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Postby styxman » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:28 am

Barb wrote:
conversationpc wrote:"Faith in the Heartland" sung by a Phillipino singer? Sorry, doesn't sound right to me.



This is the very essence of the problem I have with Journey today. It's just whoever happens to be singing at the time singing the words. There is no emotion, there is no passion for these songs from this band anymore. You see my avatar? That is why I count down the days, hours and seconds to see Lifehouse. It's emotion, passion -- bringing the music to life and touching people with it. Journey doesn't do that for me anymore. Ya, it's a fun concert (if you can afford it!) but that's about it. :(


Looks like he's having the biggest shit of his life to me :wink:
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:29 am

conversationpc wrote:"Faith in the Heartland" sung by a Phillipino singer? Sorry, doesn't sound right to me.


As much as I love that song I agree with you.
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:30 am

styxman wrote:
Barb wrote:
conversationpc wrote:"Faith in the Heartland" sung by a Phillipino singer? Sorry, doesn't sound right to me.



This is the very essence of the problem I have with Journey today. It's just whoever happens to be singing at the time singing the words. There is no emotion, there is no passion for these songs from this band anymore. You see my avatar? That is why I count down the days, hours and seconds to see Lifehouse. It's emotion, passion -- bringing the music to life and touching people with it. Journey doesn't do that for me anymore. Ya, it's a fun concert (if you can afford it!) but that's about it. :(


Looks like he's having the biggest shit of his life to me :wink:

Tell me that's not an emotional time of your life. :lol:
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Postby Behshad » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:34 am

I bet it will take less than a week after the release date, for both cd's and the DVD to be available on 'the bay' to download,.,,, Now if they also include the artwork,,,,, :wink: 8)
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Postby styxman » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:34 am

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styxman wrote:
Barb wrote:
conversationpc wrote:"Faith in the Heartland" sung by a Phillipino singer? Sorry, doesn't sound right to me.



This is the very essence of the problem I have with Journey today. It's just whoever happens to be singing at the time singing the words. There is no emotion, there is no passion for these songs from this band anymore. You see my avatar? That is why I count down the days, hours and seconds to see Lifehouse. It's emotion, passion -- bringing the music to life and touching people with it. Journey doesn't do that for me anymore. Ya, it's a fun concert (if you can afford it!) but that's about it. :(


Looks like he's having the biggest shit of his life to me :wink:

Tell me that's not an emotional time of your life. :lol:


I see what you mean.....hopefully with the amount of junk I've eaten today, tomorrow at Dawn I'll have an emotional time.....the smell kinda fucks the sensational moment up though :wink:
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Postby styxman » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:36 am

Red, does this mean Arnel shits on stage each time he performs...fuckin' hell, that's bad, ain't it :lol:
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Postby Barb » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:37 am

ProgRocker53 wrote:
conversationpc wrote:"Faith in the Heartland" sung by a Phillipino singer? Sorry, doesn't sound right to me.


As much as I love that song I agree with you.


Me too.
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Postby styxman » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:40 am

Barb wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:
conversationpc wrote:"Faith in the Heartland" sung by a Phillipino singer? Sorry, doesn't sound right to me.


As much as I love that song I agree with you.


Me too.


Ok honey, he's not dropping something, that guitars rubbing something instead, either way you look at it, he's ready to explode. Skip over it as you must but it's a talking point :shock:
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Postby Barb » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:41 am

styxman wrote:
Barb wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:
conversationpc wrote:"Faith in the Heartland" sung by a Phillipino singer? Sorry, doesn't sound right to me.


As much as I love that song I agree with you.


Me too.


Ok honey, he's not dropping something, that guitars rubbing something instead, either way you look at it, he's ready to explode. Skip over it as you must but it's a talking point :shock:


lol. ok. :D
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Postby ttango1 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:53 am

hoagiepete wrote:Not to beat a dead horse...but I still have no desire to hear the classics re-recorded. That has to be a pure internal business decision.

I'll say it again...would the other true classic bands re-record their hits with new lead singers?

Led Zep do a new Stairway to Heaven? Aerosmith do a new Sweet Emotion? The Who without Daltry? Boston re-doing Delp songs? Beatles with a Lennon fill-in? I could go on and on. I'm sure I'm missing something, but I just don't get it.

New Journey with Arnel...good. Journey redoing classics with anyone...bad.

What up HP? How are your kids? Anyways...I disagree, but only in the sense that having a choice isn't bad. I mean you ever get on an elevator and hear a MUZAK version of song you used to groove to in High School? Imagine DSB in Muzak format....unreal. Now, that I've seen Arnel live, I want to hear him more and more. More so on the new stuff, but with his interpretation on the classics...I want to hear those too. To me, it's a win-win to have a choice to listen to 1 or the other or both. Not having a choice is very proletariat for me, having a choice is downright democratic...IMHO 8)
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Postby jrnyman28 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:01 am

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amaron wrote:
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amaron wrote:Re-recording FITH is fucking lazy.
Re-recording pretty much the entire GH disc is fucking lazy.

I WAS going to give it a chance, but now I'm not interested.


It makes it look like they don't really believe in their new material, like the only way to sell it is to attach it to something people already know.


It's a good strategy, but lazy to me. How many times have we heard all of these damn re-records? I was sick of hearing OA, Faithfully, DSB, WITS, etc 6 years ago!!


But you are not the average consumer. I listen to Escape nowadays, the album I considered a masterpiece, and I skip 4 songs now. Simply becuase I am tired of hearing them...


I'm not speaking as the average consumer. I'm speaking as a fan who is frustrated with Journey's direction since Arrival. Journey was my favorite band since I was 7 in 86.. now I'd be generous to say they are in my top 10.


I know you are not the average consumer...but that is the obvious audience for the bands business decisions. Like you said, good strategy.
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Postby Jeremey » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:18 am

Wow, Ive actually heard in someform or another 6 of the 11 sons, and sang 3 of them in some form. I must say a bit of the mystery is gone for me now...
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Postby jrnyman28 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:18 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:No, but the average consumers are the ones that GH and Essential were already marketed toward.

Those types of compilations are put out for the casual fan who knows a band by their hits, not the die hard who have all the original albums. So now the average consumers are getting yet another go around of the same track list.


Well, I agree that it sucks. I hate all these GHs recordings. But for a matter of perspective, GH is owned by almost everybody...something like 14 million sold. Time3 was much more than a GH. Box Sets are specialty items. GHL was put out there because the fans wanted something and they weren't getting a Journey Tour. Essential Journey was a Sony STAB at Journey for them not doing what Sony wanted. And it was a good idea to increase the size of the GH since Journey DID have more. Now this: a marketing idea FOR Journey. Not for Sony, not for the die hard fan, and not for Sony to rape the fan who is craving anything by Journey because TBF came out and the band is not touring. This one is for Joureny, to help sell their NEW MATERIAL. Okay, I better rephrase this, it is actually for WalMart who dictated that Journey needed to do this. But it will be just as beneficial for Journey...especially since there IS NEW MATERIAL accompanying it. This is a way to smooth the entrance of Arnel, AND have people notice/hear NEW MATERIAL from a classic rock band who has very little outlet anywhere other than the stage.


bluejeangirl76 wrote:I still say if they really had faith in Arnel and in their new material, they wouldn't need to tack on the favorites to get people to but the new stuff. Its lame and sad.


I don't think it is about faith in Arnel, I think it is about faith in the BUYING PUBLIC. Faith in that CASUAL FAN who doesn't know what the hell is going on with this band. The casual fan who says "HEY! I remember this song, I really liked it". It is a BONUS accompanying NEW MATERIAL. It will attract people with name recognition. And it will "prove" to people that Journey's new vocalist is for real (hopefully. I await my copy to decide).

How much did Journey stand behind Augeri-era material? How much did they "push" Steve out front? He was not the center of the promo pics. He was not a spokesperson for the band. He did not do a LOT of interviews. Journey did not stick with new material in concert. They did not do more than ONE TV appearance. (We will see what happens with Arnel). Journey is showing a LOT more faith in Arnel than they did with Augeri.
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Postby journey062393 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:33 am

The only thing I'm mainly looking forward to is hearing Neal's solo on WCN recorded with modern technology. Should sound pretty sweet! Please tell me that Arnel is going to sing all the songs though, and not Deen singing any of them. I love Deen, and think he covers some of the songs incredibly, but please just stick with Arnel.
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Postby E5C4P3 4 U » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:34 am

Here is the full release:

Tuesday, April 22, 2008
The Journey continues

Frontiers Records is proud to present the new chapter in the legendary career of multi-Platinum US rockers Journey - Neal Schon (guitar), Jonathan Cain (keyboards), Ross Valory (bass), Deen Castronovo (drums) and Arnel Pineda (vocals) – entitled “Revelation”.

The brand new record will come in a beautifully packaged two cd set which will include 11 new songs and 11 re-recorded classics and will be released in Europe on Frontiers Records on June 6th 2008.

“Revelation” is the first Journey album to feature the angelic voice of Philipino singer Arnel Pineda. Guitarist Neal Schon says about him “We feel reborn. I think there’s a lot of chemistry between the five of us. The new stuff sounds tremendous. Everyone’s so stoked about it. We feel very fortunate to have found Arnel”.

“Arnel brings a soulful and passionate voice to Journey”, continues keyboardist Jonathan Cain. “His personality is very well-suited to our music. He’s a sincere, authentic person with a great smile and a big heart. I think fans are really going to love him. With Arnel’s soaring tenor, Journey returns to our heritage sound.”

The first album with lead vocalist Arnel Pineda, “Revelation” is Journey running on no less than twelve cylinders, a fine-tuned offering that sounds every bit like a band hitting their stride. Schon and Cain penned all 11 of the new tracks on “Revelation”. There is no lack of chemistry in Journey, beginning with the songwriting core of Schon and Cain. “I felt strongly about moving forward and writing new material. It was time,” Schon states. Schon then put the call into Cain and started the song writing process which has now become the album, “Revelation”. “There’s an innate trust and respect for what we each do as we weave our way through this music,” says Cain. Schon adds, “In the alphabet, I might be a Z and Jonathan the A, that’s just how opposite we are musically sometimes. I write mostly rock and Jonathan writes most of the ballads, but when you combine the chemistry of us together, you’ll find that it is the nucleus and sound of what is and has been Journey. And now, with the right voice in place, we have all the right ingredients.”

"Never Walk Away” kicks “Revelation” off with the resilient air and upbeat optimism fans have come to expect from Journey, a melody-soaked and guitar-driven anthem sure to ignite the live circuit just as it lights up the new release. The heartwarming sentiment offered by “Like a Sunshower” gives a more poetic and reflective look at relationships. It’s an uncharacteristic ballad from the more hard rock-inclined Schon. There’s even an instrumental, “The Journey (Revelation)”, at the request of producer Kevin Shirley, who returns to the fold after working with the band on “Trial By Fire” (1996) and “Arrival” (2000), the band’s first instrumental since “Departure” (1980) and “Evolution” (1979). “This is a special song for me”, Schon says of the sprawling track, “it was extremely gratifying to express myself on my instrument in this way”. This is a great performance from everyone in the band and truly a majestic track.

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But every member of Journey shines on the whole of “Revelation”. Lead singer Arnel Pineda does plenty of head turning of his own throughout the new recordings, as well as the 11 classic hits that the band re-recorded. Jonathan Cain’s keyboards elevate “After All These Years” to new emotional heights. “What I Needed” is a power ballad, driven by heavy guitars, reminiscent of the early Journey that so many bands have modeled themselves after. Deen Castronovo drums up a frenzy during the hard-driving rock song, “Wildest Dream.” The talented Castronovo also sings most of the high harmonies heard throughout the album, proving that not only is he an amazing drummer, but he’s a dynamic vocalist as well. Schon’s smoking guitars rip through this track with a cool, eastern flavor. Bassist Ross Valory is steady throughout, a stabilizing force through the albums more driven highs and heartfelt lows.

Frontiers Records President Serafino Perugino comments: “Working again with Journey is more than an honour for us. I wish to thank all the parties that worked hard to make this release happen, including Gabe Reed Esq, Azoff Management and the band for the continued trust in our job”.

“Revelation” tracklisting will include the following songs:
Cd1: Never Walk Away; Like A Sunshower; Change For The Better; Wildest Dream; Faith In The Heartland; After All These Years; Where Did I Lose Your Love; What I Needed; What It Takes To Win; Turn Down The World Tonight; The Journey (Revelation).

Cd2: Only The Young; Don't Stop Believin'; Wheel In The Sky; Faithfully; Any Way You Want It; Who's Crying Now; Separate Ways (Worlds Apart); Lights; Open Arms; Be Good To Yourself; Stone In Love.

Journey will support the new album release in Europe with a highly anticipated tour which will include the following dates in June 2008:

6 La Riviera Madrid, Spain
10 Ewerk Koln, Germany
11 Schwarzwaldhalle Karlsruhe, Germany
13 Hessen State Fair, HombergEfze, Germany
14 Jako Arena Bamberg, Germany
15 Arrow Classic Festival, Holland
17 Hammersmith London, England
19 Apollo Manchester, England
20 Clyde Auditorium Glasgow, Scotland
22 Civic Theater Wolverhampton, England
23 Cardiff International Arena Cardiff, Wales
25 National Stadium Dublin, Ireland
27 Nottingham Arena Nottingham, England
28 Harewood House Harrogate, England

“Revelation” is the album to look for. The future looks bright once again.
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Postby Sarah » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:17 am

Barb wrote:There is no emotion, there is no passion for these songs from this band anymore.

I will say that I saw a LOT of "going through the motions" in Vegas. It's something I really wish they'd work on.

I keep comparing it to when I saw Garth Brooks a couple of months ago, who was really my only other concert besides Journey in years, but he was a-mazing. Puts his heart and soul into the songs and you can see that he truly loved performing that night. Journey barely moves, smiles, or talks to/engages the audience. Arnel tries, at least, but I felt bad for him because he wasn't getting much response from his bandmates.

I know, though, that Garth doesn't actually tour and Journey does, so they'd naturally be more... bored? with their sets. But it's disappointing in comparison.
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Postby Rick » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:22 am

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Barb wrote:There is no emotion, there is no passion for these songs from this band anymore.

I will say that I saw a LOT of "going through the motions" in Vegas. It's something I really wish they'd work on.


He'll be alright. He's just now getting his feet wet. When he gets comfortable it'll be what you're looking for I'm sure. I doubt Mr. Perry was on his A game this soon either.
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Postby Sarah » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:23 am

Rick wrote:He'll be alright. He's just now getting his feet wet. When he gets comfortable it'll be what you're looking for I'm sure. I doubt Mr. Perry was on his A game this soon either.

Read further, I said Arnel was trying, it's the rest of them...
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Postby Rick » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:25 am

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Rick wrote:He'll be alright. He's just now getting his feet wet. When he gets comfortable it'll be what you're looking for I'm sure. I doubt Mr. Perry was on his A game this soon either.

Read further, I said Arnel was trying, it's the rest of them...


Damn, I'm the one off my game today. :lol: I took a nap and I've been in a daze ever since.
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:26 am

Rick wrote:
Sarah wrote:
Rick wrote:He'll be alright. He's just now getting his feet wet. When he gets comfortable it'll be what you're looking for I'm sure. I doubt Mr. Perry was on his A game this soon either.

Read further, I said Arnel was trying, it's the rest of them...


Damn, I'm the one off my game today. :lol:

:lol: Shake it off already dude. It's almost bedtime! :lol:
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Postby Rick » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:32 am

RedWingFan wrote:
Rick wrote:
Sarah wrote:
Rick wrote:He'll be alright. He's just now getting his feet wet. When he gets comfortable it'll be what you're looking for I'm sure. I doubt Mr. Perry was on his A game this soon either.

Read further, I said Arnel was trying, it's the rest of them...


Damn, I'm the one off my game today. :lol:

:lol: Shake it off already dude. It's almost bedtime! :lol:


Yep, I can start all over tomorrow. I've been working this 5:30 to 2:00 shift which means I have to get up at 4am. So I dabble in afternoon naps occasionally. Sometimes I get up feeling refreshed, and sometimes I get up with my head full of mud, like today. :lol:
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:55 am

jrnyman28 wrote:GHL was put out there because the fans wanted something and they weren't getting a Journey Tour.


It has nothing to do with a tour, or lack thereof. It is simply a contract filler to get Perry out of a record contract with the band. That way, Journey is free to hire a singer and move on, and Perry can do whatever he wants to do whenever he so chooses.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:51 pm

Barb wrote:
conversationpc wrote:"Faith in the Heartland" sung by a Phillipino singer? Sorry, doesn't sound right to me.



This is the very essence of the problem I have with Journey today. It's just whoever happens to be singing at the time singing the words. There is no emotion, there is no passion for these songs from this band anymore. You see my avatar? That is why I count down the days, hours and seconds to see Lifehouse. It's emotion, passion -- bringing the music to life and touching people with it. Journey doesn't do that for me anymore. Ya, it's a fun concert (if you can afford it!) but that's about it. :(


Ummm...Brookyln raised Steve Augeri wasn't exactly stemming from breadbasket, USA, fellas.
Did Perry's descent make his delivery of the Mexican-themed La Raza Del Sol any less convincing?
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Postby tj » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:10 pm

Sarah wrote:
Barb wrote:There is no emotion, there is no passion for these songs from this band anymore.

I will say that I saw a LOT of "going through the motions" in Vegas. It's something I really wish they'd work on.

I keep comparing it to when I saw Garth Brooks a couple of months ago, who was really my only other concert besides Journey in years, but he was a-mazing. Puts his heart and soul into the songs and you can see that he truly loved performing that night. Journey barely moves, smiles, or talks to/engages the audience. Arnel tries, at least, but I felt bad for him because he wasn't getting much response from his bandmates.

I know, though, that Garth doesn't actually tour and Journey does, so they'd naturally be more... bored? with their sets. But it's disappointing in comparison.


Garth was in Walmart in Owasso, OK the other day. Real down to earth guy who understands that the fans are who make him what he is. He keeps his ticket prices reasonable and puts on a MONSTER show every time out. He quit touring to stay home and raise his 3 daughters, now only does shows every once in a while. He could easily live the rock star life (OK, he's country), but really cares about what he puts in front of the fans.

A lot of bands could learn from his example.
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Postby Rick » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:31 pm

tj wrote:
Sarah wrote:
Barb wrote:There is no emotion, there is no passion for these songs from this band anymore.

I will say that I saw a LOT of "going through the motions" in Vegas. It's something I really wish they'd work on.

I keep comparing it to when I saw Garth Brooks a couple of months ago, who was really my only other concert besides Journey in years, but he was a-mazing. Puts his heart and soul into the songs and you can see that he truly loved performing that night. Journey barely moves, smiles, or talks to/engages the audience. Arnel tries, at least, but I felt bad for him because he wasn't getting much response from his bandmates.

I know, though, that Garth doesn't actually tour and Journey does, so they'd naturally be more... bored? with their sets. But it's disappointing in comparison.


Garth was in Walmart in Owasso, OK the other day. Real down to earth guy who understands that the fans are who make him what he is. He keeps his ticket prices reasonable and puts on a MONSTER show every time out. He quit touring to stay home and raise his 3 daughters, now only does shows every once in a while. He could easily live the rock star life (OK, he's country), but really cares about what he puts in front of the fans.

A lot of bands could learn from his example.


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Postby Rip Rokken » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:42 pm

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X factor wrote:FAITH again???
Not liking that decision...

faith is a fucking spectacular song...


Corrected your post for ya. 8)


It is an amazing song, and I'm glad to hear it again, though I found nothing wrong with it the first time. I don't think Saint John is a fan of the song though. I was standing right next to him in Vegas when I heard his reaction as they began to play it... LOL!
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Postby stevew2 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:51 pm

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conversationpc wrote:"Faith in the Heartland" sung by a Phillipino singer? Sorry, doesn't sound right to me.


As much as I love that song I agree with you.
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Postby X factor » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:22 pm

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X factor wrote:FAITH again???
Not liking that decision...

faith is a fucking spectacular song...


Corrected your post for ya. 8)


Oh don't get me wrong..I LOVE the song. But I'm with you that it didn't need the re-record. Seems a little cheap to me...
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Postby hoagiepete » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:11 am

Rick wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Why is everyone so uptight about the re-records? It's not like they have a shred of integrity left anyway.


Did you buy the Chalfant record?


Nope. Why should I? Got the originals and they still sound pretty damn good to me.

By the way, Cyclorama has some really good songs on it. It's worth a listen.
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Postby hoagiepete » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:23 am

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Barb wrote:There is no emotion, there is no passion for these songs from this band anymore.

I will say that I saw a LOT of "going through the motions" in Vegas. It's something I really wish they'd work on.

I keep comparing it to when I saw Garth Brooks a couple of months ago, who was really my only other concert besides Journey in years, but he was a-mazing. Puts his heart and soul into the songs and you can see that he truly loved performing that night. Journey barely moves, smiles, or talks to/engages the audience. Arnel tries, at least, but I felt bad for him because he wasn't getting much response from his bandmates.

I know, though, that Garth doesn't actually tour and Journey does, so they'd naturally be more... bored? with their sets. But it's disappointing in comparison.


This point was sure confirmed last night. Went to a Bon Jovi concert. Never was a huge fan, but our family gave my sister tickets for Christmas and I got to be the one to take her.

It was a frickin' amazing concert. First, it was "an event", not just a concert. Jon (sp? help me spell checkers!) laid it all out there. He had to be exhausted. He was an entertainer. He had the sell out crowd goin from the first note. The flow of the concert, the tremendous stage set-up, great use of video boards that floated all over the place, bringing Daughtry up to sing with them for a song, singing a song from the back of the arena ...I could go on. Like I said, I have never been a Bon Jovi fan. I don't think I own one album and was completely impressed. Richie seemed fairly sober and did a good job as well. I just stood there the whole concert thinking about slipping Journey into this setting and seeing what they could do.

If they are going to headline this tour this summer, I hope the production builds them up to be the "headliner." Throwing out a little light rig and letting them play is a little ho-hum. If they want to do that, they need to do more intimate settings (clubs, Performing Arts Theaters, etc). If going to do arenas, lets do it up right!
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