and kind of embarrassing. You sound like my parents "Dang, them Beatles'll never be as good as my Johnny Ray".

Then, when the band has power problems, you're all waiting for it to be the new guy's fault. If you don't like Journey without Perry, then what are you here for? Perry's not been around for years now and he wasn't around years before that. While Perry made Journey what it was, he's also directly responsible for Augeri, Jss, and Arnel (who you seem to think is the Anti-Christ). Had Perry not left, not stuck the band on the eve of their comeback tour- NONE of this would be going on today. Why anybody would hang out just to argue about a band that has not been together for 12 years as if they are around today is beyond me. By the way, to say something positive, your avatar is the funniest one here. Sorry, I just don't get the anti-Arnel sentiment.

I agree with most of your post Brywool. We'll never see what we got with the Perry-fronted Journey ever again......sad, but true. And I'm not expecting that, he's one of a kind. So if my expectations are not set sky high, I'm not let down. IMO, JSS delivered/emoted the most like Perry and I became a full fledged Journey fan again. Saying that, just because the other Journey frontmen didn't float my boat when it came to delivering those songs.......I have nothing what so ever against them, they are just living out their dream like SP and JSS were. Not giving up on Arnel though after watching the clip of Faithfully from last week, in parts I saw him bring it with some soul. He'll never match the soul/delivery I saw in SP/JSS right from the get go.......but I'm intrigued enough to check them out again.

[brywool]

I agree with most of your post Brywool. We'll never see what we got with the Perry-fronted Journey ever again......sad, but true. And I'm not expecting that, he's one of a kind. So if my expectations are not set sky high, I'm not let down. IMO, JSS delivered/emoted the most like Perry and I became a full fledged Journey fan again. Saying that, just because the other Journey frontmen didn't float my boat when it came to delivering those songs.......I have nothing what so ever against them, they are just living out their dream like SP and JSS were. Not giving up on Arnel though after watching the clip of Faithfully from last week, in parts I saw him bring it with some soul. He'll never match the soul/delivery I saw in SP/JSS right from the get go.......but I'm intrigued enough to check them out again.

Jss had the soul, NO QUESTION. At times, he sounded black to me. Not that shitty Justin Timberlake do a run fake black, but James Brown black. By the way, how does a white dude get that kind of black sound??? I wanna know! But he didn't have the range for the catalog. I did hear one show where I was blown away by him and quite possibly, that could've been the way that the band was going, but we'll never know. In 98% of the shows I heard, that 'crooner' quality wasn't there and neither was the range. A lot of it sounded like he was stuggling with the songs. Soul and Range. That's what Journey sound is. Perry had that blend of crooner and soul. Jss's voice just doesn't sound like Journey to me, and I like the guy's voice, just not singing these songs. I think the deal that he did with Schon that was a single (damn, I can't remember it "Believe in Me"?) I LOVED that song and when I heard that, I was ready to commit to him and the band. However, when I go see Journey, I wanna hear new stuff, but I also wanna hear the classics, and for me, he didn't cover them well. Some yes, most no. I'd have still listened to them, but I don't think I'd have gone to a show. With Arnel, I hear the soul in him when he sings Open Arms and Faithfully. I believe in what the guy's singing. I also hear the range for the first time since Perry's been gone. With Augeri, I liked him too, but live, he didn't have the power. I think he's better on record and I totally think that the Tall Stories album was better for him. Not better songs, but better for him. Having said that, Higher Place is one of my all time Journey favorites. I LOVED what Augeri brought to the albums. Live, he needed help.

[wildone]

Fuck it my opinion the boys should fuckin pack it in ....they made there $$$$$$$ and will have checks rolling in that there grandkids will be spending long after they're gone!So they've been away from there own families long enough stay at home and be a dad or grandads and reconnect and have fun with them lifes to fuckin short!!you've put your 30 plus in so time for that gold watch!! Just my opinion!

[Deb]

I agree with most of your post Brywool. We'll never see what we got with the Perry-fronted Journey ever again......sad, but true. And I'm not expecting that, he's one of a kind. So if my expectations are not set sky high, I'm not let down. IMO, JSS delivered/emoted the most like Perry and I became a full fledged Journey fan again. Saying that, just because the other Journey frontmen didn't float my boat when it came to delivering those songs.......I have nothing what so ever against them, they are just living out their dream like SP and JSS were. Not giving up on Arnel though after watching the clip of Faithfully from last week, in parts I saw him bring it with some soul. He'll never match the soul/delivery I saw in SP/JSS right from the get go.......but I'm intrigued enough to check them out again.

Jss had the soul, NO QUESTION. At times, he sounded black to me. Not that shitty Justin Timberlake do a run fake black, but James Brown black. By the way, how does a white dude get that kind of black sound??? I wanna know! But he didn't have the range for the catalog. I did hear one show where I was blown away by him and quite possibly, that could've been the way that the band was going, but we'll never know. Then I heard that Deen was singing a lot of what I was hearing. In 98% of the shows I heard, that 'crooner' quality wasn't there and neither was the range. That's what Journey sound is. Perry had that blend of crooner and soul. Jss's voice just doesn't sound like Journey to me, and I like the guy's voice, just not singing these songs. I think the deal that he did with Schon that was a single (damn, I can't remember it "Believe in Me"?) I LOVED that song and when I heard that, I was ready to commit to him and the band. However, when I go see Journey, I wanna hear new stuff, but I also wanna hear the classics, and for me, he didn't cover them well. Some yes, most no. I'd have still listened to them, but I don't think I'd have gone to a show. With Arnel, I hear the soul in him when he sings Open Arms and Faithfully. I believe what the guy's singing. With Augeri, I liked him too, but live, he didn't have the power. I think he's better on record and I totally think that the Tall Stories album was better for him. Not better songs, but better for him. Having said that, Higher Place is one of my all time Journey favorites. I LOVED what Augeri brought to the albums. Live, he needed help.

True, and that word right there is what puts Steve Perry, Eric Martin and Jeff Scott Soto at the top of my vocalists list. Much more about the delivery than the range for me. JSS has great range, if you delve into his vast catalogue, but sure he can't hit those glass shattering highs Perry did on the early stuff. But truth be told that wasn't my favorite part of Perry's vocals anyway. IMO, those 3 exceed at delivering a rocker with passion and a ballad with soul.

Higher Place is definitely my favorite post-Perry Journey song also.

[brywool]

I agree with most of your post Brywool. We'll never see what we got with the Perry-fronted Journey ever again......sad, but true. And I'm not expecting that, he's one of a kind. So if my expectations are not set sky high, I'm not let down. IMO, JSS delivered/emoted the most like Perry and I became a full fledged Journey fan again. Saying that, just because the other Journey frontmen didn't float my boat when it came to delivering those songs.......I have nothing what so ever against them, they are just living out their dream like SP and JSS were. Not giving up on Arnel though after watching the clip of Faithfully from last week, in parts I saw him bring it with some soul. He'll never match the soul/delivery I saw in SP/JSS right from the get go.......but I'm intrigued enough to check them out again.

Jss had the soul, NO QUESTION. At times, he sounded black to me. Not that shitty Justin Timberlake do a run fake black, but James Brown black. By the way, how does a white dude get that kind of black sound??? I wanna know! But he didn't have the range for the catalog. I did hear one show where I was blown away by him and quite possibly, that could've been the way that the band was going, but we'll never know. Then I heard that Deen was singing a lot of what I was hearing. In 98% of the shows I heard, that 'crooner' quality wasn't there and neither was the range. That's what Journey sound is. Perry had that blend of crooner and soul. Jss's voice just doesn't sound like Journey to me, and I like the guy's voice, just not singing these songs. I think the deal that he did with Schon that was a single (damn, I can't remember it "Believe in Me"?) I LOVED that song and when I heard that, I was ready to commit to him and the band. However, when I go see Journey, I wanna hear new stuff, but I also wanna hear the classics, and for me, he didn't cover them well. Some yes, most no. I'd have still listened to them, but I don't think I'd have gone to a show. With Arnel, I hear the soul in him when he sings Open Arms and Faithfully. I believe what the guy's singing. With Augeri, I liked him too, but live, he didn't have the power. I think he's better on record and I totally think that the Tall Stories album was better for him. Not better songs, but better for him. Having said that, Higher Place is one of my all time Journey favorites. I LOVED what Augeri brought to the albums. Live, he needed help.

True, and that word right there is what puts Steve Perry, Eric Martin and Jeff Scott Soto at the top of my vocalists list. Much more about the delivery than the range for me. JSS has great range, if you delve into his vast catalogue, but sure he can't hit those glass shattering highs Perry did on the early stuff. But truth be told that wasn't my favorite part of Perry's vocals anyway. IMO, those 3 exceed at delivering a rocker with passion and a ballad with soul.

Higher Place is definitely my favorite post-Perry Journey song also.

Yeah, for me, it was the range then the soul. It was amazing and made you go "WHOA!" and then the soul kept you a fan. Chicks' mileage may vary. At least you're not just slaggin' the new guy off because he's not in Teen Beat like Perry was. Some of the posts I read here seem to be coming from that place.

[tammy]

Jss had the soul, NO QUESTION. At times, he sounded black to me. Not that shitty Justin Timberlake do a run fake black, but James Brown black. By the way, how does a white dude get that kind of black sound??? I wanna know! [/quote]


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brywool, that first part made me laugh...and, I just remembered that Steve Martin movie (ack, can't think of the name where he says, "when I was a small black child").
Anyway, I have to look at the big picture...a lot of people are touched by this music. When I see the happy crowds or hear the reviews by excited fans, especially from other countries, such as Chile, which had never even seen Journey in their hey day...well, who wants to take that away from them? I am all for anything that makes people feel happy & connected...there is just so much bad stuff in the world and a lot of mundane routine...people deserve a tiny bit of happiness & good times...no need to tear them down for that. And, no need to tear down AP. He along with SP, SA, JSS followed their dream & it happened to take them through Journey...they each have their own talent. It is what it is...can't change the past decisions by the band (as if we could lol.)...but, they also made the BEST decision - and, that was bringing Steve Perry in.

[pinkvelvet]

Great post Tammy! Totally agree with u on that.
When it all comes down to it, what realy matters
is that people are enjoying the music and having a rockin
time at the show. And it seems like the band has captured
new audiences not only internationally, but the younger crowd
as well.

[Matthew]

Jss had the soul, NO QUESTION. At times, he sounded black to me. Not that shitty Justin Timberlake do a run fake black, but James Brown black.

Brywool - what's got into you tonight? You're normally pretty sound on most things but tonight you're barking mad.

[chf34jmac]

It's always refreshing to see that certain members here will no matter what continue to blame 100% of the whole TG thing squarely on SA. Funny considering when JSS was canned that same certain member publicly apologized for raking SA over the coals.Can't have it both ways. Either they tarnished the legacy by TG as a WHOLE or they didn't tarnish it. Which is it?

[brywool]

Jss had the soul, NO QUESTION. At times, he sounded black to me. Not that shitty Justin Timberlake do a run fake black, but James Brown black.

Brywool - what's got into you tonight? You're normally pretty sound on most things but tonight you're barking mad.

,
haha, with that quote, I'm not sure what you mean. I just hear a black sound to JSS on the boots I heard. I DON'T hear it on the studio stuff. You probably mean cuz I'm digging Arnel. I dunno, I'm super excited about the guy. I was excited about Augeri because I was already into Tall Stories, but he's got nothing on Arnel. Sorry, I'm enthusiastic about Journey which I haven't been since "Remember Me" came out. and the black comment was a compliment to JSS. I'd love to be able to get that sound.

[Rockindeano]

It's always refreshing to see that certain members here will no matter what continue to blame 100% of the whole TG thing squarely on SA. Funny considering when JSS was canned that same certain member publicly apologized for raking SA over the coals.Can't have it both ways. Either they tarnished the legacy by TG as a WHOLE or they didn't tarnish it. Which is it?

It's ok, you can mention my name, I don't mind. They were all guilty, as I have said.

Sorry no table scraps for you tonight. Try another angle.

[chf34jmac]

Well if they were all guilty as you "said" Then why single out one guy out of five to slam on the message boards?
Not looking for table scraps, just some honesty for once without the flip flop.

[Matthew]

Jss had the soul, NO QUESTION. At times, he sounded black to me. Not that shitty Justin Timberlake do a run fake black, but James Brown black.

Brywool - what's got into you tonight? You're normally pretty sound on most things but tonight you're barking mad.

,
haha, with that quote, I'm not sure what you mean. I just hear a black sound to JSS on the boots I heard. I DON'T hear it on the studio stuff. You probably mean cuz I'm digging Arnel. I dunno, I'm super excited about the guy. I was excited about Augeri because I was already into Tall Stories, but he's got nothing on Arnel. Sorry, I'm enthusiastic about Journey which I haven't been since "Remember Me" came out.

It's not my intention to stamp on your buzz about the new line-up or any other line-up, Brywool. But to say that JSS sounds as black and soulful as James Brown...and that Arnel is better than mid-80s Perry....well, they are eccentric comments, to put it mildly.

I actually like JSS and Arnel. I just don't think they are legends or true originals. Superior 'hack' professionals to be sure...but not up there with the greats.

[Rockindeano]

Well if they were all guilty as you "said" Then why single out one guy out of five to slam on the message boards?
Not looking for table scraps, just some honesty for once without the flip flop.

You want honesty? I have publicly said they were all guilty as well as and most importantly, Azoff, because it was his fucking idea in the first place.

Next question.

[Matthew]

Well if they were all guilty as you "said" Then why single out one guy out of five to slam on the message boards?
Not looking for table scraps, just some honesty for once without the flip flop.

Deano and The Chief having handbags at ten paces? I never thought I'd see the day....

[Rockindeano]

Chief, stop your witch hunt.

Leslie made a remark about Journey tarnishing the legacy going on with Pineda. I respectfully asked her how this was worse than her boy SA paying his respects to the classic songs written by Perry by lipping? There were no names being called and no swearing. She opted to not post a reply, and I assume she couldn't figure out how to spin it favourably.

So just what the fuck is your point?

[chf34jmac]

I'll agree with maybe partially honest because at the outset of the whole thing you went after SA as the complete and total lone gunman and nobody else was involved.

I can dig all the way back through the forums and bring up the quotes if I absolutely have to but I'd rather not. No mention of anybody until months after SA was canned.

[brywool]

Jss had the soul, NO QUESTION. At times, he sounded black to me. Not that shitty Justin Timberlake do a run fake black, but James Brown black.

Brywool - what's got into you tonight? You're normally pretty sound on most things but tonight you're barking mad.

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haha, with that quote, I'm not sure what you mean. I just hear a black sound to JSS on the boots I heard. I DON'T hear it on the studio stuff. You probably mean cuz I'm digging Arnel. I dunno, I'm super excited about the guy. I was excited about Augeri because I was already into Tall Stories, but he's got nothing on Arnel. Sorry, I'm enthusiastic about Journey which I haven't been since "Remember Me" came out.

It's not my intention to stamp on your buzz about the new line-up or any other line-up, Brywool. But to say that JSS sounds as black and soulful as James Brown...and that Arnel is better than mid-80s Perry....well, they are eccentric comments, to put it mildly.

I actually like JSS and Arnel. I just don't think they are legends or true originals. Superior 'hack' professionals to be sure...but not up there with the greats.

Matthew, I said LIVE. LIVE Arnel sounds better than 86 LIVE Perry. See, I took that outta my original post and didn't complete the thought. With the James Brown comment, I heard that kind of quality in his voice. NOT the way he sang, but just his vocal mechanism. I don't expect you to understand what I'm getting at. If I knew what it was, I'd learn it! But he just had this soul quality to it. That was cool.