Which version of Survivor would you rather see?

by **Eyeof** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:33 am

that is very interesting...so basically getting a natinal gig like Dave did is a cash cow...

I've had some experience with dealing with what people make for just commericals, resids and all, and it's amazing...

by **Slander** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:10 am

FalconONE wrote:But I prefer the original sound of Survivor.. the Street sound. A powerful one.

The bands image with Dave on vocals had a real authenticity to it. It was real. It was heartfelt. Just my opinion. By the way I may get laughed off the board but I always felt that Santa Ana Winds is to Survivor what Hotel California is the Eagles. Santa Ana Winds is that good!

by **kgdjpubs** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:14 am

Eyeof wrote:I'm with you, but keep in mind from my understanding VS was written mostly with Dave in mind...there is even that rumor of VS demos with Bickler...I'd sale the house for those...lol...

But the real surprise is Dave on "The Serach is Over"...wow...

Search and Broken Promises really sound like they were written for Dave to sing. It's a very different feel than the Jamison versions, but you can almost tell the melody and phrasing were written for Bickler. He does ok on High on You (anyone know the timeframe this was written?), and considerably better than you would think on I Can't Hold Back (which was definitely written after he left). Either way, Search really does take on a different feel with Dave on vocals--probably that little bit of an edge that was missing, as it is one of those songs (like Journey's Open Arms) that can quickly get syrupy, sickly sweet if you if you take it too far in one direction.

Speaking of that show, I'm also impressed how well You Know Who You Are sounded live, especially as sterile as the studio version came across.

by **Eyeof** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:45 am

Can you imagine how good that show could be if it had of been professional? I mean guys, it's someone with a video camera in 1993...

And it rocks...Dave's ending to Search is the band at it's absolute best...He was really on top of his vocal game at that time....

by **Slander** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:48 am

Eyeof wrote:Can you imagine how good that show could be if it had of been professional? I mean guys, it's someone with a video camera in 1993...

And it rocks...Dave's ending to Search is the band at it's absolute best...He was really on top of his vocal game at that time....

Eye I have never heard Dave sing anything off of VS. Is it that good? How much of the album was written with Dave in mind?

by **Red13JoePa** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:50 am

Dave does a sick Broken Promises as well as a pretty mean I Can't Hold Back and Burning Bridges.

by **Eyeof** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:06 am

i would agree...Broken Promises takes on a whole new level with Dave...

Yes Slander...if you are a fan of the Dave era, it is that good. I will say this though...beware...once you hear that boot, it will make you sick wanting more...

I would take out a loan to be able to hear an entire VS album with Dave behind the wheel...

by **Eyeof** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:07 am

Slander...I'll repost the boot tonight for you...

by **Slander** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:15 am

Eyeof wrote:Slander...I'll repost the boot tonight for you...

Eye thank you very much. No offense to JJ, but I really wonder what would have happened had Dave not had his health problems. I still think the band would have been very successful.

by **silvergirl66** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:01 am

THAT IS MY FAVORITE BOOT!! thanks Eyeof!! It's like those Mint Chocolate Girlscout cookies, you can't get enough of it!! LOL!

by **Slander** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:05 am

silvergirl66 wrote:THAT IS MY FAVORITE BOOT!! thanks Eyeof!! It's like those Mint Chocolate Girlscout cookies, you can't get enough of it!! LOL!

I just ate a whole box! 4 bucks now!

by **Eyeof** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:07 am

Slander...sorry, i ran out of time last night, but I'll get it up...don't worry...

Not to rub it in, but I just had to pop it in again this morning...

Red you are right...sick version of Broken Promises...Man, this band was made for Bickler's voice...

Hell, he even rocks desperate dreams...

by **Slander** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:20 am

Eyeof wrote:Slander...sorry, i ran out of time last night, but I'll get it up...don't worry...

Not to rub it in, but I just had to pop it in again this morning...

Red you are right...sick version of Broken Promises...Man, this band was made for Bickler's voice...

Hell, he even rocks desperate dreams...

No problem! Did Dave ever sing Burning Heart?

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:02 am

Doubt it.

The Mohegan Sun boot from '99 I have Frankie plays the opening lead of Burning Heart before detouring into Eye.

by **Slander** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:07 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Doubt it.

The Mohegan Sun boot from '99 I have Frankie plays the opening lead of Burning Heart before detouring into Eye.

That's too bad. I often wonder how the band would have evolved had Dave's voice held up in the 80's. I like their chances a lot!

by **silvergirl66** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:51 am

They'd always open with a teaser Burning heart but never finish with Dave. At least the performances I've heard but there might be a time he sang it. Eyeof would know!

by **Slander** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:54 am

silvergirl66 wrote:They'd always open with a teaser Burning heart but never finish with Dave. At least the performances I've heard but there might be a time he sang it. Eyeof would know!

I always thought this gritty song would suit Dave. Has Dave ever sung Moment Of Truth?

by **silvergirl66** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:18 am

don't think so, i think Frankie wanted to forget about that one?

by **Slander** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:20 am

silvergirl66 wrote:don't think so, i think Frankie wanted to forget about that one?

Yeah he's not a big fan. I just wondered if they ever played this in concert at all. Even with Jamo.

by **IngoK** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:00 am

Slander wrote:
silvergirl66 wrote:don't think so, i think Frankie wanted to forget about that one?

Yeah he's not a big fan. I just wondered if they ever played this in concert at all. Even with Jamo.

Like MOT much but I never heard that they played it live.

by **Eyeof** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:09 pm

okay Slander feast away....

But it's just going to leave you wanting so much more...

Survivior, 1993 - Live in LaGrange

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R4HU8KCA

by **Slander** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:51 am

Eyeof wrote:okay Slander feast away....

But it's just going to leave you wanting so much more...

Survivior, 1993 - Live in LaGrange

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R4HU8KCA

Thanks Eye. Much appreciated. I will have to wait until I get home from work to download. Can't wait.

by **Slander** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:09 am

Eyeof wrote:okay Slander feast away....

But it's just going to leave you wanting so much more...

Survivior, 1993 - Live in LaGrange

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R4HU8KCA

Hey Eye,

Thanks again. What great stuff. At the same time it made me incredibly sad. Oh what might have been. I know the band had great success but I can't help but feel that what is heard in 93 is the real Survivor. What a sound. Dave does a great job with the VS stuff. Dare I say it: I like his version Broken Promises better! Dave please come back.

by **Eyeof** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:24 am

Slander,

Go back and compare the LIVE (versions) ending of Dave's the Search is Over from 1993 and JJ's from Extended Versions...it's not even close to comparable...not even close....

I like Dave's version of Broken Promises a lot better and the Search as well...and as Red put it...that's a wicked version of Burning Bridges...

And keep in mind dude, this was done with a hand held vhs camera in the early 90's...imagine what it would have sounded like in the studio...

It's sick....pure sick....

by **Slander** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:30 am

Eyeof wrote:Slander,

Go back and compare the LIVE (versions) ending of Dave's the Search is Over from 1993 and JJ's from Extended Versions...it's not even close to comparable...not even close....

I like Dave's version of Broken Promises a lot better and the Search as well...and as Red put it...that's a wicked version of Burning Bridges...

And keep in mind dude, this was done with a hand held vhs camera in the early 90's...imagine what it would have sounded like in the studio...

It's sick....pure sick....

Wow. I converted everything to mp3. Was this a video or audio file? Just curious. I'm a tv guy so I'm not too bright when it comes to this stuff. Wasn't VS written for Dave anyway?

by **silvergirl66** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:20 am

did I scare everyone away yesterday with that story I posted or what? LOL! to funny. anyway, listening to the boot right now. a girl has to have a great pair of boots, or at least one and this is the best ever! :wink:

Dave should get his hands on this and sells some copies, he'd be rich! If only the internet was going back in the early 90's. They could have promoted themselves better. At least I would have known where they were and could have went to that show damnit! I missed so much back then!

by **Slander** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:29 am

silvergirl66 wrote:did I scare everyone away yesterday with that story I posted or what? LOL! to funny. anyway, listening to the boot right now. a girl has to have a great pair of boots, or at least one and this is the best ever! Dave should get his hands on this and sells some copies, he'd be rich! If only the internet was going back in the early 90's. They could have promoted themselves better. At least I would have known where they were and could have went to that show damnit! I missed so much back then!

I've said it for months now Silver. We need to have been the promoters of the band. What an opportunity missed. Dave, in my opinion, is an unappreciated gem. Is he silky smooth? No. But there is a raw authenticity that fits Survivor to a tee. Just my humble opinion.

by **silvergirl66** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:40 am

I listen to internet radio most of the time here at work to a station out of LA. They play mostly hair bands from the 80's and they play alot of McAuley Schenker Group. I think Robin was awesome in that group, he fit perfect, but to be honest, he just doesn't fit well in Survivor for me. I have tried and tried to make it work for me but it's not peas and carrots for me as Forest would say. I think he's a super nice guy, a great frontman, but not the best choice for the band. Ok Slander don't hate me! LOl!

but I agree, I could have been the best marketing person for them, they just didn't hire me!

by **Slander** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:45 am

silvergirl66 wrote:I listen to internet radio most of the time here at work to a station out of LA. They play mostly hair bands from the 80's and they play alot of McAuley Schenker Group. I think Robin was awesome in that group, he fit perfect, but to be honest, he just doesn't fit well in Survivor for me. I have tried and tried to make it work for me but it's not peas and carrots for me as Forest would say. I think he's a super nice guy, a great frontman, but not the best choice for the band. Ok Slander don't hate me! LOl!

but I agree, I could have been the best marketing person for them, they just didn't hire me!

Hate you?

I don't hate anybody. LOL. I never said I felt Robin was the best choice for the band. I merely believe he needs to be given a chance. That's all. I have seen him live and think he is terrific. He is also a great front man. I also like the stuff he and FS put together. It kind of had a Survivor vibe to it. No one is going to replace DB. It's that simple. I would love to hear Johnny Edwards do Survivor stuff. I think he would have made an interesting choice for the band too.

by **silvergirl66** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:52 am

yeah, it would be interesting to see who FS would audition if Robin decided to quit. Arnel already has a job!

he does great on Survivor songs!

MR

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