Report to show Saddam transferred WMDs to Syria

[The_Noble_Cause]

well...everything is connected somehow and to mock the military is just plain rude when there are many many people
on this site that have served.

And there might very well be more here than you think, they just don't wear it on their sleave to shamelessly tug at the heartstrings of every Tom, Dick, and Harry that happens to come along.

I had no idea of your background until tonight. Why would I? Get over yourself.
Even with that said, noone here mocked the military.

However, after seeing you use your military service in the same way Bush uses banners (as cheap political props) I can't say that I do particularly respect you. Sounds to me like you gave to your country for all the wrong reasons.

[Andrew]

Boy this thread is getting more personal among regulars here. I can smell Andrew is going to lock this up...BTW, the only good thing George Bush did on his presidency is giving us the stimulus package this coming May.

Correct.

Careful folks....keep it civil.

[SteveForever]

well...everything is connected somehow and to mock the military is just plain rude when there are many many people
on this site that have served.

And there might very well be more here than you think, they just don't wear it on their sleave to shamelessly tug at the heartstrings of every Tom, Dick, and Harry that happens to come along.

I had no idea of your background until tonight. Why would I? Get over yourself.
Even with that said, noone here mocked the military.

However, after seeing you use your military service in the same way Bush uses banners (as cheap political props) I can't say that I do particularly respect you. Sounds to me like you gave to your country for all the wrong reasons.

You win! Congratulations !!!!!
I guess the guitar players/musicians on here and everyone else that has some kind
of knowledge about a situation are doing it for ALL the wrong reasons too.
Keep editing your posts too, how many times did you edit that last one?
make sure you get just the exact words you want to use big guy. I don't wear anything,
but I will correct a lie when I see bullshit.

[STORY_TELLER]

...ahem...

Did I mention that Israel issued a warning that Sadaam had transferred the WMD's to Syria prior to the US invasion of Iraq?

I saw it on CBS news years ago. Very little was mentioned about it at the time. Most news outlets didn't cover it and CBS never revisited the story. Just reposting it here because it seemed to get swept under the rug of the polarized political's postings. This isn't some new story guys, you're just hearing about it now because the media didn't give it enough attention when Israel said it the first time, YEARS ago.

[StoneCold]

Bush lied. People Died.
Bush was behind 9/11.
There were no WMD.
Blah, Blah, Blah...

If you say something often enough, you begin to believe it.

We are at war. Like it or not. How did we get there? At this point it doesn't much matter. We're there.

The surge has worked. Iraqis are taking more and more responsibility for their own protection.

It saddens me that some are so invested in bring right about showing Bush/Cheney lied, blah, blah blah, ad nauseum, that they are hopeful that the US loses in Iraq just to prove their point.

I believe that mistakes have been made. George Washington made them, Lincoln made them, Roosevelt made them, Kennedy made them, Johnson made them, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush. It doesn't mean that the intent was EVIL.

History will show that though difficult and mistakes were made, this was in the long run the right thing to do. The blame America first crowd will also be shown as the political cowards they are.

If I may "JourneyFry" your Haiku.

Schon lied, people cried.
Perry was behind '97.
There was no hip slip.
And they didn't lip.
Blah, Blah, Blah...

Mistakes were made.
Schon made them.
Augeri made them.

It doesn't mean they intended to be LIVE, I mean EVIL.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You win! Congratulations !!!!!
I guess the guitar players/musicians on here and everyone else that has some kind
of knowledge about a situation are doing it for ALL the wrong reasons too.

You wanted to be singled out and recognized for your military bonafides throughout this thread, as if me or Deano should somehow stand in awe and shower you with praise. You join the army for god and country, not self-seeking vanity. Unless you have the complexion of a deep fried turkey as the result of a roadside bomb mishap (and that's a big *IF*), you get nothing from me. I have no idea how anyone (online or off) is expected to automatically assume you served your country.

In fact, I call bullshit on the whole thing...I have my suspicions that you are actually Susie.

Keep editing your posts too, how many times did you edit that last one?
make sure you get just the exact words you want to use big guy.

This is a text-based forum. Words are the coin of the realm here. Excuse me if I want to as accurately convey my thoughts as possible, given the limits of the medium.

I have never said this was not scripted, but that sign was not a plant.
It was going to be up there no matter if the President came out to the ship or not, its words were not his idea, nor was the sign itself.

And since when is the President responsible for PR decisions?
After all, it was Rove who was placed in charge of the marketing arm of the White House whose purpose was to sell the 2003 invasion.

...and he could
have flown straight into the water-.

Umm..not sure how to break this to you, dear virginia, but Bush wasn't really the guy manning the controls of that aircraft.

[The_Noble_Cause]

...ahem...

Did I mention that Israel issued a warning that Sadaam had transferred the WMD's to Syria prior to the US invasion of Iraq?

I saw it on CBS news years ago. Very little was mentioned about it at the time. Most news outlets didn't cover it and CBS never revisited the story. Just reposting it here because it seemed to get swept under the rug of the polarized political's postings. This isn't some new story guys, you're just hearing about it now because the media didn't give it enough attention when Israel said it the first time, YEARS ago.

Question is, why didn't the US government push this story? In the lead up to war they had every media outlet at their fingertips and doing their bidding.
Including that purported bastion of liberalism, the NY Times.

[STORY_TELLER]

...ahem...

Did I mention that Israel issued a warning that Sadaam had transferred the WMD's to Syria prior to the US invasion of Iraq?

I saw it on CBS news years ago. Very little was mentioned about it at the time. Most news outlets didn't cover it and CBS never revisited the story. Just reposting it here because it seemed to get swept under the rug of the polarized political's postings. This isn't some new story guys, you're just hearing about it now because the media didn't give it enough attention when Israel said it the first time, YEARS ago.

Question is, why didn't the US government push this story? In the lead up to war they had every media outlet at their fingertips and doing their bidding.
Including that purported bastion of liberalism, the NY Times.

What was the point? Those who didn't want an invasion weren't going to listen. If someone has their mind made up and the actions being suggested fly in the face of their personal politics, no amount of evidence is going to change their mind.

If I had to guess? Bush administration knew there was WMD's, knew they were moved to Syria (when Israel originally said they were), but opted to go ahead with the invasion to

1) not allow Sadaam to get away with the tactic.
2) stop him from being able to make more in the future.
3) put pressure on a nuclear arms seeking Iran by having a military presence on two of its borders.
4) attempt to install democracy in a country (and a people) that wasn't ready for it, thinking it would have a domino affect on the rest of the region's dictators.

The problem with the choices of the Bush administration is they're ideologues. They ignored the tribal divisions in Iraq, foolishly believing the religious Shite majority would suddenly unite with the secular Sunni minority (who had been oppressing them for decades) and accept majority rules as a way of life. Never happen.

Bush should have concentrated on Afghanistan. It was a mistake to invade Iraq because it has emboldened Iran, who was and still is the real threat in the region.

[The_Noble_Cause]

What was the point? Those who didn't want an invasion weren't going to listen. If someone has their mind made up and the actions being suggested fly in the face of their personal politics, no amount of evidence is going to change their mind.

This casual attitude does not comport with the administrations actions - especially not their anything-that-sticks approach in the lead up to war. They were so desperate to make their case that they were inserting bad intel back into speeches after it already been pulled out.
Before going to the UN, Powell had to stay up excising all the obvious falsehoods from his presentation and he was still left with total garbage.
White House insiders were feeding secrets to the NY Times and then Cheney and Rice would go on the Sunday talk shows and quote their very own planted sources in the NY Times as proof for war rationale.
After all these desperate contortionist measures, you mean to tell me Bush would let an actual "slamdunk" pass him by?

I just don't buy it.

[JrnySuxBalls]

On 9/11, while Charlie Daniels was singing about freedom on Fox News, Cheney and Bush were already talking about IRAQ.

Oh by the way, ever notice how on most topics involving issues affecting working people, Bush stammers and stumbles on his words. When it's WAR, he speaks totally clear and on point. Check it out sometime.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Israel reported about this transfer prior to the invasion. News outlets didn't give it enough coverage. I remember seeing a few scattered media reports at the time, and scratching my head in wonderment as to why it wasn't given more attention.

The reason that these things are being talked about now is becuse Israeli Syrian tensions are at the highest level since July 06 - Worringly, there is a very good chance of a Syrian Israeli war this summer - some of the backgound-

-The report into the assassination of Mughniyeh (from Lebanese PM ) is being delayed but will be released- little doubt that Syrian backed elements in Lebanon was involved but was it at Assads direction? There is all sorts of intenal stife in Syria about this report. From Assad's perspective, tensions with Isreal would unite the country , and kill dissent
-Israel attacked a missile factory which North Korea was helping Syria build in July last year. (This wasnt widely reported). All sorts of questions remain in the mind of the israelis- is it being rebuilt, what if there are these WMD in Syria which can be used to tip any missiles?
-There is internal dissent in Israel about what to do about the Hizbollah in southern lebanon- Isreal's govt is under heavy fire for not dealing with the issue in 06 . Any action on the part of Isreal in S. Leabanon will get Syria fired up and kick off the war
-Both the Israeli and Syrian miitary are on high alert, expecting something to happen.

Could be a bad summer over there. The weapons story is coming out know because all of the above factors and resulting consequences will bring the story out anyway- before this there was nothing forcing the story out and no reason to publicise it.

[Behshad]

3 pages and no comments from conversationDave!???

Here's something to lighten up the mood in this thread ,,.,, yes its off topic, but I think we all need to chill down,,,, and what helps you better to chill down than a nice workin AC in your vehicle......

How to Check Your Car's Air Conditioner



1. Roll up the windows.
2. Turn the A/C on Hi.






3. Put the tester in the car.
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Yep--it's working good!

[johnroxx]

Wow...nips ahoy, eh?

;^0

[RebornJrny]

3 pages and no comments from conversationDave!???

Here's something to lighten up the mood in this thread ,,.,, yes its off topic, but I think we all need to chill down,,,, and what helps you better to chill down than a nice workin AC in your vehicle......

How to Check Your Car's Air Conditioner



1. Roll up the windows.
2. Turn the A/C on Hi.






3. Put the [b]tester in the car.
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Yep--it's working good![/b]

I thought you meant TESTES ....Boy that makes me hotter with those angry nips!

[conversationpc]

Those aren't nipples...Those are knobs!

[Rockindeano]

Portable coat rack.

[STORY_TELLER]

What was the point? Those who didn't want an invasion weren't going to listen. If someone has their mind made up and the actions being suggested fly in the face of their personal politics, no amount of evidence is going to change their mind.

This casual attitude does not comport with the administrations actions - especially not their anything-that-sticks approach in the lead up to war. They were so desperate to make their case that they were inserting bad intel back into speeches after it already been pulled out.
Before going to the UN, Powell had to stay up excising all the obvious falsehoods from his presentation and he was still left with total garbage.
White House insiders were feeding secrets to the NY Times and then Cheney and Rice would go on the Sunday talk shows and quote their very own planted sources in the NY Times as proof for war rationale.
After all these desperate contortionist measures, you mean to tell me Bush would let an actual "slamdunk" pass him by?

I just don't buy it.

I understand what you're saying, and yes, I think there was an agenda to go into Iraq that wasn't purely about WMD's. There was a larger ideologue plan at work. They were using the WMD's to further that agenda. However, that doesn't necessarily mean there were no WMD's and that it was pure falsehood from the get go.

My guess (and it is just a guess, just as everyone else's assertions in this thread are) is if they touted the Israeli report, those who were already against military action would use that report to say: "Okay, no reason to go in now. The weapons aren't there anymore."

Knowing this kind of political game playing, the administration probably just opted not to tout the WMD transfer expecting to find other evidence of the WMD's after the fact, even if the WMD's themselves weren't there. (e.g. manufacturing facilities, storage facilities, etc.) It is a big country though and it's not like there are road maps pointing to these places, especially if they're underground. Let's not forget that they were trying to build a case for war with not only people here at home, but with other countries to form a military coalition to perform the action. Countries who had financial interests in Iraq (France, Russia, China) didn't want the action out of their own political agenda. Money. Two of those same countries are against sanctioning Iran now for the very same reasons. Hell, Russia is the one building their freaking nuclear reactors! lol....

[Liquid_Drummer]

I hope I giant fucking asteroid hits us and wipes the whole lot out. We dont fit in this ecosystem anyway. All these diseases are the planets immune system trying to get rid of its terrible acne (us). So sick of war, politics and who is the best singer. Fuck it...

Just kidding....

[STORY_TELLER]

I hope I giant fucking asteroid hits us and wipes the whole lot out. We dont fit in this ecosystem anyway. All these diseases are the planets immune system trying to get rid of its terrible acne (us). So sick of war, politics and who is the best singer. Fuck it...

Just kidding....

LMAO... well, yeah, I kind of agree with you. Although, I don't think we will have to wait for an asteroid. We're going to kill each other. I give it 20-30 years tops. Some self centered power craving moron is going to light off a suitcase nuke and the game will be over. Buh-by, goodnight, take care, see ya! Humanity will go the way of the dinosaur. All that will be left will be cockroaches, cher and william shatner's hairpiece.

[conversationpc]

I hope I giant fucking asteroid hits us and wipes the whole lot out. We dont fit in this ecosystem anyway. All these diseases are the planets immune system trying to get rid of its terrible acne (us). So sick of war, politics and who is the best singer. Fuck it...

Just kidding....

LMAO... well, yeah, I kind of agree with you. Although, I don't think we will have to wait for an asteroid. We're going to kill each other. I give it 20-30 years tops. Some self centered power craving moron is going to light off a suitcase nuke and the game will be over. Buh-by, goodnight, take care, see ya! Humanity will go the way of the dinosaur. All that will be left will be cockroaches, cher and william shatner's hairpiece.

...and Michael Jackson's nose.

[STORY_TELLER]

I hope I giant fucking asteroid hits us and wipes the whole lot out. We dont fit in this ecosystem anyway. All these diseases are the planets immune system trying to get rid of its terrible acne (us). So sick of war, politics and who is the best singer. Fuck it...

Just kidding....

LMAO... well, yeah, I kind of agree with you. Although, I don't think we will have to wait for an asteroid. We're going to kill each other. I give it 20-30 years tops. Some self centered power craving moron is going to light off a suitcase nuke and the game will be over. Buh-by, goodnight, take care, see ya! Humanity will go the way of the dinosaur. All that will be left will be cockroaches, cher and william shatner's hairpiece.

...and Michael Jackson's nose.

Nah, that's already disintegrating. Never survive the blast.

[conversationpc]

I know you're kidding but there are actually people out there that believe that way. That man is not good for this planet. See global warming nuts. Some of them even think dolphins are the smartest creatures on the planet. Last time I hit the waves in Hilton Head I saw lots of dolphins, yet not once did I see an underwater highway system, underwater hospital nor an underwater bar or carryout. Stupid dolphins.

Tell me about it...Let me know when they have beer.

[Rhiannon]

Last time I hit the waves in Hilton Head I saw lots of dolphins

HHI is heaven on earth! If you go there often, go check out the Sandbar. Great live bands, great drinks, and almost literally right on the beach. The Mellow Mushroom is pretty sweet too. Gah, I love Hilton Head.

[STORY_TELLER]

...beer is probably way down the list of things to do for dolphins.

Sounds to me like they are smarter than us!

[dcvader]

Those aren't nipples...Those are knobs!

It's about fucking time someone posted a picture worthy of discussion on this board.

Titties rule!!!!!!!!

[brywool]

[
Didn't George proclaim "Mission Accomplished" 4 years ago? Hmm.

Wow, what an articulated message/rebuttal.

What I said isn't true Liz? Did our president not proclaim "Mission Accomplished" on the aircraft carrier 4 years ago?

I am waiting with baited breath on your answer.

Acrtually, Bush initially denied being responsible for the "Mission Accomplished" banner, blaming the ship's crew instead. The White House would later concede that it was their handiwork. Par for the course, as bragadocious bullshit is usually this administration's giveaway tell.

So Bush blamed the crew???? Jeez, more great stuff from this guy. He will be remembered in history as the biggest LOSER of a president America ever had. He makes Nixon look like a saint.

[brywool]

The Dems need to plow thru you intestinal pinworms like a Sherman tank.

Unfortunately, this won't happen...

[AlteredDNA]

[
Didn't George proclaim "Mission Accomplished" 4 years ago? Hmm.

Wow, what an articulated message/rebuttal.

What I said isn't true Liz? Did our president not proclaim "Mission Accomplished" on the aircraft carrier 4 years ago?

I am waiting with baited breath on your answer.

Acrtually, Bush initially denied being responsible for the "Mission Accomplished" banner, blaming the ship's crew instead. The White House would later concede that it was their handiwork. Par for the course, as bragadocious bullshit is usually this administration's giveaway tell.

So Bush blamed the crew???? Jeez, more great stuff from this guy. He will be remembered in history as the biggest LOSER of a president America ever had. He makes Nixon look like a saint.

He didn't blame the crew...those are TNC's words...

[brywool]

[
Didn't George proclaim "Mission Accomplished" 4 years ago? Hmm.

Wow, what an articulated message/rebuttal.

What I said isn't true Liz? Did our president not proclaim "Mission Accomplished" on the aircraft carrier 4 years ago?

I am waiting with baited breath on your answer.

Acrtually, Bush initially denied being responsible for the "Mission Accomplished" banner, blaming the ship's crew instead. The White House would later concede that it was their handiwork. Par for the course, as bragadocious bullshit is usually this administration's giveaway tell.

So Bush blamed the crew???? Jeez, more great stuff from this guy. He will be remembered in history as the biggest LOSER of a president America ever had. He makes Nixon look like a saint.

He didn't blame the crew...those are TNC's words...

Semantics... sorry, but it boils down to the sign was used by the administration to proclaim Mission Accomplished, was it not? It was. We've constantly heard the WMD stuff (that was proven to be wrong), we've heard that Saddam was connected to Al Queda (which was proven wrong). Basically, W went in to finish what his dad didn't finish. Not to mention how Haliburton's going in and making huge bucks...

Come on, you guys can't seriously support this...

[squirt1]

Storyteller- We entered the south while the Russian's 55 semi's left for SYRIA. It was a split screen on TV .The Russians thought they were going to supply Saddam and Bush said ah NO ! If you don't think we knew what Russia was up to and Israel made sure the WMD"S stayed put . The Russians were still in the counry making their getaway when we entered and believe me they knew for days our Army and Navy were just about there.