Arnel vs. Perry = SILLY

[NealIsGod]

Dude, I laugh every time I see your avatar and see Neal wearing that woman's black velvet exercise jacket with the varying shades of pink on the elastic wasteband...that shit's too fucking funny.

Well played. But only Neal could make it look somewhat cool.

Does "cool" mean something else where you come from?

Hey, I own every outfit Neal wears in my avatars. I actually wear them the entire time the avatar is active. From the smell of things, it's time to change it again...

[bluejeangirl76]

Dude, I laugh every time I see your avatar and see Neal wearing that woman's black velvet exercise jacket with the varying shades of pink on the elastic wasteband...that shit's too fucking funny.

Well played. But only Neal could make it look somewhat cool.

Does "cool" mean something else where you come from?

Hey, I own every outfit Neal wears in my avatars. I actually wear them the entire time the avatar is active. From the smell of things, it's time to change it again...

Does that include the fro, the silly 'stache, and the "Boogie Nights" style pants apparatus?

[strangegrey]

So really....comparing the two, is no different than trying to compare ruth to maris.....ones dead, ones alive and slagging away. I'm going to pat the fucker that's still doing it on his back and go "thanks for fighting the good fight, short fry. I appreciate it"

I'm not sure if you were only referring to Ruth and Maris, or if you were speaking figuratively about Perry being "dead?"

But just in case you were only talking about Ruth and Maris, Maris is also dead, he died of cancer several years ago.

More than several years ago, he died in the early 90s...

But you missed the point. The comparison/fight was waged IN 1961....when Maris was alive, but Ruth wasnt.

Figuratively speaking, Ruth = Perry...in that musically, Perry is dead. Until he returns and releases something, he's not alive in music. plain old fact...so we're comparing someone slagging away to someone that hasn't done dick in 12 years.

[Rick]

Dude, I laugh every time I see your avatar and see Neal wearing that woman's black velvet exercise jacket with the varying shades of pink on the elastic wasteband...that shit's too fucking funny.

Well played. But only Neal could make it look somewhat cool.

Does "cool" mean something else where you come from?

Hey, I own every outfit Neal wears in my avatars. I actually wear them the entire time the avatar is active. From the smell of things, it's time to change it again...

[Voyager]

Obviously not the oxygen challenged that spend time and energy reading and
commenting on things they are apathetic about. Not them.

~Badcotune

Oxygen deprived probably sums it up better, counts for dwindling cellular activity in the brain.

I don't know what in hell either of you two dopes are talking about.
MY point was simply that haven't missed punxatawney steve since they got rid of him and don't now.

That's crazy. Millions of people have missed Steve Perry since he quit singing for Journey - especially the band members themselves. If you didn't miss him, then I have no idea what you are doing here - except for maybe to antagonize and torment people.

[Deb]

Obviously not the oxygen challenged that spend time and energy reading and
commenting on things they are apathetic about. Not them.

~Badcotune

Oxygen deprived probably sums it up better, counts for dwindling cellular activity in the brain.

I don't know what in hell either of you two dopes are talking about.
MY point was simply that haven't missed punxatawney steve since they got rid of him and don't now.

That's crazy. Millions of people have missed Steve Perry since he quit singing for Journey - especially the band members themselves. If you didn't miss him, then I have no idea what you are doing here - except for maybe to antagonize and torment people.

Nah, we may be on opposite ends of the Perry spectrum , but JoePa's cool. I may not agree with him most of the time, but it's all coming from the same place, a passion for Journey music!

[Voyager]

Obviously not the oxygen challenged that spend time and energy reading and
commenting on things they are apathetic about. Not them.

~Badcotune

Oxygen deprived probably sums it up better, counts for dwindling cellular activity in the brain.

I don't know what in hell either of you two dopes are talking about.
MY point was simply that haven't missed punxatawney steve since they got rid of him and don't now.

That's crazy. Millions of people have missed Steve Perry since he quit singing for Journey - especially the band members themselves. If you didn't miss him, then I have no idea what you are doing here - except for maybe to antagonize and torment people.

Nah, we may be on opposite ends of the Perry spectrum , but JoePa's cool. I may not agree with him most of the time, but it's all coming from the same place, a passion for Journey music!

Then why would he say nobody has missed Steve Perry?

[Deb]

Obviously not the oxygen challenged that spend time and energy reading and
commenting on things they are apathetic about. Not them.

~Badcotune

Oxygen deprived probably sums it up better, counts for dwindling cellular activity in the brain.

I don't know what in hell either of you two dopes are talking about.
MY point was simply that haven't missed punxatawney steve since they got rid of him and don't now.

That's crazy. Millions of people have missed Steve Perry since he quit singing for Journey - especially the band members themselves. If you didn't miss him, then I have no idea what you are doing here - except for maybe to antagonize and torment people.

Nah, we may be on opposite ends of the Perry spectrum , but JoePa's cool. I may not agree with him most of the time, but it's all coming from the same place, a passion for Journey music!

Then why would he say nobody has missed Steve Perry?

That's just his opinion. Duh, of course......in reality it is the opposite.

[Red13JoePa]

Dude, crack the seal on a bottle and take a long deep pull or some shit, man...I left the "I" out of my post by accident.

[Deb]

Dude, crack the seal on a bottle and take a long deep pull or some shit, man...I left the "I" out of my post by accident.

Well it was an honest mistake....your "I"s "L"s and "1"s do all kind of blend together.

[amaron]

Holy shit, this thread is funny as hell.

[Red13JoePa]

That's just his opinion. Duh, of course......in reality it is the opposite.

Of course.
There are many superficial dopes obsessed only with singers and vital anatomical parts thereof.

Again, I merely failed to use the "I" in that post.

[conversationpc]

Hey, I own every outfit Neal wears in my avatars. I actually wear them the entire time the avatar is active. From the smell of things, it's time to change it again...

[ttango1]

Honestly....who gives a fuck. Really?

I mean, I hate to sound like this...but who's singing right now and who's not? You're drawing a comparison you can't make anyway.

I know in the heat of the moment, it's easy to get caught up in the hoopla of who's better whos best....but the only other scenario can even remotely think of that comes close to comparing someone today to someone yesterday, is the comparisons between roger maris and babe ruth, during the 61 season. They made a HUGE stink out of desecrating Babe Ruth's legacy....pitchers wouldn't pitch to roger...roger was HATED.

And all the guy was trying to do was play fucking ball.....and the baseball press desperately tried to protect the legacy of a dead man. A fat dead man.

Fuck that.

Not that Perry is fat OR dead....but musically speaking, he's the equivalent of a bloated, fat, elvis in 1970. The only difference is that Perry either doesn't have the balls to show up wearing a jumpsuit that doesn't fit him anymore...or he has some semblance of dignity. Either way.....he's out of the picture. Leave the fucking guy alone.


Let's view this right now, as Arnel vs Arnel. No one else really needs to be in this debate anymore.



If any of you guys want Arnel to bring Journey back to life....the LAST thing you should be doing is trying to compare him to anyone. Let the music talk....let the little pinoy do his shit on his own terms. if he fails....he fails....if he kicks butt, he kicks butt.

But to watch his every move and go "steve perry could've done it better, worse, gay, straight, drunk, sober, dead, alive, blah blah blah".....is all academic.




Until the day Steve Perry walks into NoMoTa's front orafice and goes "fire the Pinoy, I want my gig back" and Assoff, Schon and Cain decide to take him at face value and do so....this is all a waste of oxygen and bandwidth. And if I had a few vegas chips to bet on Perry actually doing such a thing and following through with it....I'd lay down every chip against....not for it. I don't ever see Perry returning. ever. You can take all the suposed demos and horseshit he may or may not feed his insane asylum bullhorns....and shove it in a dark, stinky place with dingleberrys. I doubt steve perry is every going to show his face in music....ever again.


So really....comparing the two, is no different than trying to compare ruth to maris.....ones dead, ones alive and slagging away. I'm going to pat the fucker that's still doing it on his back and go "thanks for fighting the good fight, short fry. I appreciate it"

See this is the SG, I could have a beer with. That other guy must've been his alter-ego.
Better keep Glondoor close by in-case SG hulks out on me again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl9CrpLs3MM

[strangegrey]

Ttango...you're on!!!

If we ever bump into eachother, I'm buying!!!

[Monstrock]

This post is just one opinion, and won't likely sway either camp, but here we go anyway. The facts as I see them.

Steve Perry is considered the definitive vocalist of Journey. Accepted truth. It's accepted truth by fans and from within the band that he put them on the map. It's also acknowledged that the reverse is also true -- Journey put Steve Perry on the map.

In his prime, Steve Perry sang with a power, conviction, and passion that many consider will never be matched by Journey ever again. I agree. But most with working ears have to acknowledge that father time has marched on, and while the emotion is there, Perry's power is gone. A 60 year old (give or take) simply does not have the biological tools of a 30-40 year old, nor is he expected to.(one exception being paul rodgers who is a freak of nature and actually sounds better NOW) Even if Perry had the Power to match his existing emotion -- one vital component is missing and has been for over a decade: DESIRE. If Perry COULD -- he has CHOSEN to NOT.

Arnel is not Steve Perry in his prime. But then, neither is Steve Perry anymore. What Arnel is however, is a remarkable, powerful, and unique singer in his own right. In my opinion he is the BEST POSSIBLE singer for Journey NOW -- in 2008. In 2009 and beyond. Steve Perry couldn't hit the notes with the clarity Arnel did on the re-records if he recorded them NOW. But Perry doesn't have to because he did it better THEN.

My point it that while comparisons are inevitable -- particularly when you invite them by re-recording the greatest hits, the endless debate and even anger towards Arnel is silly. All of us have a past, present, and future. One is more favored and loved than others. But don't let what was forever eclipse what is and can be, because what was is memory. Arnel Pineda is what's right and what's BEST for NOW, not THEN. Let's let him be that and wish the man the best...


~Badcotune

That's a really nice post and analysis.

[stevew2]

This post is just one opinion, and won't likely sway either camp, but here we go anyway. The facts as I see them.

Steve Perry is considered the definitive vocalist of Journey. Accepted truth. It's accepted truth by fans and from within the band that he put them on the map. It's also acknowledged that the reverse is also true -- Journey put Steve Perry on the map.

In his prime, Steve Perry sang with a power, conviction, and passion that many consider will never be matched by Journey ever again. I agree. But most with working ears have to acknowledge that father time has marched on, and while the emotion is there, Perry's power is gone. A 60 year old (give or take) simply does not have the biological tools of a 30-40 year old, nor is he expected to.(one exception being paul rodgers who is a freak of nature and actually sounds better NOW) Even if Perry had the Power to match his existing emotion -- one vital component is missing and has been for over a decade: DESIRE. If Perry COULD -- he has CHOSEN to NOT.

Arnel is not Steve Perry in his prime. But then, neither is Steve Perry anymore. What Arnel is however, is a remarkable, powerful, and unique singer in his own right. In my opinion he is the BEST POSSIBLE singer for Journey NOW -- in 2008. In 2009 and beyond. Steve Perry couldn't hit the notes with the clarity Arnel did on the re-records if he recorded them NOW. But Perry doesn't have to because he did it better THEN.

My point it that while comparisons are inevitable -- particularly when you invite them by re-recording the greatest hits, the endless debate and even anger towards Arnel is silly. All of us have a past, present, and future. One is more favored and loved than others. But don't let what was forever eclipse what is and can be, because what was is memory. Arnel Pineda is what's right and what's BEST for NOW, not THEN. Let's let him be that and wish the man the best...


~Badcotune

Thats so nice,can you jack me off before I drift off to La La land with Friga

[WykkedSensation]

[Quote] Agreed, although Arnel's vocals don't touch my soul the way Perry's do, there is no denying he is a great singer in his own right. Still wish I could have heard what the outcome of doing a Van Hagar had they gone in a harder direction with JSS[ Quote]....

I agree with you Deb regarding Steve's vocals touching the soul.
However, i honestly feel if they would have stayed with Jeff, they would have ended up sounding just like Soul SirkUS. Not a bad thing in a lot of people's eyes, but in my eyes SS were complete and utter shit. Raved about and hyped up like nothin else, and the album freakin bombed big style. It bombed because it was crap, pure and simple.

Jeff (imo) was never right for Journey, and personally i am very pleased he aint there anymore. Not knocking the man, he's a great singer, just not singing Journey material.

Arnel is ok. He doesnt have the power that i would like him to have, but i am warming to him the more i hear him.

[texafana]

I doubt we'll ever "see" Steve Perry perform again, but I feel 100% confident we'll "hear" from Steve Perry again in our life time. Singing those classic high pitch notes? Oh hell no, but I'm sure he's more than capable of laying down a vocal in a manner similar to "When You Love A Woman", etc. And that will be fine for most of his fans.

Arnel 100% rocks. I'm shocked how little time he has spent with Journey, and he's already recorded a new album, played a few gigs, etc, and he already sounds like he's been with the band a few years. I think if fans, management give him a chance, his 2nd album with the band will really sound awesome vocally.

[NealIsGod]

I doubt we'll ever "see" Steve Perry perform again, but I feel 100% confident we'll "hear" from Steve Perry again in our life time. Singing those classic high pitch notes? Oh hell no, but I'm sure he's more than capable of laying down a vocal in a manner similar to "When You Love A Woman", etc. And that will be fine for most of his fans.

I hope you're right, but why would he have wasted all this time? It's been 12 years since TBF.

[strangegrey]

I doubt we'll ever "see" Steve Perry perform again, but I feel 100% confident we'll "hear" from Steve Perry again in our life time. Singing those classic high pitch notes? Oh hell no, but I'm sure he's more than capable of laying down a vocal in a manner similar to "When You Love A Woman", etc. And that will be fine for most of his fans.

No way, the guy is done. Completely If you hear anything from him, you're going to hear old shit that he's remixed, dusted off or regurgitated. Nothing new. In fact, the going rumor is that the shit he played for his insane asylum crew back in february is just old FTLOSM outtakes.

"Look guys, I'm really doing something productive instead of triping over my royalty checks and walking around the house watching peoples court reruns with a smoking jacket and an unlit pipe"

give me a break...

[Saint John]

"Look guys, I'm really doing something productive instead of triping over my royalty checks and walking around the house watching peoples court reruns with a smoking jacket and an unlit pipe"

Am I just a sucker for a good cheap shot or was this funnier than shit to anyone else? I think "both" is probably the proper response.

[Allied Forces]

Not knowing the circumstances as to why Steve Perry doesn't perform anymore, I will say this. They guy was really, really good. If he never performs again he has done something very few have ever done. Walked away on top. This rarely happens in music and also sports especially. I remember when Marvin Hagler retired from boxing after "losing" a highly contraversial decision to Sugar Ray Leonard. You expected a rematch, but Hagler just walked away, still at the top of his game. Meanwhile Sugar Ray came back a few more times and totally embarassed himself against Terry Norris and Hector Camacho. Those are etched in my memory, much like when Muhammad Ali was destroyed by Larry Holmes.

Meanwhile I have no such memories of Hagler as being washed up or embarassing. Because he walked away while still at his best - just like Steve Perry did.

I wish another Steve (Carlton) would have took the cue from Steve Perry and walked away on top as well.

[wildone]

Are you kidding me ???????????????????/If you have to get a speech counselor in on the scene....... then there's no comparason whats so ever....They're reaching for a sound that's been gone for awhile now....they've had a run at it and a great one to...but when your putting out a new albumn and it's on the shelf price will be 10.88 for A 2 cd set and dvd ...hell it's already on the discount rack,that little weasel neal is going to try and ring all the money he can out of this and then dump Arnel and vanish into the sunset(which they should've done after Augeri)The remakes IMO didn't need to be redone hell in the bay area when journeys on the radio ....it's still perry you here only once have I heard the new albumn ....once!

[NealIsGod]

Meanwhile I have no such memories of Hagler as being washed up or embarassing. Because he walked away while still at his best - just like Steve Perry did.

Nope, not true. Perry was at his "best" in '82-'83. I am glad he didn't walk away back then, but I am sure he would even agree the period of time that included E5C4P3, Frontiers and Street Talk was his vocal and songwriting peak.

[Allied Forces]

Meanwhile I have no such memories of Hagler as being washed up or embarassing. Because he walked away while still at his best - just like Steve Perry did.

Nope, not true. Perry was at his "best" in '82-'83. I am glad he didn't walk away back then, but I am sure he would even agree the period of time that included E5C4P3, Frontiers and Street Talk was his vocal and songwriting peak.

Well, you all have more knowledge of this than I do. The last thing I remember from Journey was the song on Visionquest and Steve Perry sounded good to me then. He never embarassed himself, even if you all feel he was past his peak. I have my worries currently of how the Triumph reunion will turn out. I know Rik still has his chops and can sing since I have seen his solo shows. No one has heard Gil Moore sing in a long time though. Consider me cautiously excited, but I hope they don't do anything to tarnish my memories.

[Saint John]

the shelf price will be 10.88 for A 2 cd set and dvd ...hell it's already on the discount rack

Would it have been more validating for you if the price was $34.99? This is really a ridiculous argument you're throwing forward. Wal Mart sets the price, numb nuts. Journey has already been paid in full. Wal Mart sets the price in a strategic way as to recoup the maximum amount of profit. $10.88 is the price they deemed appropriate. The Eagles, who possess the number one album of all-time, had a similar price for their latest double disc. Were they also relegated to "the discount rack" in your opinion? Look, if you have any issues with the price of the Journey CD package forward your mindless rants to Wal Mart, pal.

[NealIsGod]

Price it too high and people will just go get it on the net. $10.88 is a great price for all of that and will definitely influence more people to buy it than download it.

[Saint John]

Price it too high and people will just go get it on the net. $10.88 is a great price for all of that and will definitely influence more people to buy it than download it.

Whether you're buying it or not NIG, at least you remain logical.

[RocknRoll]

pssssssst... Not that it really matters, but the price is $11.88 for the 3 disc set and $10.88 for the digital download unless you're buying it with the Revelation T-shirt