Honestly..The new songs...

[RocknRoll]

I think they're all in the catbird seat. It's a vested interest. Azoff proved it with The Eagles, and now it looks to be validated with Journey. Anything that WM is paying 'people all-Journey' for this project is pure profit. The real work was done years ago when the music was created and they toured it non-stop (Chicago eleven times!). They peaked with Escape and carried-on with Frontiers...then branched into ROR, which solidly transitioned Journey from pop/rock to A/C. They came back with TBF which shipped top of the market right out of the gate.

Steve Smith is still making Journey money. I hope Fleischman still gets royalties from WITS. And of course I wish the best for Gregg Rolie. (Why isn't he in the band now?) And I really hope that Valory was/is able to regain big financial status from it all. DC may be a hired-gun, but I'm sure he's paid well.

Thing is, all the old talk about Journey being 'corporate' was right. And I applaud that hugely. Good, bad, right, or wrong...fish, fight or #uck, it's all a win-win.

There may be some animosities somewhere, but my gut is that they're all older and past all that juveniile crap. It's pure business...big business. They're doing what they (all involved) think is right for their 'company'.

Should Ford Motor Company have quit making vehicles because Henry was gone? Uh, no.


later~

Amen Brother!

Hey Jeremey - When is that Chicago date? I would love to hear you and your band and would it be safe for a fan of all things Journey to show up at your show?

Arkansas- Great comments and I agree completely.

[tammy]

Anytime I see the word, "the company" here I think of the movie, "The Firm".

[Jeremey]

Chicago should be late June...I'll let you know as soon as it's confirmed!

[SteveForever]

royalties. And just maybe if he hadn't been such a standoffish prick in the first place they wouldn't be doing this. Everyone wins here. This is a no-brainer.

I prefer to acknowledge him as a "creative genius", "savant" or "renaissance man"....standoffish prick is a little harsh.

[RebornJrny]

Have me seriously worried.. I thought Neal said he was going to go back to the old musical sound? I didn't think he meant Raised on Radio.. The 3 new songs don't do anything for me..I really hope they sound better on the cd.. Does anyone share this thought besides the Perry loons?

We should be thankful "After all these years" our beloved Journey still making music. Neal Schon is the real Journey!

[Jeremey]

Have me seriously worried.. I thought Neal said he was going to go back to the old musical sound? I didn't think he meant Raised on Radio.. The 3 new songs don't do anything for me..I really hope they sound better on the cd.. Does anyone share this thought besides the Perry loons?

We should be thankful "After all these years" our beloved Journey still making music. Neal Schon is the real Journey!

Hey Neal!

[Saint John]

royalties. And just maybe if he hadn't been such a standoffish prick in the first place they wouldn't be doing this. Everyone wins here. This is a no-brainer.

I prefer to acknowledge him as a "creative genius", "savant" or "renaissance man"....standoffish prick is a little harsh.

Nope. Asking them to fold up Journey because he didn't want to continue and doping them into signing an agreement where they couldn't re-record their songs (granted, songs that he was a large part of) makes him a prick in my book. Sure wasn't a problem when he pimped out Journey and sang Street Talk songs during the ROR/pseudo-Street Talk tour. He's all for anything that's good for him. Kind of like the "gag" orders, complete editorial control of Behind The Music, and making himself a 1/6 member during Augeri's tenure.

[Arkansas]

Whatever you do, wherever you work, the product is NOT owned by you. It's owned by the 'company'. If you make road signs, can you demand that your state not use them any more? If you design jeans for Calvin Klein, can you demand that he not sell them anymore? If you write code for a computer firm, or litigate for a law firm, can you declare that this was your work, and your work only?

The owners of said work have the rights to ownership of whatever you do. And even if there is some point of contention on any given piece of creativity, and the arbitration (if necessary) declares limits, then you, and them, have no say-so once the agreement has matured.

Writing a song is no different than writing a computer program. How many people at IBM or Microsoft still lay claim to what they once did? Maybe many...but how many legally? If I create a new motorcycle for HD, and I get all my royalties due, and agree to sunset the agreement, how can anyone claim that I still OWN that? Yes, it's nice to be considered the creator and get all the respect, but I wouldn't own it. Journey is no different with their music.

Can I demand that HD quit making making 'my' model of bike? Nope. Hopefully, me and my smart lawyers made sure that my royalties are in concrete. No doubt that Perry's staff did that for him.

Why do fans think that they know better?


later~

[RebornJrny]

Have me seriously worried.. I thought Neal said he was going to go back to the old musical sound? I didn't think he meant Raised on Radio.. The 3 new songs don't do anything for me..I really hope they sound better on the cd.. Does anyone share this thought besides the Perry loons?

We should be thankful "After all these years" our beloved Journey still making music. Neal Schon is the real Journey!

Hey Neal!

How you doing Jeremey?

~Fro

[SteveForever]

royalties. And just maybe if he hadn't been such a standoffish prick in the first place they wouldn't be doing this. Everyone wins here. This is a no-brainer.

I prefer to acknowledge him as a "creative genius", "savant" or "renaissance man"....standoffish prick is a little harsh.

Nope. Asking them to fold up Journey because he didn't want to continue and doping them into signing an agreement where they couldn't re-record their songs (granted, songs that he was a large part of) makes him a prick in my book. Sure wasn't a problem when he pimped out Journey and sang Street Talk songs during the ROR/pseudo-Street Talk tour. He's all for anything that's good for him. Kind of like the "gag" orders, complete editorial control of Behind The Music, and making himself a 1/6 member during Augeri's tenure.

Whatever, you've change re: Perry, I'm still a fan but I can sadly see you aren't. It doesn't matter, their
new stuff won't sell that much and this will be their last album. Neal is the only reason I've stuck around,
he has given it his best and I admire that.

*We all know they can do whatever they want, no one has disputed that Arkansas.

[tammy]

I guess for me it is just hard to think of these songs as just product. I don't think I know more, but I do decide what I will support or not.

[RocknRoll]

Have me seriously worried.. I thought Neal said he was going to go back to the old musical sound? I didn't think he meant Raised on Radio.. The 3 new songs don't do anything for me..I really hope they sound better on the cd.. Does anyone share this thought besides the Perry loons?

We should be thankful "After all these years" our beloved Journey still making music. Neal Schon is the real Journey!

Hey Neal!

How you doing Jeremey?

~Fro

It's all good.

[Saint John]

I'm a fan of Steve Perry the artist and the voice. Overall as a human being he seems like a top notch human being, but as it pertains specifically to Journey, he was a terribly destructive force starting around 1983 and has systematically torn them down since. Don't EVER say I'm not a Steve Perry fan either. That dude possesses the greatest voice and emotive skills I've ever heard. Sorry, I just don't think he can walk on water like some do.

[tammy]

I'm not sure I follow why you think SP was a "destructive force" to the band. He clearly gave everything he had to give & was utterly drained...imagine singing at that intensity, night after night, all those tour dates...I'm not gonna go into all the old stuff, but Jrny has a record of not exactly treating their lead singers properly. I wish AP well, he has a great voice and is living the American Dream. I don't think SP walks on water - just champagne.

[Saint John]

I'm not sure I follow why you think SP was a "destructive force" to the band. He clearly gave everything he had to give & was utterly drained...imagine singing at that intensity, night after night, all those tour dates...I'm not gonna go into all the old stuff, but Jrny has a record of not exactly treating their lead singers properly. I wish AP well, he has a great voice and is living the American Dream. I don't think SP walks on water - just champagne.

Decides he's tired in 1983, yet he records a solo album in 1984. Decides he's "toast" in 1986 but records Against The Wall in 1987. Decides he doesn't need to tour with Journey on the "Flopsome" tour yet when they move on with Rolie and Chalfant in 1995 he magically feels like being in the band again. Records, fires their manager, abandons the tour, and leaves them FUCKED. Makes them sign agreements, gag orders, and makes his non-touring ass the 6th member. Certainly doesn't seem like a "constructive" force to me.

[ttango1]

I'm not sure I follow why you think SP was a "destructive force" to the band. He clearly gave everything he had to give & was utterly drained...imagine singing at that intensity, night after night, all those tour dates...I'm not gonna go into all the old stuff, but Jrny has a record of not exactly treating their lead singers properly. I wish AP well, he has a great voice and is living the American Dream. I don't think SP walks on water - just champagne.

Decides he's tired in 1983, yet he records a solo album in 1984. Decides he's "toast" in 1986 but records Against The Wall in 1987. Decides he doesn't need to tour with Journey on the "Flopsome" tour yet when they move on with Rolie and Chalfant in 1995 he magically feels like being in the band again. Records, fires their manager, abandons the tour, and leaves them FUCKED. Makes them sign agreements, gag orders, and makes his non-touring ass the 6th member. Certainly doesn't seem like a "constructive" force to me.

He can do no wrong ...he's Steve F'in Perry and now...he's F'in gone. The Journey continues without Steve and you know what? IT WAS HIS CHOICE.
Peace out and welcome Arnel.

[Saint John]

I'm not sure I follow why you think SP was a "destructive force" to the band. He clearly gave everything he had to give & was utterly drained...imagine singing at that intensity, night after night, all those tour dates...I'm not gonna go into all the old stuff, but Jrny has a record of not exactly treating their lead singers properly. I wish AP well, he has a great voice and is living the American Dream. I don't think SP walks on water - just champagne.

Decides he's tired in 1983, yet he records a solo album in 1984. Decides he's "toast" in 1986 but records Against The Wall in 1987. Decides he doesn't need to tour with Journey on the "Flopsome" tour yet when they move on with Rolie and Chalfant in 1995 he magically feels like being in the band again. Records, fires their manager, abandons the tour, and leaves them FUCKED. Makes them sign agreements, gag orders, and makes his non-touring ass the 6th member. Certainly doesn't seem like a "constructive" force to me.

He can do no wrong ...he's Steve F'in Perry and now...he's F'in gone. The Journey continues without Steve and you know what? IT WAS HIS CHOICE.
Peace out and welcome Arnel.

Agreed!!!

[tammy]

yeah, peace out.

[RedWingFan]

I'm not sure I follow why you think SP was a "destructive force" to the band. He clearly gave everything he had to give & was utterly drained...imagine singing at that intensity, night after night, all those tour dates...I'm not gonna go into all the old stuff, but Jrny has a record of not exactly treating their lead singers properly. I wish AP well, he has a great voice and is living the American Dream. I don't think SP walks on water - just champagne.

Decides he's tired in 1983, yet he records a solo album in 1984. Decides he's "toast" in 1986 but records Against The Wall in 1987. Decides he doesn't need to tour with Journey on the "Flopsome" tour yet when they move on with Rolie and Chalfant in 1995 he magically feels like being in the band again. Records, fires their manager, abandons the tour, and leaves them FUCKED. Makes them sign agreements, gag orders, and makes his non-touring ass the 6th member. Certainly doesn't seem like a "constructive" force to me.

He can do no wrong ...he's Steve F'in Perry and now...he's F'in gone. The Journey continues without Steve and you know what? IT WAS HIS CHOICE.
Peace out and welcome Arnel.

Gotta disagree with the both of you here. Perry lost it and wanted to put the name to bed. Neal and Cain continued to pulverize the stone trying to get the last drops of blood from it. Now all they've done with Arnel is gotten out the old super glue and masking tape and are trying to put the thing back together again.
You have to admit the credibility of the band left the building with Perry. Perry could still be with the band and give what little he has left and rake in cash. I think he knows the fans deserve better than that. I respect the hell out of him for that.
Journey opened for Leppard. Their new cd is not even headlining their new triple pack they're putting out. Sad.
I'm sure the new cd will have some tunes I like, but this whole deal just reeks of one last money grab.

[YoungJRNY]

Please. If Journey would have called it quits after Perry put the nail in the coffin, there would be howling crys' coming from within Journey-land. "Oh why Neal, why couldn't you just go on with a new singer, and keep the Journey name?! why?! how can you do this to us? How can you do this to your fans? You give two shits about your fans, wah, wah. wah..."

Christ, love every second that this band is actually still in tact..LOVE IT..LOOOOVEEE ITTTT, they might not be here too much longer since they aren't young bucks anymore.


LOVE IT.

[Maui Tom]

Please. If Journey would have called it quits after Perry put the nail in the coffin, there would be howling crys' coming from within Journey-land. "Oh why Neal, why couldn't you just go on with a new singer, and keep the Journey name?! why?! how can you do this to us? How can you do this to your fans? You give two shits about your fans, wah, wah. wah..."

Christ, love every second that this band is actually still in tact..LOVE IT..LOOOOVEEE ITTTT, they might not be here too much longer since they aren't young bucks anymore.


LOVE IT.

Fuckin' A right.

[ttango1]

Gotta disagree with the both of you here

That's fine...you can do that.

Perry lost it

Totally agree with your words here.

There was a Journey before SP and it continues on with AP and despite the (continued) grumblings from some fans, a great many more are happy that the Scarab is flying yet again.

[RedWingFan]

Please. If Journey would have called it quits after Perry put the nail in the coffin, there would be howling crys' coming from within Journey-land. "Oh why Neal, why couldn't you just go on with a new singer, and keep the Journey name?! why?! how can you do this to us? How can you do this to your fans? You give two shits about your fans, wah, wah. wah..."

You know there were ALOT of people who didn't want ole Barbaro put down either, but it was for the best.

[RedWingFan]

the Scarab is flying yet again.

Please note my Barbaro analogy.
The Scarab is NOT flying. The scarab will be tucked away, neatly sandwiched between butchered Perry recordings.
I have nothing against Arnel. I'm a huge Kevin Chalfant fan but wanted no part of his Journey tribute cd. I've yet to listen to it, and prolly never will.
In fact, the more I think about this package, the more unease I feel about buying it.

[jrnyman28]

If your dad got remarried you would see how it hurt your mother=even if she doesn't want him anymore, so yes its disrespectful because he
made those songs what they are. Not Arnel, Not JSS, Not Augeri.

Bad analogy. It may hurt your mother but it is in NO WAY disrespectful to her for her EX-husband to remarry if SHE left him.

[Deb]

If your dad got remarried you would see how it hurt your mother=even if she doesn't want him anymore, so yes its disrespectful because he
made those songs what they are. Not Arnel, Not JSS, Not Augeri.

Bad analogy. It may hurt your mother but it is in NO WAY disrespectful to her for her EX-husband to remarry if SHE left him.

Agreed. Having had been in that situation (they're not married)..............I see it more as a "hell ya, he's her problem now!".

[Saint John]

Please. If Journey would have called it quits after Perry put the nail in the coffin, there would be howling crys' coming from within Journey-land. "Oh why Neal, why couldn't you just go on with a new singer, and keep the Journey name?! why?! how can you do this to us? How can you do this to your fans? You give two shits about your fans, wah, wah. wah..."

You know there were ALOT of people who didn't want ole Barbaro put down either, but it was for the best.

Are you insinuating that we should shoot Steve Perry?!?!

[ttango1]

Please. If Journey would have called it quits after Perry put the nail in the coffin, there would be howling crys' coming from within Journey-land. "Oh why Neal, why couldn't you just go on with a new singer, and keep the Journey name?! why?! how can you do this to us? How can you do this to your fans? You give two shits about your fans, wah, wah. wah..."

You know there were ALOT of people who didn't want ole Barbaro put down either, but it was for the best.

Are you insinuating that we should shoot Steve Perry?!?!

Well...last thing the world needs is a Psychotic and Rabid Journey fan who wants to take out SP. That's like Mark David Chapman dumb...RIP John Lennon.

[Saint John]

Please. If Journey would have called it quits after Perry put the nail in the coffin, there would be howling crys' coming from within Journey-land. "Oh why Neal, why couldn't you just go on with a new singer, and keep the Journey name?! why?! how can you do this to us? How can you do this to your fans? You give two shits about your fans, wah, wah. wah..."

You know there were ALOT of people who didn't want ole Barbaro put down either, but it was for the best.

Are you insinuating that we should shoot Steve Perry?!?!

Well...last thing the world needs is a Psychotic and Rabid Journey fan who wants to take out SP. That's like Mark David Chapman dumb...RIP John Lennon.

I agree 100% and for the record I was completely joking.

[pinkvelvet]

I dont buy it for one second that they wont sell alot of albums. I was reading the Journey forums and theres all this filipinos that will be buying the albums in bulk to send to everyone they know in the Philippines. Theres also the Chilieans who seemed to love them. Internationally, theyll do ok.