Arnel vs. Perry = SILLY

[Rick]

500K in total sales = Gold
That standard hasn't ever changed.
W2 is in...what say you?

That chippendale/thunder from down under(I'm sure Andrew knows them well) pic can be your avatar/sig.


JH has made his peace with it and I know I'm one of many who thank him for his contributions in his brief time with legend and also wish him much success in his future endeavors with both royalties from NWA and his Frontiers group.

Maybe this time, since he now has a real Traveling Frontiers group or (Group B as he calls it, I think), he can make it out west to Californy. I'd watch him.

Check out Frontiers, Thats what Journey could have been,your sig is to much. drives me nuts , pervert

Journey certainly could have been that. Would have been interesting, no doubt. I was all for Jeremey getting the gig and was very vocal about it. Didn't happen though, sadly. I was pissed for a while too, but I decided to move on. That IS the healthy thing to do.

[stevew2]

Thats cool Rick,I just dont see it happening ,the way Journey tours, and the way Arnel is singing.He does sound good, but I hear him blowing out his voice way before the tour ends. Thats my opinion, and we will see.

[Rick]

Thats cool Rick,I just dont see it happening ,the way Journey tours, and the way Arnel is singing.He does sound good, but I hear him blowing out his voice way before the tour ends. Thats my opinion, and we will see.

Worries me too. I guess we've all been through it enough already, it probably worries everyone.

I feel bad for Arnel. All he did was accept a job and he gets so much shit for it. It's just wrong. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. Too much scrutiny.

[RocknRoll]

Thats cool Rick,I just dont see it happening ,the way Journey tours, and the way Arnel is singing.He does sound good, but I hear him blowing out his voice way before the tour ends. Thats my opinion, and we will see.

Amd another one bites the dust!!

I think every Journey fan has the same opinion. DON"T BLOW IT!!!!!

Hope you get to a show.

[Maui Tom]

Thats cool Rick,I just dont see it happening ,the way Journey tours, and the way Arnel is singing.He does sound good, but I hear him blowing out his voice way before the tour ends. Thats my opinion, and we will see.

No you WANT him to blow out the voice....

Rick and me and everyone else who was in Vegas doesn't have the same "I can't wait til his voice goes so I can play the I told you so card" wish as you dimwits do.

[stevew2]

Thats cool Rick,I just dont see it happening ,the way Journey tours, and the way Arnel is singing.He does sound good, but I hear him blowing out his voice way before the tour ends. Thats my opinion, and we will see.

Worries me too. I guess we've all been through it enough already, it probably worries everyone.

I feel bad for Arnel. All he did was accept a job and he gets so much shit for it. It's just wrong. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. Too much scrutiny.

I dont blame him,he is a nice guy, and can sing.As you know, I think they could have made a better choice. We will see how it works out. Any singer they use ,cant sing more than 5 gigs per week without a break through out this summer. Perry did it in his prime for 3 years. Its not normal for a man to sing that high for that amount of time,especially in his 40 s

[stevew2]

Thats cool Rick,I just dont see it happening ,the way Journey tours, and the way Arnel is singing.He does sound good, but I hear him blowing out his voice way before the tour ends. Thats my opinion, and we will see.

No you WANT him to blow out the voice....

Rick and me and everyone else who was in Vegas doesn't have the same "I can't wait til his voice goes so I can play the I told you so card" wish as you dimwits do.

you ve got me wrong

[Maui Tom]

Thats cool Rick,I just dont see it happening ,the way Journey tours, and the way Arnel is singing.He does sound good, but I hear him blowing out his voice way before the tour ends. Thats my opinion, and we will see.

No you WANT him to blow out the voice....

Rick and me and everyone else who was in Vegas doesn't have the same "I can't wait til his voice goes so I can play the I told you so card" wish as you dimwits do.

you ve got me wrong

doubt it...

[Calbear94]

No way, the guy is done. Completely If you hear anything from him, you're going to hear old shit that he's remixed, dusted off or regurgitated. Nothing new. In fact, the going rumor is that the shit he played for his insane asylum crew back in february is just old FTLOSM outtakes.

Frank. Consider where you are posting and consider you are attacking the integrity of friends of mine. Let this be a warning to you - I will NOT tolerate this or any more posts along these lines.

I invite you to ban me then....I'm not attacking anyone's integrity other than Steve Perry's...

I think it is pretty clear from Andrew's post that you crossed the line when you insulted Fan Assylum which is sort of a kindred spirit to Andrew's organization (i.e. they both have a similar goal in promoting the music). I'll grant you that your comment was probably meant to be funny, but it wasn't.

[mistiejourney]

Thats cool Rick,I just dont see it happening ,the way Journey tours, and the way Arnel is singing.He does sound good, but I hear him blowing out his voice way before the tour ends. Thats my opinion, and we will see.

Worries me too. I guess we've all been through it enough already, it probably worries everyone.

I feel bad for Arnel. All he did was accept a job and he gets so much shit for it. It's just wrong. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. Too much scrutiny.

Yeah, but like Augeri and Soto, he is willing to take it on. That takes a lot of guts and a ton of self-confidence. Whatever I do (or don't) think of Journey from here on in, it won't be because Arnel isn't talented!

[Calbear94]

Thats cool Rick,I just dont see it happening ,the way Journey tours, and the way Arnel is singing.He does sound good, but I hear him blowing out his voice way before the tour ends. Thats my opinion, and we will see.

Worries me too. I guess we've all been through it enough already, it probably worries everyone.

I feel bad for Arnel. All he did was accept a job and he gets so much shit for it. It's just wrong. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. Too much scrutiny.

I'm not <i>that</i> worried since we have learned how resilient Arnel's voice is and also how well he has been taking care of himself (with the usual Journey investment in that kind of thing).

I think with the way the Internet is right now, Arnel is under even more intense scrutiny than Augeri was in 1998. I suspect that off-nights, rough patches, and a flew flubs are normal during the first year. I think max Arnel has 8 years ahead of him with Journey (has a Journey lead vocalist ever lasted longer than 8 consecutive years of service?). It is scary to me right now to think how good Arnel will be in years 2-4...I mean it could be really special (without of course ever reaching the level of Perry in his prime).

[NealIsGod]

How may copies is Gold? If it wasn't available for next to nothing thru the largest retailer in the world, I would take you up on it. But I think Tiny Tim could have reached Gold with this deal. I just think Jeremey would have been an amazing fit since they want to sound like the Perry-era again. I am looking forward to Saint John and other's review of the Frontiers upcoming Indiana show. I stood there in Baltimore last week just amazed that there is another person blessed with a voice like that.

NIG, I agree, Jeremey (all 3 "e's" ) would have been a great fit. HOWEVER, there was a huge faction, many of which are your friends, and a few that are mine too, that said they didn't want " a parrot." I thought what you, along with others, but NEVER myself, loved about JSS, was his way of singing the catalog "different than Perry?" So am I to decipher from what you have presented as "evidence" that you like both "different' and now "the same" as Perry? Basically, you like JSS because he can't sing the songs like Perry and Jeremey because he can? And Arnel can do both, so he sucks.

Baaaaaayum! Homefuckingrun! Turn out the lights, game over.

Um, no. I preferred JSS and a rocking new direction. But since Friga has her heart set on restoring the "legacy" sound, there is no one more qualified to do that than Jeremey, IMO. I am over it, just don't care for Arnel's voice.

[Saint John]

How may copies is Gold? If it wasn't available for next to nothing thru the largest retailer in the world, I would take you up on it. But I think Tiny Tim could have reached Gold with this deal. I just think Jeremey would have been an amazing fit since they want to sound like the Perry-era again. I am looking forward to Saint John and other's review of the Frontiers upcoming Indiana show. I stood there in Baltimore last week just amazed that there is another person blessed with a voice like that.

NIG, I agree, Jeremey (all 3 "e's" ) would have been a great fit. HOWEVER, there was a huge faction, many of which are your friends, and a few that are mine too, that said they didn't want " a parrot." I thought what you, along with others, but NEVER myself, loved about JSS, was his way of singing the catalog "different than Perry?" So am I to decipher from what you have presented as "evidence" that you like both "different' and now "the same" as Perry? Basically, you like JSS because he can't sing the songs like Perry and Jeremey because he can? And Arnel can do both, so he sucks.

Baaaaaayum! Homefuckingrun! Turn out the lights, game over.

Um, no. I preferred JSS and a rocking new direction. But since Friga has her heart set on restoring the "legacy" sound, there is no one more qualified to do that than Jeremey, IMO. I am over it, just don't care for Arnel's voice.

Fair enough, NIG.

[DracIsBack]

He sings live and I'll shell out $1,000. Never happen....ever. Frank is right. Perry is done....he sounds like SHIT...dude's been done for a while.

Cmom - put your money where your mouth is. Go up against him singing those songs and we'll take a vote ... you or Steve Perry today. Let's make this interesting! I haven't heard him sing but I have high money that him at 60 still sings better than a lot of folks.

Seriously though, I agree with the original statement comparing with Arnel. My big concern is that Arnel doesn't end up LIKE Perry and Augeri with damaged vocals.

[Rick]

He sings live and I'll shell out $1,000. Never happen....ever. Frank is right. Perry is done....he sounds like SHIT...dude's been done for a while.

Cmom - put your money where your mouth is. Go up against him singing those songs and we'll take a vote ... you or Steve Perry today. Let's make this interesting! I haven't heard him sing but I have high money that him at 60 still sings better than a lot of folks.

Seriously though, I agree with the original statement comparing with Arnel. My big concern is that Arnel doesn't end up LIKE Perry and Augeri with damaged vocals.

If they do the Journey hard tour year after year, nobody's voice will be able to tolerate it.

[NealIsGod]

He sings live and I'll shell out $1,000. Never happen....ever. Frank is right. Perry is done....he sounds like SHIT...dude's been done for a while.

Cmom - put your money where your mouth is. Go up against him singing those songs and we'll take a vote ... you or Steve Perry today. Let's make this interesting! I haven't heard him sing but I have high money that him at 60 still sings better than a lot of folks.

Seriously though, I agree with the original statement comparing with Arnel. My big concern is that Arnel doesn't end up LIKE Perry and Augeri with damaged vocals.

If they do the Journey hard tour year after year, nobody's voice will be able to tolerate it.

I just had a vision of a "Journey bullpen", with Jeremey, Hugo and Chalfant sitting there, waiting their turn...

[Marabelle]

Hopefully there's something in his contract about how he is going to use his voice. He's heard what has happened to SA in such a short time and has to realize he'll be destroying his voice if he doesn't have control over when it's in use and how many songs and how many nights he is singing. Otherwise I don't have much hope for his longevity with the band.

[Liquid_Drummer]

Man Jeremey Is A KILLER SINGER NIG but I have to disagree with you on him and Journey. He has this very strange thing tonally when he goes high that just does not sit well with me. Great singer all the same and cool guy but after hearing Arnel do Wheel In The Sky at the 1st gig I was sold. I consider that a very hard song to sing and he did wonderful even if he was a little winded here and there.

I also agree with some others here that Arnel is singing too forcefully at times and is going to "blow a tire" if he isnt careful. Only he knows how his throat feels when he is singing. He knows his limitations and I think all singers can feel it coming before it happens which is why you duck notes or change the vowel sound if you can get away with it. Perry did it all over ROR on the older songs.

Anyone ever consider that Perry had a low testosterone level giving him all that range ? Maybe it caught up with his all at once. He put on a bit if weight right around the time of Frontiers and started singing differently. He probably damaged his voice trying to sing like he did before his balls dropped another floor...

[Deb]

Man Jeremey Is A KILLER SINGER NIG but I have to disagree with you on him and Journey. He has this very strange thing tonally when he goes high that just does not sit well with me. Great singer all the same and cool guy but after hearing Arnel do Wheel In The Sky at the 1st gig I was sold. I consider that a very hard song to sing and he did wonderful even if he was a little winded here and there.

I also agree with some others here that Arnel is singing too forcefully at times and is going to "blow a tire" if he isnt careful. Only he knows how his throat feels when he is singing. He knows his limitations and I think all singers can feel it coming before it happens which is why you duck notes or change the vowel sound if you can get away with it. Perry did it all over ROR on the older songs.

Anyone ever consider that Perry had a low testosterone level giving him all that range ? Maybe it caught up with his all at once. He put on a bit if weight right around the time of Frontiers and started singing differently. He probably damaged his voice trying to sing like he did before his balls dropped another floor...

Are you trying to say Perry hit puberty really late?

[Liquid_Drummer]

Deb,

I think it can happen to stages. For males we are supposed to stop growing at like 18-21. I swear a grew another inch at 26. I could not grow a full beard until I was 32 and its still patchy at 36. Not puberty just different levels of testosterone.

[stevew2]

Man Jeremey Is A KILLER SINGER NIG but I have to disagree with you on him and Journey. He has this very strange thing tonally when he goes high that just does not sit well with me. Great singer all the same and cool guy but after hearing Arnel do Wheel In The Sky at the 1st gig I was sold. I consider that a very hard song to sing and he did wonderful even if he was a little winded here and there.

I also agree with some others here that Arnel is singing too forcefully at times and is going to "blow a tire" if he isnt careful. Only he knows how his throat feels when he is singing. He knows his limitations and I think all singers can feel it coming before it happens which is why you duck notes or change the vowel sound if you can get away with it. Perry did it all over ROR on the older songs.

Anyone ever consider that Perry had a low testosterone level giving him all that range ? Maybe it caught up with his all at once. He put on a bit if weight right around the time of Frontiers and started singing differently. He probably damaged his voice trying to sing like he did before his balls dropped another floor...

Are you trying to say Perry hit puberty really late?

Thats funny, i think the whole thing started when grew that freakin mustache, he was never the same since

[stevew2]

How may copies is Gold? If it wasn't available for next to nothing thru the largest retailer in the world, I would take you up on it. But I think Tiny Tim could have reached Gold with this deal. I just think Jeremey would have been an amazing fit since they want to sound like the Perry-era again. I am looking forward to Saint John and other's review of the Frontiers upcoming Indiana show. I stood there in Baltimore last week just amazed that there is another person blessed with a voice like that.

I agree, Come do it nig, take the challenge it cant be anymore gayer than your old Neal Aviatar, or my Friga

[ttango1]

Exactly W2...

We'll make it a fun pick-a-pic for W2 and NIG week and do it for the summer.

It could be a lot of fun. Unless they don't do gold, then you guys get to pick them for me.

[mistiejourney]

Man Jeremey Is A KILLER SINGER NIG but I have to disagree with you on him and Journey. He has this very strange thing tonally when he goes high that just does not sit well with me. Great singer all the same and cool guy but after hearing Arnel do Wheel In The Sky at the 1st gig I was sold. I consider that a very hard song to sing and he did wonderful even if he was a little winded here and there.

I also agree with some others here that Arnel is singing too forcefully at times and is going to "blow a tire" if he isnt careful. Only he knows how his throat feels when he is singing. He knows his limitations and I think all singers can feel it coming before it happens which is why you duck notes or change the vowel sound if you can get away with it. Perry did it all over ROR on the older songs.

Anyone ever consider that Perry had a low testosterone level giving him all that range ? Maybe it caught up with his all at once. He put on a bit if weight right around the time of Frontiers and started singing differently. He probably damaged his voice trying to sing like he did before his balls dropped another floor...

Extra weight produces/stores estrogen, not testosterone (and guys have some estrogens, just like women have testosterone). So, the more weight, the higher he should have sung.

Either that or puberty occurred at the age of what, 34?

[conversationpc]

Extra weight produces/stores estrogen, not testosterone (and guys have some estrogens, just like women have testosterone). So, the more weight, the higher he should have sung.

No, that's not the way it works for most singers. From what I've heard, extra fat makes the vocal chords thicker, hence making it tougher to hit the higher notes. That's my experience anyway. I can hit some fairly high notes for a guy my size and I'd certainly be interested in what I could do on the higher end if I lost a lot of weight.

[stevew2]

Exactly W2...

We'll make it a fun pick-a-pic for W2 and NIG week and do it for the summer.

It could be a lot of fun. Unless they don't do gold, then you guys get to pick them for me.

yet come on Nig

[mistiejourney]

Extra weight produces/stores estrogen, not testosterone (and guys have some estrogens, just like women have testosterone). So, the more weight, the higher he should have sung.

No, that's not the way it works for most singers. From what I've heard, extra fat makes the vocal chords thicker, hence making it tougher to hit the higher notes. That's my experience anyway. I can hit some fairly high notes for a guy my size and I'd certainly be interested in what I could do on the higher end if I lost a lot of weight.

That's interesting! Some of those opera tenors are pretty heavy! But it's logical - extra fat would make it harder to sing. Geeze I must have vocal cords as thick as steak!