Oh for crying out LOUD...!

[stevew2]

This is the Legacy sound, rehashing Be Good..... What a joke, Band is washed up, Im not buying shit from these relics

come on Steve- This incarnation of the band could've recorded Stairway to Heaven, Hey Jude, or the entire Escape album and I think you'd still say this stuff, right?

No I wouldnt, The whole song is a rip off of Be Good, only a few chords rearrangements and the words, even the harmonies are almost the same, your a singer you can hear it cant you ??

[The_Noble_Cause]

No I wouldnt, The whole song is a rip off of Be Good, only a few chords rearrangements and the words, even the harmonies are almost the same, your a singer you can hear it cant you ??

Not even close.

[Triple S]

If anything, this song has moments, (just a few sparse moments), which sounds like a hybrid of the best parts from "Never Too Late" and "Believe in Me".
Big deal.

That's exactly what I hear also, more so than BGTY. Either way, no big deal to me either - I have no standards , I just like what I like and will buy what I like.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

No I wouldnt, The whole song is a rip off of Be Good, only a few chords rearrangements and the words, even the harmonies are almost the same, your a singer you can hear it cant you ??

Not even close.

I'm going to be honest - I listened to it before reading this thread and I did not think of Be Good To Yourself when I heard it. In fact, now that I see a lot of people think it sounds a little like BGTY, I STILL don't hear it.

[stevew2]

This is the Legacy sound, rehashing Be Good..... What a joke, Band is washed up, Im not buying shit from these relics

Gee, never saw that coming from you. Well, now that you've heard some new music and come to that "conclusion," I guess there's no point in you hanging around, right? Oh wait, if it was Jeremey singing with "these relics" you'd be all over it.

Who in the fuck are you?? There is no point you hangin around hear either, Backtalk would be glad to have you. IF Jemerey would sing that song and it sounded like Be Good, I would say so also.They had other tunes they could have released, the band they has made it clear they going to sound like they same old shit, this just proves it. Oh thats so bad of me to say that,I dont agree with you so I better just go away,somebody thinking different might upset you or threaten you

[slucero]

Then stop listening to them... get on with your life... does it not strike you as "odd" that the "message" of Journey's music.... uplifting and positive is not exemplified in the negative posts?

Those of us who like it ... like it...

Those of use who don't... don't....

but thats the only "choice" we have... unless you have a direct pipeline to Jon or Neal.... and can convince them to your opinion...

Wow. Umm.. slucero. Isn't this a Journey forum where we, the fans, discuss that band and what we've heard? That's what I'm doing. And you're coming back at me with a lot of hostility. Why is that? Does something I've said threaten you in some manner?

No hostility.... I've not called u a name... defamed you at all...

You've posted a lot in this thread.... as is your right.... and for the most part negatively.

I just hate to think that someone coming here for the first time, because maybe they've heard Journey had a new singer, and there was this "buzz" surrounding them.... would not even bother to give the new band a chance... after reading your negative posts...

Call me an advocate for the positive...

[slucero]

This is the Legacy sound, rehashing Be Good..... What a joke, Band is washed up, Im not buying shit from these relics

Gee, never saw that coming from you. Well, now that you've heard some new music and come to that "conclusion," I guess there's no point in you hanging around, right? Oh wait, if it was Jeremey singing with "these relics" you'd be all over it.

Who in the fuck are you?? There is no point you hangin around hear either, Backtalk would be glad to have you. IF Jemerey would sing that song and it sounded like Be Good, I would say so also.They had other tunes they could have released, the band they has made it clear they going to sound like they same old shit, this just proves it. Oh thats so bad of me to say that,I dont agree with you so I better just go away,somebody thinking different might upset you or threaten you

There is no BackTalk....

[STORY_TELLER]

but I think they lose their legitimacy as a band when they 100% rehash what they did before. Very ironic when Caveman says "I'm not interested in a nostalgia act".

Now u have me thinking u are either: prone to hyperbole, hating asians, or simply aren't all that familiar with Journey's catalogue.
In any case, you'd be well advised to take an appointment with ur family audiologist under serious advisement.

If anything, this song has moments, (just a few sparse moments), which sounds like a hybrid of the best parts from "Never Too Late" and "Believe in Me".
Big deal.

Oh, okay. Like most people on this board, you can't have a discussion without throwing in insults, especially the race card, to distract from the issue being discussed.

First of all, I'm a musician. Not by profession, but I know how to play and I learn songs by ear. So that blows the "audiologist" insult away.

Secondly, It would help if you bothered to read my posts before you making your racist accusations. I'll repost them here to rebut that and every other comment you made above.

I do like the singer. It's the song I take issue with. And that comment can be flipped very easily. I think a lot of people here are defending the song because Arnel is singing it. I see the two issues as being separate. If Perry sang this song I'd have the same criticism.

Here's my problem:

I am giving them a fair listen and I'm severely disappointed. Maybe it's the hype? I don't know. I know I have high standards for music and I came to expect a certain quality from the band called "Journey". I find that quality in all the albums from Infinity to Trial by Fire. After I heard Arnel on some songs off the Chile concert, I was cautiously optimistic, especially with Caveman hyping their recording sessions as "it's the 80's again" and how he was focussing the group. Arnel has an extremely sophisticated vibrato. A great instrument and he knows what to do with it, but its pretty clear he's not the artist Perry was.

...and those blow away your racist crap and my familiarity with the Journey catalogue.

If I was a racist, hell, if this was about Arnel at all, would I be championing Arnel's vocals as I did in those posts? They are entirely separate issues from the one I brought up.

You know, people, there's two sides to a racist argument. Supporting someone because of tribal affiliation is just as racist as when you disparage them for it. All my comments have been judging the new song and the new song alone. Deen or Perry could be singing this song and I'd have the exact same opinion. So please, enough with the race bullshit.

Arnel's got a great voice, I never said he didn't. So if you feel the need to throw in the race card to distract from legitimate points being discussed, pretty please, with sugar on top, shut the fuck up.

[stevew2]

Then stop listening to them... get on with your life... does it not strike you as "odd" that the "message" of Journey's music.... uplifting and positive is not exemplified in the negative posts?

Those of us who like it ... like it...

Those of use who don't... don't....

but thats the only "choice" we have... unless you have a direct pipeline to Jon or Neal.... and can convince them to your opinion...

Wow. Umm.. slucero. Isn't this a Journey forum where we, the fans, discuss that band and what we've heard? That's what I'm doing. And you're coming back at me with a lot of hostility. Why is that? Does something I've said threaten you in some manner?

No hostility.... I've not called u a name... defamed you at all...

You've posted a lot in this thread.... as is your right.... and for the most part negatively.

I just hate to think that someone coming here for the first time, because maybe they've heard Journey had a new singer, and there was this "buzz" surrounding them.... would not even bother to give the new band a chance... after reading your negative posts...

Call me an advocate for the positive...

So everybody has to think like you just in case somebody new might read this? When i said Backtalk I was referring to The Offical Journey website,everybody thinks the same there

[The_Noble_Cause]

Jeff Soto is not there to provide any sort of mysterious creative X-factor, so I'm not sure why people were expecting something sonically different.
Neal does his thing, Jon does his thing, and the end product is Journey.

[slucero]

Then stop listening to them... get on with your life... does it not strike you as "odd" that the "message" of Journey's music.... uplifting and positive is not exemplified in the negative posts?

Those of us who like it ... like it...

Those of use who don't... don't....

but thats the only "choice" we have... unless you have a direct pipeline to Jon or Neal.... and can convince them to your opinion...

Wow. Umm.. slucero. Isn't this a Journey forum where we, the fans, discuss that band and what we've heard? That's what I'm doing. And you're coming back at me with a lot of hostility. Why is that? Does something I've said threaten you in some manner?

No hostility.... I've not called u a name... defamed you at all...

You've posted a lot in this thread.... as is your right.... and for the most part negatively.




I just hate to think that someone coming here for the first time, because maybe they've heard Journey had a new singer, and there was this "buzz" surrounding them.... would not even bother to give the new band a chance... after reading your negative posts...

Call me an advocate for the positive...

So everybody has to think like you just in case somebody new might read this? When i said Backtalk I was referring to The Offical Journey website,everybody thinks the same there

Whattsamatta.... can't take a joke?

[Loneman1]

These new songs impress the hell out of me. Borrowed chords, blatant stealing from themselves, whatever.....these songs kick ass. "After All These Years" has serious potential to be huge! At times the emotional pull on that song reminds me of....(please don't kill me, my mom loves him and I've heard him a billion times because of that ).....Josh Groban. If that dude can have airtime, THIS SONG SURE AS FUCK CAN MAKE IT TO RADIO TOO!!!!!!!

I just REALLLLLLY hope this album is a rock album, not one or two sprinkled here and there. At this stage, and as ROCKIN' as the Chile concert was, they gotta go with the rock vibe overall this time, no question. Arnel can do either really well, but in order for the band to commercially succeed this time around, its gotta be rock oriented, IMO. Ballad as a single first to get their foot back in that door, then release some rockin' shit.

The future is looking brighter and brighter. I can't fuckin' wait.

[STORY_TELLER]

Then stop listening to them... get on with your life... does it not strike you as "odd" that the "message" of Journey's music.... uplifting and positive is not exemplified in the negative posts?

Those of us who like it ... like it...

Those of use who don't... don't....

but thats the only "choice" we have... unless you have a direct pipeline to Jon or Neal.... and can convince them to your opinion...

Wow. Umm.. slucero. Isn't this a Journey forum where we, the fans, discuss that band and what we've heard? That's what I'm doing. And you're coming back at me with a lot of hostility. Why is that? Does something I've said threaten you in some manner?

No hostility.... I've not called u a name... defamed you at all...

You've posted a lot in this thread.... as is your right.... and for the most part negatively.

I just hate to think that someone coming here for the first time, because maybe they've heard Journey had a new singer, and there was this "buzz" surrounding them.... would not even bother to give the new band a chance... after reading your negative posts...

Call me an advocate for the positive...

I guess you missed my review of the Chile concert where I FAIRLY assessed Arnel's performance and judged him overall to be the right voice for Journey then?

There's a difference between being fair minded and having blind faith. I'm fair minded. I call just as much bullshit on Steve Perry for firing Steve Smith and Ross Valory as I do in this situation. There's no biased opinion from me.

Being an advocate for the positive is not legitimate. That's politics. That's spin and it leans toward a biased opinion. If you will champion your cause even when your cause is shown to be illegitimate or unjust that calls your statements and assertions into question because it lacks fair play.

Let me ask you this:
If you're an advocate for the positive, when is it okay to have a negative assertion about a topic?

[stevew2]

Then stop listening to them... get on with your life... does it not strike you as "odd" that the "message" of Journey's music.... uplifting and positive is not exemplified in the negative posts?

Those of us who like it ... like it...

Those of use who don't... don't....

but thats the only "choice" we have... unless you have a direct pipeline to Jon or Neal.... and can convince them to your opinion...

Wow. Umm.. slucero. Isn't this a Journey forum where we, the fans, discuss that band and what we've heard? That's what I'm doing. And you're coming back at me with a lot of hostility. Why is that? Does something I've said threaten you in some manner?

No hostility.... I've not called u a name... defamed you at all...

You've posted a lot in this thread.... as is your right.... and for the most part negatively.




I just hate to think that someone coming here for the first time, because maybe they've heard Journey had a new singer, and there was this "buzz" surrounding them.... would not even bother to give the new band a chance... after reading your negative posts...

Call me an advocate for the positive...

So everybody has to think like you just in case somebody new might read this? When i said Backtalk I was referring to The Offical Journey website,everybody thinks the same there

Whattsamatta.... can't take a joke?

I can, so you dont want me to leave here, ,Okay I wont lol

[brywool]

Like "Message of Love" wasn't a complete rip off of "Separate Ways"?
Like "Easy to Fall" wasn't a complete rip off of "Sweet and Simple"?
Like Soto's "Believe in Me" (recorded with Schon) Wasn't a complete rip off of "Be Good To Yourself"?
Like "Lovin Touchin Squeezin" wasn't a complete rip off of about a million blues songs, not to mention the first lines being directly
ripped from Sam Cooke.

People sure have short memories.

With the exception of the Sam Cooke song, I have heard all the songs mentioned above. To my admittedly unprofessional ears, they are not the same. A borrowed chord riff here and there does not make it a rip off. The song that we are discussing here, however, has BGTY all over it.

In addition-
Brywool, sorry dude. I respect you, but you're really reaching here. No one would mistake Easy to Fall for Sweet and Simple. Sweet and Simple is a very bluesy song. Easy to Fall is almost elevator music (by comparison). Lovin' Touchin'? Show me another song that could be mistaken for that.

About the only song I agree with that was a "close inspiration" was Message of Love to Separate Ways. I always thought it was Separate Ways 'light'.

That's the really big difference here. At a casual listen, it's possible to mistake this new song for BGTY.

It's one thing to be a fan and defend the band you love, but it's quite another to be a fan of "blind faith". I'm not blind. I love this band, but I call bullshit when I hear it from anyone, and this is just bullshit.

Sweet and Simple and Easy to Fall share the same chord progression. I knew it the first time I head Easy to Fall- Which, incidentally, is a high point on TBF for me. The song's got a lot of feeling to it. I'm anything but a 'blind faith' fan ST. Read any of my posts after the Augeri thing or even the Soto thing. Not even a blind fan. MOL and SW are WAY too similar. LTS- listen to the Cooke song, Perry ripped off the first line and the melody. I'm not saying I don't hear BGTY. I'm saying, geez, big deal. And, I haven't commented or not if I like the new song... So, I'm not defending it. I'm just saying that lot's of bands rip themselves off, Journey included.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh, okay. Like most people on this board, you can't have a discussion without throwing in insults, especially the race card, to distract from the issue being discussed.

I’m not deflecting, I’m just bored. Anyone who says this song is a “100% rehash” cannot expect to be taken seriously. The guitar intro is not the same, neither is the chorus, or the keys.

First of all, I'm a musician. Not by profession, but I know how to play and I learn songs by ear. So that blows the "audiologist" insult away.

Meaningless. While Deano stood alone on this forum trying to convince the world of extensive fraudulent tape use, everybody suddenly dusted off their magical degree from Juliard to explain why Deano was tone-deaf and it was really live for this or that technical reason. A month later Steve Augeri was served his walking papers.

Secondly, It would help if you bothered to read my posts before you making your racist accusations. I'll repost them here to rebut that and every other comment you made above.

I have read your posts, but your exaggerated claims of musical plagiarism ("100% rehash") borders on forum piss-taking, so you’ll forgive me if I contemplate ulterior motives at work. If one of those I casually toss out happens to be race, so be it.

[STORY_TELLER]

Oh, okay. Like most people on this board, you can't have a discussion without throwing in insults, especially the race card, to distract from the issue being discussed.

I’m not deflecting, I’m just bored. Anyone who says this song is a “100% rehash” cannot expect to be taken seriously. The guitar intro is not the same, neither is the chorus, or the keys.

First of all, I'm a musician. Not by profession, but I know how to play and I learn songs by ear. So that blows the "audiologist" insult away.

Meaningless. While Deano stood alone on this forum trying to convince the world of extensive fraudulent tape use, everybody suddenly dusted off their magical degree from Juliard to explain why Deano was tone-deaf and it was really live for this or that technical reason. A month later Steve Augeri was served his walking papers.

Secondly, It would help if you bothered to read my posts before you making your racist accusations. I'll repost them here to rebut that and every other comment you made above.

I have read your posts, but your exaggerated claims of musical plagiarism ("100% rehash") borders on forum piss-taking, so you’ll forgive me if I contemplate ulterior motives at work. If one of those I casually toss out happens to be race, so be it.

Oh for crying out loud... Talk about splitting a fine freakin' hair! Fine! 98% rehash. Feel better now?

...and FYI, I could tell Tapegate was in fact what Deano said it was, BY EAR. I happen to have a good one.

[larryfromnextdoor]

I can, so you dont want me to leave here, ,Okay I wont lol

dude!..

btw.. ,, your quoting like an old pro...

[STORY_TELLER]

Sweet and Simple and Easy to Fall share the same chord progression. I knew it the first time I head Easy to Fall- Which, incidentally, is a high point on TBF for me. The song's got a lot of feeling to it. I'm anything but a 'blind faith' fan ST. Read any of my posts after the Augeri thing or even the Soto thing. Not even a blind fan. MOL and SW are WAY too similar. LTS- listen to the Cooke song, Perry ripped off the first line and the melody. I'm not saying I don't hear BGTY. I'm saying, geez, big deal. And, I haven't commented or not if I like the new song... So, I'm not defending it. I'm just saying that lot's of bands rip themselves off, Journey included.

I know Sweet and Simple shares the same chord progression with Easy to Fall, but it's an apples and oranges comparison because there's no mistaking the two songs for one another. They changed it up enough to make two very different sounding songs. And don't get me wrong, I love Easy to Fall. I was just pointing out the vast differences between them. Not the same thing for MOL and SW, I totally agree. They're much too similar, but they're no place near as similar as BGTY and this new song. I mean seriously, can't you see the huge line that was crossed here?

My point is the new song and BGTY are so close it is a borderline knock off. That takes away from the band's artistic legitimacy and it demeans their legacy. As an artist myself, I find it offensive. There's no reason for it to come from a group of such talented musicians.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh for crying out loud... Talk about splitting a fine freakin' hair! Fine! 98% rehash. Feel better now?

No. It still sounds more like "Believe in Me" and "Never Too Late" than BGTY. But still, the similarities are minute. They are only a hang-up to the most anally retentive of listeners.

...and FYI, I could tell Tapegate was in fact what Deano said it was, BY EAR. I happen to have a good one.

Ok, i will retract that.

[brywool]

Sweet and Simple and Easy to Fall share the same chord progression. I knew it the first time I head Easy to Fall- Which, incidentally, is a high point on TBF for me. The song's got a lot of feeling to it. I'm anything but a 'blind faith' fan ST. Read any of my posts after the Augeri thing or even the Soto thing. Not even a blind fan. MOL and SW are WAY too similar. LTS- listen to the Cooke song, Perry ripped off the first line and the melody. I'm not saying I don't hear BGTY. I'm saying, geez, big deal. And, I haven't commented or not if I like the new song... So, I'm not defending it. I'm just saying that lot's of bands rip themselves off, Journey included.

I know Sweet and Simple shares the same chord progression with Easy to Fall, but it's an apples and oranges comparison because there's no mistaking the two songs for one another. They changed it up enough to make two very different sounding songs. And don't get me wrong, I love Easy to Fall. I was just pointing out the vast differences between them. Not the same thing for MOL and SW, I totally agree. They're much too similar, but they're no place near as similar as BGTY and this new song. I mean seriously, can't you see the huge line that was crossed here?

My point is the new song and BGTY are so close it is a borderline knock off. That takes away from the band's artistic legitimacy and it demeans their legacy. As an artist myself, I find it offensive. There's no reason for it to come from a group of such talented musicians.

I think you're taking it way too seriously ST. I mean, "Offensive"? come on man... lighten up. They're just songs. Also, I don't think you can judge by a less than great sounding YouTube clip.

[STORY_TELLER]

I think you're taking it way too seriously ST. I mean, "Offensive"? come on man... lighten up. They're just songs. Also, I don't think you can judge by a less than great sounding YouTube clip.

Granted. Probably the triple latte I have floating in my system.

However, I have a problem with someone rehashing their old stuff and trying to get me to spend money on it claiming it's new.

[brywool]

I think you're taking it way too seriously ST. I mean, "Offensive"? come on man... lighten up. They're just songs. Also, I don't think you can judge by a less than great sounding YouTube clip.

Granted. Probably the triple latte I have floating in my system.

However, I have a problem with someone rehashing their old stuff and trying to get me to spend money on it claiming it's new.

Download it via Itunes. Just pay for what you want.

[slucero]

Then stop listening to them... get on with your life... does it not strike you as "odd" that the "message" of Journey's music.... uplifting and positive is not exemplified in the negative posts?

Those of us who like it ... like it...

Those of use who don't... don't....

but thats the only "choice" we have... unless you have a direct pipeline to Jon or Neal.... and can convince them to your opinion...

Wow. Umm.. slucero. Isn't this a Journey forum where we, the fans, discuss that band and what we've heard? That's what I'm doing. And you're coming back at me with a lot of hostility. Why is that? Does something I've said threaten you in some manner?

No hostility.... I've not called u a name... defamed you at all...

You've posted a lot in this thread.... as is your right.... and for the most part negatively.




I just hate to think that someone coming here for the first time, because maybe they've heard Journey had a new singer, and there was this "buzz" surrounding them.... would not even bother to give the new band a chance... after reading your negative posts...

Call me an advocate for the positive...

So everybody has to think like you just in case somebody new might read this? When i said Backtalk I was referring to The Offical Journey website,everybody thinks the same there

Whattsamatta.... can't take a joke?

I can, so you dont want me to leave here, ,Okay I wont lol

I don't recall asking U to leave.... hehe

[slucero]

Then stop listening to them... get on with your life... does it not strike you as "odd" that the "message" of Journey's music.... uplifting and positive is not exemplified in the negative posts?

Those of us who like it ... like it...

Those of use who don't... don't....

but thats the only "choice" we have... unless you have a direct pipeline to Jon or Neal.... and can convince them to your opinion...

Wow. Umm.. slucero. Isn't this a Journey forum where we, the fans, discuss that band and what we've heard? That's what I'm doing. And you're coming back at me with a lot of hostility. Why is that? Does something I've said threaten you in some manner?

No hostility.... I've not called u a name... defamed you at all...

You've posted a lot in this thread.... as is your right.... and for the most part negatively.

I just hate to think that someone coming here for the first time, because maybe they've heard Journey had a new singer, and there was this "buzz" surrounding them.... would not even bother to give the new band a chance... after reading your negative posts...

Call me an advocate for the positive...

I guess you missed my review of the Chile concert where I FAIRLY assessed Arnel's performance and judged him overall to be the right voice for Journey then?

There's a difference between being fair minded and having blind faith. I'm fair minded. I call just as much bullshit on Steve Perry for firing Steve Smith and Ross Valory as I do in this situation. There's no biased opinion from me.

Being an advocate for the positive is not legitimate. That's politics. That's spin and it leans toward a biased opinion. If you will champion your cause even when your cause is shown to be illegitimate or unjust that calls your statements and assertions into question because it lacks fair play.

Let me ask you this:
If you're an advocate for the positive, when is it okay to have a negative assertion about a topic?

hmm.... suggesting I have "blind faith"? How nice of you...

I'm not "championing" anything... I said ya have a right to yer opinion... but thats ALL IT IS....

.. and I'm not "spinning" anything... the support for the new band and music has been overwhelmingly positive.... HERE and at the site formerly known as BackTalk (called by that here cause "everybody thinks the same there" (credit to Stevew2 ) ) ... I guess everyone else is "spinnin" in the wrong direction, eh?

But "go on with yer Mad Self" .... yer entitled to yer opinion.... as I am to mine...

[STORY_TELLER]

... I guess everyone else is "spinnin" in the wrong direction, eh?

No. My comment was in response to you slamming me for "being negative" and pointing out how you were an advocate for the positive. Calling yourself and advocate for the positive implies you shy away from negative even when the negative is raised legitimately. I just responded to that and you conveniently maneuvered around my statement and subsequent question.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you shouldn't make it sound like everyone is on board with your opinion of the new songs. I've seen an average of about 10-15 people posting positive comments about the new songs, tops (out of thousands registered). Most other's are raving about Arnel on the GH's. I myself am part of that group. Again, two separate issues. But you go on, blend and confuse subjects and issues to circumvent the points raised (with your bad self).

[fredinator]

It sounds just classic Journey to me!! Neal and his gorgeous guitar melodies, the harmonies, Arnel out front with his voice--I can see myself cranking this one up in my car or on the IPod

[slucero]

... I guess everyone else is "spinnin" in the wrong direction, eh?

No. My comment was in response to you slamming me for "being negative" and pointing out how you were an advocate for the positive. Calling yourself and advocate for the positive implies you shy away from negative even when the negative is raised legitimately. I just responded to that and you conveniently maneuvered around my statement and subsequent question.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you shouldn't make it sound like everyone is on board with your opinion of the new songs. I've seen an average of about 10-15 people posting positive comments about the new songs, tops (out of thousands registered). Most other's are raving about Arnel on the GH's. I myself am part of that group. Again, two separate issues. But you go on, blend and confuse subjects and issues to circumvent the points raised (with your bad self).

*sigh* ... again... I don't recall "slamming" you... and yer still trying to paint me with the wrong brush... look uip my post history... I questioned the AP decision too...

At this point I need to stop trying to converse with you... and simply draw pictures.... does this look familiar?

[fightingilliniJRNY]

They had other tunes they could have released, the band they has made it clear they going to sound like they same old shit, this just proves it.

So...one performance of a song that sounds borderline AT BEST like Be Good To Yourself proves that they are going to "sound like the same old shit"? Yeah, okay, I'm upset too that Journey apparently isn't going to sound like Insane Clown Posse with this release. What the hell is Journey music supposed to sound like???

[Calbear94]

They had other tunes they could have released, the band they has made it clear they going to sound like they same old shit, this just proves it.

I honestly believe that a majority of the fans don't want to hear a new sound from Journey...they want new material but in the classic style. I also believe this is what the record companies/retail giant wants, too. But, hello...we already knew this! The moment they let Soto go, the band basically confirmed this.