Big Interview

[Saint John]

I honestly don't think they did. Trying to tell a Wiggler that the "swaying one" was lipping is sort of like telling the Loons that the "tailed one" has a rather large sniffer. It's obvious to everyone but them.

Everyone with the exception of lparn knows he lipped. She just is too close minded to understand the facts. Dude, Frank M and me went at it big time. Even he believes now. Face it, he did it.

PS- Good ol Rich Meyers himself still thinks I made up all the lipping stuff. I would love to crack him in the puss.

You have got to be shitting me...someone still thinks he didn't lip? Stupid fucker would probably believe Neal if he said he was 5'11.

[Liam]

I still can't believe that people couldn't HEAR that it was being lipped?!?! Gotta be deaf if you didn't hear that shit.

[Rick]

I honestly don't think they did. Trying to tell a Wiggler that the "swaying one" was lipping is sort of like telling the Loons that the "tailed one" has a rather large sniffer. It's obvious to everyone but them.

Everyone with the exception of lparn knows he lipped. She just is too close minded to understand the facts. Dude, Frank M and me went at it big time. Even he believes now. Face it, he did it.

PS- Good ol Rich Meyers himself still thinks I made up all the lipping stuff. I would love to crack him in the puss.

You either have to be blind or deaf to think he didn't. The real reason they won't admit it, is that they've maintained their argument for so long, and are too proud to admit they were wrong.

[Rockindeano]

Ask her.

lparn, do you still maintain SA did not lip on the 30th Tour?

By the way, and I am not 100% sure on this, but I don't think Friga-Cain was live on his song either.

[Rick]

Ask her.

lparn, do you still maintain SA did not lip on the 30th Tour?

By the way, and I am not 100% sure on this, but I don't think Friga-Cain was live on his song either.

And I'll bet that not one of the ones that don't believe it happened have any proof to substantiate their claims.

[Lula]

i still have a hard time believing it, tho i do.

[FishinMagician]

I still can't believe that people couldn't HEAR that it was being lipped?!?! Gotta be deaf if you didn't hear that shit.

ya man if they can't hear that he was lipping then they don't deserve to listen to any music at all, being that tone deaf

[Andrew]

NEED to get an Augeri interview soon though, come on Steve get in touch/

No shot for here.

If you're Augeri don't you see MR.com as "The site that broke tapegate?"

Although I am sure your comments weren't intentional, that is a slap at Andrew. It really is not MR's fault Tapegate broke. The members here that did the "work" just so happened to be active here. With the exception of BT, it could have broke anywhere, but it might as well have been here, as MR is the most popular site.

The truth is the truth.

But...sadly that is a perception by some, including the person I interviewed. This is the place where it went down and I am ultimately partly responsible for what ensued...as this is my board.

It was a hard time for me also....very personally stressful.

[Big J]

Couple guesses

Gregg Rolie
Jon Cain

[Rick]

Couple guesses

Gregg Rolie
Jon Cain

Rolie would be great.

[Big J]

Ask her.

lparn, do you still maintain SA did not lip on the 30th Tour?

By the way, and I am not 100% sure on this, but I don't think Friga-Cain was live on his song either.

And I'll bet that not one of the ones that don't believe it happened have any proof to substantiate their claims.

I believe it happened to some extent, and guess what...I don't give a shit!

[The_Noble_Cause]

But...sadly that is a perception by some, including the person I interviewed. This is the place where it went down and I am ultimately partly responsible for what ensued...as this is my board.

It was a hard time for me also....very personally stressful.

Deano began to sound the alarm over on BT, too.
He was soon banned for dropping the slightest of accusatory bread crumbs.

The story broke here because MR.com is the only form of media to regularly and earnestly cover Journey since they regrouped.
Everyone else has long since stopped caring.

[Red13JoePa]

NEED to get an Augeri interview soon though, come on Steve get in touch/

No shot for here.

If you're Augeri don't you see MR.com as "The site that broke tapegate?"

Although I am sure your comments weren't intentional, that is a slap at Andrew. It really is not MR's fault Tapegate broke. The members here that did the "work" just so happened to be active here. With the exception of BT, it could have broke anywhere, but it might as well have been here, as MR is the most popular site.

The truth is the truth.

But...sadly that is a perception by some, including the person I interviewed. This is the place where it went down and I am ultimately partly responsible for what ensued...as this is my board.

It was a hard time for me also....very personally stressful.

See, Deano?
I to1d you.

[mistiejourney]

i still have a hard time believing it, tho i do.

I was so close during the Generations tour that I actually heard Steve struggling to sing - however, what they were hearing behind me (I was about 3 rows back) may be a different story. In fact, I could BARELY hear him and it used to tick me off that the vocals were always so buried. Now I know why. I never realized there was lipping going on but I know that SA's voice was nearly gone on the Generations tour, so the thing that I will never understand is why they went and did the DL tour knowing Steve was in such bad straits.

[Uno_up]

OK...Call me confused.
Can someone tell me why the subject of an entertainment interview has to be a secret?

[mistiejourney]

I still can't believe that people couldn't HEAR that it was being lipped?!?! Gotta be deaf if you didn't hear that shit.

ya man if they can't hear that he was lipping then they don't deserve to listen to any music at all, being that tone deaf

Thanks for making me swat that bug off the monitor, Fishin!

[mistiejourney]

NEED to get an Augeri interview soon though, come on Steve get in touch/

No shot for here.

If you're Augeri don't you see MR.com as "The site that broke tapegate?"

Although I am sure your comments weren't intentional, that is a slap at Andrew. It really is not MR's fault Tapegate broke. The members here that did the "work" just so happened to be active here. With the exception of BT, it could have broke anywhere, but it might as well have been here, as MR is the most popular site.

The truth is the truth.

But...sadly that is a perception by some, including the person I interviewed. This is the place where it went down and I am ultimately partly responsible for what ensued...as this is my board.

It was a hard time for me also....very personally stressful.

Oh Andrew, that is horrible.

[The_Noble_Cause]

i still have a hard time believing it, tho i do.

I was so close during the Generations tour that I actually heard Steve struggling to sing - however, what they were hearing behind me (I was about 3 rows back) may be a different story. In fact, I could BARELY hear him and it used to tick me off that the vocals were always so buried. Now I know why. I never realized there was lipping going on but I know that SA's voice was nearly gone on the Generations tour, so the thing that I will never understand is why they went and did the DL tour knowing Steve was in such bad straits.

Better question still - why go to the UK only to fake it?
Most of those fans never had the opportunity to experience Journey.
Wouldn't you want to bring your A-game to the table?

Instead they took the lipping even further.
With Augeri dead-on nailing such amazingly hard to sing songs like "Keep on Runnin", "Edge of the Blade" and even "Dead or Alive."
Tapes never before trotted out on U.S. soil.

[Rockindeano]

i still have a hard time believing it, tho i do.

I was so close during the Generations tour that I actually heard Steve struggling to sing - however, what they were hearing behind me (I was about 3 rows back) may be a different story. In fact, I could BARELY hear him and it used to tick me off that the vocals were always so buried. Now I know why. I never realized there was lipping going on but I know that SA's voice was nearly gone on the Generations tour, so the thing that I will never understand is why they went and did the DL tour knowing Steve was in such bad straits.

He was singing a lot of the time, you just couldn't hear it. He sang in case the mic went live, like at the end of some songs where the segued into the next one. THAT's where you really could hear the fact his voice was shot.

So, yeah, he was singing, but sometimes he was probably just mouthing the words...he knew when to take a breather and when to actually speak.

I just don't know why Elson/Shirley/even Azoff used the same CD over and over and why they didn't try to mix it up? It was too easy to figure out.

[piecesofeight]

NEED to get an Augeri interview soon though, come on Steve get in touch/

No shot for here.

If you're Augeri don't you see MR.com as "The site that broke tapegate?"

Although I am sure your comments weren't intentional, that is a slap at Andrew. It really is not MR's fault Tapegate broke. The members here that did the "work" just so happened to be active here. With the exception of BT, it could have broke anywhere, but it might as well have been here, as MR is the most popular site.

The truth is the truth.

But...sadly that is a perception by some, including the person I interviewed. This is the place where it went down and I am ultimately partly responsible for what ensued...as this is my board.

It was a hard time for me also....very personally stressful.

I disagree..you allow people a place for the most part to speak their mind. More so than any other places.
You don't allow 'rumors' about really bad stuff to be stayed posted. Just because you run a place that allows people to talk and tell the truth doesn't make you responsible.
Not as if you are giving all of us a twelve pack of beer without taking away our keys.

What I still don't get in all of this is why people don't feel overall dooped enough to not be following these guys.
I mean that seriously. Not trying to start shit. I have asked this question before and have never really gotten good answers before it turned into a shit fest.

For those of you who felt really dooped and pissed..but are now continueing to follow these guys and see them..how and why?

[piecesofeight]

The truth is the truth.

EXACTLY! Truth should never be edited or deleted.

[sadie65]

Because, I suspect, like everything else, wounds heal over time. Most attending a show want to hear the music first and foremost. I'd wager the majority seeing the band had no idea there was a whiff of any scandal regarding lip syncing. For some diehards that might have been disillusioned, perhaps the idea that they feel the band can redeem itself with the latest incarnations in terms of doing the music justice is enough. That and I suspect that the diehards here have formed an online family of sorts so the opportunity to get together and have some fun using common interests makes any anger at the band that much easier to let go.

Most people mellow over time over perceived injustices. Just an observation. Nothing more. No flames intended.

[Voyager]

I don't think very many people outside of this forum would even know what we are talking about if we mentioned the "Journey Tapegate" scandal. If we mentioned Milli Vanilli or Ashlee Simpson, they would know about that... but I don't think this Tapegate thing is really that big of a story outside of MR. None of my friends have ever even heard of it, and they are big Journey fans. I can't even remember hearing about it on the radio or seeing it in a newspaper.

[sadie65]

I don't think very many people outside of this forum would even know what we are talking about if we mentioned the "Journey Tapegate" scandal. If we mentioned Milli Vanilli or Ashlee Simpson, they would know about that... but I don't think this Tapegate thing is really that big of a story outside of MR. None of my friends have ever even heard of it, and they are big Journey fans. I can't even remember hearing about it on the radio or seeing it in a newspaper.

Hence my comment about diehards. Like it or not, Journey is a nostalgia band these days...just like almost every other classic rock band touring. Average person attending a show isn't going to have the same interest level in the band that those who frequent this forum would.

[cyndy!]

OK...Call me confused.
Can someone tell me why the subject of an entertainment interview has to be a secret?

haven't you noticed? we like to double our dose of drama around here.

[Rick]

OK...Call me confused.
Can someone tell me why the subject of an entertainment interview has to be a secret?

haven't you noticed? we like to double our dose of drama around here.

Nice av.

[piecesofeight]

I don't think very many people outside of this forum would even know what we are talking about if we mentioned the "Journey Tapegate" scandal. If we mentioned Milli Vanilli or Ashlee Simpson, they would know about that... but I don't think this Tapegate thing is really that big of a story outside of MR. None of my friends have ever even heard of it, and they are big Journey fans. I can't even remember hearing about it on the radio or seeing it in a newspaper.

It really doesn't seem to even matter. Even those diehards who do know still support so with that I guess the casual fan sure wouldn't care either.

[Greg]

I don't think very many people outside of this forum would even know what we are talking about if we mentioned the "Journey Tapegate" scandal. If we mentioned Milli Vanilli or Ashlee Simpson, they would know about that... but I don't think this Tapegate thing is really that big of a story outside of MR. None of my friends have ever even heard of it, and they are big Journey fans. I can't even remember hearing about it on the radio or seeing it in a newspaper.

Hence my comment about diehards. Like it or not, Journey is a nostalgia band these days...just like almost every other classic rock band touring. Average person attending a show isn't going to have the same interest level in the band that those who frequent this forum would.

I agree with you on that. These classic rock bands are still active because there is enough fans out there who are willing to listen to them in concert. I don't know if they lose any money on making new albums (or if they break even,) but I doubt they make any real money off of new albums. Which, don't get me wrong, I am thankful we have some of these classic bands still wanting to tour (albeit a lot of them aren't touring as an original band anymore.) But, to be on top of the world again, you'll never see that with the exception of a very few bands (like Aerosmith or the Rolling Stones.)

[Rick]

I don't think very many people outside of this forum would even know what we are talking about if we mentioned the "Journey Tapegate" scandal. If we mentioned Milli Vanilli or Ashlee Simpson, they would know about that... but I don't think this Tapegate thing is really that big of a story outside of MR. None of my friends have ever even heard of it, and they are big Journey fans. I can't even remember hearing about it on the radio or seeing it in a newspaper.

Hence my comment about diehards. Like it or not, Journey is a nostalgia band these days...just like almost every other classic rock band touring. Average person attending a show isn't going to have the same interest level in the band that those who frequent this forum would.

I agree with you on that. These classic rock bands are still active because there is enough fans out there who are willing to listen to them in concert. I don't know if they lose any money on making new albums (or if they break even,) but I doubt they make any real money off of new albums. Which, don't get me wrong, I am thankful we have some of these classic bands still wanting to tour (albeit a lot of them aren't touring as an original band anymore.) But, to be on top of the world again, you'll never see that with the exception of a very few bands (like Aerosmith or the Rolling Stones.)

I agree to a large extent, but I'm kind of curious as to how this deal with WalMart will bring up the revenue from their CD set.

[Greg]

I don't think very many people outside of this forum would even know what we are talking about if we mentioned the "Journey Tapegate" scandal. If we mentioned Milli Vanilli or Ashlee Simpson, they would know about that... but I don't think this Tapegate thing is really that big of a story outside of MR. None of my friends have ever even heard of it, and they are big Journey fans. I can't even remember hearing about it on the radio or seeing it in a newspaper.

Hence my comment about diehards. Like it or not, Journey is a nostalgia band these days...just like almost every other classic rock band touring. Average person attending a show isn't going to have the same interest level in the band that those who frequent this forum would.

I agree with you on that. These classic rock bands are still active because there is enough fans out there who are willing to listen to them in concert. I don't know if they lose any money on making new albums (or if they break even,) but I doubt they make any real money off of new albums. Which, don't get me wrong, I am thankful we have some of these classic bands still wanting to tour (albeit a lot of them aren't touring as an original band anymore.) But, to be on top of the world again, you'll never see that with the exception of a very few bands (like Aerosmith or the Rolling Stones.)

I agree to a large extent, but I'm kind of curious as to how this deal with WalMart will bring up the revenue from their CD set.

I don't expect any miracles. If the album sells more than recent past albums, it will be because of the greatest hits CD. Fortunately or unfortunately. However you want to look at it.