Here's a thought: ALL Vegas Reviews are Irrelavent!

[journeyMusic]

Very nice contribution.

Eye roll.

You are a superb poster.

Thank you sir--I am so glad that you appreciate fine quality.

[kgdjpubs]

[quote="Rockindeano"
You make a good point but let me add this. This was in Vegas. Vegas crowds aren't really "loyal Journey fans" and are a bit stagnant. Sure there were Journey fans there, but take the Vegas show, and compare it to a San Francisco show in 5 months, and the loyalty will be 40 times stronger in the Bay than it was in LV.[/quote]

That's why I can't figure out why ANY band would want to film in Vegas. The only possible benefit that you can get is a larger venue (so people think you are more popular than you really are), but your difference in people will be the casual fan--or just somoene who wants to do something for the night other than go to another show or a casino. Half of making a great dvd is getting a rabid audience, and Journey in hometown San Francisco is going to get a much better audience than Vegas. Just one more maddening decision...

[donnaplease]

All these people who think Soto would have been the 2nd coming of Jesus for this band are simply full of it IMO. He simply didn't fit with Journey and while his voice was much stronger than Augeri's, anyone seeing him live could sense that "there was something that just wasn't "Journey" about him as lead singer. Taking the band in a new direction? I think the band quickly realized in studio with Soto that he was not fitting with what Journey has always been about in terms of their music.


And when comparing Soto to Arnel- I say 2 completely different leagues- Arnel fits Journey AND has THE VOICE very comparable to THE VOICE. Soto had neither IMO.

Soto is a short-lived memory in the band. Arnel will be the last lead singer this band has and he will do us proud! Looking forward to the new CD and DVD, and btw, I don't give a f___k what you Soto people have to say, as he is no longer in the band!

Agreed on all counts....

...but I will say I AM a Jeff Scott Soto fan, and really wanted to see how the J(SS)ourney experiment would work. I think the band could've worked with Soto just in another direction. Because of Soto's style, the band would be forced to adapt more to him, than he would have to adapt to them. He's that strong of a frontman and performer. I don't think Friga and Valory were up to that kind of challenge.

But what's not to be is not to be, and I'm Journeying on accepting that Soto just wasn't meant to be a Journey singer.

But...

If the legacy of Journey is to evolve and change with each new album, then certainly a somewhat new direction is what they should've done. It is very "journeyesque" to carry on that tradition. I've read (or heard) that Jeff's main musical interest is in the melodic rock genre, so I feel confident that he would've done what he needed to do to keep Journey as "journeyesque" as TPTB wanted. Personally, I thought he kicked ass on the rockers, and I love his harder music, but Essential Ballads is also one of my favorite CDs. Interestingly enough, SHML is probably my least favorite song on the CD.

IMO, Jeff would've been just fine singing for Journey. He took the shit that was Jon Cain's dedication to the birth of our country and made it sound (almost) great, so imagine what he coulda done with a REAL song...

[Maui Tom]

You guys can continue to bang on this shit forever...to all of us who were there and blown away....GOOD TIMES.

Til the next locust infestation.

[ProgRocker53]

All these people who think Soto would have been the 2nd coming of Jesus for this band are simply full of it IMO. He simply didn't fit with Journey and while his voice was much stronger than Augeri's, anyone seeing him live could sense that "there was something that just wasn't "Journey" about him as lead singer. Taking the band in a new direction? I think the band quickly realized in studio with Soto that he was not fitting with what Journey has always been about in terms of their music.


And when comparing Soto to Arnel- I say 2 completely different leagues- Arnel fits Journey AND has THE VOICE very comparable to THE VOICE. Soto had neither IMO.

Soto is a short-lived memory in the band. Arnel will be the last lead singer this band has and he will do us proud! Looking forward to the new CD and DVD, and btw, I don't give a f___k what you Soto people have to say, as he is no longer in the band!

Agreed on all counts....

...but I will say I AM a Jeff Scott Soto fan, and really wanted to see how the J(SS)ourney experiment would work. I think the band could've worked with Soto just in another direction. Because of Soto's style, the band would be forced to adapt more to him, than he would have to adapt to them. He's that strong of a frontman and performer. I don't think Friga and Valory were up to that kind of challenge.

But what's not to be is not to be, and I'm Journeying on accepting that Soto just wasn't meant to be a Journey singer.

But...

If the legacy of Journey is to evolve and change with each new album, then certainly a somewhat new direction is what they should've done. It is very "journeyesque" to carry on that tradition. I've read (or heard) that Jeff's main musical interest is in the melodic rock genre, so I feel confident that he would've done what he needed to do to keep Journey as "journeyesque" as TPTB wanted. Personally, I thought he kicked ass on the rockers, and I love his harder music, but Essential Ballads is also one of my favorite CDs. Interestingly enough, SHML is probably my least favorite song on the CD.

IMO, Jeff would've been just fine singing for Journey. He took the shit that was Jon Cain's dedication to the birth of our country and made it sound (almost) great, so imagine what he coulda done with a REAL song...

I agree with every single thing you said.

But, he's not in the band anymore, they didn't record any music with him*, and I'm ready for the next chapter.

*- Well, other than a song that would be PERFECT for a 4th-grade educational cartoon about Pilgrims.

[WIX]

You guys can continue to bang on this shit forever...to all of us who were there and blown away....GOOD TIMES.

Til the next locust infestation.

The Mormons know all about that, the Seagulls saved the day.

[donnaplease]

But...

If the legacy of Journey is to evolve and change with each new album, then certainly a somewhat new direction is what they should've done. It is very "journeyesque" to carry on that tradition. I've read (or heard) that Jeff's main musical interest is in the melodic rock genre, so I feel confident that he would've done what he needed to do to keep Journey as "journeyesque" as TPTB wanted. Personally, I thought he kicked ass on the rockers, and I love his harder music, but Essential Ballads is also one of my favorite CDs. Interestingly enough, SHML is probably my least favorite song on the CD.

IMO, Jeff would've been just fine singing for Journey. He took the shit that was Jon Cain's dedication to the birth of our country and made it sound (almost) great, so imagine what he coulda done with a REAL song...

I agree with every single thing you said.

But, he's not in the band anymore, they didn't record any music with him*, and I'm ready for the next chapter.

*- Well, other than a song that would be PERFECT for a 4th-grade educational cartoon about Pilgrims.

Yep, you're right. It's certainly a testament to Jeff's stage presence and talent that he could make even THAT song sound good. My hubby video'd that show and I watch it from time to time. I think it was the passion that Jeff showed in his performance that kinda sold it. I'm from Virginia and was a little embarrassed by the words, though.

I hope Journey puts more effort into their songs than Friga spent on that particular gem.

Can't wait for Jeff's new CD to become available!!! He's gonna be just fine ~ I have a feeling he lands on his feet in whatever he does.

Nice to agree with you on something, Tyler.

[ProgRocker53]

But...

If the legacy of Journey is to evolve and change with each new album, then certainly a somewhat new direction is what they should've done. It is very "journeyesque" to carry on that tradition. I've read (or heard) that Jeff's main musical interest is in the melodic rock genre, so I feel confident that he would've done what he needed to do to keep Journey as "journeyesque" as TPTB wanted. Personally, I thought he kicked ass on the rockers, and I love his harder music, but Essential Ballads is also one of my favorite CDs. Interestingly enough, SHML is probably my least favorite song on the CD.

IMO, Jeff would've been just fine singing for Journey. He took the shit that was Jon Cain's dedication to the birth of our country and made it sound (almost) great, so imagine what he coulda done with a REAL song...

I agree with every single thing you said.

But, he's not in the band anymore, they didn't record any music with him*, and I'm ready for the next chapter.

*- Well, other than a song that would be PERFECT for a 4th-grade educational cartoon about Pilgrims.

Yep, you're right. It's certainly a testament to Jeff's stage presence and talent that he could make even THAT song sound good. My hubby video'd that show and I watch it from time to time. I think it was the passion that Jeff showed in his performance that kinda sold it. I'm from Virginia and was a little embarrassed by the words, though.

I hope Journey puts more effort into their songs than Friga spent on that particular gem.

Can't wait for Jeff's new CD to become available!!! He's gonna be just fine ~ I have a feeling he lands on his feet in whatever he does.

Nice to agree with you on something, Tyler.

It happens from time to time.

C'mon, if Jeff can sell being a viking and gargling peckersnot, he can sell Pilgrim songs!

I'd really like to see him hook up with some other high-profile guys, at Journey's level or close to it. Maybe someone like Joe Satriani, Steve Lukather. Jeff's music shines on his own but I'm always dreaming of what could happen if he makes another top-notch alliance.

[donnaplease]

Yep, you're right. It's certainly a testament to Jeff's stage presence and talent that he could make even THAT song sound good. My hubby video'd that show and I watch it from time to time. I think it was the passion that Jeff showed in his performance that kinda sold it. I'm from Virginia and was a little embarrassed by the words, though.

I hope Journey puts more effort into their songs than Friga spent on that particular gem.

Can't wait for Jeff's new CD to become available!!! He's gonna be just fine ~ I have a feeling he lands on his feet in whatever he does.

Nice to agree with you on something, Tyler.

It happens from time to time.

C'mon, if Jeff can sell being a viking and gargling peckersnot, he can sell Pilgrim songs!

I'd really like to see him hook up with some other high-profile guys, at Journey's level or close to it. Maybe someone like Joe Satriani, Steve Lukather. Jeff's music shines on his own but I'm always dreaming of what could happen if he makes another top-notch alliance.

He fit in perfectly with those guys on the stage at MRFest. In fact, he kinda stood out among some of them. Granted, he's a little younger than many of them, but he exudes a star-quality that is above and beyond some even more famous musicians. JSS is definitely a diamond in the rough.

His time will come, I'm confident of that.

[Red13JoePa]

This is what Rock n roll is all about:

Sometimes I feel turned around
And upside down
And sometimes maybe I drink too much
But my heart's still in touch

I remember standing tall telling you
I'm gonna be a rock n roll star
When someone said Sit down, boy
"You already are"
So
Raise your hands to rock (rock)
Uh-huh Summertime was always right
Just me and you
Sixteen and dealing with
Those summertime blues

I was Young and restless
Living on the edge of a dream
When someone somewhere said
Ya just gotta believe

And raise your hands to rock

What a song by Motley fuckin Crue.

[pinkvelvet]

I am an Arnel fan because I like the guy. No other reason. I'm not drinking any Kool Aid, however I do like grape. I'm a Journey fan because Journey rocks with Arnel. The naysayers are only continuing to be naysayers because they're too stupid or too stubborn or too proud to admit they were wrong. Each of you can choose which fits you personally.

If you're still mad at Journey for not waiting on Perry or Augeri, or passing on JSS and JH, then that's stupid too because that is none of your business. That's Neal and Jon's band. It's their business. It's their bread and butter and they have the right to choose who works there and who doesn't.

Am I disappointed that Jeff isn't fronting Journey? Hell yeah I am, he would have rocked that band to a whole new level. They chose to go with the legacy sound because they know that avenue and know it works. That avenue has been paying their bills very well for 30 years now and I'm sure they don't want to jeopardize that. To be mad at someone for not running their business the way you think they should is arrogant and a ridiculous notion.

Let's quit fighting and start rocking to a band that is once again great. You've got absolutely nothing to lose.

I'm with Rick and apparently...

SO IS FORMER 49ER TE BRENT JONES:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NrnVygpEKMA

Cool! he called Arnel a "cute little guy" hahaha

[stevew2]

Carl, the people coming in and slamming Pineda are obviously haters, and for one of them to say, "Your review was spot on" when he wasn't there is ridiculous. How can you say a review is spot on when you yourself haven't been there to compare it to? The people who went to the show, all agreed it was grand. Every person here who went, loved it. The only dissenters are from folks who bitch daily, complain, and tear down, and oh yea, they weren't within 2500 miles of Vegas. Their reviews or comments don't count. You don't go, you can't bitch. Don't be swayed by their comments about not being able to express an opinion. Their opinions are already cast in stone and are never going to change. They are committed to a road of hatred and they can't turn back. Fuck em. Say, have you seen Andrew comment on the show? No, you haven't. Why? Because he wasn't there and he won't comment on something he hasn't seen.

As for Pineda flubbing lyrics, Augeri did many times in the Vegas 2001 DVD, and I have even see Perry do it too. Who cares?

Andrew did say he wasnt yet sold on the current line up ,and that blind ignorance is not accepting that another person can have their own opinon. Im quoting him on that, .Its in the the Dan Clav. review thread