OT-How Long Have You Been Saved

[HERO]

I am a quick learner. Mere mortals are not ready for the truth. They can't handle it. Far better to believe in magic, and childish delusions than actually face reality.

Are you mortal or alien?

Who in their right mind would be proud to be classed a human? Their record throughout history is hardly one to be proud of.

So you must be an alien. What planet do you hail from?

I'm ashamed to confess that it is Earth. Don't tell anyone.

[Ren]

Hero..I must say that I like your avatar.

I real a great friendship blooming here.
Robert Powell is one of my favourite actors. Your taste is obviously on a par with mine.

He was the greatest cinematic Jesus of all time. Not even close!

[tammy]

You know what... I live with one of the most convincing atheists on the planet. He is brilliant at arguing against God. Unfortunately for him, I am devoid of influence one way or the other. I believe what I believe, and it is in a God, but I am anti-religion to the core. I adamantly refuse to follow any doctrine.

Can you move?

Nah, I wouldn't trade our heated debates on philosophy for anything. He's a good dude.

That sounds like my husband. He loves to debate - very intelligent, reads everything, but he has his beliefs (more scientific) & I have mine. We don't argue over them - in fact, it is very enlightening. I keep an open mind, ask questions & found a lot of things made sense in various "religions/cultures" that I studied in college...I enjoy seeing other perspectives...makes one well-rounded. Even if I had the time (which I don't taking care of two little kids, one a major challenge with classic autism) and read tons of books on everything related to science/evolution & creation, how much of it would I understand? I have a limited brain (and it feels worse as I age & deal with kiddie stuff)...I could go around & around in circles & still be confused...so, I had to look within, look to the sky & nature & ask, "are you there?" Somehow the "knowing" is there & that is what I call faith.
Anyone see the movie, "Contact" with Jodie Foster years ago? She was the scientist/astronomer & the other guy was the religious one...but, in the end neither could fully explain & have people believe what they experienced...because it was their OWN experience. And, ultimately science & faith both led to the same place.
Did what I wrote even make sense? Gotta go..my kiddo is calling me to dunk her Ariel doll into water now.

[Ren]

I'm ashamed to confess that it is Earth. Don't tell anyone.

ehh...we all have our crosses to bear....lol

[Since 78]

There's a lot to be proud of being a human, too... wow, you are one bitter and sad individual.

I prefer the term "realist". No wonder my fellow travellers prefer not to see the truth. It isn't that pleasant.

You're Tom Cruise, aren't you?

[HERO]

L. Ron was the master manipulator!

He is just one in a long line of maniputators of the gullible. The flock truly are as wise as sheep.

[HERO]

Hero..I must say that I like your avatar.

I real a great friendship blooming here.
Robert Powell is one of my favourite actors. Your taste is obviously on a par with mine.

He was the greatest cinematic Jesus of all time. Not even close!

That he was. And one of the funniest policemen too.

[HERO]

You know what... I live with one of the most convincing atheists on the planet. He is brilliant at arguing against God. Unfortunately for him, I am devoid of influence one way or the other. I believe what I believe, and it is in a God, but I am anti-religion to the core. I adamantly refuse to follow any doctrine.

Can you move?

Nah, I wouldn't trade our heated debates on philosophy for anything. He's a good dude.

That sounds like my husband. He loves to debate - very intelligent, reads everything, but he has his beliefs (more scientific) & I have mine. We don't argue over them - in fact, it is very enlightening. I keep an open mind, ask questions & found a lot of things made sense in various "religions/cultures" that I studied in college...I enjoy seeing other perspectives...makes one well-rounded. Even if I had the time (which I don't taking care of two little kids, one a major challenge with classic autism) and read tons of books on everything related to science/evolution & creation, how much of it would I understand? I have a limited brain (and it feels worse as I age & deal with kiddie stuff)...I could go around & around in circles & still be confused...so, I had to look within, look to the sky & nature & ask, "are you there?" Somehow the "knowing" is there & that is what I call faith.
Anyone see the movie, "Contact" with Jodie Foster years ago? She was the scientist/astronomer & the other guy was the religious one...but, in the end neither could fully explain & have people believe what they experienced...because it was their OWN experience. And, ultimately science & faith both led to the same place.
Did what I wrote even make sense? Gotta go..my kiddo is calling me to dunk her Ariel doll into water now.

Yes, it did make sense. And the book "Contact" was written by Carl Sagan, a scientist and a gentleman. I miss him.

[HERO]

I'm ashamed to confess that it is Earth. Don't tell anyone.

ehh...we all have our crosses to bear....lol

Too funny. You rock!

[conversationpc]

Proof for the Bible and Christianity? Very amusing. I do not doubt that the Bible exists, and as a work of fiction it is very entertaining. Whether you consider such a heavily edited and biased tome as worthy of such adoration is questionable. As a factual history, even less so. Once you have read the Gospels of Judas and Mary (yes a woman!), come back to me. Your comments prove my case rather than refute it. The zealots have closed minds.

This sounds like fertile ground for a good debate at some point.

[Karma]

L. Ron was the master manipulator!

One among many.

Hero, you don't think the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Father Christmas are all fakes too? Please say it isn't so!

Don't forget the Gospel of Thomas.

And of course one must remember the Bible is written by men and we all know how they stretch the truth. Just watch them describe the length of the fish they caught or the size of their.........................

[HERO]

L. Ron was the master manipulator!

One among many.

Hero, you don't think the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Father Christmas are all fakes too? Please say it isn't so!

Don't forget the Gospel of Thomas.

And of course one must remember the Bible is written by men and we all know how they stretch the truth. Just watch them describe the length of the fish they caught or the size of their.........................

Allow me to set your mind at ease. The Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and Santa are all as real as god.

Personally I doubt that there is a Gospel of Thomas. LOL

[HERO]

L. Ron was the master manipulator!

One among many.

Hero, you don't think the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Father Christmas are all fakes too? Please say it isn't so!

Don't forget the Gospel of Thomas.

And of course one must remember the Bible is written by men and we all know how they stretch the truth. Just watch them describe the length of the fish they caught or the size of their.........................

It has been my experience that the female of the species is the one prone to exaggerate the truth, the truth being a concept almost alien to them. Are you trying to tell me that women can write? Only with crayons surely? A Hero doesn't need to exaggerate about size.

[Karma]

Women exaggerate? Men are still telling their fishing tales 2,000 years later. I shall concede there are some women who exaggerate. For example ones on some forums who envision things larger than they appear.

[HERO]

Women exaggerate? Men are still telling their fishing tales 2,000 years later. I shall concede there are some women who exaggerate. For example ones on some forums who envision things larger than they appear.

You have a good memory, especially for your age. It isn't often that we are blessed with an eye witness. I do believe that I know those "ladies" of which you speak.

[BobbyinTN]

There's been alot of proof against the Bible and Christianity.

....Yet, there's also been proof FOR the Bible and Christianity.

There are plenty of extremely religious folk out there who know a good deal about religion, and to suggest that they all have closed minds is moronic.

I forget the name of the guy, but I read his book... an atheist set out to prove the Bible wrong, and that was his mission. However, along the way he picked up more proof in favor of God and the Bible, than against it, and as he did his research he converted himself to Christianity. I believe the guy wrote the "The Case For...." series but I could be mistaken.

Besides.. I've said it before, and I'll say it again... I'll take the chance that Christianity may be false, over living my entire life pessimistically and thinking I'll turn to dirt in the end.

The human soul and body are MAJESTIC things.. there's no way, I think, that we'll just fade away in the end.

Proof for the Bible and Christianity? Very amusing. I do not doubt that the Bible exists, and as a work of fiction it is very entertaining. Whether you consider such a heavily edited and biased tome as worthy of such adoration is questionable. As a factual history, even less so. Once you have read the Gospels of Judas and Mary (yes a woman!), come back to me. Your comments prove my case rather than refute it. The zealots have closed minds.

As for your last comment, history proves otherwise. All creatures become extinct in the end. Look at the evidence, it is there.

You ARE a hero. Great post.

[HERO]

There's been alot of proof against the Bible and Christianity.

....Yet, there's also been proof FOR the Bible and Christianity.

There are plenty of extremely religious folk out there who know a good deal about religion, and to suggest that they all have closed minds is moronic.

I forget the name of the guy, but I read his book... an atheist set out to prove the Bible wrong, and that was his mission. However, along the way he picked up more proof in favor of God and the Bible, than against it, and as he did his research he converted himself to Christianity. I believe the guy wrote the "The Case For...." series but I could be mistaken.

Besides.. I've said it before, and I'll say it again... I'll take the chance that Christianity may be false, over living my entire life pessimistically and thinking I'll turn to dirt in the end.

The human soul and body are MAJESTIC things.. there's no way, I think, that we'll just fade away in the end.

Proof for the Bible and Christianity? Very amusing. I do not doubt that the Bible exists, and as a work of fiction it is very entertaining. Whether you consider such a heavily edited and biased tome as worthy of such adoration is questionable. As a factual history, even less so. Once you have read the Gospels of Judas and Mary (yes a woman!), come back to me. Your comments prove my case rather than refute it. The zealots have closed minds.

As for your last comment, history proves otherwise. All creatures become extinct in the end. Look at the evidence, it is there.

You ARE a hero. Great post.

Thank you. You are too kind.

[Karma]

Women exaggerate? Men are still telling their fishing tales 2,000 years later. I shall concede there are some women who exaggerate. For example ones on some forums who envision things larger than they appear.

You have a good memory, especially for your age. It isn't often that we are blessed with an eye witness. I do believe that I know those "ladies" of which you speak.

If I truly am as old as you are implying that would leave my word as the most accurate. Shall we start with Genesis or would you prefer one of the omitted Gospels? This could be fun.

[HERO]

Women exaggerate? Men are still telling their fishing tales 2,000 years later. I shall concede there are some women who exaggerate. For example ones on some forums who envision things larger than they appear.

You have a good memory, especially for your age. It isn't often that we are blessed with an eye witness. I do believe that I know those "ladies" of which you speak.

If I truly am as old as you are implying that would leave my word as the most accurate. Shall we start with Genesis or would you prefer one of the omitted Gospels? This could be fun.

We all know that the mind tends to wander with age. I'll make allowance for you, fear not, my geriatric chum.
If the truth be told, I've never been a fan of Genesis, especially during the Peter Gabriel era.

[Moose]

I am truly amazed how long this thread has lasted.

[HERO]

I am truly amazed how long this thread has lasted.

I'm just getting warmed up.

[Moose]

I am truly amazed how long this thread has lasted.

I'm just getting warmed up.

Your avatar has a nice summer tint to it. The green works for me. Really

[ProgRocker53]

Women exaggerate? Men are still telling their fishing tales 2,000 years later. I shall concede there are some women who exaggerate. For example ones on some forums who envision things larger than they appear.

You have a good memory, especially for your age. It isn't often that we are blessed with an eye witness. I do believe that I know those "ladies" of which you speak.

If I truly am as old as you are implying that would leave my word as the most accurate. Shall we start with Genesis or would you prefer one of the omitted Gospels? This could be fun.

We all know that the mind tends to wander with age. I'll make allowance for you, fear not, my geriatric chum.
If the truth be told, I've never been a fan of Genesis, especially during the Peter Gabriel era.

Peter Gabriel era is the best Genesis.

[HERO]

Women exaggerate? Men are still telling their fishing tales 2,000 years later. I shall concede there are some women who exaggerate. For example ones on some forums who envision things larger than they appear.

You have a good memory, especially for your age. It isn't often that we are blessed with an eye witness. I do believe that I know those "ladies" of which you speak.

If I truly am as old as you are implying that would leave my word as the most accurate. Shall we start with Genesis or would you prefer one of the omitted Gospels? This could be fun.

We all know that the mind tends to wander with age. I'll make allowance for you, fear not, my geriatric chum.
If the truth be told, I've never been a fan of Genesis, especially during the Peter Gabriel era.

Peter Gabriel era is the best Genesis.

There you go with that humour again. It is a gift, I like it.

[Saint John]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JNGitAxoQo

[Moose]

Women exaggerate? Men are still telling their fishing tales 2,000 years later. I shall concede there are some women who exaggerate. For example ones on some forums who envision things larger than they appear.

You have a good memory, especially for your age. It isn't often that we are blessed with an eye witness. I do believe that I know those "ladies" of which you speak.

If I truly am as old as you are implying that would leave my word as the most accurate. Shall we start with Genesis or would you prefer one of the omitted Gospels? This could be fun.

We all know that the mind tends to wander with age. I'll make allowance for you, fear not, my geriatric chum.
If the truth be told, I've never been a fan of Genesis, especially during the Peter Gabriel era.

Peter Gabriel era is the best Genesis.

Dude...........are you fucking kidding? Come on!

[ProgRocker53]

Women exaggerate? Men are still telling their fishing tales 2,000 years later. I shall concede there are some women who exaggerate. For example ones on some forums who envision things larger than they appear.

You have a good memory, especially for your age. It isn't often that we are blessed with an eye witness. I do believe that I know those "ladies" of which you speak.

If I truly am as old as you are implying that would leave my word as the most accurate. Shall we start with Genesis or would you prefer one of the omitted Gospels? This could be fun.

We all know that the mind tends to wander with age. I'll make allowance for you, fear not, my geriatric chum.
If the truth be told, I've never been a fan of Genesis, especially during the Peter Gabriel era.

Peter Gabriel era is the best Genesis.

Dude...........are you fucking kidding? Come on!

Nope. Collins-fronted era is decent, especially the first couple albums of that time, but from the time they became a trio on forward is by far their worst output. Still good music though.

[Andrew]

I am truly amazed how long this thread has lasted.

You and me both!

I keep waiting for the Armaggedon (pardon the pun).

Keep up the good work folks...

[Since 78]

Women exaggerate? Men are still telling their fishing tales 2,000 years later. I shall concede there are some women who exaggerate. For example ones on some forums who envision things larger than they appear.

You have a good memory, especially for your age. It isn't often that we are blessed with an eye witness. I do believe that I know those "ladies" of which you speak.

If I truly am as old as you are implying that would leave my word as the most accurate. Shall we start with Genesis or would you prefer one of the omitted Gospels? This could be fun.

We all know that the mind tends to wander with age. I'll make allowance for you, fear not, my geriatric chum.
If the truth be told, I've never been a fan of Genesis, especially during the Peter Gabriel era.

Peter Gabriel era is the best Genesis.

Dude...........are you fucking kidding? Come on!

Nope. Collins-fronted era is decent, especially the first couple albums of that time, but from the time they became a trio on forward is by far their worst output. Still good music though.

Hey Prog, I think this is the first time I have to disagree with you, Genesis with Collins is the best IMO

[ProgRocker53]

Women exaggerate? Men are still telling their fishing tales 2,000 years later. I shall concede there are some women who exaggerate. For example ones on some forums who envision things larger than they appear.

You have a good memory, especially for your age. It isn't often that we are blessed with an eye witness. I do believe that I know those "ladies" of which you speak.

If I truly am as old as you are implying that would leave my word as the most accurate. Shall we start with Genesis or would you prefer one of the omitted Gospels? This could be fun.

We all know that the mind tends to wander with age. I'll make allowance for you, fear not, my geriatric chum.
If the truth be told, I've never been a fan of Genesis, especially during the Peter Gabriel era.

Peter Gabriel era is the best Genesis.

Dude...........are you fucking kidding? Come on!

Nope. Collins-fronted era is decent, especially the first couple albums of that time, but from the time they became a trio on forward is by far their worst output. Still good music though.

Hey Prog, I think this is the first time I have to disagree with you, Genesis with Collins is the best IMO

I agree. One could argue Phil Collins IS Genesis. After all, has there even been a Genesis without him?