OT: Obama's pastor

[Rhiannon]

Please keep posting...That is a nice piece of ass in that avatar.

That's a TopCat. They have a cool job. Free football games... sucks it's the Panthers, but nonetheless.

[AlteredDNA]

You know what??? Fuck it...I'm gonna go to his sermon this weekend. Seriously, I have to hear this asshole. I bet they don't let me in, but I'm gonna try.

I don't think he's "preaching" there anymore. He "retired" on Feb 10th...

Please keep posting...That is a nice piece of ass in that avatar.

So, you only love me for my (Avatar's) body, and not my brain?

[Saint John]

You know what??? Fuck it...I'm gonna go to his sermon this weekend. Seriously, I have to hear this asshole. I bet they don't let me in, but I'm gonna try.

I don't think he's "preaching" there anymore. He "retired" on Feb 10th...

I pass "The House Of Hope" every day on the way to work. They have rallies there and this place must hold several thousand easily. When this jagnut used to be there it was like The fucking Beatles were in town...cars everywhere and people trying to cram in. EVERYTHING he preaches is anti-white and about how we cheat, rob, exploit and try to keep black people down. He paints it as though every white person is rich and racist.

[conversationpc]

You know what??? Fuck it...I'm gonna go to his sermon this weekend. Seriously, I have to hear this asshole. I bet they don't let me in, but I'm gonna try.

I don't think he's "preaching" there anymore. He "retired" on Feb 10th...

Please keep posting...That is a nice piece of ass in that avatar.

So, you only love me for my (Avatar's) body, and not my brain?

You got it.

[stevew2]

You know what??? Fuck it...I'm gonna go to his sermon this weekend. Seriously, I have to hear this asshole. I bet they don't let me in, but I'm gonna try.

I don't think he's "preaching" there anymore. He "retired" on Feb 10th...

Please keep posting...That is a nice piece of ass in that avatar.

So, you only love me for my (Avatar's) body, and not my brain?

Your brain is good, but that Aviatar is killer, that old preacher is a fake, and an asshole

[tj]

Has someone posted this yet? "OBAMA ATTENDED HATE AMERICA SERMON":

http://newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_A ... 80870.html

Wow. He may be a preacher, but he's not preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. Numerous passages in the Bible refer to false prophets. http://bibleresources.bible.com/keyword ... =bookorder

Not sure he isn't one of them.

[stevew2]

Has someone posted this yet? "OBAMA ATTENDED HATE AMERICA SERMON":

http://newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_A ... 80870.html

Wow. He may be a preacher, but he's not preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. Numerous passages in the Bible refer to false prophets. http://bibleresources.bible.com/keyword ... =bookorder

Not sure he isn't one of them.

Good passages, he is a fake and a preaches hate,not love. he will rot in hell for his poision. Im sure black people will like me more after his "preaching" What a nut job

[ohsherrie]

Because it's not the most important issue that the voters should be focused on in this election but it's the one the media is fucusing the voters' attention on.

Don't you think it's pretty important to determine why Obama associated for 20 YEARS with a known racist? I don't buy Obama's line that he never personally witnessed this guy saying anything that controversial. I just don't buy it.

We also know that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are racist. I can assure you that any dynamic black, religious activist, when he gets on a roll about the plight of the black people, is going to say things that are racist, or sound that way, especially when taken out of context.

Could any black, elected national official avoid having been associated with at least one of those? I don't think so, and I don't think it has a lot to do with his personal values. I think it has more to do with needing to associate with the leaders within his racial community in order to gain their political support. I think it'll come back to bite him in the ass though, especially of he becomes president.

I have some further thoughts on this subject.

[ohsherrie]

I did some deep thinking on this subject and here are some conclusions I’ve come to.

I think both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are capable of doing a great job as president of this country.

The most dangerous participants in this electoral process are the media.

The problems in each of the candidate’s campaigns that the media is focusing our attention on are distracting from the issues that we should be basing our decisions on. In fact, I think the media has made major controversies out of things that otherwise may only have been questions in the minds of the voters. It should have been left up to the voters to decide how much of a problem those questions were for them rather than having the media telling them how much of a problem they want it to be for the sake of their ratings.

Bill Clinton said nothing racist whatsoever in his statements in New Hampshire or South Carolina. He could have made those exact statements about any candidate of any race, but because Obama is black, the media made a racial issue of it.

In the SC primary the press was focusing on the racial aspects of it by saying that Obama would probably carry the state because of the black vote. This was Bill’s reply:
"Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here." Who made it about race?

The press has continued to build on that and most recently went after Geraldine Ferraro.
What Geraldine Ferraro said: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept," was not racist. It was an honest statement about the climate surrounding the current Democratic political campaign.

The only thing that could possibly make any of those statements racial is the fact that Obama is black. How is the other campaign or the nation supposed to ignore that fact when the press constantly focuses our attention on it?
When the main stream media hands the black activists the ball and clears the playing field of anybody who may want to challenge them by making all challengers appear racist, can you expect them not to run with it?

What we’re seeing now from this preacher is a direct result of that, and I can guarantee you neither he, Jesse Jackson, nor Al Sharpton will be called to task for their racism. Using their race to gain political advantage is more racist than anything anybody in the Clinton camp has said.

I’m sure that Obama and his camp are aware that the media hasn’t made him their darling because they think he’ll make the best president. They know it’s because of the potential for ratings and the resulting ad revenue that his “uniqueness” gives them. Do you expect them not to use it to their full advantage?

When I said on this board months ago that this country wasn’t ready for a black president for the same reasons that OJ is a free man, this sort of thing is exactly what I was talking about.

If Bill Clinton’s and Geraldine Ferraro’s comments were racist, then the media is too because they’re the ones that made race the focus of this campaign. If this country was ready for a black president they wouldn’t have had the fuel for their ratings bonfire.

Any person, black or white, who votes for Obama because he’s black is a racist.
Any person, black or white, who votes for Hillary because she’s white is a racist.
If Obama gets the nomination any person, black or white, who votes for John McCain because Obama is black is a racist.

But thanks to the media this election could very well be decided on race. They’ve taken what should, and I think could, have been a side issue and made it potentially the biggest issue in this campaign.

Even though I think the man who is Barack Obama is fully capable of being a good president, I’m not sure the media and the black activists will allow him to focus on all the aspects and issues of the job that will required his attention. I’m afraid that race will continue to be first and foremost on their minds and therefore on his.

[conversationpc]

The press has continued to build on that and most recently went after Geraldine Ferraro.
What Geraldine Ferraro said: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept," was not racist. It was an honest statement about the climate surrounding the current Democratic political campaign.

I agree. I don't particularly care for her but her comments were hardly racist and it was wrong of Hillary to give her the boot.

When I said on this board months ago that this country wasn’t ready for a black president for the same reasons that OJ is a free man, this sort of thing is exactly what I was talking about.

I disagree. I think we are but I don't we are ready for THIS black President.

Any person, black or white, who votes for Obama because he’s black is a racist.

I don't think it's racist to vote for someone for that reason. I think it's stupid but not racist.

[ohsherrie]

I disagree. I think we are but I don't we are ready for THIS black President.

The problem isn't that there's a black candidate or who he is, the problem is that race has become a bigger issue than the economy, the war, taxes, or the environment because the media is focusing on that for the sensationalism of it.

Any person, black or white, who votes for Obama because he’s black is a racist.

I don't think it's racist to vote for someone for that reason. I think it's stupid but not racist.

Do you think it's racist for someone to vote for Hillary because she's white?

[conversationpc]

Do you think it's racist for someone to vote for Hillary because she's white?

No, no more than many who are going to vote for Obama because he's black and it would be cool to have voted for the first black President, according to their reasoning. Now if they are doing it out of a hatred for blacks then, yes, that's definitely racist.

[Tomulator]

Can't help but notice that, alot like the mainstream media at large, noone has bothered to refute what the Pastor said point by point.

Well just off the top of my head we bombed Nagasaki. Why? Just for the fun of killing people in mass I guess.
Pearl Harbor was not a good enough reason huh, TNC?

Also...ANY CLUE how many MILLIONS of lives would have been lost invading Japan???!!! The Japanese were NOT going to surrender...NO WAY. They were going to fight to the last man, woman and child people!

We HAD TO drop the bombs. Had to.

[ohsherrie]

Do you think it's racist for someone to vote for Hillary because she's white?

No, no more than many who are going to vote for Obama because he's black and it would be cool to have voted for the first black President, according to their reasoning. Now if they are doing it out of a hatred for blacks then, yes, that's definitely racist.

And that's as it should be, but the media's focus on the racial aspect of every thing that is said by Clinton's camp about Obama and his campaign is making appear the way I said in my post.

I didn't say that's the way is realistcally is or should be, but it's the way it will be made to seem by the time the election rolls around because they're handing the racial activists too much ammunition.

[Barb]

Has anyone else heard that Oprah was a member of this church but quit because she didn't like the "Rev" Wright? That is pretty damn interesting considering her support of Obama. I wonder what she will have to say about this.

[ohsherrie]

Has anyone else heard that Oprah was a member of this church but quit because she didn't like the "Rev" Wright? That is pretty damn interesting considering her support of Obama. I wonder what she will have to say about this.

I heard that she's attended it but that's all. I don't watch Oprah or read her magazine so I don't know if she's made any statement about it.

[Barb]

Check the date on this piece from ABC. 4/11/07

Obama: Fire Imus (Obama First White House Contender to Call for Imus' Firing Over Racial Slur)
ABC | 4-11-07 | Jake Tapper



In an interview with ABC News Wednesday afternoon, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., called for the firing of talk radio host Don Imus. Obama said he would never again appear on Imus' show, which is broadcast on CBS Radio and MSNBC television.

"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude." Top Politics stories


Obama said he appeared once on Imus' show two years ago, and "I have no intention of returning."

Racial Slur Stirs Trouble for Shock Jock

Last week, Imus referred to the Rutgers University women's basketball team, most of whom are African-American, as "nappy-headed hos." He has since apologized for his remarks, and CBS and MSNBC suspended his show for two weeks.

"He didn't just cross the line," Obama said. "He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America. The notions that as young African-American women -- who I hope will be athletes -- that that somehow makes them less beautiful or less important. It was a degrading comment. It's one that I'm not interested in supporting."

Though every major presidential candidate has decried the racist remarks, Obama is the first one to say Imus should lose his job for them.

His proclamation was the latest in an ever-expanding list of bad news for Imus.

What a great find. Obama is nothing but a very well packaged and articulate phony.

[RossValoryRocks]

What a great find. Obama is nothing but a very well packaged and articulate phony.

He is now also a confirmed LIAR. He said all weekend that he wasn't in church the days that Wright made his racist remarks. However today in his speech he admitted he WAS there to hear it. So were his daughters. A lying Democrat, who'd a thunk it.

Easy with the generalizations...now if wanna say "A lying politician..." I am right there with you.

[NealIsGod]

What a great find. Obama is nothing but a very well packaged and articulate phony.

He is now also a confirmed LIAR. He said all weekend that he wasn't in church the days that Wright made his racist remarks. However today in his speech he admitted he WAS there to hear it. So were his daughters. A lying Democrat, who'd a thunk it.

Please show me one politician who is not a liar.

[AlteredDNA]

What a great find. Obama is nothing but a very well packaged and articulate phony.

He is now also a confirmed LIAR. He said all weekend that he wasn't in church the days that Wright made his racist remarks. However today in his speech he admitted he WAS there to hear it. So were his daughters. A lying Democrat, who'd a thunk it.

Please show me one politician who is not a liar.

Most politicians don't have video (and other) evidence directly countering their claims.

Personally, I could care less if he actually heard any of Wright's hate speech live or not, but there's no way that in 20 years he had no idea what the Reverend was all about.

[AlteredDNA]

Speaking of lying politicians, Hillary may have just created her own problem today. Time will tell.....and Deano...you're gonna love this one.

Hillary Shot At in '96? No Media Mention of Bosnia 'Sniper Fire'
NewsBusters ^ | March 18, 2008 | Rich Noyes



In a speech on Iraq policy delivered Monday at George Washington University, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton recalled facing “sniper fire” on her 1996 trip to Bosnia to visit U.S. troops on a peacekeeping mission. But reporters traveling with the then-First Lady made no reference to any “sniper fire” at the time, and pictures of Clinton arriving at the main air base in Tuzla don’t show anyone ducking or covering.

Here’s how Clinton began her speech:

Good morning. I want to thank Secretary West for his years of service, not only as Secretary of the Army, but also to the Veteran's Administration, to our men and women in uniform, to our country. I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia, and as Togo said, there was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn't go, so send the First Lady. That's where we went.

I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base. But it was a moment of great pride for me to visit our troops, not only in our main base as Tuzla, but also at two outposts where they were serving in so many capacities to deactivate and remove landmines, to hunt and seek out those who had not complied with the Dayton Accords and put down their arms, and to build relationships with the people that might lead to a peace for them and their children.

So was this before or after she was brokering peace in Ireland?

[classicstyxfan]

is it too late to bring Edwards back ???????

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Check this shit out...

Rocker redoes anthem for Barack Obama
Wichita Eagle ^ | 3/18/08 | Wayne Barry



ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. - Jay Jay French wants to rock. He also wants Barack.

So the Twisted Sister guitarist has rerecorded the heavy metal band's anthem, "I Wanna Rock," which has become "I Want Barack."

French, a lifelong liberal Democrat whose mother campaigned for John F. Kennedy, said Barack Obama, who is seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, has energized a new generation of voters who previously felt left out of politics.

"He has excited so many people," said French, who founded Twisted Sister in 1973, in a telephone interview Tuesday. "He has given sincere hope to people who have been out of the arena for years."

I dunno, I kind of prefer Alice Cooper's views on Rock N Rollers who get involved on politics - From 2004:

ALICE COOPER has told the Canadian Press that all the rock stars campaigning for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry are guilty of one thing: treason.

"To me, that's treason. I call it treason against rock 'n' roll because rock is the antithesis of politics. Rock should never be in bed with politics," says the 56-year-old Cooper, who begins a 15-city Canadian tour on Aug. 20 in Thunder Bay, Ont.

"When I was a kid and my parents started talking about politics, I'd run to my room and put on the ROLLING STONES as loud as I could. So when I see all these rock stars up there talking politics, it makes me sick.

"If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we're morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal."

And trust me Alice knows best. Always.

[sadie65]

is it too late to bring Edwards back ???????

Please do, we can tear him a new one too!

Which is the problem these days (and no I am not singling anyone out here). Too many people want instant resolution and answers. There is more apathy towards any politician. Elections have long since stopped being about who a person thinks is best qualified, and more about who is the lesser of all evils. No one candidate will appease the masses...and even if they do somehow win majority...wayyyy too much going on with all the special interest groups, blocs, coalitions, way too much focus on sound bytes, and appearance, that whatever they hoped to accomplish will be watered down at best by the time it meets enough criteria for approval.

Would that it were different. Would that enough people actually really worked hard enough for a change.

Peace to all