Re-Recordings

[conversationpc]

No one is happy on this forum about these songs being redone (i dont think).

I am.
I love it.
And evidently my mindset as it applies to the triple disc Revelation is in tune with the band's because the first thing I planned on playing was what is disc 1, the re recordings.

That's because you don't love Perry's voice as much as most of us do. There is no way to improve those songs.

Don't tell ME.
That's it. We're dusting it up.

We're not friends for the next 2 hours.

I love this guy. You're hilarious, my friend.

[Red13JoePa]

Red13Joanne, you are a weird bastard.

*Sigh*

I just hope you're happy.

Hope you're proud.

Dude, I mean mam, you get all pissy at me because I think personal shit about Perry by Herbie is wrong, yet you cheerlead the shit out of Augeri?

I liked his singing in the band and I love the Generations album.
I didn't cheerlead for him sacheing about in bobby sox with a bullhorn almost the same size as the schnoz on swofford's wife who YOU lead cheers for.

[tammy]

Even though it pains me terribly to say this, Arnel stood a passing chance of success if they just released a double CD/DVD. One album of new songs and the live DVD.

Agreed!

Also, agree. I won't buy it because it pains me to see they re-recorded what is established and perfect. I don't care what anyone says about it being business & making money...in my eyes it is a slap in SP's face. I wish they had let it be.

[Deb]

There will be war, outright war on here starting sooner rather than later. When does that fuzzy foreign bastard wake up. Let's call him and wake his ass up just to fuck with him.

I'm ready....

[Cheska]

No one should mess with perfection....it never sounds the same

[Saint John]

Even though it pains me terribly to say this, Arnel stood a passing chance of success if they just released a double CD/DVD. One album of new songs and the live DVD.

Agreed!

Also, agree. I won't buy it because it pains me to see they re-recorded what is established and perfect. I don't care what anyone says about it being business & making money...in my eyes it is a slap in SP's face. I wish they had let it be.

The only thing you get if you try to slap Perry in the face is a hand full of snot.

[Deb]

Even though it pains me terribly to say this, Arnel stood a passing chance of success if they just released a double CD/DVD. One album of new songs and the live DVD.

Agreed!

Also, agree. I won't buy it because it pains me to see they re-recorded what is established and perfect. I don't care what anyone says about it being business & making money...in my eyes it is a slap in SP's face. I wish they had let it be.

The only thing you get if you try to slap Perry in the face is a hand full of snot.

Har har har har, aren't you funny.

[strangegrey]

Red, name *one* redo (beside's whitesnake's Here I go Again and Fool For Your Loving) that was redone with greater success than the original....And if you come up with one...I can pile on at least 10 utter failures on top of it.


The fact of the matter is that people gravitate to their first hearing of a song.


Hell, it happens to the artist as well. Nuno Bettancourt calls it Demoitis. When artists record a song, they usually record a demo of the song to determine if it's a worthy song to cut for an album. Nuno has complained about having trouble improving upon the demo, when in the studio cutting the actual track.

Lets assume that Schlong and Yeast-boy actually record better tracks....this still leaves Arnel to *directly* compete with Perry's voice. Not only are you battling the greatest throat that ever lived...but you're battling 20+ years of ingrained memory of the listener.

I would submit that to battle Perry's voice alone (i.e. if they both recorded their versions at the same time) would be along the lines of bringing a knife to a gunfight...but battling 20 years of people hearing the original over and over again....It's literally a complete and utter recipe for disaster.


The other fact, as I have mentioned is that, because this disc of redos is accompanying the new CD, the new CD gets completely overshadowed. No one will give two shits about new songs, when there's 5 idiots bringing pocketknives to this gunfight on another CD in the package.

[ProgRocker53]

I know a lot of people that are giving multiple shits about the new songs.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Red, name *one* redo (beside's whitesnake's Here I go Again and Fool For Your Loving) that was redone with greater success than the original....And if you come up with one...I can pile on at least 10 utter failures on top of it.


The fact of the matter is that people gravitate to their first hearing of a song.


Hell, it happens to the artist as well. Nuno Bettancourt calls it Demoitis. When artists record a song, they usually record a demo of the song to determine if it's a worthy song to cut for an album. Nuno has complained about having trouble improving upon the demo, when in the studio cutting the actual track.

Lets assume that Schlong and Yeast-boy actually record better tracks....this still leaves Arnel to *directly* compete with Perry's voice. Not only are you battling the greatest throat that ever lived...but you're battling 20+ years of ingrained memory of the listener.

I would submit that to battle Perry's voice alone (i.e. if they both recorded their versions at the same time) would be along the lines of bringing a knife to a gunfight...but battling 20 years of people hearing the original over and over again....It's literally a complete and utter recipe for disaster.


The other fact, as I have mentioned is that, because this disc of redos is accompanying the new CD, the new CD gets completely overshadowed. No one will give two shits about new songs, when there's 5 idiots bringing pocketknives to this gunfight on another CD in the package.

Very few people have given two shits about the last 3 album of new songs, correct?. So this way we can get the few peolpe who do give a few shits about the new songs and hopefully some casual fans may be swayed too pick up the new box set as it also contains the classic hits.

[conversationpc]

Red, name *one* redo (beside's whitesnake's Here I go Again and Fool For Your Loving) that was redone with greater success than the original....And if you come up with one...I can pile on at least 10 utter failures on top of it.

Whitesnake - Crying in the Rain

[Red13JoePa]

Red, name *one* redo (beside's whitesnake's Here I go Again and Fool For Your Loving) that was redone with greater success than the original....And if you come up with one...I can pile on at least 10 utter failures on top of it.

Why the hell's it matter THAT much, Francois?
Journey hasn't said they'll be better or worse.
You're starting to sound like a perry jihadist for chrissake.

[hoagiepete]

Looking forward to hearing the new songs. I have no desire whatsoever to hear the classics redone. Why taint them? Arnel may do a great job on them...but why?

I'll buy the cd set but I can assure the re-recordings will not make my Ipod. I can't understand why anyone would want this other some diehard Arnel fans and the band for business reasons. I can't imagine anyone growing up with the classics would get too excited about this.

Would Led Zep fans buy a redone Led Zep IV with a new Robert Plant? How about Dark Side of the Moon without Watters or Gilmour? Aerosmith subbing out Tyler on their classics? I could go on and on. This makes no sense to me.

[ttango1]

The other fact, as I have mentioned is that, because this disc of redos is accompanying the new CD, the new CD gets completely overshadowed. No one will give two shits about new songs, when there's 5 idiots bringing pocketknives to this gunfight on another CD in the package.

In your opinion you mean. While what you've posed may be a possibility, it doesn't mean that that is the status quo.
Like Prog, I too think that the NEW stuff will be solid contributions to an already solid catalog and that while the re-records might see to cheapen past accomplishments, TO ME, it enhances what are already strong songs by giving me different versions. Ultimately I have the power to choose to listen to it or not just like you guys do. That's should be power enough for the lot of us but there seem to be some that don't see it that way. As if, we could have stopped the band from taking their music and doing what they want with it.

[Red13JoePa]

In your opinion you mean.

LOL
Sorry but your repeated use of this phrase sets my Suze-O-Meter needles a-twitching.

Into OVERdrive.

[Since 78]

No one is happy on this forum about these songs being redone (i dont think).

I am.
I love it.
And evidently my mindset as it applies to the triple disc Revelation is in tune with the band's because the first thing I planned on playing was what is disc 1, the re recordings.

Count me in! I will listen to the re records first, should be fun. Don't think it will tarnish the originals at all.

[Voyager]

Rerecording WYLAW makes NO sense to me.

Re-recording ANY of the Journey classics makes no sense to me. What could possibly be their motivation other than trying to remove the legacy of Steve Perry from Journey? It's obvious that they are trying to prove that the voice of Steve Perry is not exclusively what made Journey so popular.

The fact is, Journey didn't sell 75-million albums with Pineda, Augeri, JSS, Fleischman, Rolie, or anyone else as their lead singer - the 75-million albums were sold with Steve Perry as the lead singer. Until Journey can even sell one-million albums with a singer other than Steve Perry, I'd say that they are fighting a losing battle to try to prove to anyone that Steve Perry was/is not their only hit frontman.

[Saint John]

In your opinion you mean.

LOL
Sorry but your repeated use of this phrase sets my Suze-O-Meter needles a-twitching.

Into OVERdrive.

Settle down, Joey. I met ttango...great dude.

[Red13JoePa]

That's great if you two swapped spittle and pissed in eachother's boots, SJ.

I'm not saying my Suze-O-Meter's always accurate, just that THAT phrase throws an "AWWWOOOGA!!" out.

[Voyager]

Re-recording classic songs from 25-30 years ago with a new singer = a nostalgia/tribute recording. There is no other logical way to define it. But for some reason I don't think they view it that way or like to hear anyone label it that. Why is that?

[Deb]

That's great if you two swapped spittle and pissed in eachother's boots, SJ.

I'm not saying my Suze-O-Meter's always accurate, just that THAT phrase throws an "AWWWOOOGA!!" out.

On fire today, JoePa. Funny stuff!

[ttango1]

No problem HappyValleyCamper.

I just meant that while SG had a valid opinion, it was his opinion and while it may have a modicum of truth, it still isn't all the way right. As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

In your opinion just meant that there are some of us whose opinions don't follow.

But again...I'm all dude...dude. And the only Suze I know looked hot naked.

[FishinMagician]

Agree with you 100%. A lot of the time I prefer the raw live vocals over studio. Almost every single live version of LTS I've heard has won me over the studio version. I was just talking about this with someone a little while ago. IMO, perfect example is one of JSS's new songs. I liked 21st Century when I heard it on his myspace, but it didn't totally grab me.........different story LIVE, that one comes across fabulous live! Sig youtube

Rip, that was Larry......and it was a joke.

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[Sarah]

Yeah, I don't really see the whole point, either. Like strangegrey said, people tend to like what they heard first, so a lot of people are used to the originals and are fine with them. You could argue that a new generation will be hearing the remakes first and like them, but WHERE would they hear them in the first place? I doubt they'll get radio play, so a new generation would have to look hard to discover them. Seems like it's just kinda pandering to the new Filipino fans (who are only here for Arnel) which is cool, but unecessary imo.

Though I'd probably be on board if it was a CD of more obscure songs remade. I mean, how many DSBs and Separate Ways do I need, really... The inclusion of WYLAW is so stupid, it's not even outdated. The whole thing just seems unecessary. But I will give it a listen.

[Arkansas]

Maybe what wally-world really wanted was some sort of GH record, and the band wanted something else. So the only way to get the WM deal was compromise, ie, include everything with the new guy to get the whole yesterday, today, & tomorrow (this summer) effect, but keep the vocals consistent. I mean, even if everything was legal and amicable, putting out a Perry GH album in the same package with disks of another singer simply wouldn't fly. Besides, this also gives the band a chance to do things differently, or maybe how they originally wanted. Might give DC a little creative space to be himself too, rather than puppet Steve Smith.

We'll see...


later~

[Andrew]

I have to know something...Andrew..

Are there any plans to update the sound on these? maybe rock them up a bit, add a little more "oomph" to some that need it....like Faithfully...(not a bad song, but lets face it, it's 2008...it could stand an update)?

Are they complete NEW RECORDINGS...Or are they more or less doing Karaoke to the originals?

I have no idea at all.

I have just learnt that there will ne ZERO advance copies of this album sent to the press (me included). A 5 track sampler (2 re-records and 3 new studio cuts) is all that will be issued....so I'll only hear this record when the rest of you do.

So much for advance reviews

[Greg]

Yeah, I don't really see the whole point, either. Like strangegrey said, people tend to like what they heard first, so a lot of people are used to the originals and are fine with them. You could argue that a new generation will be hearing the remakes first and like them, but WHERE would they hear them in the first place? I doubt they'll get radio play, so a new generation would have to look hard to discover them. Seems like it's just kinda pandering to the new Filipino fans (who are only here for Arnel) which is cool, but unecessary imo.

Though I'd probably be on board if it was a CD of more obscure songs remade. I mean, how many DSBs and Separate Ways do I need, really... The inclusion of WYLAW is so stupid, it's not even outdated. The whole thing just seems unecessary. But I will give it a listen.

Seems pointless to me as well Sarah. The only way I'd even amuse the thoughts of re-made Journey classics is if the original band members (and I mean all of them) were re-recording them. Why people think it's a good idea to improve on something that is already perfect is beyond me.

[venomnation]

I have to know something...Andrew..

Are there any plans to update the sound on these? maybe rock them up a bit, add a little more "oomph" to some that need it....like Faithfully...(not a bad song, but lets face it, it's 2008...it could stand an update)?

Are they complete NEW RECORDINGS...Or are they more or less doing Karaoke to the originals?

I have no idea at all.

I have just learnt that there will n0 ZERO advance copies of this album sent to the press (me included). A 5 track sampler (2 re-records and 3 new studio cuts) is all that will be issued....so I'll only hear this record when the rest of you do.

So much for advance reviews

Not that I'd doubt your word...I have no more proof than the statement I make...and I don't doubt your word.. but I'm hearing differently.....and specifically, I'm hearing there will be a single from Revelations (Likely "Wildest Dream") to Radio (Here in the US) in the later part of May....but I have heard there will be no intentional press advance copies for the re-recordings... Thats from two people at Rock radio in two different major markets here stateside....take it for what it's worth.

[Red13JoePa]

No problem HappyValleyCamper.

I just meant that while SG had a valid opinion

He does have a va1id opinion, but the "sky is fa11ing " shit he's running about Reve1ation being abso1ute1y destroyed because of the content of disc 1 is over the top.

[Andrew]

Not that I'd doubt your word...I have no more proof than the statement I make...and I don't doubt your word.. but I'm hearing differently.....and specifically, I'm hearing there will be a single from Revelations (Likely "Wildest Dream") to Radio (Here in the US) in the later part of May....but I have heard there will be no intentional press advance copies for the re-recordings... Thats from two people at Rock radio in two different major markets here stateside....take it for what it's worth.

You mis-understand...there will be a single and a 5 track promo for any press that is interested. But the full CD will not be sent to anyone. And I do understand the need to keep a lid on this after the last 2 abums leaked.
However, I can't do a full feature review of a 22 track CD based on 5 tracks and I doubt anyone else will. Except Maxim Magazine that is

I'll have to do a review sometime after it is released and once I get to know it, but it won't be as big a review, as folks will already have it in their hands and won't need a big advance feature on it.