Why the whole JSS things still burns a little...

[venomnation]

You know, I'm happy that they found Arnel...in his time, I think he'll do just fine. I think they should stray from the hits a little, but I think he'll do fine. But part of me is still just a little burned by the whole way JSS was "ousted". And tonight as I was surfin my music collection, I came across a real good indication of why I feel that way.

Jeff Scott Soto - Edge Of The Blade

there's a good likleyhood a lot of people have heard that - but I still want some opinions on the thought...

[dcvader]

I am with you about how the JSS thing went down. Arnel does nothing for me.

I have never heard this version.. where is it from?

[Ehwmatt]

Soul Sirkus - Coming Home is why the whole JSS thing still burns.... not the way Jeff sang the shit I've already listened to a million times. Oh what could have been in terms of new material...

[StoneCold]

You know, I'm happy that they found Arnel...in his time, I think he'll do just fine. I think they should stray from the hits a little, but I think he'll do fine. But part of me is still just a little burned by the whole way JSS was "ousted". And tonight as I was surfin my music collection, I came across a real good indication of why I feel that way.

Jeff Scott Soto - Edge Of The Blade

there's a good likleyhood a lot of people have heard that - but I still want some opinions on the thought...

I like.

[larryfromnextdoor]

i had put that band on a pedestal for many years.. but im still burned myself by the way they treated JSS.. they used him...

heck neal himself is the biggest fibber.. my rock guitar hero.. "if S.A. was lipping i didnt know because i didnt have him in my monitor..." so silly its a laugh riot.. HA HA....add pic.. :shock: look below.. if you didnt see this at the theatre then you stink......

[Rick]

I am with you about how the JSS thing went down. Arnel does nothing for me.

I have never heard this version.. where is it from?

I believe that's from B-Sides.

[texafana]

Horrible version of Edge Of The Blade. How many steps lower is that? If this is what alot of you think Journey "should/could" have been with JSS on board, then obviously you're a bigger fan of JSS than Journey.

[Andrew]

Horrible version of Edge Of The Blade. How many steps lower is that? If this is what alot of you think Journey "should/could" have been with JSS on board, then obviously you're a bigger fan of JSS than Journey.

It was Talisman doing their revision on a classic track. Not a straight cover and not meant to be heard as such.

You should hear Soto on Faithfully. WOW

[Lula]

don't know much about "steps lower," but i do know jeff scott soto can sing circles around many. it's cool if you don't get it. i thought jeff was the best thing to happen to journey after the embarrassing fiasco of tapegate. his integrity and talent was more than enough to redeem the band in my eyes. letting him go was a huge mistake in my opinion. i hate to say i'm apathetic at this point, but i really don't care what they do anymore. kinda sucks.

[venomnation]

I am with you about how the JSS thing went down. Arnel does nothing for me.

I have never heard this version.. where is it from?

I believe that's from B-Sides.

It is indeed on my B-Sides CD.. though I don't recall if that's official release or not because all my originals are long since put in storage...

[larryfromnextdoor]

Horrible version of Edge Of The Blade. How many steps lower is that? If this is what alot of you think Journey "should/could" have been with JSS on board, then obviously you're a bigger fan of JSS than Journey.

hey dinglenuts.. have you ever felt that you just stepped into it hook line and sinker? of course you have ,, just now... its 2 steps lower and just another expression of a great song.. what do you want??? another version of the same song? this version is tough .. and fun... and rockin.... your making rock music much too complicated..

take this version to non beleivers, and they love it ...

[venomnation]

Horrible version of Edge Of The Blade. How many steps lower is that? If this is what alot of you think Journey "should/could" have been with JSS on board, then obviously you're a bigger fan of JSS than Journey.

It was Talisman doing their revision on a classic track. Not a straight cover and not meant to be heard as such.

You should hear Soto on Faithfully. WOW

I have heard him on faithfully - without journey present - and I've got his "Send her my love" too - both VERY VERY good...

[7 Wishes]

JSS is a ROCK STAR. Fucking brilliant. He OWNED Charlotte on his third gig even though he hadn't adapted his voice quite yet. He BLEW AWAY Joe Elliott. He BLEW AWAY Augieri. He blows away Pineda.

[treetopovskaya]

yeah tex! you must have fallen on your head if you don't like this... it *bleep* rocks! love love love talisman! }=C))

Horrible version of Edge Of The Blade. How many steps lower is that? If this is what alot of you think Journey "should/could" have been with JSS on board, then obviously you're a bigger fan of JSS than Journey.

It was Talisman doing their revision on a classic track. Not a straight cover and not meant to be heard as such.

You should hear Soto on Faithfully. WOW

[treetopovskaya]

dp }:C)

[Rhiannon]

hey dinglenuts..

[Deb]

Horrible version of Edge Of The Blade. How many steps lower is that? If this is what alot of you think Journey "should/could" have been with JSS on board, then obviously you're a bigger fan of JSS than Journey.

hey dinglenuts.. have you ever felt that you just stepped into it hook line and sinker? of course you have ,, just now... its 2 steps lower and just another expression of a great song.. what do you want??? another version of the same song? this version is tough .. and fun... and rockin.... your making rock music much too complicated..

take this version to non beleivers, and they love it ...

Wow Lar, you're kinda hot when you get all protective-like!

[ProgRocker53]

Fact: JSS blows away every Journey frontman not named Steve Perry.

[texafana]

Fact: JSS blows away every Journey frontman not named Steve Perry.

I don't know peeps....granted, I will hands down agree 100% that JSS as a front man judged on his own, blows away Steve Perry, Arnel, Steve A, and probably 90% of any rock front man that ever lived! But that STILL doesn't make him the right man for the lead singer of Journey in my "ears". Notice I typed "front man" not vocalist. Journey needs a vocalist more than a front man in my opinion. I could care less about the look, the antics, etc.

For you peeps that wanted JSS with Journey, you had that in a band called Soul Sirkus.

Warning: This video/song kicks amazing ass!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-KpUyTZ976U&feature=related

[mistiejourney]

Fact: JSS blows away every Journey frontman not named Steve Perry.

Yes, grasshopper! You have learned well.

[Marzdog]

Tex,

I respectfully disagree with you and here is why. VH did it right with Hagar, and they were able to go in a slightly different direction with Hagar, crossing over into Top40 land and still maintaining their "Classic Rock" status, which still won over a large portion of the fan base that was there when DLR was on vox. Sure, there was divide amongst the fan base, much like what you find here with Journey, but, one cannot deny the success VH had with Hagar. Journey wasn't able to achieve that with Augeri. IMHO, JSS coming into the fold gave Journey the different dynamic that I felt (not that I am anyone special) would take them "beyond the clones."

JSS was able to sing the older catalog/dirty dozen, albeit not like Perry did, but, he did provide a rougher edge to those songs. The "new frontier" of Journey, with JSS on lead vox, I believe, would have taken them the route of what many call VanHagar, and more towards what Neal ALWAYS has wanted to do, which was take Journey away from the ballads and more to the rock side. JSS' song "Believe In Me" more than adequately shows where this whole thing could've gone, while still "retaining" Journey's sound.

SS most certainly wasn't Journey being fronted by JSS, which, the majority of the 2007 tour showed.

Anyways, we all have our own opinions on this, many heated, many civil. I will give Arnel a shot. I'm not entirely sold, but, he did get better as the night went on at Vina. Unfortunately, I feel that Journey has painted themselves into a corner with Arnel. With him, they basically will never be able to escape the "Perry sound" that brought the HUGE success to Journey. By doing this, Journey as a business is saying that THEY weren't relevant before Perry and are "quietly" attributing their success to him. JSS' vocal style would have taken them into a different direction in concert, allowing them to possibly cut down the "dirty dozen" in order for newer music to take its place, the way VH eventually did with Hagar.

I wish them all of the best. Truth be told, Journey's WORST CD, whichever CD each of us feels that is, is far better than a good amount of the music that is out or has come out in the past 10 years, and for that, we should all be proud!

I don't know peeps....granted, I will hands down agree 100% that JSS as a front man judged on his own, blows away Steve Perry, Arnel, Steve A, and probably 90% of any rock front man that ever lived! But that STILL doesn't make him the right man for the lead singer of Journey in my "ears". Notice I typed "front man" not vocalist. Journey needs a vocalist more than a front man in my opinion. I could care less about the look, the antics, etc.

For you peeps that wanted JSS with Journey, you had that in a band called Soul Sirkus.

Warning: This video/song kicks amazing ass!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-KpUyTZ976U&feature=related

[7 Wishes]

Texfana, I love ya, but you wouldn't say that if you had ever seen Perry live.

[Just Sara]

You know, I'm happy that they found Arnel...in his time, I think he'll do just fine. I think they should stray from the hits a little, but I think he'll do fine. But part of me is still just a little burned by the whole way JSS was "ousted". And tonight as I was surfin my music collection, I came across a real good indication of why I feel that way.

Jeff Scott Soto - Edge Of The Blade

there's a good likleyhood a lot of people have heard that - but I still want some opinions on the thought...

EOTB is one of my favorite Journey songs. I like this version as well but the original will always be my favorite. Thanx for sharing!

I am also torn by my newfound love for Journey (more on that later) and my love for JSS. What really gets to me is that I was under the impression that Jeff and Neal were friends. So why would Neal let this happen?
I don't so much mean why'd he let the band fire Jeff in the first place. If Journey didn't want to move forward with Jeff after all, fine. If it's gunna happen it's gunna happen. But as a friend, I would've liked to think that Neal would made sure it happened in a much smoother and more professional way. So much for friendship...

That being said, on to the newfound love for Journey. I enjoyed watching Arnel perform with the group (via youtube) much more than I thought I would. I think a part of it might've been because I didn't actually think it would happen. Another part because I was happy that Arnel got this wonderful opportunity. I was definitely impressed with his stage presence which I didn't know he had (I'm sure being able to perform for such a huge crowd contributed in that department!). I wouldn't put him in the same category as Perry or JSS but he held his own and I was thrilled for him.

Another part could be that since seeing Kelly Hanson (sp?) with Foreigner last summer, I think I have let go of some of my strong opinions against bands hiring sound-a-likes. Kelly sounds like Lou Gramm but judging from old concert videos of Lou and seeing Kelly live, he is not Lou Gramm. Nor do I feel like he's trying to be Lou Gramm when he's onstage and because of that I could get over the sound-a-like issue and just enjoy the show (which was awesome btw!!!).
I got the same feeling from watching Arnel at the Chile concert. He sounds a bit like Perry but he wasn't trying to be Perry.
Heck, I got more of a Perry vibe from JSS than Arnel.

So yeah, I'm still quite upset over what happened to Jeff but I'm now a little excited to see what Arnel brings to the table.

To summarize, I agree, SteveK!

[Indyjoe]

JEFF SCOTT SOTO is the best!

Keep an eye out for his new CD is coming out this Spring/Summer. You can check out his tour dates here too...

www.myspace.com/sewtoe
www.jeffscottsoto.com

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

I think I read a post from Jeff on this forum a few months ago suggesting that we ought to let the bitterness go- something to the effect of "if you like what Journey sound like in the future its ok to listen to it." (apologies if I ve mis read or misquoted)

I'd still be perfectly happy to bash Journey on Jeffs behalf but clearly thats not the way he wants it, and doing so would only make Jeff look bad. Jeff clearly wants the highroad, and who am I as a fan to disagree?

None of this was Arnel's fault (hes just living out a dream we all have) and if I feel like going to a concert venue, having a few beers hearing the dirty dozen sung live in a fashion which does a fair amount of justice to Perry's sound , I'll go pay and do it. It won't be a brilliant, but it won't be too bad either.

If on the other hand I totally want to rock my ass off ,have the time of my life, raise my fist and celebrate a world class rock music that reflects a wonderfully eclectic artistic approach, I'll go listen to Jeff- both live (like Im doing Sunday in Dudley ) and through his new CD's.

BTW Jeff's version of Edge of the Blade rocks - his version of Rubicon is fantastic as well

[finalfight]

You know, I'm happy that they found Arnel...in his time, I think he'll do just fine. I think they should stray from the hits a little, but I think he'll do fine. But part of me is still just a little burned by the whole way JSS was "ousted". And tonight as I was surfin my music collection, I came across a real good indication of why I feel that way.

Jeff Scott Soto - Edge Of The Blade

there's a good likleyhood a lot of people have heard that - but I still want some opinions on the thought...

Meh. Not great, I preferred the JSS live take. For me I guess the song just plays better faster. Slowing it down didn't make it sound heavier just more workman-like and plodding.

[texafana]

Tex, I respectfully disagree with you and here is why. VH did it right with Hagar, and they were able to go in a slightly different direction with Hagar, crossing over into Top40 land and still maintaining their "Classic Rock" status, which still won over a large portion of the fan base that was there when DLR was on vox. Sure, there was divide amongst the fan base, much like what you find here with Journey, but, one cannot deny the success VH had with Hagar. Journey wasn't able to achieve that with Augeri. IMHO, JSS coming into the fold gave Journey the different dynamic that I felt (not that I am anyone special) would take them "beyond the clones."

I'm not against change, but I am against change at a certain age in the band's history. VH was young enough in the history of the band to give the new direction time to perculate. And with all due respect to JSS, Sammy Hagar was a much more popular vocalist at the time of the lead vocal switch for Van Halen. There was immediate name recognition with SH when he joined VH. The "fan split" you mention was easier to overcome for VH because Sammy brought alot of fans over from his base that helped fill in the gap for those DLR fans that jumped ship. All VH&SH needed to do was write some good music, the fans were already there waiting for the new material. And luckily for them, they did.

JSS was able to sing the older catalog/dirty dozen, albeit not like Perry did, but, he did provide a rougher edge to those songs. The "new frontier" of Journey, with JSS on lead vox, I believe, would have taken them the route of what many call VanHagar, and more towards what Neal ALWAYS has wanted to do, which was take Journey away from the ballads and more to the rock side. JSS' song "Believe In Me" more than adequately shows where this whole thing could've gone, while still "retaining" Journey's sound.."

Agreed, JSS would have taken Journey to a more rockin direction, which......isn't Journey. At least it's not the Journey the majority of fans ultimately want to hear. If that was the case, Soul Sirkus would have become a huge mega popular band. Let's face it, for those of you that wanted a more rockin Journey, Soul Sirkus was it! JSS & Neal had their chance to do everything you (and alot of others in this forum) are stating, they wanted to do. They had an incredible line up of musicians, talent, etc. So why didn't Soul Sirkus become the major act it should have been? Seriously, some of the songs kicked ass, I don't understand how this project was so much under the radar!

Anyways, we all have our own opinions on this, many heated, many civil. I will give Arnel a shot. I'm not entirely sold, but, he did get better as the night went on at Vina. Unfortunately, I feel that Journey has painted themselves into a corner with Arnel. With him, they basically will never be able to escape the "Perry sound" that brought the HUGE success to Journey. By doing this, Journey as a business is saying that THEY weren't relevant before Perry and are "quietly" attributing their success to him. JSS' vocal style would have taken them into a different direction in concert, allowing them to possibly cut down the "dirty dozen" in order for newer music to take its place, the way VH eventually did with Hagar. I wish them all of the best. Truth be told, Journey's WORST CD, whichever CD each of us feels that is, is far better than a good amount of the music that is out or has come out in the past 10 years, and for that, we should all be proud!

My personal opinion is, I don't want to hear a "more rockin Journey". Separate Ways, Keep On Runnin, Edge Of The Blade is about as hard as I want "Journey" to be. To me Journey is all about the flowing melodic vocals, the lush harmonies, guitar leads that sing, keys that fill up all the ambient holes in the music, etc. I've heard Jeff sing "Wings Of Freedom", I've seen JSS in concert where I was 10ft away from him when he was singing "Send Her My Love". His voice just doesn't say "Journey". The first time I heard Arnel sing Send Her My Love with Journey, it just sounded more like Journey again. Now could Arnel sing "Eyes Of Love" or "Stand Up And Shout"? Maybe, but he couldn't hold a candle to JSS on those songs.

If this was 10 years ago or longer, JSS with Journey would have more time for the "fan split" to rebound. But at their ripe old age, the Journey camp made the right decision to keep things more legacy oriented. The way I look at it, if this is Journey's last big hoorah before they finally announce "I'm done", if Steve P wasn't willing to get off his lazy ass and perform with the band one more time (and prove to the nay sayers he still has "the voice"), then they needed someone who could sing the classics AND possibly some new material close to the legacy sound, and I think they have that with Arnel. It truly would not surprise me at all if Journey finally announces their intent to call it quits after their next studio release and tour.

[Eric]

JSS is a ROCK STAR. Fucking brilliant. He OWNED Charlotte on his third gig even though he hadn't adapted his voice quite yet. He BLEW AWAY Joe Elliott. He BLEW AWAY Augieri. He blows away Pineda.

Thats the thing....he is a rock star. And Joe Elliot even said from JSS's first gig with Journey, the Leps needed to step it up a notch a two. (And I don't feel like they did btw)

[X factor]

JSS is a ROCK STAR. Fucking brilliant. He OWNED Charlotte on his third gig even though he hadn't adapted his voice quite yet. He BLEW AWAY Joe Elliott. He BLEW AWAY Augieri. He blows away Pineda.

You nailed it, man.
JSS gave them the one thing they'll NEVER have again...CREDIBILITY!!!!!

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

You know, I'm happy that they found Arnel...in his time, I think he'll do just fine. I think they should stray from the hits a little, but I think he'll do fine. But part of me is still just a little burned by the whole way JSS was "ousted". And tonight as I was surfin my music collection, I came across a real good indication of why I feel that way.

Jeff Scott Soto - Edge Of The Blade

there's a good likleyhood a lot of people have heard that - but I still want some opinions on the thought...

you don't have to ask me cuz ya know how I feel. but I'll tell you anyway.

I went to 10 Journey concerts last year just to hear Jeff sing this song. (well, that could be a slight exaggeration but i really really like him singing EOTB. poor guy, I think he knew it too. I'm normally so quiet and shy....)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZOM_T3o-4Q