Arnel vs. Perry = SILLY

[NealIsGod]

LOL...I was actually laughing when I wrote it...

You laugh? I don't believe it.

[strangegrey]

Dude, I laugh every time I see your avatar and see Neal wearing that woman's black velvet exercise jacket with the varying shades of pink on the elastic wasteband...that shit's too fucking funny.

Between Neal wearing that jacket, and the two steve's wearing womens jordache jeans hiked up past their bellybuttons....and the obvious fact that all these fuckers were from san francisco, you can't help but wonder whether or not the whole band was a case of the village people.

However, seriously speaking, the only guy in the band that probably takes a beefy steamer up the poop hole, is the guy from Chicago that took Gregg Rolie's place, ole twinkle toes.

[Melissa]

They just shouldn't have touched the classics.

Why the fuck not? Several schools of thought here:

1) Wal Mart mandated they be redone before they signed off on the new package. Fine by me.
2) It serves as a big "FUCK YOU, SnupplePerrygus!" Fine by be again.
3) It was the band's way of saying, "Here's our new singer. If you like what you hear come out and see a show this summer. If not, grab your Escape cassette, go sit in your Smokey And The Bandit 1977 Trans Am, run a hose from the exhaust into the car, seal any holes with duct tape, and enjoy."

4) They did the re-records so they have something to lip to when they go on Dancing with the Stars, like Leppard shamelessly did recently. Anyone see that?

I did see that, quite painful, lol.

[Saint John]

LOL...I was actually laughing when I wrote it...

Which is exactly what I do as well when I'm composing my posts, but the Loons/bull horns always assert that we're filled with "anger." Utter bullshit, or as Andrew would say, "poppycock."

[Rhiannon]

4) They did the re-records so they have something to lip to when they go on Dancing with the Stars, like Leppard shamelessly did recently. Anyone see that?

I did see that, quite painful, lol.

Yes, what a major ouch.

[Saint John]

Dude, I laugh every time I see your avatar and see Neal wearing that woman's black velvet exercise jacket with the varying shades of pink on the elastic wasteband...that shit's too fucking funny.

Schon looks like he should be holding a fucking can of "Tab" rather than a guitar.

[bluejeangirl76]

Dude, I laugh every time I see your avatar and see Neal wearing that woman's black velvet exercise jacket with the varying shades of pink on the elastic wasteband...that shit's too fucking funny.

Between Neal wearing that jacket, and the two steve's wearing womens jordache jeans hiked up past their bellybuttons....and the obvious fact that all these fuckers were from san francisco, you can't help but wonder whether or not the whole band was a case of the village people.

However, seriously speaking, the only guy in the band that probably takes a beefy steamer up the poop hole, is the guy from Chicago that took Gregg Rolie's place.

Now... THAT post is twice as funny as the 1st one.

"beefy steamer up the poop hole"

(I swear, today will be the day someone comes along, uses this PC when I walk away, and "beefy steamer up the poop hole" will still be on the clipboard and end up in someone's business proposal.)

[Badcotune]

So really....comparing the two, is no different than trying to compare ruth to maris.....ones dead, ones alive and slagging away.

Yeah, umm... that was actually the point of my post and why the comparisons are SILLY if-- you'd. slow. down. and. actually. read. But I wasn't as eloquent.

And I love the "who give's a f--" rants that spend several paragraphs qualifying and underscoring why they SO "give a f--" Funny stuff.

P.s. Foamy is great!

~Badcotune

[strangegrey]

Yeah, umm... that was actually the point of my post if-- you'd. slow. down. and. actually. read.
But I wasn't as eloquent.

I did read it...I was responding more to the people that either did or would eventually come in with the Perry comments

[strangegrey]

Schon looks like he should be holding a fucking can of "Tab" rather than a guitar.

LOL! Yeah....and look at his jeans in that shot too....He's got em hiked up like that as well...unreal.


I remember going to a Steve Smith drum clinic back in the 90s. And he comes out...and my friend and I look at eachother and go "what the fuck is up with those jeans!!!!" he literally had them hiked up to like 3 inches under his nipples. WTF!?!?!

my friend (who was the drummer) goes "dude, he's the greatest drummer to ever live, but the guy's got less fashion sense than Boy George"

[bluejeangirl76]

Dude, I laugh every time I see your avatar and see Neal wearing that woman's black velvet exercise jacket with the varying shades of pink on the elastic wasteband...that shit's too fucking funny.

Schon looks like he should be holding a fucking can of "Tab" rather than a guitar.

He looks more like that can of Tab has just been shoved square where the sun don't shine.
Either that's a man enjoying his craft or that's a man taking one for (or possibly from) the team.

[Saint John]

Schon looks like he should be holding a fucking can of "Tab" rather than a guitar.

LOL! Yeah....and look at his jeans in that shot too....He's got em hiked up like that as well...unreal.


I remember going to a Steve Smith drum clinic back in the 90s. And he comes out...and my friend and I look at eachother and go "what the fuck is up with those jeans!!!!" he literally had them hiked up to like 3 inches under his nipples. WTF!?!?!

my friend (who was the drummer) goes "dude, he's the greatest drummer to ever live, but the guy's got less fashion sense than Boy George"

.....drumming aside, Steve Smith is about as masculine as Jim J. Bullock. You just knew Bullock was a chocolate stuffer after watching about 6 minutes of Too Close For Comfort.

[YoungJRNY]

This post is just one opinion, and won't likely sway either camp, but here we go anyway. The facts as I see them.

Steve Perry is considered the definitive vocalist of Journey. Accepted truth. It's accepted truth by fans and from within the band that he put them on the map. It's also acknowledged that the reverse is also true -- Journey put Steve Perry on the map.

In his prime, Steve Perry sang with a power, conviction, and passion that many consider will never be matched by Journey ever again. I agree. But most with working ears have to acknowledge that father time has marched on, and while the emotion is there, Perry's power is gone. A 60 year old (give or take) simply does not have the biological tools of a 30-40 year old, nor is he expected to.(one exception being paul rodgers who is a freak of nature and actually sounds better NOW) Even if Perry had the Power to match his existing emotion -- one vital component is missing and has been for over a decade: DESIRE. If Perry COULD -- he has CHOSEN to NOT.

Arnel is not Steve Perry in his prime. But then, neither is Steve Perry anymore. What Arnel is however, is a remarkable, powerful, and unique singer in his own right. In my opinion he is the BEST POSSIBLE singer for Journey NOW -- in 2008. In 2009 and beyond. Steve Perry couldn't hit the notes with the clarity Arnel did on the re-records if he recorded them NOW. But Perry doesn't have to because he did it better THEN.

My point it that while comparisons are inevitable -- particularly when you invite them by re-recording the greatest hits, the endless debate and even anger towards Arnel is silly. All of us have a past, present, and future. One is more favored and loved than others. But don't let what was forever eclipse what is and can be, because what was is memory. Arnel Pineda is what's right and what's BEST for NOW, not THEN. Let's let him be that and wish the man the best...


~Badcotune

**Standing Ovation**

[brywool]

Schon looks like he should be holding a fucking can of "Tab" rather than a guitar.

LOL! Yeah....and look at his jeans in that shot too....He's got em hiked up like that as well...unreal.


I remember going to a Steve Smith drum clinic back in the 90s. And he comes out...and my friend and I look at eachother and go "what the fuck is up with those jeans!!!!" he literally had them hiked up to like 3 inches under his nipples. WTF!?!?!

my friend (who was the drummer) goes "dude, he's the greatest drummer to ever live, but the guy's got less fashion sense than Boy George"

.....drumming aside, Steve Smith is about as masculine as Jim J. Bullock. You just knew Bullock was a chocolate stuffer after watching about 6 minutes of Too Close For Comfort.

So SJ, I've noticing you making quite a few 'gay-oriented' posts in the past few days. Do you have something you'd like to share with the group?

[Journey/Survivor]

This post is just one opinion, and won't likely sway either camp, but here we go anyway. The facts as I see them.

Steve Perry is considered the definitive vocalist of Journey. Accepted truth. It's accepted truth by fans and from within the band that he put them on the map. It's also acknowledged that the reverse is also true -- Journey put Steve Perry on the map.

In his prime, Steve Perry sang with a power, conviction, and passion that many consider will never be matched by Journey ever again. I agree. But most with working ears have to acknowledge that father time has marched on, and while the emotion is there, Perry's power is gone. A 60 year old (give or take) simply does not have the biological tools of a 30-40 year old, nor is he expected to.(one exception being paul rodgers who is a freak of nature and actually sounds better NOW) Even if Perry had the Power to match his existing emotion -- one vital component is missing and has been for over a decade: DESIRE. If Perry COULD -- he has CHOSEN to NOT.

Arnel is not Steve Perry in his prime. But then, neither is Steve Perry anymore. What Arnel is however, is a remarkable, powerful, and unique singer in his own right. In my opinion he is the BEST POSSIBLE singer for Journey NOW -- in 2008. In 2009 and beyond. Steve Perry couldn't hit the notes with the clarity Arnel did on the re-records if he recorded them NOW. But Perry doesn't have to because he did it better THEN.

My point it that while comparisons are inevitable -- particularly when you invite them by re-recording the greatest hits, the endless debate and even anger towards Arnel is silly. All of us have a past, present, and future. One is more favored and loved than others. But don't let what was forever eclipse what is and can be, because what was is memory. Arnel Pineda is what's right and what's BEST for NOW, not THEN. Let's let him be that and wish the man the best...


~Badcotune

Great post, you hit the nail right on the head.

[MrsPerry]

Agreed on all counts.

Who cares on any count?

Obviously not the oxygen challenged that spend time and energy reading and
commenting on things they are apathetic about. Not them.

~Badcotune

wait just a damn minute, when did someone cut off the o2 supply?

and another thing, i didn't notice the waistband on Neal's jacket was pink till strangegrey pointed it out. Interesting indeed.

[Journey/Survivor]

Nice post, Neal, but I saw the singer you should have picked last weekend.

Who was that?

[Journey/Survivor]

It's their music and if they want to re record it, they should be able to.

Thank you!

[Journey/Survivor]

So really....comparing the two, is no different than trying to compare ruth to maris.....ones dead, ones alive and slagging away. I'm going to pat the fucker that's still doing it on his back and go "thanks for fighting the good fight, short fry. I appreciate it"

I'm not sure if you were only referring to Ruth and Maris, or if you were speaking figuratively about Perry being "dead?"

But just in case you were only talking about Ruth and Maris, Maris is also dead, he died of cancer several years ago.

[tammy]

This post is just one opinion, and won't likely sway either camp, but here we go anyway. The facts as I see them.

Steve Perry is considered the definitive vocalist of Journey. Accepted truth. It's accepted truth by fans and from within the band that he put them on the map. It's also acknowledged that the reverse is also true -- Journey put Steve Perry on the map.

In his prime, Steve Perry sang with a power, conviction, and passion that many consider will never be matched by Journey ever again. I agree. But most with working ears have to acknowledge that father time has marched on, and while the emotion is there, Perry's power is gone. A 60 year old (give or take) simply does not have the biological tools of a 30-40 year old, nor is he expected to.(one exception being paul rodgers who is a freak of nature and actually sounds better NOW) Even if Perry had the Power to match his existing emotion -- one vital component is missing and has been for over a decade: DESIRE. If Perry COULD -- he has CHOSEN to NOT.

Arnel is not Steve Perry in his prime. But then, neither is Steve Perry anymore. What Arnel is however, is a remarkable, powerful, and unique singer in his own right. In my opinion he is the BEST POSSIBLE singer for Journey NOW -- in 2008. In 2009 and beyond. Steve Perry couldn't hit the notes with the clarity Arnel did on the re-records if he recorded them NOW. But Perry doesn't have to because he did it better THEN.

My point it that while comparisons are inevitable -- particularly when you invite them by re-recording the greatest hits, the endless debate and even anger towards Arnel is silly. All of us have a past, present, and future. One is more favored and loved than others. But don't let what was forever eclipse what is and can be, because what was is memory. Arnel Pineda is what's right and what's BEST for NOW, not THEN. Let's let him be that and wish the man the best...


~Badcotune

Yep, I agree. Obviously, I love SP to bits and he'll always be my favorite no matter what, I accept that Arnel has an amazing gift, too and was the right choice at this time (please let this be the last time!).

[mistiejourney]

Nice post, Neal, but I saw the singer you should have picked last weekend.

LOL - you really think that's Neal?

And who did you see last weekend?

[mistiejourney]

Ok...I've read Frank's post 3 or 4 times now, and I must say that it just gets funnier and funnier every time I read it. Easily one of the 20 funniest posts I've ever read here. And don't kid yourselves, it's also loaded with spot on assertions.

Agreed!

[Moon Beam]

Posting just to tell you all that my belly is shaking biggly over your efforts here. thank ya muchly.

[Red13JoePa]

This thread is going to Cooperstown for the comedy of Dan and Francois.

[fredinator]

You're no slouch yourself, Red13JoePa--been chuckling over several of your posts the last few days .

[annie89509]

Speaking about "jeans up to the nipples," you guys seem to to forget that 80's fashion jeans were high-waisted (not the hip-huggers that is in vogue nowadays). And, being short guys, with proportionally small hips and torsos, it's going to look and sit extra-high on the waist. I am speaking from my own experience wearing pants of that era.

[tammy]

lol. And, I'll take the "high waisted" over the current style of showing the B.C. & tatoo...not everyone should wear that look!

[Vladan]

This post is just one opinion, and won't likely sway either camp, but here we go anyway. The facts as I see them.

Steve Perry is considered the definitive vocalist of Journey. Accepted truth. It's accepted truth by fans and from within the band that he put them on the map. It's also acknowledged that the reverse is also true -- Journey put Steve Perry on the map.

In his prime, Steve Perry sang with a power, conviction, and passion that many consider will never be matched by Journey ever again. I agree. But most with working ears have to acknowledge that father time has marched on, and while the emotion is there, Perry's power is gone. A 60 year old (give or take) simply does not have the biological tools of a 30-40 year old, nor is he expected to.(one exception being paul rodgers who is a freak of nature and actually sounds better NOW) Even if Perry had the Power to match his existing emotion -- one vital component is missing and has been for over a decade: DESIRE. If Perry COULD -- he has CHOSEN to NOT.

Arnel is not Steve Perry in his prime. But then, neither is Steve Perry anymore. What Arnel is however, is a remarkable, powerful, and unique singer in his own right. In my opinion he is the BEST POSSIBLE singer for Journey NOW -- in 2008. In 2009 and beyond. Steve Perry couldn't hit the notes with the clarity Arnel did on the re-records if he recorded them NOW. But Perry doesn't have to because he did it better THEN.

My point it that while comparisons are inevitable -- particularly when you invite them by re-recording the greatest hits, the endless debate and even anger towards Arnel is silly. All of us have a past, present, and future. One is more favored and loved than others. But don't let what was forever eclipse what is and can be, because what was is memory. Arnel Pineda is what's right and what's BEST for NOW, not THEN. Let's let him be that and wish the man the best...


~Badcotune

Agreed!. A well measured and thruthfull topic and post. Well said on all counts. Personally! I would prefer to listen to Perry now over Arnel, just because it's Steve Perry, and no other reason, and that's a personal preference, and if all was well with the band and Perry, and Perry himself - I have no doubt he would be still fronting the band, however! he is not, for whatever reason.

[NealIsGod]

Dude, I laugh every time I see your avatar and see Neal wearing that woman's black velvet exercise jacket with the varying shades of pink on the elastic wasteband...that shit's too fucking funny.

Well played. But only Neal could make it look somewhat cool.

[bluejeangirl76]

Dude, I laugh every time I see your avatar and see Neal wearing that woman's black velvet exercise jacket with the varying shades of pink on the elastic wasteband...that shit's too fucking funny.

Well played. But only Neal could make it look somewhat cool.

Does "cool" mean something else where you come from?