Honestly..The new songs...

[JrnySuxBalls]

"JSS? I never heard him" - Kevin Shirley

[RockitRide]

I'm bummed they're not a different direction.

There are a million other bands to listen to if you want to hear "a different direction". By definition, fans are fans of a particular band or style of music because they like the sound. I don't see this as a valid bitch.

[jrnyman28]

I'll never buy the re-recorded so I guess I won't be buying the new package. There are a few songs from both Arrival & Generations that I like.

Think of it this way: You are BUYING the new material, you are GETTING the DVD and the re-records for FREE. If you don't want or like them throw them away. But buy the new stuff! Classic rock bands need the support. We will never make a statement to the masses about this music if we do not buy it!

[SteveForever]

I'll never buy the re-recorded so I guess I won't be buying the new package. There are a few songs from both Arrival & Generations that I like.

Think of it this way: You are BUYING the new material, you are GETTING the DVD and the re-records for FREE. If you don't want or like them throw them away. But buy the new stuff! Classic rock bands need the support. We will never make a statement to the masses about this music if we do not buy it!

It seems disrespectful to Perry and that is still where the fans hearts are.
What they should have done is included every singer on this thing so that
you could listen to all the diff. styles and then have the new guy on the dvd if that's what they wanted and new songs...
but to pretend like the others never existed is queer. They should have embraced their past completely.

[jrnyman28]

It seems disrespectful to Perry and that is still where the fans hearts are.

Well, I understand that the fans can feel that way...doesn't mean it actually IS disrespectful to him.

What they should have done is included every singer on this thing so that
you could listen to all the diff. styles

I think that would just confuse everybody. AND it might distract them AWAY from the new singer. I also don't really expect to hear a Deen vocal on this CD for the same reason. (But, of course, I could be wrong.)

and then have the new guy on the dvd if that's what they wanted and new songs...

Well, they went that way with Live 2001 and it was fine. But, although I am not a fan of this re-record idea unless it comes with substantial updates to the songs, I don't see why the band can't re-record THEIR songs any way they want to!

but to pretend like the others never existed is queer. They should have embraced their past completely.

I think that, again, is a fan perception based on their adorartion of a time-period. And that is ok, but I still don't think that is what the band is trying to do. I think they were given a boatload of money and one of the contingencies was that they offer a newly recorded GH package. I think the band made a business decision.

[tammy]

I'll never buy the re-recorded so I guess I won't be buying the new package. There are a few songs from both Arrival & Generations that I like.

Think of it this way: You are BUYING the new material, you are GETTING the DVD and the re-records for FREE. If you don't want or like them throw them away. But buy the new stuff! Classic rock bands need the support. We will never make a statement to the masses about this music if we do not buy it!

Nah. I could look at it that way, but I don't. To me it is just disrespectful to Steve Perry...makes me think they had no feelings. This is my statement to Jrny.

[ProgRocker53]

I'm bummed they're not a different direction.

There are a million other bands to listen to if you want to hear "a different direction". By definition, fans are fans of a particular band or style of music because they like the sound. I don't see this as a valid bitch.

Journey has always retained a similar sound, but with variations, through all of their albums.

I expect an album with the Journey "sound" but with something different that we haven't heard yet. As good as Escape and Frontiers are, I don't wanna hear the same album ten times in a band's career, that's why I hardly listen to AC/DC or Tom Petty by the albumload.

[YoungJRNY]

Come on, it's no disrespect to Steve Perry. Steve Perry is the one who wants nothing to do with the band anymore after the band has tried time and time again to get him back at good will, and clear whatever bad blood they have stored. I like this move by Journey, just goes to show what power they do have and makes it known that they won't sit back with a finger up their ass anymore.

People say it's holding onto the past. I think it's just the exact opposite. For a band to re-do their classic hits with their new lead singer shows volume and mass on where they want to head, direction wise (as far as the hits go.) They are making it known that they moved on without Perry, and this is what we are now. They are sick of living in Perry's shadow, and with Perry having nothing to do with them, neither do they want anything to do with Perry, and that FUCKING SUCKKKKKKS. It's something the band should do, even though they know it won't bode over with some fans. It might make sense, it might not. Interesting, nonetheless.

[SteveForever]

Come on, it's no disrespect to Steve Perry. Steve Perry is the one who wants nothing to do with the band anymore after the band has tried time and time again to get him back at good will, and clear whatever bad blood they have stored. I like this move by Journey, just goes to show what power they do have and makes it known that they won't sit back with a finger up their ass anymore.

People say it's holding onto the past. I think it's just the exact opposite. For a band to re-do their classic hits with their new lead singer shows volume and mass on where they want to head, direction wise (as far as the hits go.) They are making it known that they moved on without Perry, and this is what we are now. They are sick of living in Perry's shadow, and with Perry having nothing to do with them, neither do they want anything to do with Perry, and that SUCKKKKKKS. It's something the band should do, even though they know it won't bode over with some fans. It might make sense, it might not. Interesting, nonetheless.

I wish them all the luck in the world with this plan, but I have no need for a bunch of extra songs that I already have
so, no thanks. If your dad got remarried you would see how it hurt your mother=even if she doesn't want him anymore, so yes its disrespectful because he
made those songs what they are. Not Arnel, Not JSS, Not Augeri.

[Red13JoePa]

It seems disrespectful to Perry and that is still where the fans hearts are.

No, my 1ove, that's where perryon1y fans' hearts are.
Remember, they're fans not of Journey but of a singer.

[Deb]

It seems disrespectful to Perry and that is still where the fans hearts are.

No, my 1ove, that's where perryon1y fans' hearts are.
Remember, they're fans not of Journey but of a singer.

LOL, you having problems with your "L"s again?

[Red13JoePa]

It seems disrespectful to Perry and that is still where the fans hearts are.

No, my 1ove, that's where perryon1y fans' hearts are.
Remember, they're fans not of Journey but of a singer.

LOL, you having problems with your "L"s again?

Yea, is it showing?

Not hurting my impact, is it?

Deano and Cyndy Poon actua11y showed me the 1 gimmick to try and fruit1ess1y get around it.
I'm not a11 that bright, you see.

[Deb]

It seems disrespectful to Perry and that is still where the fans hearts are.

No, my 1ove, that's where perryon1y fans' hearts are.
Remember, they're fans not of Journey but of a singer.

LOL, you having problems with your "L"s again?

Yea, is it showing?

Not hurting my impact, is it?

Deano and Cyndy Poon actua11y showed me the 1 gimmick to try and fruit1ess1y get around it.
I'm not a11 that bright, you see.

Good call using the "1"s, I almost didn't catch it. But hey, nothing gets by me.........I'm pretty bright!

[Deb]

Come on, it's no disrespect to Steve Perry. Steve Perry is the one who wants nothing to do with the band anymore after the band has tried time and time again to get him back at good will, and clear whatever bad blood they have stored. I like this move by Journey, just goes to show what power they do have and makes it known that they won't sit back with a finger up their ass anymore.

People say it's holding onto the past. I think it's just the exact opposite. For a band to re-do their classic hits with their new lead singer shows volume and mass on where they want to head, direction wise (as far as the hits go.) They are making it known that they moved on without Perry, and this is what we are now. They are sick of living in Perry's shadow, and with Perry having nothing to do with them, neither do they want anything to do with Perry, and that SUCKKKKKKS. It's something the band should do, even though they know it won't bode over with some fans. It might make sense, it might not. Interesting, nonetheless.

I wish them all the luck in the world with this plan, but I have no need for a bunch of extra songs that I already have
so, no thanks. If your dad got remarried you would see how it hurt your mother=even if she doesn't want him anymore, so yes its disrespectful because he
made those songs what they are. Not Arnel, Not JSS, Not Augeri.

Luv ya Liz, but actually "they" made those songs what they are. Perry and Schon together are magic......and will never be duplicated. Don't get me wrong, I hate the idea of them re-recording the classics, actually didn't like it even when it was mentioned with JSS. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. To me it's a waste. An example, my friend/neighbor that came along to Melodicrockfest enjoyed Kevin Chalfant singing the Journey songs and bought his cd there. I asked her a while ago how she liked it and she said she's probably only listened to it the once.......and has listened to her Journey's greatest hits.

[amaron]

so yes its disrespectful because he made those songs what they are. Not Arnel, Not JSS, Not Augeri.

Is it 1998? It can't be.

[Stoneyman]

Yes it is kind of a slap to Perry. But he basically controlled everything for a long time and there was no Journey period. He held them hostage for such a long time that the family vibe is long gone. Some people might see it as Perry disrespecting Jon and Neal by being a wishy washy recluse for nearly 10 straight years when they were a team and business unto themselves. Neal and Jon want to work and play the songs that help define their careers. If it were up to Perry Journey would have quit when he did. I am of the opinion that I would rather have some Journey than no Journey.
Rerecording the songs to me is silly and useless. But they can do whatever they want to THEIR music. I am not insulted as fan that they did it, because they are the ones who have to worry about their legacy. No matter what I can always get out my Journey/Perry cd's and have at it.
The novelty of the Arnel classics will fade as quickly as they appear and everyone will be back to the real classics. No harm, no foul.

[Journey69]

Yes it is kind of a slap to Perry. But he basically controlled everything for a long time and there was no Journey period. He held them hostage for such a long time that the family vibe is long gone. Some people might see it as Perry disrespecting Jon and Neal by being a wishy washy recluse for nearly 10 straight years when they were a team and business unto themselves. Neal and Jon want to work and play the songs that help define their careers. If it were up to Perry Journey would have quit when he did. I am of the opinion that I would rather have some Journey than no Journey.
Rerecording the songs to me is silly and useless. But they can do whatever they want to THEIR music. I am not insulted as fan that they did it, because they are the ones who have to worry about their legacy. No matter what I can always get out my Journey/Perry cd's and have at it.
The novelty of the Arnel classics will fade as quickly as they appear and everyone will be back to the real classics. No harm, no foul.

I don't think they are doing it to piss Perry off,maybe indirectly..I think they are doing it more of a bridge..They want to get Arnel in the fans minds,past and present..Maybe using the classic catalog to start out the new fans..Its a statement to let everyone know that Journey wasn't just Steve Perry.. Just a thought.. People that grew up with Journey like me..Know SP,the 20 yr olds are growing up with Arnel now..

[Arkansas]

I am with Tammy. I will not be buying the package either., iregardless of the price.

weak....

'irregardless' is a word?
j/k ...


later~

[Saint John]

If someone can verify that this is insulting or a "slap" to Perry please let me know so I can buy multiple copies of this package. Perry has been bitch slapping Journey fans for 20+ years. Payback time!!!

[Journey69]

If someone can verify that this is insulting or a "slap" to Perry please let me know so I can buy multiple copies of this package. Perry has been bitch slapping Journey fans for 20+ years. Payback time!!!

I would agree with that..!

[Arkansas]

Yes it is kind of a slap to Perry. But he basically controlled everything for a long time and there was no Journey period. He held them hostage for such a long time that the family vibe is long gone. Some people might see it as Perry disrespecting Jon and Neal by being a wishy washy recluse for nearly 10 straight years when they were a team and business unto themselves. Neal and Jon want to work and play the songs that help define their careers. If it were up to Perry Journey would have quit when he did. I am of the opinion that I would rather have some Journey than no Journey.
Rerecording the songs to me is silly and useless. But they can do whatever they want to THEIR music. I am not insulted as fan that they did it, because they are the ones who have to worry about their legacy. No matter what I can always get out my Journey/Perry cd's and have at it.
The novelty of the Arnel classics will fade as quickly as they appear and everyone will be back to the real classics. No harm, no foul.

I don't think they are doing it to piss Perry off,maybe indirectly..I think they are doing it more of a bridge..They want to get Arnel in the fans minds,past and present..Maybe using the classic catalog to start out the new fans..Its a statement to let everyone know that Journey wasn't just Steve Perry.. Just a thought.. People that grew up with Journey like me..Know SP,the 20 yr olds are growing up with Arnel now..

This is all such a weak, old, and tired, argument. I guaran d@mn tee you that this has absolutely nothing to do with bad attitudes toward Perry. It's not a slap in the face. It's simply a means to keep the catalog alive and selling. In fact, it's probably homage to the Perry era. They know what sells. AND, they know that this all puts more $$$ in their pockets - including Perry. Geez loueeze.

It's very apparent that Journey is still a sellable commodity today. They are relying on it, and Perry knows it too. He wants them out there doing this. THEY are making him money, and he has to do nothing but sit back and watch his bankroll grow.

Call it folly, if you want. (I call it great business!) But the truth is that the general buying public will go for it, and they've already gotten guaranteed dollars from WM, the biggest retailer in the free world, et al.

I would absolutely love to be Perry in this situation, and so would you. Perry's (in part) music is being kept alive, he's got a touring band promoting it, a new album coming out, and he has to do nothing but take his morning walks on the San Diego beach.

Wow. Envy...green with envy. Yes, YOU too.


later~

[Saint John]

It's a win-win situation for Perry. If it tanks, his HUGE ego becomes even bigger, and if it does well his bank account might come close to rivaling his ego. The man is in the catbird seat...per usual.

[lparn]

sorry not interested in the rerecordings of the older songs at least not at this point in time.
I am also not on board with the changes within the band and lineup and the fact that all this hype and packaging etc should and could have been done over the past 8 years especially after arrival and even generations came out.
Seems pointless to me to rerecord these songs at this point and have heard and read some of the reviews from the 08 shows so far. I cannot see spending money on something I am not interested in regardless of the price.

[SteveForever]

It's a win-win situation for Perry. If it tanks, his HUGE ego becomes even bigger, and if it does well his bank account might come close to rivaling his ego. The man is in the catbird seat...per usual.

Do you think they should state on the package ...

Steve Perry is not singing on this album or This is a re-recording of previous hits with our NEW singer?
or are they just going to act like its him? if Steve has any business ethic he will insist on this if he
is getting compensated and if he gave them the green light.

Doesn't matter which singer you like best, the biggest hits were because of Perry (and Schon)
and to pretend like he's still in the band sux balz.

Again, I'm all for the new singer on the new material and singing live in concert, but to re-record
the classic hits it ridiculous.
I'm the ultimate consumer and I'm telling you this is wrong to market this without a disclaimer,
there will be returns. I don't think it will do very good anyway, the market is already saturated with
Journey stuff.

The Eagles thing was entirely different, it was NEW songs with the original band members.

[tammy]

Hmmm... I thought the catalog was alive and selling already! I don't understand. We've seen the GH on the billboard ratings thing multiple times in recent years. I don't know WHY exactly Jrny present is doing this...but, yes, the answer for most everything is always "money"...do they really feel good about this decision, I wonder? Maybe, in the upcoming interviews they will discuss why the re-recordings...I can't imagine any interviewer not asking this. How will they answer?

[Saint John]

[
Do you think they should state on the package ...

Steve Perry is not singing on this album or This is a re-recording of previous hits with our NEW singer?

Absolutely NOT. It has the name Journey on it and that is all they need to "state." If someone has been in a coma for 20+ years and doesn't realize that Perry has refused to toured for nearly a quarter century with his "brothers" then that's their own fault. To have the audacity to think ( and I'm not saying you do) that Journey has to specify that a guy that hasn't toured with them since fucking Reagan was in office, is not in the band, is absurd.

[Arkansas]

I think they're all in the catbird seat. It's a vested interest. Azoff proved it with The Eagles, and now it looks to be validated with Journey. Anything that WM is paying 'people all-Journey' for this project is pure profit. The real work was done years ago when the music was created and they toured it non-stop (Chicago eleven times!). They peaked with Escape and carried-on with Frontiers...then branched into ROR, which solidly transitioned Journey from pop/rock to A/C. They came back with TBF which shipped top of the market right out of the gate.

Steve Smith is still making Journey money. I hope Fleischman still gets royalties from WITS. And of course I wish the best for Gregg Rolie. (Why isn't he in the band now?) And I really hope that Valory was/is able to regain big financial status from it all. DC may be a hired-gun, but I'm sure he's paid well.

Thing is, all the old talk about Journey being 'corporate' was right. And I applaud that hugely. Good, bad, right, or wrong...fish, fight or #uck, it's all a win-win.

There may be some animosities somewhere, but my gut is that they're all older and past all that juveniile crap. It's pure business...big business. They're doing what they (all involved) think is right for their 'company'.

Should Ford Motor Company have quit making vehicles because Henry was gone? Uh, no.


later~

[SteveForever]

[
Do you think they should state on the package ...

Steve Perry is not singing on this album or This is a re-recording of previous hits with our NEW singer?

Absolutely NOT. It has the name Journey on it and that is all they need to "state." If someone has been in a coma for 20+ years and doesn't realize that Perry has refused to toured for nearly a quarter century with his "brothers" then that's their own fault. To have the audacity to think ( and I'm not saying you do) that Journey has to specify that a guy that hasn't toured with them since fucking Reagan was in office, is not in the band, is absurd.

Of course people know he's not in the band, so putting the classics out people will assume these are his recordings.
Why can't Arnel's new songs and the live dvd be enough? I just don't get it, but doesn't matter its not gonna do that great anyway.

[Jeremey]

I think they're all in the catbird seat. It's a vested interest. Azoff proved it with The Eagles, and now it looks to be validated with Journey. Anything that WM is paying 'people all-Journey' for this project is pure profit. The real work was done years ago when the music was created and they toured it non-stop (Chicago eleven times!). They peaked with Escape and carried-on with Frontiers...then branched into ROR, which solidly transitioned Journey from pop/rock to A/C. They came back with TBF which shipped top of the market right out of the gate.

Steve Smith is still making Journey money. I hope Fleischman still gets royalties from WITS. And of course I wish the best for Gregg Rolie. (Why isn't he in the band now?) And I really hope that Valory was/is able to regain big financial status from it all. DC may be a hired-gun, but I'm sure he's paid well.

Thing is, all the old talk about Journey being 'corporate' was right. And I applaud that hugely. Good, bad, right, or wrong...fish, fight or #uck, it's all a win-win.

There may be some animosities somewhere, but my gut is that they're all older and past all that juveniile crap. It's pure business...big business. They're doing what they (all involved) think is right for their 'company'.

Should Ford Motor Company have quit making vehicles because Henry was gone? Uh, no.


later~

Amen Brother!

[Saint John]

[
Do you think they should state on the package ...

Steve Perry is not singing on this album or This is a re-recording of previous hits with our NEW singer?

Absolutely NOT. It has the name Journey on it and that is all they need to "state." If someone has been in a coma for 20+ years and doesn't realize that Perry has refused to toured for nearly a quarter century with his "brothers" then that's their own fault. To have the audacity to think ( and I'm not saying you do) that Journey has to specify that a guy that hasn't toured with them since fucking Reagan was in office, is not in the band, is absurd.

Of course people know he's not in the band, so putting the classics out people will assume these are his recordings.
Why can't Arnel's new songs and the live dvd be enough? I just don't get it, but doesn't matter its not gonna do that great anyway.

It's being given away as "free" from what I'm told. Personally, I think Journey can do whatever Journey wants with Journey's songs. Perry will get paid royalties. And just maybe if he hadn't been such a standoffish prick in the first place they wouldn't be doing this. Everyone wins here. This is a no-brainer.