OT-How Long Have You Been Saved

[Sarah]

What would you call actions that would biologically lead to human extinction?

Uh, natural selection?

I was referring to homosexuality!

I feel quite confident stating that homosexuality will NEVER lead to human extinction. Don't be an idiot.

[StoneCold]

Scary? I'll tell you what's scary (and I'm a believer). What's scary is that there are literally hundreds of Christian denominations who claim to read the same Bible, yet disagree about it enough to have formed their own church.

That doesn't bother me all that much. Most denominations agree, for the most part, on the only really important issue, which is salvation by grace through faith in Christ. THAT'S what is really important.

But it's that human, selfish need to be "right" and have control that caused these rifts in the first place. That alone, letting your selfishness dictate your faith AND divide you from other believers, is scary.

I don't think it's so much being "right" as it is finding what you are most comfortable with. As conversationpc said, most denominations agree on the fundamental issue(s).

I will agree that any one denomination that says they are the ONLY RIGHT one, is probably not...

It seems Sally Kerns it speaking for all you Christians lately.

Who is Sally Kerns?

Here's a couple clips:

Ellen trying to call her
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBmCA4z8Yzc

News clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_y3-cku ... re=related

[FishinMagician]

What would you call actions that would biologically lead to human extinction?

Uh, natural selection?

I was referring to homosexuality!

I feel quite confident stating that homosexuality will NEVER lead to human extinction. Don't be an idiot.

ya. only a small fraction of people are gay so it wouldn't do anything in the lines of extinction.

and i call that nuclear warfare

[FishinMagician]

What would you call actions that would biologically lead to human extinction?

Uh, natural selection?

I was referring to homosexuality!

I feel quite confident stating that homosexuality will NEVER lead to human extinction. Don't be an idiot.

ya. only a small fraction of people are gay so it wouldn't do anything in the lines of extinction.

and i call that nuclear warfare

[Sarah]

ya. only a small fraction of people are gay so it wouldn't do anything in the lines of extinction.

and i call that nuclear warfare

Exactly on both points.

[RedWingFan]

What would you call actions that would biologically lead to human extinction?

Uh, natural selection?

I was referring to homosexuality!

I feel quite confident stating that homosexuality will NEVER lead to human extinction. Don't be an idiot.

My point was if everyone was homosexual it absolutely would. Just painting with a broad brush like he was with Christians, that's all.

[Don]

I believe as Einstein believed. There is a creator but it is beyond our present capability to conceive of him. As children create stories so did early man to explain the nature of life. There is nothing wrong with faith but I can't believe in talking serpents and the earth being only 12,000 years old. The universe is so huge and marvelous and for man to have the arrogance to believe he understands it all and to put it in a nice tidy package called the bible is beyond me. If we can ever evolve enough to use perhaps 50 percent or more of our brain maybe then we can have a clearer picture of the true creator of all of this.

[Ren]

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

[piecesofeight]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q2zSNOWpI9s

[Just Sara]

I kept an open mind to what I was learning in church and youth group, and ended up getting saved a month later. I'd rather live my life having hope, even if it ends up being false, that I'm going to Heaven after I die thanks to Jesus; than live my whole life thinking I'll end up wormfood.

Well said

[Majestic]

I believe as Einstein believed. There is a creator but it is beyond our present capability to conceive of him. As children create stories so did early man to explain the nature of life. There is nothing wrong with faith but I can't believe in talking serpents and the earth being only 12,000 years old. The universe is so huge and marvelous and for man to have the arrogance to believe he understands it all and to put it in a nice tidy package called the bible is beyond me. If we can ever evolve enough to use perhaps 50 percent or more of our brain maybe then we can have a clearer picture of the true creator of all of this.

Hi Gunboat,

You know, not only Einstein believed that, because this is also the view held in my faith. God is something which not comprehensible to man, or in Baha'i terminology is the "unknowable essence" who we call God, Yahweh, Khoda, Allah, etc., etc., Your points about talking serpents and the earth being 12,000 years old are good ones. However, it is possible to approach religious works, such as the Bible, with a less literal approach and arrive at meanings that have primarily symbolic and spiritual meanings that do not contradict scientific fact.

I like what you say about having a "true picture" of the creator. Ultimately such a picture is impossible, yet to get the best approximation, I think both spiritual and religious knowledge, as well as practical physical knowledge such as science, are required. Reality and truth are one, however to discover what that reality is requires science and religion, since both, when used appropriately, are compliments of each other, each shedding light on a different aspect of reality.

[Monker]

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Just as long as everybody understands that his name is NOT Steve Perry.

[conversationpc]

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Just as long as everybody understands that his name is NOT Steve Perry.

Well, according to Herbie, Perry has more money than God, so perhaps Steve purchased God's name?

[Ren]

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Just as long as everybody understands that his name is NOT Steve Perry.

Well, according to Herbie, Perry has more money than God, so perhaps Steve purchased God's name?

So Steve Perry is NOT the Son of God? Many people on this site will dispute that.

[BobbyinTN]

I think extreme religious beliefs is a mental disorder.

What would you call actions that would biologically lead to human extinction?

Uh, natural selection?

I was referring to homosexuality!

Yeah, bigot much?

[Moon Beam]

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Just as long as everybody understands that his name is NOT Steve Perry.

Good one Mr Monker

[Ren]

I think extreme religious beliefs is a mental disorder.

What would you call actions that would biologically lead to human extinction?

Uh, natural selection?

I was referring to homosexuality!

Yeah, bigot much?

Bobby, just curious...
are you a man or a woman.

[Ren]

The Lord Loves Everyone! Even John from Boston!

[BobbyinTN]

I think extreme religious beliefs is a mental disorder.

What would you call actions that would biologically lead to human extinction?

Uh, natural selection?

I was referring to homosexuality!

Yeah, bigot much?

Bobby, just curious...
are you a man or a woman.

Check the link to find out.

[Ren]

I think extreme religious beliefs is a mental disorder.

What would you call actions that would biologically lead to human extinction?

Uh, natural selection?

I was referring to homosexuality!

Yeah, bigot much?

Bobby, just curious...
are you a man or a woman.

Check the link to find out.

nah, you just seem so opinionated...I was just wondering. If you don't wish to answer me, whatever.

[BobbyinTN]

I think extreme religious beliefs is a mental disorder.

What would you call actions that would biologically lead to human extinction?

Uh, natural selection?

I was referring to homosexuality!

Yeah, bigot much?

Bobby, just curious...
are you a man or a woman.

Check the link to find out.

nah, you just seem so opinionated...I was just wondering. If you don't wish to answer me, whatever.

Opinionated? Well, I thought men and women were opinionated.
I'm a man. The feminine spelling of Bobby is Bobbie.

[Ren]

Opinionated? Well, I thought men and women were opinionated.
I'm a man. The feminine spelling of Bobby is Bobbie.

Gotcha

[tammy]

It's all complex. I could write a book on the long & winding road I've been on regarding faith & belief. Introduced to the concept of salvation at age 9 & I clung to that hope & my Bible for years when my childhood was rocky, sad & insecure. How many 10 yr olds ask for a Bible for their birthday when you only get one gift? lol. Then crazy, frightening experience with a fire & brimstone church as a teen...then, the experience that changed the course of my life & thinking at 22 when I learned that God was the opposite of angry & vengeful...and Jesus, wow, I'd like to hang out with such an accepting loving person! Believe it or not this experience is tied in with Journey/SP! Unfortunately, that is when I abandoned secular music for a long time & subsequently forgot about Journey until '04. But, still I have a difficult time accepting everything preached or written in the Bible...I think if other people find peace & happiness in their religions/beliefs whatever it is than that is a good thing. What is the most important is to try to live upright & not hurt others. I haven't been a church goer for years - it's fine if others need or want that & I may or may not go again, but I don't ever want to fall into the trap of thinking "our way is the right way & you're wrong"...I'm even married to an atheist!
I do find it incredibly hard to understand the horrible events & things that happen to people, especially innocent people, children. I think I was born with a big question mark over me...I have spent lots & lots of time pondering over the years. I still don't get where the dinosaurs fit in?! lol.
What finally made some sense to me was coming across a book called, "Embraced by the Light" by Bettie Eadie sometime after 9/11. She had a life after death experience (she says) & so many of the things she described seemed as if I had already known this...it made some sense. That we exist before we come here on Earth to learn & experience...to grow. That everyone is on a different track & we shouldn't condemn others. I'm not saying I get it all, but it gave me hope at that time when the world was shaken.

It's all a learning process. Science is fascinating, the Universe, humans...when I had a frightening severe allergic reaction to an injection and losing consciousness the thought came to me in that terror "we belong to the Universe". And, that's it. We consist of the material from the stars, don't we?

G'night.

[Ren]

My shield is with God, who saves the upright in heart. God is a righteous judge, and a God who has indignation every day. If a man does not repent, God will whet his sword; he has bent and strung his bow; he has prepared his deadly weapons, making his arrows fiery shafts. Behold, the wicked man conceives evil, and is pregnant with mischief, and brings forth lies. He makes a pit, digging it out, and falls into the hole which he has made. His mischief returns upon his own head, and on his own pate his violence descends. I will give to the LORD the thanks due to his righteousness, and I will sing praise to the name of the LORD, the Most High.

[BobbyinTN]

My shield is with God, who saves the upright in heart. God is a righteous judge, and a God who has indignation every day. If a man does not repent, God will whet his sword; he has bent and strung his bow; he has prepared his deadly weapons, making his arrows fiery shafts. Behold, the wicked man conceives evil, and is pregnant with mischief, and brings forth lies. He makes a pit, digging it out, and falls into the hole which he has made. His mischief returns upon his own head, and on his own pate his violence descends. I will give to the LORD the thanks due to his righteousness, and I will sing praise to the name of the LORD, the Most High.

I think you need to learn God isn't human. If there is a "God", He/She is not thinking as you do, behaving as you do and hating the same people you do.

That's the mistake you people make, putting all those human traits on something that isn't human.

Maybe it's a way to reconcile you're own shortcomings.

Get your head out of the bible and go out and experience God instead of just reading about God.

[Ren]

I think you need to learn God isn't human. If there is a "God", He/She is not thinking as you do, behaving as you do and hating the same people you do.

That's the mistake you people make, putting all those human traits on something that isn't human.

Maybe it's a way to reconcile you're own shortcomings.

Get your head out of the bible and go out and experience God instead of just reading about God.

Um..."you people"?

OK...not sure what "you people" means, but I am interested in what you seem to know about God. I need to learn that God isn't human? I'm pretty sure I could figure that out myself Bubba.

Hating the same people as I do? I'm sorry, maybe I am missing something here...did I indicate that I hate someone? Didn't think so.

Lastly, you say get my head out of the bible and go experience God. Well, Einstein, perhaps you can tell me where God is so I can go "experience" him/her.

Please, enlighten me your greatness!

[conversationpc]

Lastly, you say get my head out of the bible and go experience God. Well, Einstein, perhaps you can tell me where God is so I can go "experience" him/her.

Don't you know that it's now politically incorrect to believe in Jesus as the only way to God (even though he claimed this) and that the Bible is God's revelation to mankind?

[Ren]

Lastly, you say get my head out of the bible and go experience God. Well, Einstein, perhaps you can tell me where God is so I can go "experience" him/her.

Don't you know that it's now politically incorrect to believe in Jesus as the only way to God (even though he claimed this) and that the Bible is God's revelation to mankind?

[HERO]

Why is it that the mere mention of religion forces so many of the mentally challenged to float to the top at the shallow end of the gene pool?

[Ren]

Why is it that the mere mention of religion forces so many of the mentally challenged to float to the top at the shallow end of the gene pool?

Amazing...isn't it?