So WTF Does Everyone Think of Pineda Now?

[faithfullyjourney]

He sucks, off key, cant understand the words,screams the notes at times, weird stage presence. People are hard up to hear Journey,and will accept what the band throws at them

with due respect stevew2, are you not getting tired with all this negativity??? am new here and its nauseating to read all your rants post after post...when this will end??? but if thats your orgasm then please go on...somehow, message boards need it - a goat!!! without it...will be boring!

[Pelata]

He's not a clone of anyone, he sounds very good on the new song, I'm still not sold on the live clips I've seen of him singing the classics...but that could possibly be chalked up to still getting his "Journey legs"...

[Liquid_Drummer]

Man I had never heard the Zoo version of Heaven by Brain Adams. Who can this guy not sound like ??? Geesh
Sounds just like him !!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q1NoFk5sVVE&feature=related

[STORY_TELLER]

My issues with the song itself aside, I think he sounds better on this song live than on the studio recording. Much better in fact. His voice sounds thinner on the radio/youtube/mp3 studio track than the live version. Could be nerves during the recording session? Holding back? Robert Plant said he had the same issues when he recorded Led Zepp's first album and you can notice a difference in his vocals between Zepp I and II. He was definitely more relaxed on the second album.

Arnel was basically a hired gun on these new tunes and had virtually no creative input. That's gotta affect his delivery on some level.

Arnel has a great voice for sure. He sounds hot live, but he sounds best singing Perry's songs when he can imitate Perry's artistry. That's the only time I hear him sounding like Perry, when he's imitating him on the GH's. When he sings new originals, so far, at best, he sounds like Jimi Jamison. I suspect he's going to sound much better on ballads than on rockers, but my fear is that overall, this new album will sound more like a cross between Survivor and Bad English than Journey. That is not an album I can get excited about. It doesn't rise to the quality of the band called Journey.

PS: Stevew2, he's not even remotely off key or off pitch anywhere on this song. Not live, not recorded.

[STORY_TELLER]

Correcting the double post. Server issue must have registered a submitted post but didn't show it to me on my end.

[strangegrey]

I think Arnel is great, but I really wish he'd work with a diction coach. I love NWA but, unfortunately, his accent comes through very stronly (and no I wasn't looking for it). I can't wait to hear the rest of the new music now.

Uh oh,m watch it Barb. The racists will come after you!

[conversationpc]

The usual mob comes in again as always. Have a night cap with soom koolaid

Hypocrite...It's also always the same handful of people who cruise into just about every thread remotely about Arnel to bash him for every little thing.

[SteveForever]

The new song is beautiful, but when I hear Perry sing I want more. You just want more of THAT! His voice tells a story and
you can just get lost in it, but Arnel does a nice job on the new song. I think its a hit.

[Arkansas]

'After All These Years' is a hundred times the song that 'Never Walk Away' is. It's an awesome song.
There needs to be an AP/female duet of it for radio and/or movie soundtrack.


later~

[strangegrey]

nothing off the new new journey cd will chart with any significance. I'd love to be optimistic here....but it's just not going to happen in today's musical climate.

[Arkansas]

nothing off the new new journey cd will chart with any significance. I'd love to be optimistic here....but it's just not going to happen in today's musical climate.

Maybe a duet version of 'After All These Years' for country radio would chart.
Not AP singing, but a couple of big time country names could sell this song.


later~

[Behshad]

Hey Frank
There was a time when I used to enjoy your posts. You've gone downhill lately, whats goin on ??? I mean I am not a big fan of the new Journey , mainly because of Neal&Co being fucking backstabbers, but I dont come in here and post and spread negativity all the time, do I? I think Arnel is innocent in all aspects and this is his dream come true,,,, he deserves a fair chance, at least from the true fans...
You say you'd love to be optimistic about it, I say you lie through your teeth.... Its one thing to have a strong opinion about this situation but to come here every single time to put the band down, with sarcasm or smart ass comments, will only turn more people against you....
You may say you dont give a fuck what others think of you,,,, which is fine,,, but your posts arent as entertaining as they used to be bro,,,,

[pinkvelvet]

nothing off the new new journey cd will chart with any significance. I'd love to be optimistic here....but it's just not going to happen in today's musical climate.

Maybe a duet version of 'After All These Years' for country radio would chart.
Not AP singing, but a couple of big time country names could sell this song.


later~

and why may I ask is Arnel not good enough to sing this song? you have got to be kidding me!

[mistiejourney]

Even without planning on attending concerts or even buying the Boxed Walmart set, I can tell a good song when I hear it no matter who is singing it. AATY happens to have great lyrics, and someone with a good voice singing.

I knew Arnel had the pipes, it was just a matter of having the right setting.

Would I have preferred someone else? Well, yeah! But that doesn't negate the fact that Arnel does a great job on it.

It doesn't change my feelings re: Journey as an entity (been there, done that, disillusioned) but that song WILL chart and Arnel did a great job on it.

I'd be lying if I said he did not.

[Arkansas]

nothing off the new new journey cd will chart with any significance. I'd love to be optimistic here....but it's just not going to happen in today's musical climate.

Maybe a duet version of 'After All These Years' for country radio would chart.
Not AP singing, but a couple of big time country names could sell this song.


later~

and why may I ask is Arnel not good enough to sing this song? you have got to be kidding me!

AP is Journey's singer. The band would never release anything for country radio.
What I said was that this song could chart in country radio if known-country singers did it.
It's a high quality song, and I love AP & DC on it, but country radio would never touch it without one (or two) of their own. And I doubt that pop radio will touch Journey ever again.

Thanks for the laugh. I applaud your zealotry.


later~

[pinkvelvet]

nothing off the new new journey cd will chart with any significance. I'd love to be optimistic here....but it's just not going to happen in today's musical climate.

Maybe a duet version of 'After All These Years' for country radio would chart.
Not AP singing, but a couple of big time country names could sell this song.


later~

and why may I ask is Arnel not good enough to sing this song? you have got to be kidding me!

AP is Journey's singer. The band would never release anything for country radio.
What I said was that this song could chart in country radio if known-country singers did it.
It's a high quality song, and I love AP & DC on it, but country radio would never touch it without one (or two) of their own. And I doubt that pop radio will touch Journey ever again.

Thanks for the laugh. I applaud your zealotry.


later~

thanks for your explaination

[daltonsdad]

!@#$%^&*()_ these pukes get greedier every year. Seats up to $125 now! I am out and on a damn Wednesday? I think not!

[strangegrey]

Hey Frank
There was a time when I used to enjoy your posts. You've gone downhill lately, whats goin on ??? I mean I am not a big fan of the new Journey , mainly because of Neal&Co being fucking backstabbers, but I dont come in here and post and spread negativity all the time, do I? I think Arnel is innocent in all aspects and this is his dream come true,,,, he deserves a fair chance, at least from the true fans...
You say you'd love to be optimistic about it, I say you lie through your teeth.... Its one thing to have a strong opinion about this situation but to come here every single time to put the band down, with sarcasm or smart ass comments, will only turn more people against you....
You may say you dont give a fuck what others think of you,,,, which is fine,,, but your posts arent as entertaining as they used to be bro,,,,

Well, a few things. First, I don't give a flying fuck who or what I amuse or piss off here....and I've been hung out and skewered by people here because I don't tow the party line and speak the babble. I don't fucking care. I really don't. If I did...I'd likely have sucked up and starting going "rah rah, I love Arnel, he's the second coming"...because that's what one needs to do around here to be liked. People that are liked by everyone are rarely true to anyone.

Also, I don't really care if you think I'm not being honest. Use you're own filter...but I wouldn't be making your morning coffee with it. Let's get fucking real...I'm probably one of the few honest people left here or elsewhere out there in journey's dwindling internet fan base. I'm not a sycophant. Have I said that I'd like to be optimistic? Absolutely...I'd *like* to be. Does it mean I always am? Absolutely not. Often times, I'm far more realist than optimist. If I were 20-something years old...and I didn't have a *real* good (and accurate) knowledge of what kind of complete back-stabbing prick Neal Schon was. If I didn't have a *real* good knowledge of just how ethically-rich Consolo and co. were . If I didn't see this for what it really is...I could fall in line like a good foot solder and start preaching the good word of this new Journey.

The fact remains that if you're 100% on board with this new line up, I submit that you haven't been a fan long enough. You haven't been tormented through the late 80s, early 90s...with little hope of ever seeing this band get back together.

I'll tell you what. There isn't a single poster here, save for Monker, who's been knee-deep in the online Journey hoopla longer than I. Was my involvement constant? no. But, you wanted to see optimism from me? You should have seen me in 1996, in IRC chats with the Journey faithful back then. NONE of them are still here. They've all seen this stupid charade one too many times. They KNOW how it ends. I *know* how this is going to end. Most people here that don't have my perspective on this, were probably listening to Counting Crows and Blind Melon...back when I was the most active Journey online supporter out there. Hell, the current new crop of Journey carpetbagging fan fuckers are race baiting pieces of shit that probably didn't own a single Journey record until Arnel was announced!

In some sick, demented way, I actually envy some of you people...that are looking at Arnel with this new-found excitement. You think this is going to end smelling like roses. How I would love to be able to get that feeling back! To be able to view Neal as a Guitar God who was larger than life. Right now, all I see is a fuckup of a human being with 5 destroyed marriages, tons of destroyed musical relationships, enough scarring from a bands destroyed legacy to sink a fucking ocean liner and a guy, sad to say, that's starting to reuse guitar licks/riffs....because it's growing apparent that he's creatively spent.

So...sorry if you don't like the fact that I'm not a sycophant suck up. I'm not going to jump on this band wagon, suck some dick around here, lick some anus....and sacrifice my principles, just to make you laugh or win friends and influence people. There are people here who are far better at that than I. I leave that to them.


Me...I'm far more honest....far more real....far more straight forward. I tell it like it is. Certain people can't handle it...because I don't deliver it with perfume and roses. Tough shit. I say what I think...


Now that I've dispensed with all the bullshit. Let's get onto what I said that made you think you could make a statement with...

"Nothing will chart (with any significance) off the new journey record. I'd love to be optimistic here....but it's just not going to happen in today's musical climate."

First, let me state...the above statement is NOT negative. It's honest. Hell. You can insert Def Leppard into the above statement. Extreme. Whitesnake. (and I think the new Whitesnake album is 10X better than anything released by any rock band in the past 4 years). The FACT REMAINS THAT TODAY'S MUSICAL CLIMATE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR SUCCESS BY ROCK BANDS. It's NOT because Arnel is part of this stupid fucking money grab...It's NOT because they're retreading music that should have never been fucking desecrated. It's NOT because this band looks like a bunch of uncle fuckers trying to sell damaged goods....

It's because it's damn fucking hard for rock bands over 25 to sell shit. Go ahead....give me an example of a dinosaur band that is charting right now....or has in the past year. I dare you....you can't do it.

Oh, I know what you're thinking....The Eagles, right? Let's stump ole Frankie with the Eagles.

Sorry, this is where the Arnel difference comes into play....Don Henley is still singing for the Eagles...not some Bovine worshiper from New Delhi or a Taliban opium addict from Afghanistan. People want to see and hear the original act do the original thing. They don't want to see someone that the 3 out of the 5 original members thinks does a halfway decent job of approximating.

So, not only does Journey have a next to impossible task in charting, in a climate that does NOT cater well to dinosaur acts.....but they have to do it with a singer that no one wants to hear. Hell, even the radio DJ announcing "After All These Years" couldn't help herself make comparisons to Steve Perry. How the hell are they going to succeed on the merits of this song when every time it's played, the DJ goes 'well, he sorta sounds like Perry'.

Thats a huge fucking shadow to get out from under. I don't care who you are.


If you want to think happy, happy thoughts and go on thinking this is going to amount to something....go right ahead. Me, I'm being a realist. I give good, all-original bands a 1 in 20 chance at remaking it after 20-30 years given how tough it is out there. A band that is missing the greatest singer to ever live and the greatest drummer to ever live....is never going to get past the word go without someone going "where's Steve? (take your pick as to which one, I dont give a fuck)"


BTW...One other comment. I do not come in here and post nothing but negativity. There are several posts where I come and post constructive/positive. Political posts, the whitesnake post....and hell, if this stupid fucking message board worked half the time, 1/2 of those posts wouldn't have been lost....However, If you expect me to tow the fan-boy line for Jurnee.....keep dreaming. Aint going to fucking happen.

[ttango1]

So, not only does Journey have a next to impossible task in charting, in a climate that does NOT cater well to dinosaur acts.....but they have to do it with a singer that no one wants to hear.

Damn, dude...YOU ARE SO TIGHTLY WOUND UP, that a lump of coal in your ass would come out a diamond.

I love how you think you can talk for every "REAL" Journey fan just because you fought the good fight or whatever...Big fuckin deal. I spend my cash just like everyone else does, I've been a fan since I first heard AWYWI when I was a teen. So now I'm 40 years old and I get to listen to your psychobabble bullshit like your entitled.

Fuck that and fuck you.....you put on your pants 1 leg at a time just like the rest of us. You're entitled to an opinion but I'd venture to say that most of the shit that you spew hasn't stuck. Vegas...not going to sell out you say...I was there biatch, that shit was filled to capacity. Said that Pineda would miss his music stand...Didn't see one there did you? Of course not.

But whatever dude, you're a legend...in your own mind. Hang out, keep hating. All someone has to do is read what you post to see who the real sycophant is you. Except, the cause you support is the LISTEN TO SG...I GOT MORE BAD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT JOURNEY.

When Revelation reveals that this current lineup can sell records and sell out concerts, I'm sure you'll find solace in that crawlspace you call MIND OF A REAL JOURNEY FAN.

[Behshad]

I will just say ONE thing to you Frank....... if you wanna talk ORIGINAL ACT, you shouldve stopped listening to Journey once PERRY LEFT......or did you settle for something less original, fed through a tape player, just because he had american blood running through his veins?? so are we talkin about ORIGINAL or talkin about AMERICAN????

[Rockindeano]

Dude, I don't get you anymore.

Arnel is the OBVIOUS choice, not Jeremey and also why hate him? He is living his dream. Would you not do the same thing?

I am sorry for you dude, but Neal made the correct choice, Jeremey couldn't pull off these tunes like AP is or they would have picked him.You need to scat, scoot get the fuck out of here. Seriously. Frank, it's getting tired seeing you bash the band everyday. Real old dude.

The final decision is Arnel is much better than Jeremey, and that isn't open to debate.

[Soto All The Way]

Hey Frank
There was a time when I used to enjoy your posts. You've gone downhill lately, whats goin on ??? I mean I am not a big fan of the new Journey , mainly because of Neal&Co being fucking backstabbers, but I dont come in here and post and spread negativity all the time, do I? I think Arnel is innocent in all aspects and this is his dream come true,,,, he deserves a fair chance, at least from the true fans...
You say you'd love to be optimistic about it, I say you lie through your teeth.... Its one thing to have a strong opinion about this situation but to come here every single time to put the band down, with sarcasm or smart ass comments, will only turn more people against you....
You may say you dont give a fuck what others think of you,,,, which is fine,,, but your posts arent as entertaining as they used to be bro,,,,

Well, a few things. First, I don't give a flying fuck who or what I amuse or piss off here....and I've been hung out and skewered by people here because I don't tow the party line and speak the babble. I don't fucking care. I really don't. If I did...I'd likely have sucked up and starting going "rah rah, I love Arnel, he's the second coming"...because that's what one needs to do around here to be liked. People that are liked by everyone are rarely true to anyone.

Also, I don't really care if you think I'm not being honest. Use you're own filter...but I wouldn't be making your morning coffee with it. Let's get fucking real...I'm probably one of the few honest people left here or elsewhere out there in journey's dwindling internet fan base. I'm not a sycophant. Have I said that I'd like to be optimistic? Absolutely...I'd *like* to be. Does it mean I always am? Absolutely not. Often times, I'm far more realist than optimist. If I were 20-something years old...and I didn't have a *real* good (and accurate) knowledge of what kind of complete back-stabbing prick Neal Schon was. If I didn't have a *real* good knowledge of just how ethically-rich Consolo and co. were . If I didn't see this for what it really is...I could fall in line like a good foot solder and start preaching the good word of this new Journey.

The fact remains that if you're 100% on board with this new line up, I submit that you haven't been a fan long enough. You haven't been tormented through the late 80s, early 90s...with little hope of ever seeing this band get back together.

I'll tell you what. There isn't a single poster here, save for Monker, who's been knee-deep in the online Journey hoopla longer than I. Was my involvement constant? no. But, you wanted to see optimism from me? You should have seen me in 1996, in IRC chats with the Journey faithful back then. NONE of them are still here. They've all seen this stupid charade one too many times. They KNOW how it ends. I *know* how this is going to end. Most people here that don't have my perspective on this, were probably listening to Counting Crows and Blind Melon...back when I was the most active Journey online supporter out there. Hell, the current new crop of Journey carpetbagging fan fuckers are race baiting pieces of shit that probably didn't own a single Journey record until Arnel was announced!

In some sick, demented way, I actually envy some of you people...that are looking at Arnel with this new-found excitement. You think this is going to end smelling like roses. How I would love to be able to get that feeling back! To be able to view Neal as a Guitar God who was larger than life. Right now, all I see is a fuckup of a human being with 5 destroyed marriages, tons of destroyed musical relationships, enough scarring from a bands destroyed legacy to sink a fucking ocean liner and a guy, sad to say, that's starting to reuse guitar licks/riffs....because it's growing apparent that he's creatively spent.

So...sorry if you don't like the fact that I'm not a sycophant suck up. I'm not going to jump on this band wagon, suck some dick around here, lick some anus....and sacrifice my principles, just to make you laugh or win friends and influence people. There are people here who are far better at that than I. I leave that to them.


Me...I'm far more honest....far more real....far more straight forward. I tell it like it is. Certain people can't handle it...because I don't deliver it with perfume and roses. Tough shit. I say what I think...


Now that I've dispensed with all the bullshit. Let's get onto what I said that made you think you could make a statement with...

"Nothing will chart (with any significance) off the new journey record. I'd love to be optimistic here....but it's just not going to happen in today's musical climate."

First, let me state...the above statement is NOT negative. It's honest. Hell. You can insert Def Leppard into the above statement. Extreme. Whitesnake. (and I think the new Whitesnake album is 10X better than anything released by any rock band in the past 4 years). The FACT REMAINS THAT TODAY'S MUSICAL CLIMATE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR SUCCESS BY ROCK BANDS. It's NOT because Arnel is part of this stupid fucking money grab...It's NOT because they're retreading music that should have never been fucking desecrated. It's NOT because this band looks like a bunch of uncle fuckers trying to sell damaged goods....

It's because it's damn fucking hard for rock bands over 25 to sell shit. Go ahead....give me an example of a dinosaur band that is charting right now....or has in the past year. I dare you....you can't do it.

Oh, I know what you're thinking....The Eagles, right? Let's stump ole Frankie with the Eagles.

Sorry, this is where the Arnel difference comes into play....Don Henley is still singing for the Eagles...not some Bovine worshiper from New Delhi or a Taliban opium addict from Afghanistan. People want to see and hear the original act do the original thing. They don't want to see someone that the 3 out of the 5 original members thinks does a halfway decent job of approximating.

So, not only does Journey have a next to impossible task in charting, in a climate that does NOT cater well to dinosaur acts.....but they have to do it with a singer that no one wants to hear. Hell, even the radio DJ announcing "After All These Years" couldn't help herself make comparisons to Steve Perry. How the hell are they going to succeed on the merits of this song when every time it's played, the DJ goes 'well, he sorta sounds like Perry'.

Thats a huge fucking shadow to get out from under. I don't care who you are.


If you want to think happy, happy thoughts and go on thinking this is going to amount to something....go right ahead. Me, I'm being a realist. I give good, all-original bands a 1 in 20 chance at remaking it after 20-30 years given how tough it is out there. A band that is missing the greatest singer to ever live and the greatest drummer to ever live....is never going to get past the word go without someone going "where's Steve? (take your pick as to which one, I dont give a fuck)"


BTW...One other comment. I do not come in here and post nothing but negativity. There are several posts where I come and post constructive/positive. Political posts, the whitesnake post....and hell, if this stupid fucking message board worked half the time, 1/2 of those posts wouldn't have been lost....However, If you expect me to tow the fan-boy line for Jurnee.....keep dreaming. Aint going to fucking happen.

Frank, you just wasted a good 10 minutes of your life on who?

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[Behshad]

but they have to do it with a singer that no one wants to hear.

No one wants to hear a tribute singer. Jeremey, you aren't all that.

Seriously, dude, you aren't that good. not nearly as good as AP.

Getting that idot donnaplease and that cracked grill Sherrie to fawn doesn't count.

[Soto All The Way]

The new song is beautiful, but when I hear Perry sing I want more. You just want more of THAT! His voice tells a story and
you can just get lost in it, but Arnel does a nice job on the new song. I think its a hit.

LIke I said before, I don't think it's fair till we hear the whole album in good quality before we make our judgments.....I think the YouTubes and the MP3's are poor quality. Just can't hear it too well. I think we may all be surprised. The dude does have some fucking pipes. Just needs the book "Dummy Guide to American Language....."lol
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[Behshad]

Frank, you just wasted a good 10 minutes of your life on who?

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dude,,, He just told us his thoughts.... if you think that was a waste of his time, then youre not his true friend...
You are and always will be a fuckin follower,,,but you always fuck up, like you just did with that comment, cause you dont think before you talk(type)

Your 1st post here after that nasty PM should have started with "I'm Sorry Dean" but you dont have the brains to fathem what you said,,,,, I really dont think Frank needs somsone like you to defend him,,, he knows how to speak his mind and defend himself,,,,

[Soto All The Way]

Frank, you just wasted a good 10 minutes of your life on who?

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dude,,, He just told us his thoughts.... if you think that was a waste of his time, then youre not his true friend...
You are and always will be a fuckin follower,,,but you always fuck up, like you just did with that comment, cause you dont think before you talk(type)

Your 1st post here after that nasty PM should have started with "I'm Sorry Dean" but you dont have the brains to fathem what you said,,,,, I really dont think Frank needs somsone like you to defend him,,, he knows how to speak his mind and defend himself,,,,

No, he wasted it on responding to you. I understand his thoughts. I have read them a few places and think they are great. By they way, you use "............................." to separate a thought but continue on the same topic. Not ",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,". Just trying to help a brother out Beshad. Have a great night.

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[Behshad]

Frank, you just wasted a good 10 minutes of your life on who?

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dude,,, He just told us his thoughts.... if you think that was a waste of his time, then youre not his true friend...
You are and always will be a fuckin follower,,,but you always fuck up, like you just did with that comment, cause you dont think before you talk(type)

Your 1st post here after that nasty PM should have started with "I'm Sorry Dean" but you dont have the brains to fathem what you said,,,,, I really dont think Frank needs somsone like you to defend him,,, he knows how to speak his mind and defend himself,,,,

No, he wated it on responding to you. I understand his thoughts. I have read them a few places and think they are great. By they way, you use "............................." to separate a thought but continue on the same topic. Not ",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,". Just trying to help a brother out Beshad. Have a great night.

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and speakin of AMERICAN LANGUAGE FOR DUMMIES,,,, if you gonna suggest it to Arnel, you should look into it yourself,,,,,

[Soto All The Way]

Frank, you just wasted a good 10 minutes of your life on who?

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dude,,, He just told us his thoughts.... if you think that was a waste of his time, then youre not his true friend...
You are and always will be a fuckin follower,,,but you always fuck up, like you just did with that comment, cause you dont think before you talk(type)

Your 1st post here after that nasty PM should have started with "I'm Sorry Dean" but you dont have the brains to fathem what you said,,,,, I really dont think Frank needs somsone like you to defend him,,, he knows how to speak his mind and defend himself,,,,

And by the way, why in the Lord's name would I apologize to Deano? I PM'd him in private and that's how it went. I'm sorry he did not like it. I have several from him that did not make my day(s) in the past. Dang, though, it must be a heck of a PM if you and everyone else knows about it.

Is it making the circuit??? I would have made sure I used correct punctuation if I knew it was going to b passed around. I typed it really fast in between my grandmothers funeral today and heading to the NFL Fan Blitz at Heinz Field.

I respect Deano's response......He put some serious thought into it. Hope he has a great night and day tomorrow. Maybe you guys can help me celebrate my 37th birthday tomorrow. (Actually today now) You can just send Birthday wishes to my PM inbox. Thanks in advance Beshad!!!! I'd like nothing more than to help celebrate mt birthday with some PM's from you guys!!!!

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[strangegrey]

I will just say ONE thing to you Frank....... if you wanna talk ORIGINAL ACT, you shouldve stopped listening to Journey once PERRY LEFT......or did you settle for something less original, fed through a tape player, just because he had american blood running through his veins?? so are we talkin about ORIGINAL or talkin about AMERICAN????

Eh...dude, this is hard to argue with. Should I have just fucking walked after TBF? Some of you know me well enough to know that I've changed my mind on this a bit...something I'm entitled to as is everyone. I *used* to think "Hell, if I can't have Journey with Perry, Journey without is just as good".

As for the original v american thing. Lets not go there unless you really want to talk constructively on it. I'm in no mood to attract the racists and give them more reason to dredge up their hatred and spew their lies. I dont care where Arnel is from....and I'm not the one making the diction cat calls. I've said for quite a long time that I feel Arnel is probably the closest, timbre-wise, to any of them. I feel his timbre float away when he screams...and either that's an inability for him to mimic perry when pushing or a tinge of his originality, depending on you look at it. The fact remains that Arnel is not the reason I'm not supportive of this...unless you want to say that he's the third in a long line of "Look, we got it right this time" redos:roll:

I will say that the carpetbagger syndrome in the Journey fan base does piss me off severely. It makes it more difficult to swallow when Journey, for the vast majority of it's career, focused on the US and Japan....and was largely marketing itself to the US...and no where else. But that's tertiary to this argument.

Dude, I don't get you anymore.

Arnel is the OBVIOUS choice, not Jeremey and also why hate him? He is living his dream. Would you not do the same thing?

I am sorry for you dude, but Neal made the correct choice, Jeremey couldn't pull off these tunes like AP is or they would have picked him.You need to scat, scoot get the fuck out of here. Seriously. Frank, it's getting tired seeing you bash the band everyday. Real old dude.

The final decision is Arnel is much better than Jeremey, and that isn't open to debate.

Dean, I have zero allegiance to Jeremey...While I am friends with people that are, I have to tell you, honestly, that I dont think I would be feeling any different if Jeremey was the new singer. There might be less carpetbaggers in the audience....but other than that, the circumstances are the same.

I also don't hate Arnel....cant blame him for such an opportunity.

Did Neal make the right choice? Eh...I dunno about that. Now that remains to be seen. Neal has a very long history of making very bad business decisions. You can't say this i a good one, until Journey gets out from under Steve Perry's very long shadow. Everything Journey has done since 1996, has been compared in some way to Steve Perry or juxtaposed with him. I define success for Journey with Arnel, perhaps a little differently than you. Success really is whether or not they get out from under Steve Perry's shadow. I personally think that the net effect is no different than whether or not you had Augeri or JSS singing for the band. However, with a guy that is so directly comparable to Perry, it's going to actually be harder, not easier. They had a better chance with JSS...and I liked his voice in Journey, the least.

As far as you thinking I need to leave here....you might be right. But not for the reasons you think...under those circumstances, I'll happy say bye bye, when you're gone as well.

[The_Noble_Cause]

However, with a guy that is so directly comparable to Perry, it's going to actually be harder, not easier. They had a better chance with JSS...and I liked his voice in Journey, the least.

Yup.
And Jeff was capable of channeling Perry pretty uncannily at times, too.
From a business perspective, this has been a clusterfuck.
Who is Arnel?
What does he bring to the table?
How does he bring Journey into the 21st century?
At least Chalfant and Jeff are accomplished musicians.
With "Tall Stores" and "Tyketto" under his belt, many of us pretended Augeri was hired for his songwriting abilities, in addition to just his voice.
Of course, we all know how that era turned out.

Clearly, the band is not in the market for a frontman and hasn't been for some time.
They just want a singer.