OT: U.S. Publically Admits Screw Up

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Historical Gas Prices
(Adjusted for inflation)

Year Price Per Gallon
1950 $1.91
1955 $1.85
1960 $1.79
1965 $1.68
1970 $1.59
1975 $1.80
1980 $2.59
1985 $1.90
1990 $1.51
1995 $1.28
2001 $1.66
2002 $1.31
2003 $1.52
2004 $1.79
2005 $2.28
2006 $3.03
2007 (so far) $3.26
Source: U.S. DOE

[Andrew]

Well, the vast majority of the Australian public ALSO blames GW for the gas price - me included.

The price of gas probably has more to do with the falling value of the dollar than anything else. A big reason for that is that the Fed is printing too much money and because of the strength of the Euro.

Another example of Bush's economic management slowly sending me broke.

[mikemarrs]

here in the mid 90's i remember gas being as low as 95 cents a gallon.ahhh the good 'ol days.

miss ya bill

[Red13JoePa]

We have too many fat asses in this country as it is.

[conversationpc]

What a bunch of whining pussies. While I don't think the president has anything to do with the price of gas, even if he did who gives a shit? You don't like it? Fucking walk. It's good for you. Or ride a fucking bike. We have too many fat asses in this country as it is. Think of the high price of gas as a blessing in disguise and quit the fucking belly aching. Personally, and I really mean this, I hope the price goes to $5 a gallon...or more.

Hey now...I resemble that remark.

Seriously, there's no way I could afford to drive to work at $5/gallon. I drive 32 miles each way and my truck doesn't get great gas mileage. Can't afford to buy another fuel efficient vehicle right now, either.

[Saint John]

What a bunch of whining pussies. While I don't think the president has anything to do with the price of gas, even if he did who gives a shit? You don't like it? Fucking walk. It's good for you. Or ride a fucking bike. We have too many fat asses in this country as it is. Think of the high price of gas as a blessing in disguise and quit the fucking belly aching. Personally, and I really mean this, I hope the price goes to $5 a gallon...or more.

Hey now...I resemble that remark.

Seriously, there's no way I could afford to drive to work at $5/gallon. I drive 32 miles each way and my truck doesn't get great gas mileage. Can't afford to buy another fuel efficient vehicle right now, either.

Carpool, ride a bike, take the train, find a new job, carjack daily, walk, or quit and collect welfare like a democrat.

[MJM1959]

Today in Iraq:

Five persons were killed and 12 others injured when mortar shells hit a football play ground in eastern Baghdad...


A female suicide bomber attacked a group of Shiite worshippers near a mosque in Karbala on Monday, killing at least 39 people and wounding 51...


A roadside bomb killed two U.S. soldiers when it struck their vehicle in a district north of Baghdad...


A minibus packed with explosives killed three people and wounded eight others in Karrada district...


A roadside bomb killed one policeman and wounded another as they patrolled Mansour district in western Baghdad...


Three bodies of U.S.-backed neighbourhood police were found two days after they were kidnapped in the town of Udhaim...


...police said they found the bodies of three members of a U.S.-allied group fighting al-Qaida in Udaim...


A roadside bomb targeting a U.S. convoy injured four civilians in Baghdad...


Remember kiddies, "The Surge Is Working" I am sure that this is nothing that a few more 15 month tours won't fix. And a couple a hundred billion dollars.

[RedWingFan]

Today in Iraq:

Five persons were killed and 12 others injured when mortar shells hit a football play ground in eastern Baghdad...


A female suicide bomber attacked a group of Shiite worshippers near a mosque in Karbala on Monday, killing at least 39 people and wounding 51...


A roadside bomb killed two U.S. soldiers when it struck their vehicle in a district north of Baghdad...


A minibus packed with explosives killed three people and wounded eight others in Karrada district...


A roadside bomb killed one policeman and wounded another as they patrolled Mansour district in western Baghdad...


Three bodies of U.S.-backed neighbourhood police were found two days after they were kidnapped in the town of Udhaim...


...police said they found the bodies of three members of a U.S.-allied group fighting al-Qaida in Udaim...


A roadside bomb targeting a U.S. convoy injured four civilians in Baghdad...


Remember kiddies, "The Surge Is Working" I am sure that this is nothing that a few more 15 month tours won't fix. And a couple a hundred billion dollars.

If we were to surrender like the Democrats want, the above would be like a picnic in the park.

[conversationpc]

What a bunch of whining pussies. While I don't think the president has anything to do with the price of gas, even if he did who gives a shit? You don't like it? Fucking walk. It's good for you. Or ride a fucking bike. We have too many fat asses in this country as it is. Think of the high price of gas as a blessing in disguise and quit the fucking belly aching. Personally, and I really mean this, I hope the price goes to $5 a gallon...or more.

Hey now...I resemble that remark.

Seriously, there's no way I could afford to drive to work at $5/gallon. I drive 32 miles each way and my truck doesn't get great gas mileage. Can't afford to buy another fuel efficient vehicle right now, either.

Carpool, ride a bike, take the train, find a new job, carjack daily, walk, or quit and collect welfare like a democrat.

I've signed up for a carpool match and haven't had any matches thus far (I live on the far north side of Indy and commute to the south side of town).

It's too far to ride a bike...

I guess welfare is my only option.

[Rick]

What a bunch of whining pussies. While I don't think the president has anything to do with the price of gas, even if he did who gives a shit? You don't like it? Fucking walk. It's good for you. Or ride a fucking bike. We have too many fat asses in this country as it is. Think of the high price of gas as a blessing in disguise and quit the fucking belly aching. Personally, and I really mean this, I hope the price goes to $5 a gallon...or more.

Hey now...I resemble that remark.

Seriously, there's no way I could afford to drive to work at $5/gallon. I drive 32 miles each way and my truck doesn't get great gas mileage. Can't afford to buy another fuel efficient vehicle right now, either.

Carpool, ride a bike, take the train, find a new job, carjack daily, walk, or quit and collect welfare like a democrat.

I've signed up for a carpool match and haven't had any matches thus far (I live on the far north side of Indy and commute to the south side of town).

It's too far to ride a bike...

I guess welfare is my only option.

There is always a Vespa.

[MJM1959]

Today in Iraq:

Five persons were killed and 12 others injured when mortar shells hit a football play ground in eastern Baghdad...


A female suicide bomber attacked a group of Shiite worshippers near a mosque in Karbala on Monday, killing at least 39 people and wounding 51...


A roadside bomb killed two U.S. soldiers when it struck their vehicle in a district north of Baghdad...


A minibus packed with explosives killed three people and wounded eight others in Karrada district...


A roadside bomb killed one policeman and wounded another as they patrolled Mansour district in western Baghdad...


Three bodies of U.S.-backed neighbourhood police were found two days after they were kidnapped in the town of Udhaim...


...police said they found the bodies of three members of a U.S.-allied group fighting al-Qaida in Udaim...


A roadside bomb targeting a U.S. convoy injured four civilians in Baghdad...


Remember kiddies, "The Surge Is Working" I am sure that this is nothing that a few more 15 month tours won't fix. And a couple a hundred billion dollars.

If we were to surrender like the Democrats want, the above would be like a picnic in the park.

And you know this because??? Maybe someone should have thought about that before we decided to invade a country who's religious factions have been at odds with each other for over a millenium.

Ok then, how long are we supposed to keep this shit up? How many body bags are you willing to fill for a war that need not have been fought? How many hundreds of billions of dollars of money are you willing to spend before someone even starts to think about getting our people out of there?

It pisses me off that surporting this war costs you and the vast majority of Americans abso-fucking-lutley nothing! No sacrifice required whatsoever.[/i]

[conversationpc]

It pisses me off that surporting this war costs you and the vast majority of Americans abso-fucking-lutley nothing! No sacrifice required whatsoever.[/i]

Boy, that's a great thing to say. No one here has said they enjoy the war or that they don't give a flying crap about Americans being killed. It's absolutely ridiculous to justify it by saying that there is "no sacrifice required whatsoever". I take no please in anyone dying over there but if we are going to be there, we need to do it right.

[RedWingFan]

And you know this because???

Because the Iraqi military + American forces = more dead or captured terrorists, thus greater civilian control.

Maybe someone should have thought about that before we decided to invade a country who's religious factions have been at odds with each other for over a millenium.

At the start of the war, public approval was over 70%. We were told that it would be a long hard war that would last far longer than Bush's presidency.

Ok then, how long are we supposed to keep this shit up?

As long as it takes or until the Iraqi gov't wants us out.

How many body bags are you willing to fill for a war that need not have been fought?

Well, seeing how the media warned us we would need 10,000 bodybags to take Baghdad, I think we're doing pretty well here. Especially now that we're working with the freed Iraqi citizens gov't to keep them free.

How many hundreds of billions of dollars of money are you willing to spend before someone even starts to think about getting our people out of there?

This is one area (the most important) that the Executive and Legislative branches have Constitutional authority (responsibility even) in spending our money.

It pisses me off that surporting this war costs you and the vast majority of Americans abso-fucking-lutley nothing! No sacrifice required whatsoever.

No sacrifice? You mean it's no longer costing us billions like you just stated above?
Aren't you one who blames Bush for high gas prices? That's a sacrafice right? Pain at the pump. I'm not bitching about gas prices because the war on terror is of utmost importance....still.

[RossValoryRocks]

Gas prices have almost NOTHING to do with Iraq boys and girls. The falling dollar is jacking up the price of oil, on the other hand it also helps make our products cheaper, so we sell more overseas.

Oil market fundementals DO NOT support the prices we are seeing. We are some 20 MILLION barrels of gasoline over the 5 year average for gasoline stocks.

We are almost 80 million barrels of oil over the 5 year average.

In addition the world market for oil has cooling demand, even from places like India and China.

People complain about the oil companies making so much money, but they don't set the price, it is market based.

We are WELL supplied with oil. All this is is speculation, and like ALL speculation the bubble will burst rather spectacularly and probably sooner than we think.

[MJM1959]

It pisses me off that surporting this war costs you and the vast majority of Americans abso-fucking-lutley nothing! No sacrifice required whatsoever.[/i]

Boy, that's a great thing to say. No one here has said they enjoy the war or that they don't give a flying crap about Americans being killed. It's absolutely ridiculous to justify it by saying that there is "no sacrifice required whatsoever". I take no please in anyone dying over there but if we are going to be there, we need to do it right.

The truth hurts. You claim to take no pleasure in it. But you take no responsibility for it either. Face it. As long as it does not directly touch you or your family, you do not care how long it takes, how much money it costs or how many young Americans are maimed or killed. Your sacrifice amounts to ZERO.

[RossValoryRocks]

It pisses me off that surporting this war costs you and the vast majority of Americans abso-fucking-lutley nothing! No sacrifice required whatsoever.[/i]

Boy, that's a great thing to say. No one here has said they enjoy the war or that they don't give a flying crap about Americans being killed. It's absolutely ridiculous to justify it by saying that there is "no sacrifice required whatsoever". I take no please in anyone dying over there but if we are going to be there, we need to do it right.

The truth hurts. You claim to take no pleasure in it. But you take no responsibility for it either. Face it. As long as it does not directly touch you or your family, you do not care how long it takes, how much money it costs or how many young Americans are maimed or killed. Your sacrifice amounts to ZERO.

And what is YOUR sacrifice amounting to? How many members of your family are currently serving or have served in Iraq?

Have you ever served your country in any capacity? Peace Corps even?

You do know that most of military men and women WILLINGLY make the sacrafices they do because they understand what is at stake far more than you do and they see it with their own eyes, don't you?

Good thing people understood the meaning of sacrifice back in the '40s or we would be speaking German or Japanese. My father was gone for almost 4 straight years in Europe during WW2. Now THAT is sacrifice, what he and my family had to deal with. 6 to 12 month tours are NOTHING compared to that.

[MJM1959]

And you know this because???

Because the Iraqi military + American forces = more dead or captured terrorists, thus greater civilian control.

Maybe someone should have thought about that before we decided to invade a country who's religious factions have been at odds with each other for over a millenium.

At the start of the war, public approval was over 70%. We were told that it would be a long hard war that would last far longer than Bush's presidency.

Ok then, how long are we supposed to keep this shit up?

As long as it takes or until the Iraqi gov't wants us out.

How many body bags are you willing to fill for a war that need not have been fought?

Well, seeing how the media warned us we would need 10,000 bodybags to take Baghdad, I think we're doing pretty well here. Especially now that we're working with the freed Iraqi citizens gov't to keep them free.

How many hundreds of billions of dollars of money are you willing to spend before someone even starts to think about getting our people out of there?

This is one area (the most important) that the Executive and Legislative branches have Constitutional authority (responsibility even) in spending our money.

It pisses me off that surporting this war costs you and the vast majority of Americans abso-fucking-lutley nothing! No sacrifice required whatsoever.

No sacrifice? You mean it's no longer costing us billions like you just stated above?
Aren't you one who blames Bush for high gas prices? That's a sacrafice right? Pain at the pump. I'm not bitching about gas prices because the war on terror is of utmost importance....still.

Nicely quoted talking points.
Nevermind that there was no Al-Queda presence in Iraq before our invasion created one.
Nevermind that terrorism is still on the rise in the rest of the world and that the war has done virtually nothing to decrease it.
Nevermind that the majority of the Bush adminstration, including Rumsfeld and McSurge said that the war would take weeks, but not months.
Nevermind that the majority of Iraqi citizens want America out of their country.
Nevermind that 4,000 American are in body bags as well as over 80,000 Iraqis. But hey, it is not 10,000. Right, it does not count till you get over that 10K mark.
Nevermind that a half a trillion dollars later and we are no closer to achieving any sort of goal in spite of the fact that the goals change on a regular basis.
No sacrifice. 4,000 Americans are dead and you claim that your great sacrifice is paying more at the pump! WOW! I am in awe of you.
War On Terror. You mean that catch all phrase that justifies everything from invasion to torture to phone tapping? Not buying it. The invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or terrorism. If you believe that there are not forces at work at this very second, planning the next way to hand us our ass. You are naive. Just because we are putting on a show in Iraq does not mean that people like Osama Bin Laden or the Saudis, Emerati, Egyptian or Lebanese that perpetrated the 9/11 attacks are not able to plan and pull off another attack. Too many of our resources are being poured into Iraq while nothing is being done to effectively stop the next 9/11.

I gotta hand it to the adminstration though. They did a good job at convincing you and others like you to be afraid of that terra boogey man. Fear is a powerful weapon. I am sorry that you are so afraid.

[MJM1959]

It pisses me off that surporting this war costs you and the vast majority of Americans abso-fucking-lutley nothing! No sacrifice required whatsoever.[/i]

Boy, that's a great thing to say. No one here has said they enjoy the war or that they don't give a flying crap about Americans being killed. It's absolutely ridiculous to justify it by saying that there is "no sacrifice required whatsoever". I take no please in anyone dying over there but if we are going to be there, we need to do it right.

The truth hurts. You claim to take no pleasure in it. But you take no responsibility for it either. Face it. As long as it does not directly touch you or your family, you do not care how long it takes, how much money it costs or how many young Americans are maimed or killed. Your sacrifice amounts to ZERO.

And what is YOUR sacrifice amounting to? How many members of your family are currently serving or have served in Iraq?

Have you ever served your country in any capacity? Peace Corps even?

You do know that most of military men and women WILLINGLY make the sacrafices they do because they understand what is at stake far more than you do and they see it with their own eyes, don't you?

Good thing people understood the meaning of sacrifice back in the '40s or we would be speaking German or Japanese. My father was gone for almost 4 straight years in Europe during WW2. Now THAT is sacrifice, what he and my family had to deal with. 6 to 12 month tours are NOTHING compared to that.

You so funny! My wife's cousin came home in a body bag almost five years ago. He was one of the first to be killed in Iraq. My nephew is in the Navy now. He is looking to serve as a Navy Special Warfare Combatant. I served in the Navy for nine years. Again, when it was not so politically correct to do so. I still work with the Navy Joint Forces command every day. Thanks for asking. Oh, and my father served in the Navy during WWII, Korea and Vietnam. Please do not talk to me about sacrifice. Been there, done that.

Military men and women do not choose to sacrifice their lives for the folly of a failed president. It is the responsibility of the government to send the men and women into harm's way only when there is no other choice. Tell me. What was the imminent threat that Iraq posed to this country? Iraq was a fourth rate military power led by a third rate dictator. There is no comparison between Iraq and the threat that Germany and Japan posed.

And if you get the chance. Try and tell an American serviceman that a 15 month tour is nothing. I know a few that would hand you your head if you tried and tell them that nonsense.

[RossValoryRocks]

It pisses me off that surporting this war costs you and the vast majority of Americans abso-fucking-lutley nothing! No sacrifice required whatsoever.[/i]

Boy, that's a great thing to say. No one here has said they enjoy the war or that they don't give a flying crap about Americans being killed. It's absolutely ridiculous to justify it by saying that there is "no sacrifice required whatsoever". I take no please in anyone dying over there but if we are going to be there, we need to do it right.

The truth hurts. You claim to take no pleasure in it. But you take no responsibility for it either. Face it. As long as it does not directly touch you or your family, you do not care how long it takes, how much money it costs or how many young Americans are maimed or killed. Your sacrifice amounts to ZERO.

And what is YOUR sacrifice amounting to? How many members of your family are currently serving or have served in Iraq?

Have you ever served your country in any capacity? Peace Corps even?

You do know that most of military men and women WILLINGLY make the sacrafices they do because they understand what is at stake far more than you do and they see it with their own eyes, don't you?

Good thing people understood the meaning of sacrifice back in the '40s or we would be speaking German or Japanese. My father was gone for almost 4 straight years in Europe during WW2. Now THAT is sacrifice, what he and my family had to deal with. 6 to 12 month tours are NOTHING compared to that.

You so funny! My wife's cousin came home in a body bag almost five years ago. He was one of the first to be killed in Iraq. My nephew is in the Navy now. He is looking to serve as a Navy Special Warfare Combatant. I served in the Navy for nine years. Again, when it was not so politically correct to do so. I still work with the Navy Joint Forces command every day. Thanks for asking. Oh, and my father served in the Navy during WWII, Korea and Vietnam. Please do not talk to me about sacrifice. Been there, done that.

Military men and women do not choose to sacrifice their lives for the folly of a failed president. It is the responsibility of the government to send the men and women into harm's way only when there is no other choice. Tell me. What was the imminent threat that Iraq posed to this country? Iraq was a fourth rate military power led by a third rate dictator. There is no comparison between Iraq and the threat that Germany and Japan posed.

And if you get the chance. Try and tell an American serviceman that a 15 month tour is nothing. I know a few that would hand you your head if you tried and tell them that nonsense.

I am a Marine, I wasn't trying to be funny in anyway. I did my time...I spent the last 3 months of 1990 and first 6 months of 1991 in the sand. I was asking a legitimate question.

When you question the sacrifices of others you should expect to be questioned on yours.

I could point out many reasons why we should have and did take out Hussien, but none of them would satisfy you so I won't bother.

Thank you for your service to our country.

[RedWingFan]

Nicely quoted talking points.

Thank you.

Nevermind that there was no Al-Queda presence in Iraq before our invasion created one.

When killing mosquitos I also like to set out my bug zapper with the pretty blue light to draw them in, I suppose you'd prefer running around in the dark in your back yard with a flyswatter.

Nevermind that terrorism is still on the rise in the rest of the world and that the war has done virtually nothing to decrease it.

If you say so.

Nevermind that the majority of the Bush adminstration, including Rumsfeld and McSurge said that the war would take weeks, but not months.

"...would take weeks, but not months." So Bush really didn't say it'd outlast his presidency? I must have dreamt it.

Nevermind that the majority of Iraqi citizens want America out of their country.

Did you conduct this poll yourself?

Nevermind that 4,000 American are in body bags as well as over 80,000 Iraqis. But hey, it is not 10,000. Right, it does not count till you get over that 10K mark.

Why neglect the # of terrorists killed? or captured, or the attacks that have been prevented by waterboarding them?

Nevermind that a half a trillion dollars later and we are no closer to achieving any sort of goal in spite of the fact that the goals change on a regular basis.

So if you want to surrender this war, I assume you think we should surrender in the failed "war on poverty" right?

No sacrifice. 4,000 Americans are dead and you claim that your great sacrifice is paying more at the pump! WOW! I am in awe of you.

I'm not one that has bitched about high gas prices. Others here have. That is a sacrifice. Nothing compared to our troops, just using your own argument against you. Which is way too easy.

War On Terror. You mean that catch all phrase that justifies everything from invasion to torture to phone tapping? Not buying it. The invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or terrorism.

You better get on the same page as the rest of your liberal buddies here, because they say the administration has been trying to link 9/11 and Iraq. Which is it?

If you believe that there are not forces at work at this very second, planning the next way to hand us our ass. You are naive. Just because we are putting on a show in Iraq does not mean that people like Osama Bin Laden or the Saudis, Emerati, Egyptian or Lebanese that perpetrated the 9/11 attacks are not able to plan and pull off another attack. Too many of our resources are being poured into Iraq while nothing is being done to effectively stop the next 9/11.

Wasn't it just you who earlier in this post are bitching about foreign wiretaps and surveillance? That seems to have done quite nicely in preventing another attack no thanks to folks like you.

I gotta hand it to the adminstration though. They did a good job at convincing you and others like you to be afraid of that terra boogey man. Fear is a powerful weapon. I am sorry that you are so afraid.

Do you realize how many times you've contradicted yourself in this rambling post? I can't even keep up with it all.

[NealIsGod]

Man, that was some lame ass rebuttal, dude.

[Saint John]

Today in Iraq:

Five persons were killed and 12 others injured when mortar shells hit a football play ground in eastern Baghdad...


A female suicide bomber attacked a group of Shiite worshippers near a mosque in Karbala on Monday, killing at least 39 people and wounding 51...


A roadside bomb killed two U.S. soldiers when it struck their vehicle in a district north of Baghdad...


A minibus packed with explosives killed three people and wounded eight others in Karrada district...


A roadside bomb killed one policeman and wounded another as they patrolled Mansour district in western Baghdad...


Three bodies of U.S.-backed neighbourhood police were found two days after they were kidnapped in the town of Udhaim...


...police said they found the bodies of three members of a U.S.-allied group fighting al-Qaida in Udaim...


A roadside bomb targeting a U.S. convoy injured four civilians in Baghdad...


Remember kiddies, "The Surge Is Working" I am sure that this is nothing that a few more 15 month tours won't fix. And a couple a hundred billion dollars.

50 people died in your statististical rant. 45 are murdered each day in the United States on average. What is your point?

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Nevermind that there was no Al-Queda presence in Iraq before our invasion created one.

WRONG. Read the intelligence report which inspired this thread in the first place!!. In spite of the early spin, it proves this statment absolutely
COMPLETELY wrong.

[Saint John]

Nevermind that there was no Al-Queda presence in Iraq before our invasion created one.

WRONG. Read the intelligence report which inspired this thread in the first place!!. In spite of the early spin, it proves this statment absolutely
COMPLETELY wrong.

Low blow. Don't point out the truth.

[Saint John]

Nevermind that there was no Al-Queda presence in Iraq before our invasion created one.

WRONG. Read the intelligence report which inspired this thread in the first place!!. In spite of the early spin, it proves this statment absolutely
COMPLETELY wrong.

Low blow. Don't point out the truth.

There is actually a report that just came out from one of these translated documents. In it, it shows that al-zarquai and his group actually moved into Iraq before we invaded and planned the insurgency w/Saddams guys. One of those guys was al-Douri who was Saddams second or third man who we have yet to catch.

How are Saddam and Zarquawi doing these days?

[tj]

What a bunch of whining pussies. While I don't think the president has anything to do with the price of gas, even if he did who gives a shit? You don't like it? Fucking walk. It's good for you. Or ride a fucking bike. We have too many fat asses in this country as it is. Think of the high price of gas as a blessing in disguise and quit the fucking belly aching. Personally, and I really mean this, I hope the price goes to $5 a gallon...or more.

Hey now...I resemble that remark.

Seriously, there's no way I could afford to drive to work at $5/gallon. I drive 32 miles each way and my truck doesn't get great gas mileage. Can't afford to buy another fuel efficient vehicle right now, either.

Carpool, ride a bike, take the train, find a new job, carjack daily, walk, or quit and collect welfare like a democrat.

I've signed up for a carpool match and haven't had any matches thus far (I live on the far north side of Indy and commute to the south side of town).

It's too far to ride a bike...

I guess welfare is my only option.

I know a guy who has been out of work for some time. His family is on welfare. He has had a couple of job offers, but the pay was such that if he took the jobs, he lost the welfare benefits but the jobs didn't pay enough to provide for his family. So until he can find a job that pays enough to take care of his family, it is better economically for him to stay on welfare.