What I would love to hear from SP if he ever records again.

[NealIsGod]

No wonder Steve Perry doesn't read the internet.

I fear a lot of bad is going to come from this interview.

Nothing will ever come close to tapegate.

[Saint John]

No wonder Steve Perry doesn't read the internet.

I fear a lot of bad is going to come from this interview.

Like what...the truth? While I certainly don't believe just because Herbie Herbert says something it's the truth, I am more likely to believe a guy that doesn't pry away inalienable rights and make others sign gag orders. And if Perry doesn't read the internet why should this be a problem? Or are you openly admitting that his Loonball followers are about as mentally fragile as easter eggs in a hurricane?

[Rockindeano]

No wonder Steve Perry doesn't read the internet.

I fear a lot of bad is going to come from this interview.

Like what...the truth? While I certainly don't believe just because Herbie Herbert says something it's the truth, I am more likely to believe a guy that doesn't pry away inalienable rights and make others sign gag orders. And if Perry doesn't read the internet why should this be a problem? Or are you openly admitting that his Loonball followers are about as mentally fragile as easter eggs in a hurricane?

No, I am saying that NOT everything Herbie says is Gospel. The mere fact that he still hates certain members, after what, 15 years, is the reason I won't necessarily take his word as truth. Ironically, the one guy who brought the money and fame to this band, and who happens to be as headstrong as Herbie, seems to get a lot of heat from the triple Cheeseburglar.

Dan, I used to write what you now write. I too was pissed at Steve for not singing, and I would blame him for this and that, but came to realize that I was wrong. Perry is not the blame all; sure he had some low points, but I doubt he is as bad as HH is going to say he is.

This whole thing is just going to throw grease on the fire. I can still remember Perry graciously commending Herbie Herbert at the Hollywood WOF ceremony. He is the only member to do so. I see Steve Perry as the only one who has seriously grown up and moved on. Herbie seems to hold a grudge against everyone.

I am torn on this, for real.

[LazzMan]

No wonder Steve Perry doesn't read the internet.

I fear a lot of bad is going to come from this interview.

Like what...the truth? While I certainly don't believe just because Herbie Herbert says something it's the truth, I am more likely to believe a guy that doesn't pry away inalienable rights and make others sign gag orders. And if Perry doesn't read the internet why should this be a problem? Or are you openly admitting that his Loonball followers are about as mentally fragile as easter eggs in a hurricane?

No, I am saying that NOT everything Herbie says is Gospel. The mere fact that he still hates certain members, after what, 15 years, is the reason I won't necessarily take his word as truth. Ironically, the one guy who brought the money and fame to this band, and who happens to be as headstrong as Herbie, seems to get a lot of heat from the triple Cheeseburglar.

Dan, I used to write what you now write. I too was pissed at Steve for not singing, and I would blame him for this and that, but came to realize that I was wrong. Perry is not the blame all; sure he had some low points, but I doubt he is as bad as HH is going to say he is.

This whole thing is just going to throw grease on the fire. I can still remember Perry graciously commending Herbie Herbert at the Hollywood WOF ceremony. He is the only member to do so. I see Steve Perry as the only one who has seriously grown up and moved on. Herbie seems to hold a grudge against everyone.

I am torn on this, for real.

Well said. Steve Perry, who all admit (including HH), was the single biggest key to their commercial success. HH likes to talk about how he was the mastermind behind Journey but, it all comes down to execution. Would Journey have been as successful if HH would have brought in another singer and made different moves? Who knows and who cares. Steve Perry with Journey made HH a very rich man. Everyone else seems to have grown up and moved on, including Jon and Neal.

You make a great point about Perry offering some extremely kind words around HH at the WOF deal. That's class. By HH continuing to throw rocks at Perry after all this time, for no real reason, is just immature. He didn't need to thank Perry for his kind words but, he could at least stop his crusade of telling everyone who'll listen how much of a dickhead Perry used to be. Bands are like a marriage between 4 or 5 people and band management is like the in-laws. It's hard enough to keep marriages between two people going strong these days much less 4 or 5. And then, there's those meddling in-laws. The point is that marriages (bands) rarely fall apart because of just one person or thing. It's a combination of factors. Everyone else realizes this. HH just needs to get the fuck over it and get over himself.

[Rockindeano]

No wonder Steve Perry doesn't read the internet.

I fear a lot of bad is going to come from this interview.

Nothing will ever come close to tapegate.

I believe this HH interview will squash it. People care more about the "Classic Years" than the SA era.

[Panther]

Dayum... A shoot 'em up and I missed it!

As crazy as it sounds, I follow in Deano's steps on this one. Bar holding a loaded weapon to the heads of the respective members, holding that cleaver over the hands of the other members or any other physically threatening measure one can come up with.... ONE person did NOT cause ALL the strife between the best known incarnation of this band. Any one of them could have simply stood on their own and not followed along as if they had no business acumen or professional capabilities themselves.

They are all equally responsible for everything they went through during those times, including the volcano known as Mr. Herbert. Besides... going back and changing what happened would not have changed the outcome. The band, sad as it is for most of us to admit, would still be as irrelevant today as it is without having the ability to change those happenings. As big as the VH tour :::cough::: was, as much as Rush tours (or any of the other bands from the same era)... THEY are not the ones reaching the mass market of the younger generation (where the BIG money is). Yeah, they're bringing in some nice change, but run a poll amongst the general public asking who is putting out new music... OUR beloved band most likely will not be mentioned.

Geeze people, hang up the blame game arguments. It isn't getting anyone anywhere, unless you like chasing the end of that circle. In that case.. please go read the NASCAR thread! lol

[Johnny Mohawk]

Herbie Herbert obviously has an axe to grind with almost everybody in the Journey camp. He has bad-mouthed just about every member and former member of the band, while praising himself to the point where it seems that he feels that his contributions were more important than the actual music that the band was creating.

I'm sure that there is some truth to many of his stories. I'm sure that Perry was head-strong at times about his ideas for the band and that Schon made some bad decisions at times, and so on. I'm also sure that the success that the band achieved was partially due to the efforts of Herbie while he was their manager. BUT, without those musicians creating the music, you got nothin'!

From everything that we've heard over the years, it seems that most of the band-members were content to let Herbie run the show without question (at least at first). However, over time Perry began to want more control (more say-so as to how his career was being run). Did the non-stop touring schedule play a role in Journey reaching the heights that they attained? I'm sure it did.
However, had Herbie not pressured the band into that rigorous schedule year after year after year and allowed for more time off etc., it's also possible that the in-fighting and dissention within the group would not have been as prevelant and that Perry would not have gotten "burned out" during the mid 80's. And if that was the case, maybe Journey would have continued for several more years than it did.

Obviously, we'll never really know what would have happened, but when I hear Herbie trying to take most of the credit for Journey's success, I can't help but wonder.

[Lora]

Geeze people, hang up the blame game arguments.

Amen.

[frfksakes]

No, I am saying that NOT everything Herbie says is Gospel. The mere fact that he still hates certain members, after what, 15 years, is the reason I won't necessarily take his word as truth. Ironically, the one guy who brought the money and fame to this band, and who happens to be as headstrong as Herbie, seems to get a lot of heat from the triple Cheeseburglar.

Dan, I used to write what you now write. I too was pissed at Steve for not singing, and I would blame him for this and that, but came to realize that I was wrong. Perry is not the blame all; sure he had some low points, but I doubt he is as bad as HH is going to say he is.

This whole thing is just going to throw grease on the fire. I can still remember Perry graciously commending Herbie Herbert at the Hollywood WOF ceremony. He is the only member to do so. I see Steve Perry as the only one who has seriously grown up and moved on. Herbie seems to hold a grudge against everyone.

I am torn on this, for real.

Good post, Dean.
& I'm both dreading and extremely interested to read what Herbie has to say

[Sarah]

Something very organic. Lose the pianos and synths that he has had on most of his stuff. A lot of acoustic guitars and a very warm production. I am not really a Dixie Chicks fan however their album Home had some incredible feeling stuff. VERY organic recording and SO DAMN WARM and no drums the whole time but you would never know it. That type of production with his vocals... I would love to hear something like that from him.

Well, I'd certainly buy whatever he put out...

I probably wouldn't have to buy it exclusively at WalMart.

[SusieP]

I'm sure that there is some truth to many of his stories.

In the lyrics of Don Henley, "there are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the cold hard truth."


Everybody puts their spin on what really went down. It's the way it is.

I still want to read everyone's version of it, though.

[Saint John]

Something very organic. Lose the pianos and synths that he has had on most of his stuff. A lot of acoustic guitars and a very warm production. I am not really a Dixie Chicks fan however their album Home had some incredible feeling stuff. VERY organic recording and SO DAMN WARM and no drums the whole time but you would never know it. That type of production with his vocals... I would love to hear something like that from him.

Well, I'd certainly buy whatever he put out...

I probably wouldn't have to buy it exclusively at WalMart.

You won't buy it anywhere. Dude's done. You should "probably" STFU.

[ForeverInBlue]

The ONLY person who even comes close to knowing what happened is Lora. All you peeps are just giving your opinion.

[Saint John]

All you peeps are just giving your opinion.

This message was provided to you by Captain Obvious. Yulog?

[ForeverInBlue]

Sometimes peeps here give their opinion and they act like it's gospel. Clarifying for the general public.

[Matthew]

I can still remember Perry graciously commending Herbie Herbert at the Hollywood WOF ceremony. He is the only member to do so. I see Steve Perry as the only one who has seriously grown up and moved on.

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Well said....

[Saint John]

I can still remember Perry graciously commending Herbie Herbert at the Hollywood WOF ceremony.

The guy told the truth for once. Big deal. You've become so used to him doing otherwise that when he actually makes sense or tells the truth you deem it necessary to throw him a Scooby Snack. Pathetic, at best.

[youkeepmewaiting]

I can still remember Perry graciously commending Herbie Herbert at the Hollywood WOF ceremony.

The guy told the truth for once. Big deal. You've become so used to him doing otherwise that when he actually makes sense or tells the truth you deem it necessary to throw him a Scooby Snack. Pathetic, at best.

Good point. I love Perry but he has been speaking outta his arse for too long

[Matthew]

I can still remember Perry graciously commending Herbie Herbert at the Hollywood WOF ceremony.

The guy told the truth for once. Big deal. You've become so used to him doing otherwise that when he actually makes sense or tells the truth you deem it necessary to throw him a Scooby Snack. Pathetic, at best.

Good point. I love Perry but he has been speaking outta his arse for too long

What on earth are you both banging on about? The guy has barely said anything for years about anything...and aside from a flicker of self-pity in the BTM about ten years ago he has been nothing but discreet and gracious.

Okay...he hasn't officially announced his retirement but there's no need to get in a flap about it.

[Deb]

I can still remember Perry graciously commending Herbie Herbert at the Hollywood WOF ceremony.

The guy told the truth for once. Big deal. You've become so used to him doing otherwise that when he actually makes sense or tells the truth you deem it necessary to throw him a Scooby Snack. Pathetic, at best.

Gawd Dan, still luv ya big guy, but you're beginning to sound like Perry's spurned lover or something.

[Matthew]

I can still remember Perry graciously commending Herbie Herbert at the Hollywood WOF ceremony.

The guy told the truth for once. Big deal. You've become so used to him doing otherwise that when he actually makes sense or tells the truth you deem it necessary to throw him a Scooby Snack. Pathetic, at best.

Gawd Dan, still luv ya big guy, but you're beginning to sound like Perry's spurned lover or something.

Let's hope Perry doesn't keep any pet rabbits in his yard...

[Deb]

I can still remember Perry graciously commending Herbie Herbert at the Hollywood WOF ceremony.

The guy told the truth for once. Big deal. You've become so used to him doing otherwise that when he actually makes sense or tells the truth you deem it necessary to throw him a Scooby Snack. Pathetic, at best.

Gawd Dan, still luv ya big guy, but you're beginning to sound like Perry's spurned lover or something.

Let's hope Perry doesn't keep any pet rabbits in his yard...

That was a good movie though....

[Red13JoePa]

I can still remember Perry graciously commending Herbie Herbert at the Hollywood WOF ceremony.

The guy told the truth for once. Big deal. You've become so used to him doing otherwise that when he actually makes sense or tells the truth you deem it necessary to throw him a Scooby Snack. Pathetic, at best.

Gawd Dan, still luv ya big guy, but you're beginning to sound like Perry's spurned lover or something.

The scales have merely been lifted from his eyes.

[STORY_TELLER]

I can still remember Perry graciously commending Herbie Herbert at the Hollywood WOF ceremony.

The guy told the truth for once. Big deal. You've become so used to him doing otherwise that when he actually makes sense or tells the truth you deem it necessary to throw him a Scooby Snack. Pathetic, at best.

Gawd Dan, still luv ya big guy, but you're beginning to sound like Perry's spurned lover or something.

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