All Revelation Sound Clips (so far)...

[NealIsGod]

Blowjob Hacks, huh NIG?

He says "Hello" back, 13.

[annie89509]

I have said this before. TBF would have been a great Journey kick-ass album (my opinion of course) if only they had cut down the tracks to 11, eliminating the slow songs (which does sound like it might fit in a Perry solo album). Personally, I love all of TBF because it has SP singing on it (never can get enough of the man). But, it would eliminate the snoozefest comments.

Now, I also think Arrival suffered from too many tracks. After the 1st 5 or 6 (which I enjoyed), all the songs started to sound the same (to me). and I'm ready to turn it off. I actually like listening to Generations a lot more than Arrival. FITH is the best SA-sung rocker and Beyond the Clouds best ballad, imo.

I don't know, what it comes down to is what the artists/bands ultimately decided to do. Do you reward the faithful with lots of songs on your record, or do you risk losing the casual by putting them to sleep with too many songs on it?

[brywool]

I am an ok singer I think and the covers I posted got pretty good response from you guys when I put them up. That was a year and a half ago. I got a terrible chest cold a month or two after I did those covers and the cold lasted for like 3 months because it became bronchitis. I have not been able to sing like that since. I have warmed up, ran scales, drank this concoction and that concoction and it just isnt there. My upper range got fried or it is just some crazy coincedence and my voice went through that mid 30's change that males have to deal with. All I know is the only way I can sing older Journey now is one half step down. I am 36 and when I was 34 I could do it... Not now.... And trust me when I say I was working on it. I was considering starting a band with me singing since some people seemed to like my voice but I find that after that illness which now was over a year ago and it never really came back which is ok because I am a drummer 1st and I never have to sing that high on the backups I sing for the Pink Floyd Tribute....

LD, my friend, GET TO AN ENT. Have him scope your chords to see if they are damaged. They most likely are not, maybe just a bit swollen. A TEMPORARY dose of steroids WILL clear this up. I went through a similar thing and have for all my singing ... 'career'. Steroids now and then (every few years) are helpful for a singer. Overdoing them is detrimental. I'm speaking of steroids for your throat, not as in the sports world. What has most likely happened is that with all the coughing you did during your cold, you've agravatted the chords a bit. Last October, I got this same shit (by the way, has anybody ELSE noticed that colds are no longer runny noses but usually full blown sinus/chest infections??? what's going on?). I thought it had gone away by December, but I noticed during my December and New Year's shows, that about half-way through our shows, my upper range just went REALLY rough and I couldn't sing through it. I actually had to sing things a bit differently. The funny thing is, this would last about a set, and then I'd be fine for the rest of the night. Really weird. Anyway, went to the doctor, gave me some steroids and I'm as good as ever. ALSO- if you have acid reflux (I do) get that handled. That has also helped to mess with my range. Once that's under control, things are fine. You've got a great voice. You should use it. Singing drummers can get gigs ANYWHERE. Good luck.


Lou Gramm's steroids were for different issues and he had to take so many of them that it DID mess up his voice. That's my understanding anyway.

[annie89509]

Dude, the last Journey effort with Perry was LESS than mediocre.

I don't know about that...par it down to 10 tracks like Escape or Revelation, and you have have yourself a very strong Journey album.
I won't fault them for giving us too much new music...even if it is mostly bat mitzvah balladry.

Fuck...sure beats the current incarnation, which increasingly seems to beg, borrow, and steal just to get enough new tracks to fill an album.

Hmmm, are we seeing a shift in the pulse of Journey's "old-guard"? After months of doom & gloom from SG, he is suddenly "on-board" after just listening to 30-sec bit clips. And, now, TNC, who months earlier was defending Journey against all of the people who said NWA was a rip-off of BGTY, is pretty much saying the same thing here (that the new songs are old and borrowed).

[The_Noble_Cause]

And, now, TNC, who months earlier was defending Journey against all of the people who said NWA was a rip-off of BGTY, is pretty much saying the same thing here (that the new songs are old and borrowed).

I think most of the new tracks sound great..would've liked a few more straight-up rockers, but oh well.
By "beg, borrow, and steal" I am referring to songwriting post-Perry, in general.

'Arrival' utilized several outside writers.
'Red 13' was a 4-track EP, with two of the "new" songs being 'Arrival' leftovers.
'Generations' featured a re-do of an old song, two Arrival leftovers, and what struck me as Augeri and Cain solo fodder.
Notice anything?

As for "Revelation"...with just ten tracks (one of which is a re-do, another a re-hash), it doesn't seem to reverse this trend in the slightest

I'm not saying the new album is total crap, or that I won't re-play it compulsively.
I'm just saying the days of kocking out "twenty songs in two weeks", as was the case with TBF, are long gone.
Songwriting doesn't appear to come easily any longer.

Jeff Soto, with his already proven chemistry with Neal, would've gone quite a ways towards repairing that.

[brywool]

And, now, TNC, who months earlier was defending Journey against all of the people who said NWA was a rip-off of BGTY, is pretty much saying the same thing here (that the new songs are old and borrowed).

I think most of the new tracks sound great..would've liked a few more straight-up rockers, but oh well.
By "beg, borrow, and steal" I am referring to songwriting post-Perry, in general.

'Arrival' utilized several outside writers.
'Red 13' was a 4-track EP, with two of the "new" songs being 'Arrival' leftovers.
'Generations' featured a re-do of an old song, two Arrival leftovers, and what struck me as Augeri and Cain solo fodder.
Notice anything?

As for "Revelation"...with just ten tracks (one of which is a re-do, another a re-hash), it doesn't seem to reverse this trend in the slightest

I'm not saying the new album is total crap, or that I won't re-play it compulsively.
I'm just saying the days of kocking out "twenty songs in two weeks", as was the case with TBF, are long gone.
Songwriting doesn't appear to come easily any longer.

Jeff Soto, with his already proven chemistry with Neal, would've gone quite a ways towards repairing that.

wasn't a lot of this album written in the absence of a singer and even with the absence of knowing they were going to continue at all? As much as it's a drag that it's short and there's one tune on it that I've already got (not mentioning the re-records), I think the band wanted to get it out there quickly to tour and take advantage of the Walmart deal (my supposition, not fact). If this lineup gels live, I think the next studio album (let's hope there is one) will be a lot more honed. Had Journey played their cards right, they could've still written songs with Soto even if he wasn't their singer, but they f'd that up, didn't they? Never know, Arnel might be a decent writer and he go in the game too late. I doubt it, but you never know. I'm hopeful that this will be a new beginning for the band. If it is and this lineup is excepted, I would bet that the next release is given more time. Also, Neal's buds with a lot of writers (Blades, Shaw, more). They could've EASILY gotten 2 or 3 more to fill it out. Wonder why they didn't? If you think about it, they've recorded a double album here with the remakes, so it probably took a ton of time for them, not to mention the DVD mastering.

Speaking of that, I'd be really anxious to know how much the DVD was 'sweetened' by those that went to the Vegas show, when it comes out.

[The_Noble_Cause]

wasn't a lot of this album written in the absence of a singer and even with the absence of knowing they were going to continue at all?

I think once Uncle Irv scored the Walmart deal, they started writing as a band.
Bear in mind, that separately they are usually writing.
What ended up as a chorus on "Revelation", could've possibly ended up on a Jon Cain solo disc.

If this lineup gels live, I think the next studio album (let's hope there is one) will be a lot more honed.

We heard this every year Augeri was in the band. By now, its meaningless.

Had Journey played their cards right, they could've still written songs with Soto even if he wasn't their singer, but they f'd that up, didn't they?

Hey, why not just write with Perry - that was once considered, too.

Never know, Arnel might be a decent writer and he go in the game too late. I doubt it, but you never know.

That's partially what is so lame about this whole thing. The criteria for being Journey's frontman should rest on more than just hitting high notes or sounding like Perry. The creative process shouldn't be an afterthought.

[FormerJrnyFan]

They would rock harder if Cain was gone. Bring back Rolie, dammit. The only Revelation here is that the new CD is a snoozefest.

A day late & a dollar... well, you know... 100% in agreement Niggy

[Monstrock]

I just listened to the Revelation sound clips and man I was really blown away. All the new songs really sound so promising, I mean the whole CD is fuckin' amazing. I was'nt really expecting that Arnel would be able to pull off a Perry in the Re-records. Wow, can't wait to get this album and play it in my car full blast.

[G.I.Jim]

I just listened to the Revelation sound clips and man I was really blown away. All the new songs really sound so promising, I mean the whole CD is fuckin' amazing. I was'nt really expecting that Arnel would be able to pull off a Perry in the Re-records. Wow, can't wait to get this album and play it in my car full blast.

Bump!

[Monstrock]

I just listened to the Revelation sound clips and man I was really blown away. All the new songs really sound so promising, I mean the whole CD is fuckin' amazing. I was'nt really expecting that Arnel would be able to pull off a Perry in the Re-records. Wow, can't wait to get this album and play it in my car full blast.

Bump!

What's up with that bump?

[frfksakes]

I just listened to the Revelation sound clips and man I was really blown away. All the new songs really sound so promising, I mean the whole CD is fuckin' amazing. I was'nt really expecting that Arnel would be able to pull off a Perry in the Re-records. Wow, can't wait to get this album and play it in my car full blast.

Bump!

What's up with that bump?

bumping in agreement maybe??

I'm surprised by how much I'm playing a few of the songs, lol.

Now I'm stuck on "Where Did I Lose Your Love” - love the chorus.
Great single potential, imo.

[Deb]

That's partially what is so lame about this whole thing. The criteria for being Journey's frontman should rest on more than just hitting high notes or sounding like Perry. The creative process shouldn't be an afterthought.

Couldn't agree more!

[Lula]

That's partially what is so lame about this whole thing. The criteria for being Journey's frontman should rest on more than just hitting high notes or sounding like Perry. The creative process shouldn't be an afterthought.

Couldn't agree more!

YEAH!!

[Journey69]

I have said this before. TBF would have been a great Journey kick-ass album (my opinion of course) if only they had cut down the tracks to 11, eliminating the slow songs (which does sound like it might fit in a Perry solo album). Personally, I love all of TBF because it has SP singing on it (never can get enough of the man). But, it would eliminate the snoozefest comments.

Now, I also think Arrival suffered from too many tracks. After the 1st 5 or 6 (which I enjoyed), all the songs started to sound the same (to me). and I'm ready to turn it off. I actually like listening to Generations a lot more than Arrival. FITH is the best SA-sung rocker and Beyond the Clouds best ballad, imo.

I don't know, what it comes down to is what the artists/bands ultimately decided to do. Do you reward the faithful with lots of songs on your record, or do you risk losing the casual by putting them to sleep with too many songs on it?

OMG..you can't be serious..None of the songs on Arrival sound the same.. And you like Generations better,I'm beside myself! Why don't you give Arrival another listen.. Neal even stated they did too many songs. Arrival sounds more like classic Journey than most of the stuff Journey did after Separate ways.. All of the things,World gone wild,I got a reason,we will meet again,live and breathe,Too be alive again..All stellar songs..You are deaf if you can't hear the classic Journey sound in these..Augeri did an admiral job!

[tammy]

I've been listening to these clips a lot (the new songs, that is, particularly 5 of them I am quite taken with) and I can't get over how much "believe-ability" comes through on Arnel's voice. Even 'tho he wasn't a part of the writing/creating part of it, he has taken them to heart and pours out the genuine emotion. It's also amazing how he sounds so much like SA in the beginning clip of "Sunshower" and then like SP in another, and then like neither of them in another song ("What it takes to win")...he's a chameleon.

[Red13JoePa]

Intrigued by What It Takes To Win most and then by Change For The Better and Where Did I Lose Your Love.

BIG time looking forward to hearing these in their entirety on the album.

WITTW sounds MIGHTY good.

[AlteredDNA]

Intrigued by What It Takes To Win most and then by Change For The Better and Where Did I Lose Your Love.

BIG time looking forward to hearing these in their entirety on the album.

WITTW sounds MIGHTY good.

Agree, but for me, reverse CFTB and WITTW...

[amaron]

I might be changing my mind on Arnel..... but MY GOD... Neal sounds great on the re-records.

[brywool]

That's partially what is so lame about this whole thing. The criteria for being Journey's frontman should rest on more than just hitting high notes or sounding like Perry. The creative process shouldn't be an afterthought.

There's no rule that says the front guy has to write. The fact that the guy can do the old stuff and sing his nads off on the new stuff is fine and greatly needed with Journey. If he ends up being a good writer, all the better, but it should not keep him from being in the band. MANY bands use outside writers. It ain't a crime. Regarding "that's what they said with Augeri"- Arrival was a good album. Generations COULD have been a good album, but they did all that BS with other singers, etc. Having said that, Deen and Neal's tracks were very cool. Cain's and Valory's, um, not so much.

[Sarah]

There's no rule that says the front guy has to write.

Buuuut they do need someone to fill the hole in the songwriting that Perry left. Jon can't write everything alone...

[The_Noble_Cause]

There's no rule that says the front guy has to write. The fact that the guy can do the old stuff and sing his nads off on the new stuff is fine and greatly needed with Journey. If he ends up being a good writer, all the better, but it should not keep him from being in the band.

Fair point.

However, if you go along with that, you simultaneously cede the strongest argument for the band continuing in the first place – that there was always more to Journey than one man’s voice.

[Red13JoePa]

I like it better when the writing battery is strictly Schon/Cain now.

The songs w/ the most Augeri input (Kiss Me Softly, BFly, Believe although I LIKE the last 2, Beyond The Clouds, etc) strayed too far from traditional Journey sound like The Place In Your Heart (Schon/Cain) to me.

Pineda can and should have some minimal input at times like Augeri on FITH but keep the PRIMARY brainchildren those of Schon and Cain.

[Saint John]

There's no rule that says the front guy has to write.

Buuuut they do need someone to fill the hole in the songwriting that Perry left. Jon can't write everything alone...

Pffft. You could fill that hole with a 2 inch dick.

[Deb]

There's no rule that says the front guy has to write.

Buuuut they do need someone to fill the hole in the songwriting that Perry left. Jon can't write everything alone...

Pffft. You could fill that hole with a 2 inch dick.

Well, get to it then.

[brywool]

There's no rule that says the front guy has to write. The fact that the guy can do the old stuff and sing his nads off on the new stuff is fine and greatly needed with Journey. If he ends up being a good writer, all the better, but it should not keep him from being in the band.

Fair point.

However, if you go along with that, you simultaneously cede the strongest argument for the band continuing in the first place – that there was always more to Journey than one man’s voice.

Well, there are a ton of writers Schon's connected with (Jack Blades for one) that could step in to write. At this point, I have a hunch that Journey is more concerned with it's past and being able to perform it than writing new, valid material. This, to me, is REALLY unfortunate. I have no desire to have Journey be a 'traveling cavalcade of hits". I wanna hear new stuff. I think that this is all premature. Pineda may be a competent writer. He may not. We'll see. I doubt that the shortage of material was due to him not writing. I would believe it had more to do with WalMart's timeframe. I don't know, but I would suspect. Right now, I'm just extremely happy that there's a vocalist in the band who fits the band's sound.

[Saint John]

There's no rule that says the front guy has to write.

Buuuut they do need someone to fill the hole in the songwriting that Perry left. Jon can't write everything alone...

Pffft. You could fill that hole with a 2 inch dick.

Well, get to it then.

I knew that would be someone's comeback. It was a setup. You're lucky it's you because my pre-planned retort is too rude to use on someone I like/respect. Damn you!!!

[Deb]

There's no rule that says the front guy has to write.

Buuuut they do need someone to fill the hole in the songwriting that Perry left. Jon can't write everything alone...

Pffft. You could fill that hole with a 2 inch dick.

Well, get to it then.

I knew that would be someone's comeback. It was a setup. You're lucky it's you because my pre-planned retort is too rude to use on someone I like/respect. Damn you!!!

[Red13JoePa]

StCansDano, she's got portugues sausage and japeyes on the brain of COURSE you'd get the expected reply.

[Deb]

StCansDano, she's got portugues sausage and japeyes on the brain of COURSE you'd get the expected reply.

Trying to decipher here. I can kinda figure you might be talkin about Perry with the PS comment, but what the heck is japeyes?