WHAT IF THE RE-RECORDS WHERE "UPDATED"???

[G.I.Jim]

I know there are lots of different opinions about the re-records, but what if the band were updating all of the songs and not keeping them the same as the original recordings? Just an idea here but what if a few were acoustic, or they experimented with some of the songs and changed them up? They do it live, so what if that's what's in the Revalations package deal?

Would you be more inclined to give it a listen then? What if the entire album is acoustic? Just some ideas to throw out there...I haven't read anywhere that they are going to be EXACTLY like the original versions!

For the record, I'll buy the hell out of this album and I'm really looking forward to hearing the re-records. I look at it just like I do with Chalfant's new album. I really enjoyed listening to them (even though they weren't as good as the originals). I personally think Arnel's voice is going to sound a lot better on them than Chalfant's too!

Just food for thought.

[Rockindeano]

I see your point Jim, but this whole thing sucks.

It's a flatout "Fuck You" to Steve Perry. That sucks.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I know there are lots of different opinions about the re-records, but what if the band were updating all of the songs and not keeping them the same as the original recordings? Just an idea here but what if a few were acoustic, or they experimented with some of the songs and changed them up? They do it live, so what if that's what's in the Revalations package deal?

Would you be more inclined to give it a listen then? What if the entire album is acoustic? Just some ideas to throw out there...I haven't read anywhere that they are going to be EXACTLY like the original versions!

For the record, I'll buy the hell out of this album and I'm really looking forward to hearing the re-records. I look at it just like I do with Chalfant's new album. I really enjoyed listening to them (even though they weren't as good as the originals). I personally think Arnel's voice is going to sound a lot better on them than Chalfant's too!

Just food for thought.

That would be interesting...
As long as they didn't fuck them up as bad as Bon Jovi did
when they went that route a few years back.

[jrnyman28]

Personally that is what I am hoping for. I do not like the idea of simply re-recording them the same as the originals. At least they should be updated to reflect how they are played live. And I would love to hear some subtle changes. I don't want a reggae version of DSB or something. But I don't want the Escape version with a new vocal either...

[Carlitto H@kk]

Maybe they re-recorded "Positive Touch" and replaced the
sax solo with a mean, sustainer-laiden Schon solo

[ProgRocker53]

1. Live-style Wheel in the SKy
2. Extended blues jam to LTS
3. Jazz-fusion guitar coda to one of the ballads
4. Layer in some acoustic guitar to DSB
5. Acoustic Stone in Love
6. Organ solo in Lights

some cool things like this would legitimize the disc to me..

[G.I.Jim]

Personally that is what I am hoping for. I do not like the idea of simply re-recording them the same as the originals. At least they should be updated to reflect how they are played live. And I would love to hear some subtle changes. I don't want a reggae version of DSB or something. But I don't want the Escape version with a new vocal either...

I'm with you on the reggae version! I bet if they did do a reggae re-record, Perry would want back in! He did that one song on Trial By Fire. I liked it, but thought it was very strange coming from Journey!

I've been wondering about the re-records since I first heard about it. I think they're going to change them up some! Guess we'll see in a couple of months.

[G.I.Jim]

Maybe they re-recorded "Positive Touch" and replaced the
sax solo with a mean, sustainer-laiden Schon solo

That WOULD be cool as hell! I do have to admit that I like the original though!

[Ehwmatt]

Yeah. I know they're a source of controversy among Birtles/Shorrock/Goble fans, but check out the Little River Band's "Rearranged" CD. They re-recorded a lot of the classics with some new touches and it honestly worked pretty well. Some of the songs, like "Forever Blue," even turned out way better than the original. Lots of extended jams too. I'd love to see this happen with the Journey re-records. Only way to redeem them in my eyes.

[Greg]

I know there are lots of different opinions about the re-records, but what if the band were updating all of the songs and not keeping them the same as the original recordings? Just an idea here but what if a few were acoustic, or they experimented with some of the songs and changed them up? They do it live, so what if that's what's in the Revalations package deal?

Would you be more inclined to give it a listen then? What if the entire album is acoustic? Just some ideas to throw out there...I haven't read anywhere that they are going to be EXACTLY like the original versions!

For the record, I'll buy the hell out of this album and I'm really looking forward to hearing the re-records. I look at it just like I do with Chalfant's new album. I really enjoyed listening to them (even though they weren't as good as the originals). I personally think Arnel's voice is going to sound a lot better on them than Chalfant's too!

Just food for thought.

I can almost guarantee that the re-records will not sound like the originals. If they did, why not just package the real GHs CD with the DVD and new CD? I don't believe you'll hear any acoustic versions, but you might hear something like Faithfully with just a piano possibly. Separate Ways will probably sound like it does in the concert. Maybe Don't Stop Believing would have the extra musical line in between the chorus and the second verse. But, no matter how much people may think Arnel sounds like Steve Perry (and he does have similar instances of Perryism) those songs will not sound like the originals. I guess the listener will have to wait and see if that is a good thing or bad thing, but I personally would take the originals over remakes any day of the week. Even if Journey remade those songs with Steve Perry, it wouldn't sound the same.

Same thing with the REO remake. I bought the package and listened to the re-record CD. Even though the songs were recorded with the original vocalist, I didn't like it. The originals sound 100% better. It's more or less a collector's item. Those who will buy the package just to get a greatest hits CD will probably be disappointed. Those buying the package for the new album probably won't care if the GH record sucks or not.

[Behshad]

What I want to know is their main reason behind the re-recording and what theyre trying to accomplish by it? Is it just to prove that they can still play those songs? Well they can do it live like theyve done before..... Is it so they can make more money of the same songs ? That couldnt be either considering theyre packing this with the new material rather than selling it seperately... Are they trying to gain some new fans who havent heard the classic songs??? I personaly think the time and money they spent on re-recording the classic couldve been used to something more useful than this,,,,,

[ProgRocker53]

Maybe they re-recorded "Positive Touch" and replaced the
sax solo with a mean, sustainer-laiden Schon solo

That WOULD be cool as hell! I do have to admit that I like the original though!

I LOVE the original. I think the sax actually makes the song, but a mean Schon solo would be cool to hear too.

I listened to ROR the other night for the first time in awhile. Very smooth disc, I love it.

[G.I.Jim]

I know there are lots of different opinions about the re-records, but what if the band were updating all of the songs and not keeping them the same as the original recordings? Just an idea here but what if a few were acoustic, or they experimented with some of the songs and changed them up? They do it live, so what if that's what's in the Revalations package deal?

Would you be more inclined to give it a listen then? What if the entire album is acoustic? Just some ideas to throw out there...I haven't read anywhere that they are going to be EXACTLY like the original versions!

For the record, I'll buy the hell out of this album and I'm really looking forward to hearing the re-records. I look at it just like I do with Chalfant's new album. I really enjoyed listening to them (even though they weren't as good as the originals). I personally think Arnel's voice is going to sound a lot better on them than Chalfant's too!

Just food for thought.

I can almost guarantee that the re-records will not sound like the originals. If they did, why not just package the real GHs CD with the DVD and new CD? I don't believe you'll hear any acoustic versions, but you might hear something like Faithfully with just a piano possibly. Separate Ways will probably sound like it does in the concert. Maybe Don't Stop Believing would have the extra musical line in between the chorus and the second verse. But, no matter how much people may think Arnel sounds like Steve Perry (and he does have similar instances of Perryism) those songs will not sound like the originals. I guess the listener will have to wait and see if that is a good thing or bad thing, but I personally would take the originals over remakes any day of the week. Even if Journey remade those songs with Steve Perry, it wouldn't sound the same.

Same thing with the REO remake. I bought the package and listened to the re-record CD. Even though the songs were recorded with the original vocalist, I didn't like it. The originals sound 100% better. It's more or less a collector's item. Those who will buy the package just to get a greatest hits CD will probably be disappointed. Those buying the package for the new album probably won't care if the GH record sucks or not.

I disagree about the re-records, but you make some valid points! I guess that I look at it as we already have the original versions...It's not like they're taking those away from us. They're just giving us more good music to listen to. Nothing will ever take the place of the originals. I guess it's kinda like having a dog. Once it dies, you get another one. You're not replacing the original and you still love it, but the new dog is awesome, and you love it also! Corny analogy I know!

[Greg]

What I want to know is their main reason behind the re-recording and what theyre trying to accomplish by it? Is it just to prove that they can still play those songs? Well they can do it live like theyve done before..... Is it so they can make more money of the same songs ? That couldnt be either considering theyre packing this with the new material rather than selling it seperately... Are they trying to gain some new fans who havent heard the classic songs??? I personaly think the time and money they spent on re-recording the classic couldve been used to something more useful than this,,,,,

Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!! "Johnny, what has he won?"

[G.I.Jim]

Maybe they re-recorded "Positive Touch" and replaced the
sax solo with a mean, sustainer-laiden Schon solo

That WOULD be cool as hell! I do have to admit that I like the original though!

I LOVE the original. I think the sax actually makes the song, but a mean Schon solo would be cool to hear too.

I listened to ROR the other night for the first time in awhile. Very smooth disc, I love it.

I know the reviewers hated ROR, but I've always loved it! They caught a lot of flack for it, but there's some amazing work on it. I definitely missed Smith and Ross on it, but it was still awesome. I like it in a different way than the other albums. To me, this one stands out there by itself.

[G.I.Jim]

What I want to know is their main reason behind the re-recording and what theyre trying to accomplish by it? Is it just to prove that they can still play those songs? Well they can do it live like theyve done before..... Is it so they can make more money of the same songs ? That couldnt be either considering theyre packing this with the new material rather than selling it seperately... Are they trying to gain some new fans who havent heard the classic songs??? I personaly think the time and money they spent on re-recording the classic couldve been used to something more useful than this,,,,,

Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!! "Johnny, what has he won?"

[Greg]

I know there are lots of different opinions about the re-records, but what if the band were updating all of the songs and not keeping them the same as the original recordings? Just an idea here but what if a few were acoustic, or they experimented with some of the songs and changed them up? They do it live, so what if that's what's in the Revalations package deal?

Would you be more inclined to give it a listen then? What if the entire album is acoustic? Just some ideas to throw out there...I haven't read anywhere that they are going to be EXACTLY like the original versions!

For the record, I'll buy the hell out of this album and I'm really looking forward to hearing the re-records. I look at it just like I do with Chalfant's new album. I really enjoyed listening to them (even though they weren't as good as the originals). I personally think Arnel's voice is going to sound a lot better on them than Chalfant's too!

Just food for thought.

I can almost guarantee that the re-records will not sound like the originals. If they did, why not just package the real GHs CD with the DVD and new CD? I don't believe you'll hear any acoustic versions, but you might hear something like Faithfully with just a piano possibly. Separate Ways will probably sound like it does in the concert. Maybe Don't Stop Believing would have the extra musical line in between the chorus and the second verse. But, no matter how much people may think Arnel sounds like Steve Perry (and he does have similar instances of Perryism) those songs will not sound like the originals. I guess the listener will have to wait and see if that is a good thing or bad thing, but I personally would take the originals over remakes any day of the week. Even if Journey remade those songs with Steve Perry, it wouldn't sound the same.

Same thing with the REO remake. I bought the package and listened to the re-record CD. Even though the songs were recorded with the original vocalist, I didn't like it. The originals sound 100% better. It's more or less a collector's item. Those who will buy the package just to get a greatest hits CD will probably be disappointed. Those buying the package for the new album probably won't care if the GH record sucks or not.

I disagree about the re-records, but you make some valid points! I guess that I look at it as we already have the original versions...It's not like they're taking those away from us. They're just giving us more good music to listen to. Nothing will ever take the place of the originals. I guess it's kinda like having a dog. Once it dies, you get another one. You're not replacing the original and you still love it, but the new dog is awesome, and you love it also! Corny analogy I know!

Well, think of it like this. Other than the hardcore Journey fans, who is going to go out and buy the new Journey album by itself (Unless it's heavily promoted?) No matter how good or bad the new album is going to be, a sure fire way of selling more copies of it is to package it with something the casual fan is going to be familiar with. And probably for whatever legal reasons or behind the scene reasons that I don't know of, Journey thinks it's a great idea to re-record the classics (and I'm not sure why but whatever.) This package will guarantee more album sales of the new album. How much more will remain to be seen, but this is a way to get around the lack of promotion a new classic rock album would be getting in today's music business.

[Behshad]

What I want to know is their main reason behind the re-recording and what theyre trying to accomplish by it? Is it just to prove that they can still play those songs? Well they can do it live like theyve done before..... Is it so they can make more money of the same songs ? That couldnt be either considering theyre packing this with the new material rather than selling it seperately... Are they trying to gain some new fans who havent heard the classic songs??? I personaly think the time and money they spent on re-recording the classic couldve been used to something more useful than this,,,,,

Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!! "Johnny, what has he won?"

As I said above, That would be the correct answer, IF they would sell the re-recordings SEPERATELY.....
But as confirmed, theyre just packing this in with the new cd/dvd, so they wont make THAT much EXTRA on the re-recordings,,,,, if they truly wanted to make money off of the old stuff, they would just release it by itself,,, or you think Neal isnt smart enough to figure out how to make MORE money of the fans!??? (Hope he doesnt read here no more, cause then he WILL change his mind about releasing the old classics on a different date and its own packaging,,,)

[Greg]

What I want to know is their main reason behind the re-recording and what theyre trying to accomplish by it? Is it just to prove that they can still play those songs? Well they can do it live like theyve done before..... Is it so they can make more money of the same songs ? That couldnt be either considering theyre packing this with the new material rather than selling it seperately... Are they trying to gain some new fans who havent heard the classic songs??? I personaly think the time and money they spent on re-recording the classic couldve been used to something more useful than this,,,,,

Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!! "Johnny, what has he won?"

As I said above, That would be the correct answer, IF they would sell the re-recordings SEPERATELY.....
But as confirmed, theyre just packing this in with the new cd/dvd, so they wont make THAT much EXTRA on the re-recordings,,,,, if they truly wanted to make money off of the old stuff, they would just release it by itself,,, or you think Neal isnt smart enough to figure out how to make MORE money of the fans!??? (Hope he doesnt read here no more, cause then he WILL change his mind about releasing the old classics on a different date and its own packaging,,,)

I actually don't believe it would be any more profitable for Journey to release another GH album by itself UNLESS it had something different from what the other GH albums had. Most everybody who likes Journey enough to purchase the GH already has one version or another of the GHs. I guess they're thinking this version offers something different (well yeah, new lead singer, DVD and new CD with it.) However, marketing another GHs album with another lead singer would be a big flop. I have (or at least had) a copy of Chalfant's tribute to Journey and didn't like his version of the hits.

There are just some classics a band shouldn't touch.

[Red13JoePa]

Maybe they re-recorded "Positive Touch" and replaced the
sax solo with a mean, sustainer-laiden Schon solo

Damn you, Hooks, DAMN you
That sax is the awesome part of that great song and donchu forget it.

I've a1ways wanted them to dust that song off 1ive (on1y p1ayed once to my know1edge, and I'11 take that copy any time you're ready, RockingDeano)

[G.I.Jim]

Maybe they re-recorded "Positive Touch" and replaced the
sax solo with a mean, sustainer-laiden Schon solo

Damn you, Hooks, DAMN you
That sax is the awesome part of that great song and donchu forget it.

I've a1ways wanted them to dust that song off 1ive (on1y p1ayed once to my know1edge, and I'11 take that copy any time you're ready, RockingDeano)

Red! WTF, is your "L" key missing or something???

[Greg]

I see your point Jim, but this whole thing sucks.

It's a flatout "Fuck You" to Steve Perry. That sucks.

I agree 100%.

[Red13JoePa]

No, I'm INTEND my posts to use numbers now in homage to Suzer.

[Carlitto H@kk]

[...or you think Neal isnt smart enough to figure out how to make MORE money of the fans!??? (Hope he doesnt read here no more, cause then he WILL change his mind about releasing the old classics on a different date and its own packaging,,,)

Careful, Neal may read here, figuring out there are
ways to juice us for more cash and call up Paul & Gene
for marketing/merchandising advice

[Behshad]

No, I'm INTEND my posts to use numbers now in homage to Suzer.

Thats awesome dude !!!
KUD05 T0 Y0U (AND Y0UR L0NG L0ST 8RIDE)

[texafana]

" WHAT IF THE RE-RECORDS WHERE "UPDATED"???"

I'm sure they will be. I'm hoping they will have heavier sounding guitars, drums, etc. Vegas sounded kick ass, Neals guitar is much more heavier/bluesy than it's been in years. Arnel's voice has a serious thick/rock texture to it that's going to sound awesome on studio cuts. Neal's always wanted to have a slightly heavier sound in Journey, I think he's finally getting his chance. This is a very exciting time for current Journey fans, you "live in the past" types, enjoy your boots, dvd's, etc, everyone else, here comes the tour, some new tunes, a new cd/dvd combo. Journey has their best lead vocalist since Steve Perry, wow... about fking time.

[Sarah]

They'd better update the songs if they're spending time on this. Otherwise they might as well just mix Arnel into the old recordings and save a lot of time.

[Saint John]

They'd better update the songs if they're spending time on this. Otherwise they might as well just mix Arnel into the old recordings and save a lot of time.

The re-records are completely new. Every band member was involved. I expect it to sound fresh, modern and different. I'm really starting to like this idea even more.

[Don]

Maybe they are doing it for the new generation who don't know any of the songs beyond 'Faithfully' or 'Don't Stop believin'
When they hear Arnel sing 'Wheel in the sky' or LTS, they might think he always sang those songs. That way the songs will sound the same to them if they go to see a Journey concert instead of associating them With Steve Perry. I mean go ask a Laguna Beach Fan who Steve perry is and it's 50/50 you get a correct answer even though the person probably downloaded DSB after hearing it on the show. This marketing may be for the new fan who doesn't know about their legacy.

[texafana]

...This marketing may be for the new fan who doesn't know about their legacy.

I think this comes into play as well.