OT: RIKKI ROCKETT arrested on a rape warrant!

[scarygirl]

I'm going with "innocent until proven guilty" for this one...sad to see how some are primed and ready to crucify the guy before he's had a chance to defend himself.

;^)

I'm with you John~There are too many women out there using this ploy for money, revenge or whatever. It is not only sad for the men that MAY be innocent, but for the women that are TRULY raped!!! Not saying that this is the case.....let justice prevail (if that's possible).

No offense Michigan Girl, but every time I hear the words, TRULY raped I want to vomit. People have such a narrow definition of what a rape victim looks like that it almost always gives the perp a free pass. Just because people don't want to believe you doesnt make it true, and just because perps get off legally doesn't make them any less of a perp. Lots of these cases, if you can get a verdict at all are argued down to assault on a female which often is a far cry from what actually happened, a rape.

I have sat in on these rape exams. For them to have issued a warrant for his arrest, they must have some heavy evidence.

BTW, I'm not bitching at you. You're entitled to your opinion, and your cool with me. You Bon Jovi chick you...

[scarygirl]

Fortunately, in both cases I know about, the women retracted their stories, but it didn't change the ordeal these guys were forced to go through. The fact that women who falsely accuse men of these heinous acts are never charged with a crime is unconscionable, to me!

This isn't the same thing, but in cases where family members are accused sexual assualt often times teh child/teenage victim will recant the charges. Not because it didn't happen but because of family pressure. You know, you little crap, you're tearing apart the family that sort of thing. It's a heavy burden to bear.

Just some food for thought.

[The Sushi Hunter]

A strong arm rape? Never heard of one of those before. So what's the difference between a plain rape and the strong arm one?

Maybe excessive force?

I think that's exactly what it means. Here is a brief description of the different categories, described in a blog on prison rape of male inmates, though I'm sure the terms apply overall.

Based on my experience the most common kind of rape in prisons today is the confidence rape which involves the rapist getting the confidence of the victim and then at some point turning on him and raping him. In my opinion the next in frequency would be the date rape where one inmate convinces another to double cell with him and then at some point rapes him. The next would be extortion rape followed by drugging rape and finally strong arm rape. The reason strong arm rape is the least frequent is because it is so much easier to rape an inmate using the other techniques.

Not so sure but seems like a strong arm is in a class of it's own meaning what they call goings on in prison or on a pirate ship or something like that where there are no women victims in the equation. I would say that the date rape and confidence rape start out in a different aspect but eventually will turn into a strong arm rape, because there ain't know way this is going to be going down without putting some muscle into it. So this Rikki dude, did he rape a dude or something? If so, that could explain why he didn't choose the 30 some odd groupy chicks but instead elected the strong arm.

Wow, I go to prison for anything, I'll be watching out for that double cell invite!

[Rip Rokken]

Although being a "nice guy" means absolutely NOTHING, when it comes to one's pre-disposition to commit a crime, I'm with johnroxx on this one. I have personally known two guys who were falsely accused of rape, and it's a HORRENDOUS thing to be accused of. Fortunately, in both cases I know about, the women retracted their stories, but it didn't change the ordeal these guys were forced to go through. The fact that women who falsely accuse men of these heinous acts are never charged with a crime is unconscionable, to me!


John from Boston

Not only that, but when people are cleared of crimes, very little to nothing is done to help repair their reputations or the damage done from all the bad publicity. I knew a guy who was falsely accused of having child porn on his computer, and he ended up losing his law practice over it. 100% completely cleared. He'd taken it in to a Best Buy for repair, and one of the techs found 1 photo that some idiot had e-mailed his son as a joke (Rotten.com type of stuff) -- he wasn't even aware of it, and the tech turned it in to the police. Luckily he was well able to retire, but what starts as big headlines in the paper when one is accused turns to short blurbs on page 28D when they are cleared. A damn shame...

[Rip Rokken]

Wow, I go to prison for anything, I'll be watching out for that double cell invite!

A word of warning for ya, my friend. If you ever go to prison, the sushi ain't exactly the "catch of the day". Far from it... But in time you might become accustomed to it. It's probably an acquired taste! That's assuming you don't "clam up".

[Enigma869]

This isn't the same thing, but in cases where family members are accused sexual assualt often times teh child/teenage victim will recant the charges. Not because it didn't happen but because of family pressure. You know, you little crap, you're tearing apart the family that sort of thing. It's a heavy burden to bear.

Just some food for thought.

In the interest of full disclosure, I have a Criminal Justice degree and worked as a police officer for many years (before coming to the shocking revelation that I couldn't save the world on my own), so am VERY cognizant of what rape is. I am also acutely aware of the fact that some victims do indeed recant their stories, even though they were indeed victimized. I think I made it VERY clear that the cases I referred to were not such cases. I would NEVER, EVER, EVER trivialize the brutality ANY woman suffers, at the hands of some violent, control freak (i.e. rapist). I was simply making the point that just because someone is charged with a crime (any crime) doesn't mean they're guilty of said crime.

The brilliant state of Illinois was forced to release almost 20 people, who were actually on death row, because DNA evidence completely exonerated them from crimes that the state decided they should give their lives for! EVERY American should be mortified and outraged that this many men were condemned to die by a "jury of their peers", and were completely innocent of all charges. If this doesn't enlighten people and force them to pause (even if just for a second) when they hear that someone has been charged with a crime, then nothing will. I am stunned every time I hear of an arrest on the news and never hear one single person think for even just a moment that the person actually may not be guilty of what the charges are. Anyone who truly believes the Criminal Justice system in this country is flawless (or even close to it) has their head stuck in the sand, because it is flawed, beyond belief!


John from Boston

[scarygirl]

This isn't the same thing, but in cases where family members are accused sexual assualt often times teh child/teenage victim will recant the charges. Not because it didn't happen but because of family pressure. You know, you little crap, you're tearing apart the family that sort of thing. It's a heavy burden to bear.

Just some food for thought.

In the interest of full disclosure, I have a Criminal Justice degree and worked as a police officer for many years (before coming to the shocking revelation that I couldn't save the world on my own), so am VERY cognizant of what rape is. I am also acutely aware of the fact that some victims do indeed recant their stories, even though they were indeed victimized. I think I made it VERY clear that the cases I referred to were not such cases. I would NEVER, EVER, EVER trivialize the brutality ANY woman suffers, at the hands of some violent, control freak (i.e. rapist). I was simply making the point that just because someone is charged with a crime (any crime) doesn't mean they're guilty of said crime.

The brilliant state of Illinois was forced to release almost 20 people, who were actually on death row, because DNA evidence completely exonerated them from crimes that the state decided they should give their lives for! EVERY American should be mortified and outraged that this many men were condemned to die by a "jury of their peers", and were completely innocent of all charges. If this doesn't enlighten people and force them to pause (even if just for a second) when they hear that someone has been charged with a crime, then nothing will. I am stunned every time I hear of an arrest on the news and never hear one single person think for even just a moment that the person actually may not be guilty of what the charges are. Anyone who truly believes the Criminal Justice system in this country is flawless (or even close to it) has their head stuck in the sand, because it is flawed, beyond belief!


John from Boston

As to the first part, I never said you didn't. I do hate all the wrangling on and on about those poor innocent few, and the way the stories are used to discredit victims.

Mean while, the part of that story that is conveniently swept under the rug is that there was in fact a victim who remains in wait of justice.

hear of an arrest on the news and never hear one single person think for even just a moment that the person actually may not be guilty of what the charges are

This is where you are wrong. In cases of rape, it's the victims that are automatically thought to be lying sacks of scum. For perps they do everything, but throw pan cake breakfasts.

These statements are in ano way a dig at you, just my thoughts on reality.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Wow, I go to prison for anything, I'll be watching out for that double cell invite!

A word of warning for ya, my friend. If you ever go to prison, the sushi ain't exactly the "catch of the day". Far from it... But in time you might become accustomed to it. It's probably an acquired taste! That's assuming you don't "clam up".

That's pretty special Rip. I can say that ass clams are definitely not on my venue.

[pinkvelvet]

I met Rikki in the past, he seemed like a nice, down to earth guy. I find it odd that he would do something like that. I know he still get alot of pretty girls. His girlfriend infact is very pretty and so are his exes. I never heard anything bad about him before except for this.

[Rip Rokken]

A word of warning for ya, my friend. If you ever go to prison, the sushi ain't exactly the "catch of the day". Far from it... But in time you might become accustomed to it. It's probably an acquired taste! That's assuming you don't "clam up".

That's pretty special Rip. I can say that ass clams are definitely not on my venue.

Take 6-10 months of complete depravation, add a bellyfull of that homemade jailhouse swill, and the Alcatraz Roll just might become more appealing! Maybe some finger rolls as well!

[Michigan Girl]

I'm going with "innocent until proven guilty" for this one...sad to see how some are primed and ready to crucify the guy before he's had a chance to defend himself.

;^)

I'm with you John~There are too many women out there using this ploy for money, revenge or whatever. It is not only sad for the men that MAY be innocent, but for the women that are TRULY raped!!! Not saying that this is the case.....let justice prevail (if that's possible).

No offense Michigan Girl, but every time I hear the words, TRULY raped I want to vomit. People have such a narrow definition of what a rape victim looks like that it almost always gives the perp a free pass. Just because people don't want to believe you doesnt make it true, and just because perps get off legally doesn't make them any less of a perp. Lots of these cases, if you can get a verdict at all are argued down to assault on a female which often is a far cry from what actually happened, a rape.

I have sat in on these rape exams. For them to have issued a warrant for his arrest, they must have some heavy evidence.

BTW, I'm not bitching at you. You're entitled to your opinion, and your cool with me. You Bon Jovi chick you...

Maybe I should have used another term????? Here's an example~ A girl my daughter attended high school with cried rape. She nearly destroyed the reputation of her alleged attacker and it was all a lie to cover the fact that she got an STD from someone that she was willingly having sex with!! Funny though, her alleged attacker did not have the STD and when the police went into further questioning she caved, she didn't want her parents to know the identity of her REAL partner and that she had had sex willingly. Were charges filed against her? NO, but the poor boy suffered for a very long time. SAD, VERY SAD!!!
I did some volunteer work at the Rape Crisis Center....you can pretty much tell when it's REAL!!! Just saying it works BOTH ways and it's sad!! I know you feel very strongly about this, I do too!!! You are as COOL as they come!!!

[The Sushi Hunter]

A word of warning for ya, my friend. If you ever go to prison, the sushi ain't exactly the "catch of the day". Far from it... But in time you might become accustomed to it. It's probably an acquired taste! That's assuming you don't "clam up".

That's pretty special Rip. I can say that ass clams are definitely not on my venue.

Take 6-10 months of complete depravation, add a bellyfull of that homemade jailhouse swill, and the Alcatraz Roll just might become more appealing! Maybe some finger rolls as well!

Rip....your outragious man! Funny cause a good friend of mine who's a guitarist in a band in Japan is coming to visit me this week. We plan to go sightseeing on Alcatraz during his visit. I won't help but remember this thread while I'm there. Now I think we know why those three inmates ended up escaping Alcatraz long time ago. They wanted to get off the rock before the whole depravation thing kicked in. I know that would force me to dig a friggin escape hole all the way through a 10 inch cement wall with a table spoon to get away from.

[scarygirl]

I'm going with "innocent until proven guilty" for this one...sad to see how some are primed and ready to crucify the guy before he's had a chance to defend himself.

;^)

I'm with you John~There are too many women out there using this ploy for money, revenge or whatever. It is not only sad for the men that MAY be innocent, but for the women that are TRULY raped!!! Not saying that this is the case.....let justice prevail (if that's possible).

No offense Michigan Girl, but every time I hear the words, TRULY raped I want to vomit. People have such a narrow definition of what a rape victim looks like that it almost always gives the perp a free pass. Just because people don't want to believe you doesnt make it true, and just because perps get off legally doesn't make them any less of a perp. Lots of these cases, if you can get a verdict at all are argued down to assault on a female which often is a far cry from what actually happened, a rape.

I have sat in on these rape exams. For them to have issued a warrant for his arrest, they must have some heavy evidence.

BTW, I'm not bitching at you. You're entitled to your opinion, and your cool with me. You Bon Jovi chick you...

Maybe I should have used another term????? Here's an example~ A girl my daughter attended high school with cried rape. She nearly destroyed the reputation of her alleged attacker and it was all a lie to cover the fact that she got an STD from someone that she was willingly having sex with!! Funny though, her alleged attacker did not have the STD and when the police went into further questioning she caved, she didn't want her parents to know the identity of her REAL partner and that she had had sex willingly. Were charges filed against her? NO, but the poor boy suffered for a very long time. SAD, VERY SAD!!!
I did some volunteer work at the Rape Crisis Center....you can pretty much tell when it's REAL!!! Just saying it works BOTH ways and it's sad!! I know you feel very strongly about this, I do too!!! You are as COOL as they come!!!

No. You're COOL. Now don't argue now.

[Rip Rokken]

EXONERATED on all charges!!! Awesome! Hell, it wasn't even him in the first place, but someone posing as him...

Best of luck, Rikki!

http://knac.com/article.asp?ArticleID=6325

[Red13JoePa]

I met Rikki in the past, he seemed like a nice, down to earth guy. I find it odd that he would do something like that. I know he still get alot of pretty girls. His girlfriend infact is very pretty and so are his exes. I never heard anything bad about him before except for this.

Holy shit, somebody call the DA and get the charges dropped before we have a miscarriage of justice on our hands.
Based on this character witness, Rokkit COULDN'T have done it!

[ProgRocker53]

Glad he's cleared!!

[scarygirl]

EXONERATED on all charges!!! Awesome! Hell, it wasn't even him in the first place, but someone posing as him...

Best of luck, Rikki!

http://knac.com/article.asp?ArticleID=6325

That's awesome to hear. Sad for the victim, whoever he or she is. Hope they get their justice.

[Rip Rokken]

That's awesome to hear. Sad for the victim, whoever he or she is. Hope they get their justice.

The article gives the impression that the woman was in on the scam:

"I think it was a case where the woman and her husband unfortunately believed they could extort money from me and my band,” Rockett said

It's not written very clearly, but sounds as if she may have been coerced into screwing the imposter, then decided to go after the real Rikki. If that's the case, I have no sympathy for her. There is no cure for stupid.

[scarygirl]

That's awesome to hear. Sad for the victim, whoever he or she is. Hope they get their justice.

The article gives the impression that the woman was in on the scam:

"I think it was a case where the woman and her husband unfortunately believed they could extort money from me and my band,” Rockett said

It's not written very clearly, but sounds as if she may have been coerced into screwing the imposter, then decided to go after the real Rikki. If that's the case, I have no sympathy for her. There is no cure for stupid.

The person who impersonated Rockett has a history of sexual violence.

Had they done so, they would have found out that in 1996, John Minskoff claimed to have been involved with the rock band, Whitesnake, when he lured and kidnapped a 15-year-old girl in Reno, Nevada. Minskoff is a violent career criminal and felon and convicted perjurer with multiple convictions who has admitted to impersonating “rock stars” to sexually pursue women. "

Just because the wrong person was ID'd doesn't mean that there wasn't a crime perpetuated against this woman. All the coverage given to those few wrongly accused due to mistaken identity only to be freed later kills me because the articles down play the fact that a rape did in fact happen, they just haven't caught the true perpetrator.

Also, I haven't seen anything to suggest that this woman was seeking money. It really bothers me, this idea that rape victims are just after money, as if the sheer audacity of reporting the crime to police automatically makes them money hungry sluts. I never see this label applied to other types of crime victims.

Before someone screams state victim's compensation fund those monies are tightly controlled. You have to file charges, and the monies only go toward counseling, medical bills, and lost wages from being in court.

The legal system in matters of rape is ALWAYS stacked against the victim. The legal system doesn't always work. A not guilty verdict doesn't always mean NOT GUILTY just not enough evidence or even with evidence the defense lawyer did an excellent job of smearing the victim. But honestly, unless people have walked in those shoes they just don't understand. Societally we're just too wacked to care.

[scarygirl]

That's awesome to hear. Sad for the victim, whoever he or she is. Hope they get their justice.

The article gives the impression that the woman was in on the scam:

"I think it was a case where the woman and her husband unfortunately believed they could extort money from me and my band,” Rockett said

It's not written very clearly, but sounds as if she may have been coerced into screwing the imposter, then decided to go after the real Rikki. If that's the case, I have no sympathy for her. There is no cure for stupid.

Most state rape laws recognize that coercision is not the same as consent. Thus the charge of strong arm rape. Strong·-arm (strôŋ′ärm′)

adjective Informal using physical force or violence. You could also go further and use coercison. If you don't have sex with me, I'll be forced to do this, i.e. threats of physical harm, etc.

Lots of kids are coerced into performing sexual acts and they can't give consent.

As much as I'm happy that the Ricki was exonerated, his statement that the woman was just a money grubber doesn't make me think very highly of him. If she wasn't familiar with teh band, she could have very much thought, at least at that time that the person was who he said he was. And lets not forget that the person doing the impersonating had in fact committed a crime, and had done it before with VIOLENCE, so he's is indeed capable of said charges.