All Revelation Sound Clips (so far)...

[Red13JoePa]

Were Neal and Jon supposed to go audition people cleaning shit out of turkey coops or from Gap to Gap asking the regional maintenance managers to sing? Would that have been more "legit" for some of you?

Ok this & the tennis ball post earlier here have me laughing to tears.....

Ha!

Yea, they walk in to Gaps and go, "Dude while you're changing that lightbulb can you rip off some scales for us real quick?"

[JH'sTXfan]

Were Neal and Jon supposed to go audition people cleaning shit out of turkey coops or from Gap to Gap asking the regional maintenance managers to sing? Would that have been more "legit" for some of you?

Ok this & the tennis ball post earlier here have me laughing to tears.....

Ha!

Yea, they walk in to Gaps and go, "Dude while you're changing that lightbulp can you rip off some scales for us real quick?"

[frfksakes]

His voice is so shot now and yes I do feel pretty sure about this... Listen to any interview from 2000 to today and when he laughs you can hear it. His laugh is completely broken, distorted and he sounds like Joe pecci !

Listen to older interviews and you dont hear this. Laughter takes your voice to a higher register and you can tell his upper register is shot all to hell

Again, you don’t know that - speculations based on nothing.

In that old ‘All in the family’ skit, Perry’s speaking voice is quite “Joe pecci” like.

He sounded like he was taking a crap to hit every high note. It was like he was barley making it on all of the old material and this was 94. I would have loved to see that tour anyway. …. All I am saying is that he could not do justice in the Journey of today unless you dont mind the songs being tuned down 2 steps or more.

Bullshit. I was lucky enough to see him in '94, have several bootlegs, and he handled the 'old material' very well. There are some really bad boots out there, lol, but there are plenty of great examples from that tour, as well.
And, at least for me, it's never been just about the high notes. That intangible quality to his voice that makes some of us loons, lol, was definitely still there. & his FTLOSM material was SO much better live, just great. (I've always preferred his voice live)

[Melissa]

Were Neal and Jon supposed to go audition people cleaning shit out of turkey coops or from Gap to Gap asking the regional maintenance managers to sing? Would that have been more "legit" for some of you?

Ok this & the tennis ball post earlier here have me laughing to tears.....

Ha!

Yea, they walk in to Gaps and go, "Dude while you're changing that lightbulp can you rip off some scales for us real quick?"

[Rhiannon]

Yea, they walk in to Gaps and go, "Dude while you're changing that lightbulp can you rip off some scales for us real quick?"

What's a lightbulp?

[frfksakes]

I agree with LD's sentiments on "soap opera". Well said.
.

After tapegate, and the whole JSS debacle, Perry is the 'soap opera?'


I don't care if you love this version of Jrny, but you really need to stop drinking their Kool-Aid.

[Liquid_Drummer]

Schon retire ??? Watch.. If he can play he will still be doing it when he is 95 years old I fucking promise you. He has been going since Santana damn near non stop. Always busy with something even if it wasnt released. He is hooked on life on the road and think he loves it and will continue to play until he can no longer do it. I think Perry would have been the same way if his voice didnt shit out on him. Lucky he had tons of great excuses to keep everyone on the edge for how many fucking years ? I am glad they didnt wait on him in 98 because they would STILL BE WAITING I fucking promise you that. Maybe he tried to get his old voice back and worked with a coach (insert hip injury here). Wasnt he working with a coach during FTLOSM tour and still had his pipes go out resulting in a canceled tour ?

It looks like a voice like that wasnt meant to last that long at that level. The same will happen to Arnel in time because thats what happens when you age however I think that Asian people age a little better than other races. We will see wont we...

[brywool]

I agree with LD's sentiments on "soap opera". Well said.
.

After tapegate, and the whole JSS debacle, Perry is the 'soap opera?'


I don't care if you love this version of Jrny, but you really need to stop drinking their Kool-Aid.

Right, the whole thing's a soap opera, but Perry sits there saying he was never part of the band, blah blah blah, Oh I might do something blah blah blah, I think about doing something all the time blah blah blah...

At least Augeri and Jss are keeping quiet about stuff (granted, it's still early in the game) but Perry comes across as a victim "ooh, journey destroyed my personal life" etc.

Just get tired of him whining about it- and I love the guy, but it's dissapointing. If he wanted to be singing, he WOULD be.
He was also the guy that left him in limbo for years, then finally stranded.

Sorry, but I've go no sympathy for Perry (though I love the guy)

[Liquid_Drummer]

His voice is so shot now and yes I do feel pretty sure about this... Listen to any interview from 2000 to today and when he laughs you can hear it. His laugh is completely broken, distorted and he sounds like Joe pecci !

Listen to older interviews and you dont hear this. Laughter takes your voice to a higher register and you can tell his upper register is shot all to hell

Again, you don’t know that - speculations based on nothing.

In that old ‘All in the family’ skit, Perry’s speaking voice is quite “Joe pecci” like.

He sounded like he was taking a crap to hit every high note. It was like he was barley making it on all of the old material and this was 94. I would have loved to see that tour anyway. …. All I am saying is that he could not do justice in the Journey of today unless you dont mind the songs being tuned down 2 steps or more.

Bullshit. I DID see him in '94, and have several bootlegs. There are some bad boots out there, but there are plenty of great examples from that tour as well.
And, at least for me, it's never been just about the high notes. There is an intangible quality in his voice that is unique to him, and that was still there in 94. And, as it always was for me, esp live. His FTLOSM material was great & SO much better live.

I agree its not about the high notes. I am sure he could still sing. But not Journey new or old. That is all I am saying. I dont want to hear Issac Hayes sing DSB ok ? AND I dont want to hear the catalog sung downtuned like the Bill Graham tribute. He set the damn bar soooo fucking high that most mortals cant reach it.. Emotion... Unmatched.. Passion... Unmatched.. I will never dispute that..... Range......



FUCKED !

Ya know, even if he did release an album I bet 10 to one that it would be mostly ballads and I am getting a little sick of ballads. I WANNA ROCK !! Even on the new cd the ballads will have to grow on me. As great as After all these years is I am just not in that kind of musical mood right now. I can tell its a kilelr tune but Sunshower and a few others have my interest way more. Musically ballads are a tossed salad to me. I want a fucking 16oz steak with a side of fucking A.

[frfksakes]

whatever

these aren't even my faves, but they're handy, lol:

Cupid '94
http://download.yousendit.com/865D26640B741864

Stand Up '94
http://download.yousendit.com/396CD3F606005947

Let it Be Me '94
http://download.yousendit.com/41DCB2FF7486DF6E

~ later

(ps, brywool: I DO get your frustration about all of Perry's "promises," lol.
Sure, he's entitled to do whatever he wants, but it still chaps my butt
I'd just love to have much much more music from him. )

[Matthew]

I'm even looking forward to hearing the dirty 11 for the first time in a long time, I expect them to sound better than the originals.

I've heard it all now....

Surely your most bizarre comment to date NMT?

[Saint John]

After tapegate, and the whole JSS debacle, Perry is the 'soap opera?'

JSS was released. There was no "debacle." Would it have made you feel better if they threw him a going away party in the kid's section at McDonalds? He was paid for services rendered and that's the bottom line. To feel that they are somehow infinitely indebted to him for saving the Lippard tour is preposterous. He was paid handsomely for his 11 months of service. Most singers of his journeyman status would kill for the opportunity he had.

[Red13JoePa]

I'm even looking forward to hearing the dirty 11 for the first time in a long time, I expect them to sound better than the originals.

I've heard it all now....

Surely your most bizarre comment to date NMT?

Well, they won't be as treasured by most but I think they're going to be technically superior as well.

[Barb]

Would it have made you feel better if they threw him a going away party in the kid's section at McDonalds?

You're on quite a roll today, aren't you?

[Saint John]

Would it have made you feel better if they threw him a going away party in the kid's section at McDonalds?

You're on quite a roll today, aren't you?

I was bound to have a funny post or two within my 7 THOUSAND. It's kind of like Perry missing a note...it took a lot of years, but it did happen.

[fredinator]

Dang, Liquid Drummer, you're on a roll, too!! LOL, love the t-bone, etc., comment. I feel pretty much the same way you do.

[Matthew]

I'm even looking forward to hearing the dirty 11 for the first time in a long time, I expect them to sound better than the originals.

I've heard it all now....

Surely your most bizarre comment to date NMT?

Well, they won't be as treasured by most but I think they're going to be technically superior as well.

What do you mean by by "technically" superior? Other than the sophistication of technology used in the production I can't think how this comment makes any sense. Schon's playing isn't technically superior. It's different but what he's doing now requires no more skill than his playing did twenty years ago. (And let's not even get into the question of whether or not he still has a unique, soulful style compared to the way he played 70s and 80s). The vocals and the drumming are inferior in terms of the skill required. And Ross sounds like he always does. Solid.

If there is any else to signify technical superiority in these lousy clips from Walmart then let do me know...

Anyway...I think you and NMT are just trying to wind up the classic Journey diehards once again...and I can't believe I rose to the bait again!

[Red13JoePa]

I actually think they're going to make the songs better.

I think all the players are playing better so it's a simple as that. Add in the sophistication of equipment and studios now.

[NealIsGod]

I actually think they're going to make the songs better.

I think all the players are playing better so it's a simple as that. Add in the sophistication of equipment and studios now.

Dude, those songs as they exist are time capsules of the band. No way they sound better re-recording them after they have spent their lives playing them ad nauseum. Even Arnel must be sick of them by now.

[Rick]

I actually think they're going to make the songs better.

I think all the players are playing better so it's a simple as that. Add in the sophistication of equipment and studios now.

Dude, those songs as they exist are time capsules of the band. No way they sound better re-recording them after they have spent their lives playing them ad nauseum. Even Arnel must be sick of them by now.

I agree. I'll always like the originals better I'm sure, with a couple of exceptions. There are a few songs where I like the concert version better. If they would rerecord those in that version, I'd like it better. WITS, LTS, and a few others have more guitar breaks in them in the concert variation and I love that.

[Liquid_Drummer]

whatever

these aren't even my faves, but they're handy, lol:

Cupid '94
http://download.yousendit.com/865D26640B741864

Stand Up '94
http://download.yousendit.com/396CD3F606005947

Let it Be Me '94
http://download.yousendit.com/41DCB2FF7486DF6E

~ later

(ps, brywool: I DO get your frustration about all of Perry's "promises," lol.
Sure, he's entitled to do whatever he wants, but it still chaps my butt
I'd just love to have much much more music from him. )

He sounds great on these but somehow I feel like Im looking in a casket going.. He looks umm great doesnt he ? My point is he sounds great on these but none of them are Journey tunes. Well the cupid thing sort of. I am sure he is viable as a solo artist and due to his limitations vocally that would be his best choice. Hearing many boots from this tour I have to say that he sounds great on the FTLOSM songs and sounds fair on later Journey. On early Journey he sounds so forced. Keep in mind that even the FTLOSM stuff is half step down and that right there is very telling. I wish this wasnt the case and it would be great if he came out with a great cd full of climactic vocals but I just cant see it happening. The condition of his voice has always been a debate. He will never admit anything and no one ever asks him when interviewed because it is probably on the no-no list. Herbie tells all and I for one believe him. Funny after that last interview that Andrew did with HH that someone instantly comes from the Steve camp and knows for fact that he can sing. I am sure he can sing but does it sound like Steve Perry or someone singing with a chest cold ? I mean if you want to be technical about it Neal Young can sing too.

It isnt like he lost his penis or something. If I were SP I would just say. Hey ! I cant sing like that anymore because I am older. Life's a bitch isnt it ? Well in those clips you hear that Magic and he has it in his voice and it does not require Journey to harness that. I do dislike the backing vocals on that tour. One of those guys has an annoying voice that is always too loud in the mix....

[Deb]

He sounds great on these but somehow I feel like Im looking in a casket going.. He looks umm great doesnt he ? My point is he sounds great on these but none of them are Journey tunes. Well the cupid thing sort of. I am sure he is viable as a solo artist and due to his limitations vocally that would be his best choice. Hearing many boots from this tour I have to say that he sounds great on the FTLOSM songs and sounds fair on later Journey. On early Journey he sounds so forced. Keep in mind that even the FTLOSM stuff is half step down and that right there is very telling. I wish this wasnt the case and it would be great if he came out with a great cd full of climactic vocals but I just cant see it happening. The condition of his voice has always been a debate. He will never admit anything and no one ever asks him when interviewed because it is probably on the no-no list. Herbie tells all and I for one believe him. Funny after that last interview that Andrew did with HH that someone instantly comes from the Steve camp and knows for fact that he can sing. I am sure he can sing but does it sound like Steve Perry or someone singing with a chest cold ? I mean if you want to be technical about it Neal Young can sing too.

It isnt like he lost his penis or something. If I were SP I would just say. Hey ! I cant sing like that anymore because I am older. Life's a bitch isnt it ? Well in those clips you hear that Magic and he has it in his voice and it does not require Journey to harness that. I do dislike the backing vocals on that tour. One of those guys has an annoying voice that is always too loud in the mix....

I guess that is where we differ, I don't need to be told that he can't sing like that anymore. The man is almost 60, of course his voice isn't going to sound like it did on the late 70s/early 80s Journey material. But I actually prefer the huskier, grittier, more emotive later vocals. I find them more soulful and raw. That's probably the main reason I like Eric Martin's and JSS's vocals too.

[brywool]

whatever

these aren't even my faves, but they're handy, lol:

Cupid '94
http://download.yousendit.com/865D26640B741864

Stand Up '94
http://download.yousendit.com/396CD3F606005947

Let it Be Me '94
http://download.yousendit.com/41DCB2FF7486DF6E

~ later

(ps, brywool: I DO get your frustration about all of Perry's "promises," lol.
Sure, he's entitled to do whatever he wants, but it still chaps my butt
I'd just love to have much much more music from him. )

I've got all these clips. He sang well, but the JOURNEY songs were in lower keys. He's can do vocal runs like nobody's business, has tons of feeling, but as for what he has now, Dang, did you hear him speak in the BTM? Oh my god, his voice was wasted.

Come on Steve... You can stop these arguments. Put out something that'll blow us away. I'm not saying he can't sing. I'm saying his voice is a shadow of what it was. I'd take even that, but he'd rather sit out and do nothing. Oh well. I'll take Arnel. Arnel sounds great to me. I can't hear Perry, I'll take Arnel.

[brywool]

He sounds great on these but somehow I feel like Im looking in a casket going.. He looks umm great doesnt he ? My point is he sounds great on these but none of them are Journey tunes. Well the cupid thing sort of. I am sure he is viable as a solo artist and due to his limitations vocally that would be his best choice. Hearing many boots from this tour I have to say that he sounds great on the FTLOSM songs and sounds fair on later Journey. On early Journey he sounds so forced. Keep in mind that even the FTLOSM stuff is half step down and that right there is very telling. I wish this wasnt the case and it would be great if he came out with a great cd full of climactic vocals but I just cant see it happening. The condition of his voice has always been a debate. He will never admit anything and no one ever asks him when interviewed because it is probably on the no-no list. Herbie tells all and I for one believe him. Funny after that last interview that Andrew did with HH that someone instantly comes from the Steve camp and knows for fact that he can sing. I am sure he can sing but does it sound like Steve Perry or someone singing with a chest cold ? I mean if you want to be technical about it Neal Young can sing too.

It isnt like he lost his penis or something. If I were SP I would just say. Hey ! I cant sing like that anymore because I am older. Life's a bitch isnt it ? Well in those clips you hear that Magic and he has it in his voice and it does not require Journey to harness that. I do dislike the backing vocals on that tour. One of those guys has an annoying voice that is always too loud in the mix....

I guess that is where we differ, I don't need to be told that he can't sing like that anymore. The man is almost 60, of course his voice isn't going to sound like it did on the late 70s/early 80s Journey material. But I actually prefer the huskier, grittier, more emotive later vocals. I find them more soulful and raw. That's probably the main reason I like Eric Martin's and JSS's vocals too.

I notice in almost every post, you mention Eric Martin. Dang, you got it bad for him, dontchya?

[Deb]

He sounds great on these but somehow I feel like Im looking in a casket going.. He looks umm great doesnt he ? My point is he sounds great on these but none of them are Journey tunes. Well the cupid thing sort of. I am sure he is viable as a solo artist and due to his limitations vocally that would be his best choice. Hearing many boots from this tour I have to say that he sounds great on the FTLOSM songs and sounds fair on later Journey. On early Journey he sounds so forced. Keep in mind that even the FTLOSM stuff is half step down and that right there is very telling. I wish this wasnt the case and it would be great if he came out with a great cd full of climactic vocals but I just cant see it happening. The condition of his voice has always been a debate. He will never admit anything and no one ever asks him when interviewed because it is probably on the no-no list. Herbie tells all and I for one believe him. Funny after that last interview that Andrew did with HH that someone instantly comes from the Steve camp and knows for fact that he can sing. I am sure he can sing but does it sound like Steve Perry or someone singing with a chest cold ? I mean if you want to be technical about it Neal Young can sing too.

It isnt like he lost his penis or something. If I were SP I would just say. Hey ! I cant sing like that anymore because I am older. Life's a bitch isnt it ? Well in those clips you hear that Magic and he has it in his voice and it does not require Journey to harness that. I do dislike the backing vocals on that tour. One of those guys has an annoying voice that is always too loud in the mix....

I guess that is where we differ, I don't need to be told that he can't sing like that anymore. The man is almost 60, of course his voice isn't going to sound like it did on the late 70s/early 80s Journey material. But I actually prefer the huskier, grittier, more emotive later vocals. I find them more soulful and raw. That's probably the main reason I like Eric Martin's and JSS's vocals too.

I notice in almost every post, you mention Eric Martin. Dang, you got it bad for him, dontchya?

LOL, I DO love his voice. Yep, I got a thing for soulful vocals.

I'd take a vocalist that can throw down a rocker with passion and a ballad with soul.......over 'high range' any day.

[EightyRock]

Sounds great, but as others have mentioned, where are the rockers?

With each passing album, Neal promises to take off the gloves and then fails to deliver.
"Wildest Dream" seems to be as hard as it gets.
I hesistate to say this, but I think TBF may have rocked harder.
Does anything on here so far measure up to MOL, OM, or ICSIIYE?

Most of this album seems to be filled with midtempo anthems in the line of the second Storm album - which is perfectly fine, if not for the fact that Neal is always promising to restore the band to its Escape-roots.
Who needs Perry when you have Cain dictating the sound?

I've always maintained that Cain was the one who took Journey down the wedding/anniversary songbook route....not Perry. I think Neal backed off from the writing process when Cain and Perry formed a partnership, based on the success of Open Arms and Faithfully. Cain and Perry wrote differently from Schon and Perry. If we look at some of the stuff Schon and Perry wrote prior to the Frigameister arriving, it supports that theory. Sony demanded that Journey's CD's were rife with ballads, since they brought in the cash. TBF became ballad heavy due solely to label pressure. I'd love to hear the rockers that didn't make the cut on TBF. OM kicks ass and Perry and Schon smoke on it.

Neal was cut off at the knees after getting free reign on Red13. I remember Cain's remarks about them "losing their asses" by letting Neal rock it up on that EP. By going "back to their legacy sound" as Cain puts it, having KS do the CD, etc., that says to me that Cain has got Neal convinced that ballads are Journey's forte.

Does anything so far measure up to MOL or OM? From what I've heard, definitely not.

As far as past rockers that fans love....I wonder how much of Stone in Love people really think Cain had a part in writing? I mean, seriously. But then again, Cain and Schon now want to take credit for everything Journey has done. Now they can take ALL the credit for ALL the stinking ballads and mid tempo snoozers on Revelations.

[Calbear94]

Out of Harm's Way rocks pretty hard, Drew.

But it's melodic, too. Not just aimless shredding. I know this isn't Soul Sirkus or Hardline, but I had hoped for at least one or two new tracks in this same vein.

Yeah, me too, but I guess those days are over.

And...good riddens! I don't hear a melody in that song at all.

[Calbear94]

Holy Mother of God This album is MINE!

What a sound, great new tunes without any really weak songs, IMO

And it's really nice to see Arnel handle the classics so well!

Perry is still number one in my book tho. I just think he has a stronger natural talent for intonation and a soulfulness that Arnel doesn't have to the same degree. Perhaps it's the Sam Cook thing?

You could argue that Perry if he was to rejoin Journey couldn't sing as forcefully as Arnel. I really think that's beside the point. Perry's voiced matured and rasped years ago and I'm sure he would sound the same now if he recorded anything. He would still rock with Journey, along the lines of Trial By Fire.

But as it is Arnel is certainly holding his own! It's the best thing for Journey to have happened! Good job!

Excellent post. I agree!

[Calbear94]

Does anything so far measure up to MOL or OM? From what I've heard, definitely not.

I honestly don't think Neal is in to writing rockers like those anymore. Creatively, he seems to be in a completely different rock vein now. Wildest Dreams, to me, sounds just like the rockers on Arrival.

Give him time, he may yet find some inspiration for the next album from Arnel's voice. If I'm not mistaken, most if not all of these songs were pretty much done before Arnel got the job. Neal has talked in the past how he was inspired by Perry's singing, so let's see if he can sort of recapture that magic next time. For now, the rockers (rocker...Wildest Dreams) will seem more Soul Sirkus to me than Journey.

[Magwheels]

This is hilarious. They had to get someone that sounds similar to Perry, again. And unless I've got it wrong, they're selling a double CD- the second being remakes of old tunes that Perry perfected?

They still can't do it w/out Perry.