Neal Asking Arnel to write songs for next album

[Rick]

Good thing he isnt singing for an R and B band and said black. He d be cut up in little pieces

You seem to reek of hatred for Arnel - bashing him everywhere (including leaving malicious comment/s addressed to Arnel himself on youtube) as if it has become you're life ambition to discredit him. These direct personal attacks makes me think you're issue is no longer about your opinion of him being the wrong frontman for Journey, but about his race (the fact that you brought up the issue of racism makes me think so, or where did that come from?). What has he done to you dude? Does being a non-white frontman of Journey stir the much offended resident KKK spirit in you? Admit it (and it's because you're so blinded with prejudice if you don't), the guy's talents as a performer is exceptional, and it is for these that the guy was offered HIS dream job by music/business-smart JOURNEY itself - it's only logical to accept this as the truth noh? But then, for you, it was obviously a crime eh?

Well, in fairness, the racism card was thrown at a number of people here earlier on for even questioning the fact that Arnel was going to be the right choice for Journey.

That was my point,I was not fond of Arnel cause I didnt think his voice and look fit forJourney. I still feel that way.That doesnrt make me a raciest.

No sir it doesn't but your taste sucks. Arnels voice, if it holds out God willing, is as close to Perry as I've ever heard you deaf bastard.

Now here's what you will do. Go to www.ticketmaster.com and buy a ticket for the Dallas show on July 27th and get drunk and party with us. Then and only then will you be cool.

[Journey/Survivor]

If Journey feel that they need help in the songwriting department, then they should bring in Jim Peterik to do some writing with them.

[Rick]

If Journey feel that they need help in the songwriting department, then they should bring in Jim Peterik to do some writing with them.

Absolutely true. Cleveland still sucks.

[pinkvelvet]

On another Arnel interview he stated that the band are good to him and not treating him like a second class citizen just because he is Filipino. So Im guessing when they commented "even if theyre white" is not a negative comment about a race. Its just that other countries respect white people and always think of them as superior. "even if theyre white, they treat me like Im one of them and not less". Thats my analogy.

[Rick]

On another Arnel interview he stated that the band are good to him and not treating him like a second class citizen just because he is Filipino. So Im guessing when they commented "even if theyre white" is not a negative comment about a race. Its just that other countries respect white people and always think of them as superior. "even if theyre white, they treat me like Im one of them and not less". Thats my analogy.

I don't know why people get all balled up about this shit. I treat everyone as a first class citizen. People are people, no matter where they're from. Except the Irish.

[Since 78]

On another Arnel interview he stated that the band are good to him and not treating him like a second class citizen just because he is Filipino. So Im guessing when they commented "even if theyre white" is not a negative comment about a race. Its just that other countries respect white people and always think of them as superior. "even if theyre white, they treat me like Im one of them and not less". Thats my analogy.

I don't know why people get all balled up about this shit. I treat everyone as a first class citizen. People are people, no matter where they're from. Except the Irish.

[wednesday's child]

On another Arnel interview he stated that the band are good to him and not treating him like a second class citizen just because he is Filipino. So Im guessing when they commented "even if theyre white" is not a negative comment about a race. Its just that other countries respect white people and always think of them as superior. "even if theyre white, they treat me like Im one of them and not less". Thats my analogy.

That's still a problem, because it seems to operate from a POV that "whites", by default, are racists.
(Like: "Thank God my bandmates aren't racists like all the rest of white folk!!! Amennn!!!")
I support Arnel, and I'm Filipino, ...and I've tried to explain why Arnel said what he said, but
what he said was still objectionable --even on the chance that it was said with a nudge-nudge, wink-wink
sort of humor.

Anyways, the voice caving in is NOT a good sign.
Anybody have an idea when this happened (like, climate/weather-wise)?


wech

[stevew2]

Good thing he isnt singing for an R and B band and said black. He d be cut up in little pieces

You seem to reek of hatred for Arnel - bashing him everywhere (including leaving malicious comment/s addressed to Arnel himself on youtube) as if it has become you're life ambition to discredit him. These direct personal attacks makes me think you're issue is no longer about your opinion of him being the wrong frontman for Journey, but about his race (the fact that you brought up the issue of racism makes me think so, or where did that come from?). What has he done to you dude? Does being a non-white frontman of Journey stir the much offended resident KKK spirit in you? Admit it (and it's because you're so blinded with prejudice if you don't), the guy's talents as a performer is exceptional, and it is for these that the guy was offered HIS dream job by music/business-smart JOURNEY itself - it's only logical to accept this as the truth noh? But then, for you, it was obviously a crime eh?

Well, in fairness, the racism card was thrown at a number of people here earlier on for even questioning the fact that Arnel was going to be the right choice for Journey.

That was my point,I was not fond of Arnel cause I didnt think his voice and look fit forJourney. I still feel that way.That doesnrt make me a raciest.

No sir it doesn't but your taste sucks. Arnels voice, if it holds out God willing, is as close to Perry as I've ever heard you deaf bastard.

Now here's what you will do. Go to www.ticketmaster.com and buy a ticket for the Dallas show on July 27th and get drunk and party with us. Then and only then will you be cool.

His voice will only last 3 months Rickey.He is a good at imitating different singers. Doing the dozen after 3 months will burn out his pipes the way he is singing now. If I ever meet you at a concert{It wont be Journey} You better not have your shirt tucked in, and for God sakes dont wear your jeans up your neck. Just because Perry did it in1994,dosent make it cool

[Rick]

Anyways, the voice caving in is NOT a good sign.

Very unsettling. I've never heard anyone sound as close to Perry as AP. I would hate to see his voice take a shit this soon.

[Andrew]

On another Arnel interview he stated that the band are good to him and not treating him like a second class citizen just because he is Filipino. So Im guessing when they commented "even if theyre white" is not a negative comment about a race. Its just that other countries respect white people and always think of them as superior. "even if theyre white, they treat me like Im one of them and not less". Thats my analogy.

I don't know why people get all balled up about this shit. I treat everyone as a first class citizen. People are people, no matter where they're from.

Me too mate...a genuine person is a genuine person and a dickhead is a dickhead! Pretty simple!

[stevew2]

It will happen soon Mr Rick

[ttango1]

Welcome to the Journey board - thanks for posting the link!

Sounds like Arnel has his feet on the ground - this is certainly a huge step for him. You never imagine what goes on backstage - he was so scared!

He'll do fine.

But this was interesting:

De Leon, who was present at the interview, says Pineda’s contract with Journey is for three years, with mutual renewal options. The time frame was based on the three-year working visa that the US Immigration and Naturalization Service gave Pineda.

Mutual renewal options? That's interesting! Are all working visas for three years?

It wont last three months let alone three years. Having vocal trouble already.

I'd bet you on that, but you wouldn't pay up...so why bother?

[Eric]

Voice collapsed?

(Hope they have made amends with JSS)

[MrsPerry]

On another Arnel interview he stated that the band are good to him and not treating him like a second class citizen just because he is Filipino. So Im guessing when they commented "even if theyre white" is not a negative comment about a race. Its just that other countries respect white people and always think of them as superior. "even if theyre white, they treat me like Im one of them and not less". Thats my analogy.

I don't know why people get all balled up about this shit. I treat everyone as a first class citizen. People are people, no matter where they're from. Except the Irish.

Ouch rick, that hurts this little lass. (all in good fun)

[Arkansas]

Voice collapsed?

(Hope they have made amends with JSS)

Nah, if necessary, they'll get Chalfant to save the tour.


later~

[Pelata]

If his voice is "collapsing" already, that's not a good sign. How much you wanna bet there's a "failure to perform" clause in his contract?

[conversationpc]

Arnel's comments were no more bigoted than anything said about his diction. The dog-eating comments are over the top, though.

[journeypower]

Arnel's comments were no more bigoted than anything said about his diction. The dog-eating comments are over the top, though.

obviously, English is not his first language. so I can let him get off with that comment. in other words, it so happens that not all people speak the same English.

[strangegrey]

Arnel's comments were no more bigoted than anything said about his diction. The dog-eating comments are over the top, though.

Sorry Dave, The problem here is that he can't have his cake and eat it too. If he (Arnel) is going to get his back worked up for the diction comments (which, I believe were the comments he specifically addressed) then he has some fucking nerve to actually say the 'white' comments. You lose *all* credibility when you stand on a high horse about someone saying the word "nigger" and then turn around 1 minute, hour, week or year later and call someone "cracker" or "honkey."

But you know something...the net effect is actually a normalization of this issue....which is nice. Because now, when someone raises *valid* concerns over the CULTURAL (read, NOT race) issues regarding a south-east asian singing for an american rock band, no race baiter has ANY leg to stand on what-so-ever.

As far as the dog-eating comments. That was, has and will always be a cultural issue. NOT a racial one. For anyone that claims otherwise, they are either puppets of the carpetbagging Arneliots that have infested this fan base or people with conflicting feelings on JSS's termination and find the race baiting a convenient way to wash away the guilt of being a fan of a band that dismisses its singers in such a disgraceful fassion.


Culture-gap between pinoys and Journey's original fan base will always continue. Were dog eating comments apropriate? Hell no. was it racism? No!

But you can not, under any cicumstances, deny the fact that the underlying reasons for the above dog-eating references were not completely steeped in valid concerns over the culture gap....thats the issue here. there just needs to be a better way to voice it (instead of the dog-eating comments)....now that race baiters have NO WHERE to go...because Arnel himself is now guilty of racism.

[strangegrey]

Arnel's comments were no more bigoted than anything said about his diction. The dog-eating comments are over the top, though.

obviously, English is not his first language. so I can let him get off with that comment. in other words, it so happens that not all people speak the same English.

Bullshit. Like arnel, *you* cant have your cake and eat it too...

If you want to grant him dispensation for the whitey comment...then, you need to allow people to critique his diction. If he's not good enough to speak english, he's not good enough to sing it. Your argument is flawed, logically.

The fact remains that if people want to dismiss the diction issue as a non-issue(one that I am not voicing an opinion on with this post, just pointing out the logical error), they they can not turn around and give him a pass for not being a native english speaker when he makes a racist comment.

[Red13JoePa]

Pineda's remarks weren't the least bit racist.
He was pointing out the obvious, that whites who are native speakers sound a certain way.

It's like saying basketball teams have a lot of blacks, neither's more racist than the other.

[T-Bone]

Arnel's comments were no more bigoted than anything said about his diction. The dog-eating comments are over the top, though.

obviously, English is not his first language. so I can let him get off with that comment. in other words, it so happens that not all people speak the same English.

Bullshit. Like arnel, *you* cant have your cake and eat it too...

If you want to grant him dispensation for the whitey comment...then, you need to allow people to critique his diction. If he's not good enough to speak english, he's not good enough to sing it. Your argument is flawed, logically.

The fact remains that if people want to dismiss the diction issue as a non-issue(one that I am not voicing an opinion on with this post, just pointing out the logical error), they they can not turn around and give him a pass for not being a native english speaker when he makes a racist comment.

There's a slight difference between someone singing words to a song that were penned out for them to sing versus that very same person speaking on the spot and trying to come up with what they want to say. There's plenty of Euro metal bands I've listened to and their vocals and words are very clear, but I have a hard time understanding them in interviews.

[AlteredDNA]

Pineda's remarks weren't the least bit racist.
He was pointing out the obvious, that whites who are native speakers sound a certain way.

It's like saying basketball teams have a lot of blacks, neither's more racist than the other.

Agreed...All too often, just the mention of race sends the thin-skinned do-gooders into a frenzy, screaming "racist, racist...".

[conversationpc]

If you want to grant him dispensation for the whitey comment...then, you need to allow people to critique his diction. If he's not good enough to speak english, he's not good enough to sing it. Your argument is flawed, logically.

Yours is logically flawed also. There are plenty of non-English speaking singers who sing the language flawlessly in their songs but are difficult to understand when speaking it.

[Marabelle]

Alterned DNA has a point saying "Agreed...All too often, just the mention of race sends the thin-skinned do-gooders into a frenzy, screaming "racist, racist...".

I suppose it's with some sort of innate cultural sensitivity or consciousness that once the "race" word is mentioned then the next words are either going to be furthering the argument, debunking the myth or forwarding the stereotype.

[T-Bone]

It all depends on WHAT is said about that race and HOW it's said. People can easily be trying to make the same point or say the same thing, but using different words or phrases, and that alone can be the deciding factor on whether what was said sounds racist or not.

To top it off, constant negative remarks regarding someones background, culture or race can also be taken as racist.

[AlteredDNA]

Alterned DNA has a point saying "Agreed...All too often, just the mention of race sends the thin-skinned do-gooders into a frenzy, screaming "racist, racist...".

I suppose it's with some sort of innate cultural sensitivity or consciousness that once the "race" word is mentioned then the next words are either going to be furthering the argument, debunking the myth or forwarding the stereotype.

It's called "Political Correctness". It has destroyed our ability to talk to each other without someone getting "offended"...

[T-Bone]

Alterned DNA has a point saying "Agreed...All too often, just the mention of race sends the thin-skinned do-gooders into a frenzy, screaming "racist, racist...".

I suppose it's with some sort of innate cultural sensitivity or consciousness that once the "race" word is mentioned then the next words are either going to be furthering the argument, debunking the myth or forwarding the stereotype.

It's called "Political Correctness". It has destroyed our ability to talk to each other without someone getting "offended"...

Political Correctness along with the fact that everyone and their mother is "Sue Happy" these days. People actually "LOOK" for things to get offended about, so they can make off with some easy cash. The justice system needs to start laughing some of these twits right out of the courtroom.

[youkeepmewaiting]

It will happen soon Mr Rick

You talk like you WANT his voice to mess up... wich is quite and says alot about who you are

[stevew2]

It will happen soon Mr Rick

You talk like you WANT his voice to mess up... wich is quite and says alot about who you are

wich ??? WTF You dont know who I am. I think they made the wrong choice and I think I am right. I like to be right,nothin strange about that.