"Songs were noticeably slowed down"? No

[kmjrr]

Dan Clavadetscher's review of the Las Vegas show stated that "the new Journey led by Pineda was not tight, the songs were noticeably slowed down..."
So I picked 2 songs at random and ripped the audio from the following YouTube clips:
Don't Stop Believin' - http://youtube.com/watch?v=MU_zMr1yIcw
Separate Ways - http://youtube.com/watch?v=EZ72gCMySaA

I next loaded the audio into my sound editing software and played them simultaneously with the audio of the same songs from Reno 2006 (JSS). The result: Both Vegas 2008 clips stayed exactly in sync with the Reno 2006 clips.

Ray

[ProgRocker53]

Good find, that's interesting.

[Rockindeano]

I met Dan and liked him, but in all honesty, his review sucks.

Dan, wtf? This is the most biased review and it looks like Faux News did it. Come on now?

[G.I.Jim]

The tempo's the same because Journey has played to a click track for years. If they didn't, the pre-recorded backing vocals wouldn't work (well not easily at least!). Even on the ROR tour with Perry, they used a SHITLOAD of pre-recorded back-ups!

I think they seemed a little slow with Arnel because he was ahead of the beat a little, and came in early on his notes a few times. JMHO.

[7 Wishes]

Yep. I agree. The proof is in the pudding.

[dcvader]

I met Dan and liked him, but in all honesty, his review sucks.

Dan, wtf? This is the most biased review and it looks like Faux News did it. Come on now?

Of course you say that it is biased. Only because it is against your current agenda.

[ProgRocker53]

I knew it wouldn't be long until someone came galloping in ready to stir shit up.

Abstain, boys, Andrew's on the prowl.

[dcvader]

I knew it wouldn't be long until someone came galloping in ready to stir shit up.

Abstain, boys, Andrew's on the prowl.

FUCK you PGRocker,

If I say that Arnel Suck ass. My thread is deleted immed.

This Dan C. guy gives a straight review (it happens to be different than the others) and nobody can discuss it on MR?

Strange that NOBODY else on this board mentioned the couple song's they played twice etc.

Whatever. The Kool- Aid is thick here.

[Andrew]

FUCK you PGRocker,

If I say that Arnel Suck ass. My thread is deleted immed.

No Kool Aid here - as long as personal abuse is kept out of it. Ok?

[ProgRocker53]

I knew it wouldn't be long until someone came galloping in ready to stir shit up.

Abstain, boys, Andrew's on the prowl.

FUCK you PGRocker,

If I say that Arnel Suck ass. My thread is deleted immed.

This Dan C. guy gives a straight review (it happens to be different than the others) and nobody can discuss it on MR?

Strange that NOBODY else on this board mentioned they couple song's they played twice etc.

Whatever. The Kool- Aid is thick here.

I wasn't referring to the difference in opinions, DCBater (I can play that game too ) but the fact that you seemed to zip in here with knife out and aimed at Deano. I saw the post you deleted, it was a blatant attempt at baiting. No need to flip out and start that kind of reaction brother, just chill and don't try to start anything with the big man.

Now let's get back to the topic at hand, gentlemen...

[dcvader]

FUCK you PGRocker,

If I say that Arnel Suck ass. My thread is deleted immed.

No Kool Aid here - as long as personal abuse is kept out of it. Ok?

Andrew, PGR came after me.

All I am saying that is is about time a "review" like Dan C's was posted on MR and not shot down and invaded by PGR and Rockin' Deano. They have hundreds of posts on this PUBLIC forum to roam and rule. You are a "real" record guy now, both sides should be heard and have equal time or shut the entire JOURNEY board down.

[Andrew]

Both sides can and are heard...all sides have their say here. That's why I have a headache constantly.

[ProgRocker53]

Both sides can and are heard...all sides have their say here. That's why I have a headache constantly.

And you're appreciated for putting up with us bastards, Andrew.

All of us MR readers should pitch in and send you an Easter Basket filled with headache powder.

[7 Wishes]

All I am saying that is is about time a "review" like Dan C's was posted on MR and not shot down and invaded by PGR and Rockin' Deano. They have hundreds of posts on this PUBLIC forum to roam and rule. You are a "real" record guy now, both sides should be heard and have equal time or shut the entire JOURNEY board down.

A lesson in morality, business ethics and integrity from a guy who goes off the deep end at the drop of a hat, and whose avatar features a crotch shot of a woman in a micro bikini.

Right, let's shut down the entire board...and melodicrock.com...because YOU think there isn't "fair play".

[G.I.Jim]

Both sides can and are heard...all sides have their say here. That's why I have a headache constantly.

And I appreciate you for it Andrew (as long as it's my side that gets to have their say!)

[STORY_TELLER]

I knew it wouldn't be long until someone came galloping in ready to stir shit up.

Abstain, boys, Andrew's on the prowl.

FUCK you PGRocker,

If I say that Arnel Suck ass. My thread is deleted immed.

This Dan C. guy gives a straight review (it happens to be different than the others) and nobody can discuss it on MR?

Strange that NOBODY else on this board mentioned they couple song's they played twice etc.

Whatever. The Kool- Aid is thick here.

They played songs twice for safety because they were recording for the DVD. As someone who's worked as a video editor, this is not uncommon. It's to protect yourself in post. Fix a flub here and there by combining cuts from different takes. That's how movies are cut together as well.

As someone who's on the fence, I can honestly see bias in Dan's review. JSS was mentioned all too often and feathered throughout. It really felt like sour grapes. That being said, the subsequent review felt like it came from a cheerleader and just as biased in the opposite direction. As soon as that reviewer mentioned he was once friends with and reconnected with Deen Castronovo (at the show), it kind of became clear there's no way this guy was going to have (let alone write) a purely objective opinion. I mean, seriously, everything posted on the web gets back to Journey management, especially on the front page of MR.com. Hard to believe after a guy reconnects with a band member, exchanging phone numbers, that he was going to say one negative thing about the concert.

Seems to me the Journey camps are as polarized as today's politics in this country. Nay-sayers on one side and cheerleaders on the other. Very few middle of the roaders (which is the camp I currently reside in).

I think most from both camps lack objectivity.

[ProgRocker53]

FUCK you PGRocker,

If I say that Arnel Suck ass. My thread is deleted immed.

No Kool Aid here - as long as personal abuse is kept out of it. Ok?

Andrew, PGR came after me.

All I am saying that is is about time a "review" like Dan C's was posted on MR and not shot down and invaded by PGR and Rockin' Deano. They have hundreds of posts on this PUBLIC forum to roam and rule. You are a "real" record guy now, both sides should be heard and have equal time or shut the entire JOURNEY board down.

There's both sides getting heard on musical matters and debates, and then personal stuff/blatant baiting. I have no problem discussing the actual music without snide remarks and challenges being tossed around.

For the record, you make it sound like I'm Deano's bumbling sidekick or "Tonto" or something. I'm anything but, captain.

[dcvader]

FUCK you PGRocker,

If I say that Arnel Suck ass. My thread is deleted immed.

No Kool Aid here - as long as personal abuse is kept out of it. Ok?

Andrew, PGR came after me.

All I am saying that is is about time a "review" like Dan C's was posted on MR and not shot down and invaded by PGR and Rockin' Deano. They have hundreds of posts on this PUBLIC forum to roam and rule. You are a "real" record guy now, both sides should be heard and have equal time or shut the entire JOURNEY board down.

There's both sides getting heard on musical matters and debates, and then personal stuff/blatant baiting. I have no problem discussing the actual music without snide remarks and challenges being tossed around.

For the record, you make it sound like I'm Deano's bumbling sidekick or "Tonto" or something. I'm anything but, captain.

You are not the Captain, you are co-pilot. Enjoy your ride with Dean. You piped in at the 6th or 7th spot in the this thread, nobody asked you or called your name.

[Andrew]

As someone who's on the fence, I can honestly see bias in Dan's review. JSS was mentioned all too often and feathered throughout. It really felt like sour grapes. That being said, the subsequent review felt like it came from a cheerleader and just as biased in the opposite direction. As soon as that reviewer mentioned he was once friends with and reconnected with Deen Castronovo (at the show), it kind of became clear there's no way this guy was going to have (let alone write) a purely objective opinion. I mean, seriously, everything posted on the web gets back to Journey management, especially on the front page of MR.com. Hard to believe after a guy reconnects with a band member, exchanging phone numbers, that he was going to say one negative thing about the concert.

Seems to me the Journey camps are as polarized as today's politics in this country. Nay-sayers on one side and cheerleaders on the other. Very few middle of the roaders (which is the camp I currently reside in).

I think most from both camps lack objectivity.

This I think is the most objective post of the day.

I wish that I could have seen it for myself. I hate leaving reviews to outsiders (even ones I know well...).

[Deb]

Andrew, PGR came after me.

Right after you went after Dean. Come on Dave, that sounded like a 5 year old fighting with his brother in the back seat of the car. He touched me first..........

All I am saying that is is about time a "review" like Dan C's was posted on MR and not shot down and invaded by PGR and Rockin' Deano. They have hundreds of posts on this PUBLIC forum to roam and rule. You are a "real" record guy now, both sides should be heard and have equal time or shut the entire JOURNEY board down.

Both sides are heard here Dave, I posted in another thread about agree with the review......and didn't get shot down for it. I disagree with Dean on the review, but hey....he's got his opinion and I have mine. Big deal, that's what this board is made of. Shut the entire Journey board down? I sure hope not...........and why, when there is still fans of the band around. Or is that what you're striving for?

[STORY_TELLER]

As someone who's on the fence, I can honestly see bias in Dan's review. JSS was mentioned all too often and feathered throughout. It really felt like sour grapes. That being said, the subsequent review felt like it came from a cheerleader and just as biased in the opposite direction. As soon as that reviewer mentioned he was once friends with and reconnected with Deen Castronovo (at the show), it kind of became clear there's no way this guy was going to have (let alone write) a purely objective opinion. I mean, seriously, everything posted on the web gets back to Journey management, especially on the front page of MR.com. Hard to believe after a guy reconnects with a band member, exchanging phone numbers, that he was going to say one negative thing about the concert.

Seems to me the Journey camps are as polarized as today's politics in this country. Nay-sayers on one side and cheerleaders on the other. Very few middle of the roaders (which is the camp I currently reside in).

I think most from both camps lack objectivity.

This I think is the most objective post of the day.

I wish that I could have seen it for myself. I hate leaving reviews to outsiders (even ones I know well...).

[ProgRocker53]

All I am saying that is is about time a "review" like Dan C's was posted on MR and not shot down and invaded by PGR and Rockin' Deano. They have hundreds of posts on this PUBLIC forum to roam and rule. You are a "real" record guy now, both sides should be heard and have equal time or shut the entire JOURNEY board down.

A lesson in morality, business ethics and integrity from a guy who goes off the deep end at the drop of a hat, and whose avatar features a crotch shot of a woman in a micro bikini.

Right, let's shut down the entire board...and melodicrock.com...because YOU think there isn't "fair play".

Right on broski.

[dcvader]

As someone who's on the fence, I can honestly see bias in Dan's review. JSS was mentioned all too often and feathered throughout. It really felt like sour grapes. That being said, the subsequent review felt like it came from a cheerleader and just as biased in the opposite direction. As soon as that reviewer mentioned he was once friends with and reconnected with Deen Castronovo (at the show), it kind of became clear there's no way this guy was going to have (let alone write) a purely objective opinion. I mean, seriously, everything posted on the web gets back to Journey management, especially on the front page of MR.com. Hard to believe after a guy reconnects with a band member, exchanging phone numbers, that he was going to say one negative thing about the concert.

Seems to me the Journey camps are as polarized as today's politics in this country. Nay-sayers on one side and cheerleaders on the other. Very few middle of the roaders (which is the camp I currently reside in).

I think most from both camps lack objectivity.

This I think is the most objective post of the day.

I wish that I could have seen it for myself. I hate leaving reviews to outsiders (even ones I know well...).

11 things not discussed in detail on MR.

1 * plows through lead vocalists like Pamela Anderson goes through husbands.

2 * hired and then unceremoniously fired singer Jeff Scott Soto, alienating a number of long-time fans in the process.

3 * their third lead vocalist in as many years did not hold a candle to the Soto-led group that consistently blew Def Leppard off the stage

4 * During the brief Soto era, Neal Schon, Jonathan Cain, Ross
Valory and Deen Castronovo were tighter as a unit

5 * Unfortunately, all of that was missing in Las Vegas.

6 * the new Journey led by Pineda was not tight, the songs were noticeably slowed down

7 * was an uninspired and lackluster set that had many in crowd sitting for much of the show.

8 * Pineda, the 40-year-old Filipino who covered Journey songs in his previous band The Zoo, did a decent job imitating Steve Perry.

9 * he has an awkward stage presence, rarely interacted with his band members, and came in early on a few songs
and sang over Schon's guitar parts (see “Escape” and “Faithfully”).

10 * as the crowd started to exit their seats and make their way up through the aisles. Journey returned and Pineda announced, “We have to do one of the new ones again because we fucked it
up.” Schon and company then played “Wildest Dreams” for the second time.

11* the band needed to fix another tune, so Cain asked the
crowd: “Would you like to hear “Faithfully” again?”

[7 Wishes]

You are not the Captain, you are co-pilot. Enjoy your ride with Dean. You piped in at the 6th or 7th spot in the this thread, nobody asked you or called your name.

Put it back in your pants, dude. No need to start calling people out.

The reviewer stated he thought the songs were "sped up" - yet that was proven to be completely untrue. Whether or not you enjoyed Pineda's performance...THAT is the subjective matter. The OBJECTIVE fact is irrefutable. And I have hardly been on the AP bandwagon, so don't put me in that category, either.

And EVERY ONE of your "facts" has been thoroughly vetted. Re-read the older posts. It's all there, Irwin R. Scheister. Stop fuckin' with 'Drew. If it weren't for him, the closest thing you would have to melodic rock from the past ten years would be the Peaches N Herb "greatest hits" CD.

[Clasicrockldy]

Let me say this. MR is being watched by more boards and people than you think. I moderate a board, and there is a thread there about the shit, abuse, etc, that is said here.

Andrew, this isn't the kind of publicity you want for this board. People are not wanting to come here and post because of what is happening here. Just thought I would give you something to think about.

[Deb]

As someone who's on the fence, I can honestly see bias in Dan's review. JSS was mentioned all too often and feathered throughout. It really felt like sour grapes. That being said, the subsequent review felt like it came from a cheerleader and just as biased in the opposite direction. As soon as that reviewer mentioned he was once friends with and reconnected with Deen Castronovo (at the show), it kind of became clear there's no way this guy was going to have (let alone write) a purely objective opinion. I mean, seriously, everything posted on the web gets back to Journey management, especially on the front page of MR.com. Hard to believe after a guy reconnects with a band member, exchanging phone numbers, that he was going to say one negative thing about the concert.

Seems to me the Journey camps are as polarized as today's politics in this country. Nay-sayers on one side and cheerleaders on the other. Very few middle of the roaders (which is the camp I currently reside in).

I think most from both camps lack objectivity.

This I think is the most objective post of the day.

I wish that I could have seen it for myself. I hate leaving reviews to outsiders (even ones I know well...).

You can't be everywhere, Andrew. Some people are going to agree with the review and some aren't. As long as people keep it about "the review".

[ProgRocker53]

Let me say this. MR is being watched by more boards and people than you think. I moderate a board, and there is a thread there about the shit, abuse, etc, that is said here.

Andrew, this isn't the kind of publicity you want for this board. People are not wanting to come here and post because of what is happening here. Just thought I would give you something to think about.

There wouldn't be any shit, abuse, and mudslinging if certain proven headhunters had their accounts axed before they ignite more shitstorms.

The board's been relatively peaceful and friendly for awhile now, and there's a reason.

[Andrew]

Let me say this. MR is being watched by more boards and people than you think. I moderate a board, and there is a thread there about the shit, abuse, etc, that is said here.

Andrew, this isn't the kind of publicity you want for this board. People are not wanting to come here and post because of what is happening here. Just thought I would give you something to think about.

I could not agree more. I bang my head against my office wall on a daily basis.

[dcvader]

Let me say this. MR is being watched by more boards and people than you think. I moderate a board, and there is a thread there about the shit, abuse, etc, that is said here.

Andrew, this isn't the kind of publicity you want for this board. People are not wanting to come here and post because of what is happening here. Just thought I would give you something to think about.

There wouldn't be any shit, abuse, and mudslinging if certain proven headhunters had their accounts axed before they ignite more shitstorms.

The board's been relatively peaceful and friendly for awhile now, and there's a reason.

First 2 accounts that should be axed. IMHO

Rockin' Deano

ProgRocker53

[STORY_TELLER]

As someone who's on the fence, I can honestly see bias in Dan's review. JSS was mentioned all too often and feathered throughout. It really felt like sour grapes. That being said, the subsequent review felt like it came from a cheerleader and just as biased in the opposite direction. As soon as that reviewer mentioned he was once friends with and reconnected with Deen Castronovo (at the show), it kind of became clear there's no way this guy was going to have (let alone write) a purely objective opinion. I mean, seriously, everything posted on the web gets back to Journey management, especially on the front page of MR.com. Hard to believe after a guy reconnects with a band member, exchanging phone numbers, that he was going to say one negative thing about the concert.

Seems to me the Journey camps are as polarized as today's politics in this country. Nay-sayers on one side and cheerleaders on the other. Very few middle of the roaders (which is the camp I currently reside in).

I think most from both camps lack objectivity.

This I think is the most objective post of the day.

I wish that I could have seen it for myself. I hate leaving reviews to outsiders (even ones I know well...).

11 things not discussed in detail on MR.

1 * plows through lead vocalists like Pamela Anderson goes through husbands.

2 * hired and then unceremoniously fired singer Jeff Scott Soto, alienating a number of long-time fans in the process.

3 * their third lead vocalist in as many years did not hold a candle to the Soto-led group that consistently blew Def Leppard off the stage

4 * During the brief Soto era, Neal Schon, Jonathan Cain, Ross
Valory and Deen Castronovo were tighter as a unit

5 * Unfortunately, all of that was missing in Las Vegas.

6 * the new Journey led by Pineda was not tight, the songs were noticeably slowed down

7 * was an uninspired and lackluster set that had many in crowd sitting for much of the show.

8 * Pineda, the 40-year-old Filipino who covered Journey songs in his previous band The Zoo, did a decent job imitating Steve Perry.

9 * he has an awkward stage presence, rarely interacted with his band members, and came in early on a few songs
and sang over Schon's guitar parts (see “Escape” and “Faithfully”).

10 * as the crowd started to exit their seats and make their way up through the aisles. Journey returned and Pineda announced, “We have to do one of the new ones again because we fucked it
up.” Schon and company then played “Wildest Dreams” for the second time.

11* the band needed to fix another tune, so Cain asked the
crowd: “Would you like to hear “Faithfully” again?”

I'm trying to figure out your point? What more needs to be discussed? From all accounts, Arnel's presence has improved since the Chile show. If you're looking for perfection out of the gate, you're not going to get it from Arnel. He doesn't have the experience (yet).

How much more griping needs to go on and be rehashed? I don't really see why JSS was mentioned so often in a review of the Arnel Pineda concert. It's one thing to refresh those on the history to date, but to start, then feather throughout and end a review with the JSS issue? Sorry, it reads of a sour grapes agenda. Maybe that wasn't his intent, but it's how it comes across.

Even still, my big concern is not how Arnel does on Perry's songs. I personally believe he's the best vocalist Journey has had since Perry on Perry's songs. He's not Perry for sure, but there is no more Perry so you either move with the band or move on from the band.

My big concern is what they do with Arnel on new original material. Will said material rise to the quality level (I) expect from the band called Journey? Time will tell. For me, if it meets my high standards, I'll support the group. If it doesn't, I won't. Pretty simple, don't you think?