NBA Finals East vs. West Prediction

[Since 78]

You go girl!

[Michigan Girl]

YOU can VERIFY the following inf. here~ http://www.sportsline.com/info/search Just type in a name....get results!!
Playoff's 2008~
LA~Field Goal % Kobe Bryant~51.3% ~5) Kobe Bryant $19,490,625
San Antonio~Field Goal% T. Parker~50.6%
BOSTON~Field Goal % K. Garnett ~50.3%~1) Kevin Garnett $22,000,000
UTAH~Field Goal % D.Williams~49.2%
N 'Awlins~Field Goal % C. Paul ~ 45.1%

CLEVELAND~Field Goal % L. James ~40.7%~ 29) LeBron James $13,041,250

The Pistons don't have any "BIG NAME STARS" But I chose Chaunc since he's the leader of our team!!
He's paid A LOT less than LJ and has similar % ~ INCONSISTANT!! Doesn't refer to himself as KING!!!
However, I listed all starters so you know I picked the worst FG% and to avoid having to do this later!!
DETROIT~Field Goal % C Billups ~40.6%

DETROIT~Field Goal % T Prince~ 60.00%
DETROIT~Field Goal % R. Hamilton~44.9%
DETROIT~Field Goal % R. Wallace~43.7% 28) Rasheed Wallace $13,140,000 ~Rasheed is #twenty eight..evidently that #translates as COOL!!! Imagine that!!
DETROIT~Field Goal % A. McDyess~50.00%

The player's w/listed salaries are amongst the TOP 43 salaries in the NBA!! Are they worth it?????
ALSO~ LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR...this in NO WAY determines who I think WILL or WILL NOT
WIN!!! In the END it's THE TEAM, NOT A PLAYER, that WINS!!! Just making a point!! GOOD LUCK TO ALL TEAMS and
I certainly hope I didn't fail to represent a team!!! Just got HOME 2:50 AM!!!

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY~ MOM'S!!!!! HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!

[Enigma869]

For what it's worth, I believe LeBron is a great player. That said, he isn't Jordan, and the dopes in Cleveland should stop trying to tell us that he is! His performance in this round of the playoffs has not been great, or even good, thusfar. LeBron's legacy will be built in the playoffs, not what he does in the regular season. As most hardcore sports fans can tell you...the regular season means absolutely nothing! There is a reason guys like AROD have the reputation they have, and it's not because they rise to the occasion in the playoffs! AROD puts up HUGE numbers during the regular season, and I can tell you that there isn't anyone who fears the guy (except Yankees fans) in the playoffs, because he disappears EVERY season, when the playoffs roll around! I definitely agree with the statement that Kobe has FAR better players around him. Cleveland is not a great team, AT ALL! I think the trade they made gave them a team that isn't as strong. I watched some of those players with the Celtics, and they've bounced from team to team for a reason...they're simply not that good!


John from Boston

[Luvsaugeri]

For what it's worth, I believe LeBron is a great player. That said, he isn't Jordan, and the dopes in Cleveland should stop trying to tell us that he is! His performance in this round of the playoffs has not been great, or even good, thusfar. LeBron's legacy will be built in the playoffs, not what he does in the regular season. As most hardcore sports fans can tell you...the regular season means absolutely nothing! There is a reason guys like AROD have the reputation they have, and it's not because they rise to the occasion in the playoffs! AROD puts up HUGE numbers during the regular season, and I can tell you that there isn't anyone who fears the guy (except Yankees fans) in the playoffs, because he disappears EVERY season, when the playoffs roll around! I definitely agree with the statement that Kobe has FAR better players around him. Cleveland is not a great team, AT ALL! I think the trade they made gave them a team that isn't as strong. I watched some of those players with the Celtics, and they've bounced from team to team for a reason...they're simply not that good!


John from Boston

Where did I say he was Jordan? But in his defense....Jordan had Pippen. If LeBron had a "Pippen" things might be different. My whole point was that saying LBJ is inconsistant is not accurate. He is the ONLY consistant thing on the Cavs. It's the rest of the team that is inconsistant. If they all consistantly played like they did last night it would be a whole different story. He carries this team each and every night basically ALONE. And he consistantly does a great job. He very rarely has an 'off' night but it does happen. As far as the playoffs go, the competition is 'upped' if you will and of course it becomes more difficult when you are playing one on five. Yes, he takes alot of shots.....because he has too. And most of those shots come while being double or triple teamed because let's face it, no team worries too much about guarding Ben Wallace or Anderson Varejao. But I'm telling you, get him another bonafide all star in there with him and I think you would start to see Kobe like numbers. Plus, remember, this kid is only 23 yrs old!! Now having said that.....there are a few things that LeBron needs to work on. His passing IS insonsistant and alot of times SUCKS!! He needs to work on his free throws and his outside shooting. But there is no way you can say he is inconsistant and there also no way this team can win an NBA finals until they get him at least one more all star. But that certainly won't be LeBron's fault. It will be because of the rest of the team.

Oh and as far as the "King" thing. I've yet to hear LBJ refer to himself as that. That came from the fans and media....no Lebron.

[Enigma869]

Where did I say he was Jordan?

I never said that you were the one who claimed James was "the next Jordan". I've seen it referred to by many in Cleveland and have even seen it written in the Cleveland Plain Dealer! My comment wasn't directed at you. It was directed at the yahoos who are annointing this guy as "the next Jordan". It's a dopey comment, and I don't think LeBron, or anyone else needs that kind of added pressure!

But in his defense....Jordan had Pippen.

Sure he did...when Pippen actually felt like playing! Jordan also won championships with Bill Cartwright (who was about 80) as his center!

My whole point was that saying LBJ is inconsistant is not accurate.

Well, I wasn't the one who advanced the premise that James is inconsistent, but if you look at the guy's numbers, he is consistently, inconsistent! For example, during the regular season, NOBODY took more shots per game than LeBron took. He ranked a pathetic 41st in field goal percentage, which simply isn't good! In the playoffs, he has taken the 5th most shots of any player and has somehow managed to drop to 52nd in field goal percentage! During the season, he ranked 27th in the most 3 point shots attempted. He ranked a putrid 113th in 3 point percentage! In the free throw department, LeBron took the third most free throws in the entire league. Once again, he ranked an embarrassing 110th in free throw percentage (you seeing a pattern here?). He also turned the ball over the third most in the league! My point is this...LeBron scores a lot of points, because he takes more shots than ANYONE in the NBA! While I definitely think LeBron is a VERY gifted player, he has a TON of holes in his game! You can't be "The Man", and have those embarrassing percentages in EVERY category! While I appreciate your allegiance to your home town and LeBron, it doesn't change the facts. I think the other point that needs to be made is that if you're truly a basketball fan, you understand that there is FAR more to what type of player a guy is than how many points per game he averages! If you're honest and objective, the only category that is remotely impressive in LeBron's game is his PPG average! His percentages flat out SUCK!

He is the ONLY consistant thing on the Cavs. It's the rest of the team that is inconsistant.

Again, if you look at the numbers, this simply isn't true! LeBron is FAR more talented than ANYONE else on that team! That said, there are guys on that team who are FAR more consistent (And I'm talking percentages here) than LeBron is.

He carries this team each and every night basically ALONE.

He "carries" the team because he takes every shot. As you said yourself, the guy can't pass the rock! When you take every damn shot, you're going to "carry the team", by default!

As far as the playoffs go, the competition is 'upped'

Right...which is why his already horrendous percentages simply can't get worse, when it matters most! That's precisely my point. The playoffs are when it matters most, and that's when the really great players make a name for themselves. I'm referring to guys like Jordan, Bird, Magic, Russell, Duncan, et. al.

But I'm telling you, get him another bonafide all star in there with him and I think you would start to see Kobe like numbers.

Maybe. As I said, I truly believe LeBron has the potential to become an NBA great. I simply think he has a VERY long way to go and shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath with NBA greats, at this point of his career. Again, I'm not saying you have done this. I'm simply referring to the endless chatter about "King James"!

Plus, remember, this kid is only 23 yrs old!!

Being 23 means nothing. LeBron was "The Can't Miss Kid" since his early high school days! Let's not forget that LeBron James was on the cover of Sports Illustrated when he was a JUNIOR in high school! I think the other thing to keep in mind is that although he's "only 23", as you put it, he is a seasoned veteran, who has played 5 full seasons in the NBA. Making excuses for his "youth" no longer works with 5 years of NBA experience and an appearance in the NBA Finals!


John from Boston

[Luvsaugeri]

Just curious as to where you are getting your statistics at? Not being a smart ass. Would truely like to look at them. I am looking at nba.com and found a couple of things....

PLAYER NAME, TEAM NAME GP MPG PTS FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT%
1 LeBron James , CLE 75 40.4 30.0 10.6-21.9 .484 1.5-4.8 .315 7.3-10.3 .712
2 Kobe Bryant , LAL 82 38.9 28.3 9.5-20.6 .459 1.8-5.1 .361 7.6-9.0 .840

If I am reading this correctly....his attempted shots only average slightly over one more per game than Kobe. His percentage is slightly higher. 3 pointers is almost dead even.

When I look at 3 pt % (for the post season) I see Kobe at 43rd and LBJ at 50th.

Free throw shooting.....Kobe 36th, LBJ 58th (I will give you this one. I already said he needs work on this)

And I do consider other things besides scoring. For example....

Rebounds - LBJ 19th, Kobe 41st. Steals- LBJ 7th, Kobe 23rd, Assists- LBJ 7th, Kobe 10th, Blocks- LBJ 16th, Kobe 26th.


I just stand by my contention that you can't call him inconsistant. I agree with you....he has a long way to go to be a MJ. There are plenty areas of his game that I scream at him on the TV consistantly. But I still stand by my statement that if you get him at least one more all star that you would see his percentages climb. It's hard to get high percentages when you are attempting to score against 2 or 3 defenders.

[Enigma869]

Just curious as to where you are getting your statistics at? Not being a smart ass. Would truely like to look at them. I am looking at nba.com and found a couple of things....

PLAYER NAME, TEAM NAME GP MPG PTS FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT%
1 LeBron James , CLE 75 40.4 30.0 10.6-21.9 .484 1.5-4.8 .315 7.3-10.3 .712
2 Kobe Bryant , LAL 82 38.9 28.3 9.5-20.6 .459 1.8-5.1 .361 7.6-9.0 .840

If I am reading this correctly....his attempted shots only average slightly over one more per game than Kobe. His percentage is slightly higher. 3 pointers is almost dead even.

When I look at 3 pt % (for the post season) I see Kobe at 43rd and LBJ at 50th.

Free throw shooting.....Kobe 36th, LBJ 58th (I will give you this one. I already said he needs work on this)

And I do consider other things besides scoring. For example....

Rebounds - LBJ 19th, Kobe 41st. Steals- LBJ 7th, Kobe 23rd, Assists- LBJ 7th, Kobe 10th, Blocks- LBJ 16th, Kobe 26th.

There are sortable statistics on nba.com where I got all the numbers from. I'm not sure how this turned into a Kobe versus James argument, because I certainly never compared the two. Hell, I don't even think Kobe should have won the MVP (he's had better seasons than this past one). The numbers are what they are and you can look for yourself. Again, I wasn't comparing him to Kobe. I was simply pointing out that his percentages are DREADFUL!

As for the blocks and rebound argument...It's a silly argument to make. Kobe is a 6'6" (when he's in reality closer to 6'4") guard. LeBron is a 6'8" power forward, who is built like a football player! You're not going to see too many guards in the NBA with more blocked shots and rebounds than a power forward. Remember, guards play out on the perimeter, so they're not usually ever in position to block shots and rebound, and it's really not their job! If you look at that list of blocks and rebounds again, you won't see a single guard, in the entire NBA who crack the top 50 in either category!


John from Boston

[Michigan Girl]

For what it's worth, I believe LeBron is a great player. That said, he isn't Jordan, and the dopes in Cleveland should stop trying to tell us that he is! His performance in this round of the playoffs has not been great, or even good, thusfar. LeBron's legacy will be built in the playoffs, not what he does in the regular season. As most hardcore sports fans can tell you...the regular season means absolutely nothing! There is a reason guys like AROD have the reputation they have, and it's not because they rise to the occasion in the playoffs! AROD puts up HUGE numbers during the regular season, and I can tell you that there isn't anyone who fears the guy (except Yankees fans) in the playoffs, because he disappears EVERY season, when the playoffs roll around! I definitely agree with the statement that Kobe has FAR better players around him. Cleveland is not a great team, AT ALL! I think the trade they made gave them a team that isn't as strong. I watched some of those players with the Celtics, and they've bounced from team to team for a reason...they're simply not that good!


John from Boston

Where did I say he was Jordan? But in his defense....Jordan had Pippen. If LeBron had a "Pippen" things might be different. My whole point was that saying LBJ is inconsistant is not accurate. He is the ONLY consistant thing on the Cavs. It's the rest of the team that is inconsistant. If they all consistantly played like they did last night it would be a whole different story. He carries this team each and every night basically ALONE. And he consistantly does a
great job. He very rarely has an 'off' night but it does happen. As far as the playoffs go, the competition is 'upped' if you will and of course it becomes more difficult when you are playing one on five. Yes, he takes alot of shots.....because he has too. And most of those shots come while being double or triple teamed because let's face it, no team worries too much about guarding Ben Wallace or Anderson Varejao. But I'm telling you, get him another bonafide all star in there with him and I think you would start to see Kobe like numbers. Plus, remember, this kid is only 23 yrs old!! Now having said that.....there are a few things that LeBron needs to work on. His passing IS insonsistant and alot of times SUCKS!! He needs to work on his free throws and his outside shooting. But there is no way you can say he is inconsistant and there also no way this team can win an NBA finals until they get him at least one more all star. But that certainly won't be LeBron's fault. It will be because of the rest of the team.

Oh and as far as the "King" thing. I've yet to hear LBJ refer to himself as that. That came from the fans and media....no Lebron.

Lebron plays into the "KING" hype as well ~WITHIN the media...commercials and that sort of thing and the rest of us just follow suit. Kind of like AIR JORDAN...he didn't call himself that. My statement was based on the HERE and NOW stats, not when he aquires better teammates. Lebron IS GREAT and I believe he will one day be "KING". Kobe's name was used as an example of CONSISTANT FG%'s, nothing more. MJ's name came up for some reason and I made the statement he is no MJ. You yourself are stating that his passing is inconsistant, we are providing you w/the numbers and you are still going to defend LeBron.....you are a TRUE FAN!!!! I will say this, for as bad as his teammates are....LeBron still manages to shine at times AND win games. I would LOVE a LeBron on my team. HOWEVER, I stand by my statement......inconsistancy IS NOT just FG%'s it's every aspect of the game and the statement was not a personal attack on LJ nor was it a personal attack meant for you. My Original Statement.......

This is what I'm talking about w/Lebron. When his court joins, he is a POWERHOUSE!!
This is EXACTLY what he did to the PISTONS in game 3, Game 4 etc. last year
You just can NEVER count him out. But he is so INCONSISTANT, you just NEVER KNOW!!! VERY
HARD DUDE to read, When he's GOOD, he's GREAT...When he's BAD, he's USELESS!!
He's NO MJ and he's no KG either!!! But he Sure laid it on them tonight!!! Big Ben wink
Good Job Cleveland!!

I'm so lost in your arguement and I had to remind myself....what is it you don't agree with? We've provided you with the number's, FACTS, for the inconsistancy theory, made available ALL OVER the INTERNET. This statement was made in the last few minutes of game 3 when the Cav's had just PULVERIZED Boston and I'm stating that this is EXACTLY what he did to the PISTONS last season. Your response was to post an article from the double overtime game Pistons-Cavs????? I said NEVER count him out, when his teams decides to show up "LJ" is a POWERHOUSE!! Your response~ LJ would be a better player if he had a better team around him????? I said when he's good he's GREAT, when he's bad he's useless, again, look at his numbers!!!
I'm not afraid to admit this....I'M CONFUSED!!!!

[Saint John]

There is no comparison between Kobe Bryant and LeBron James at this time. Kobe is the far better all-around player in terms of scoring, making those around him better, and leadership. LeBron is young that's for sure, but you'll almost never see him talking to the guys on the bench, giving advice on the floor, or making in-game adjustments for himself as well as other teammates. Teammates look to Kobe Bryant for advice...you can see it in their eyes. Another thing about LeBron is that I've never seen him enter "the zone." That intangible place superstars are able to go and completely take over a game. Kobe has done it many times. Lastly, LeBron doesn't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer and I doubt he'll ever have half the mental toughness or desire that Bird, Magic Johnson, Jordan and Bryant had/have. Those guys simply hate losing. I don't get impression from James.

[Journey/Survivor]

For what it's worth, I believe LeBron is a great player. That said, he isn't Jordan, and the dopes in Cleveland should stop trying to tell us that he is! His performance in this round of the playoffs has not been great, or even good, thusfar. LeBron's legacy will be built in the playoffs, not what he does in the regular season. As most hardcore sports fans can tell you...the regular season means absolutely nothing! There is a reason guys like AROD have the reputation they have, and it's not because they rise to the occasion in the playoffs! AROD puts up HUGE numbers during the regular season, and I can tell you that there isn't anyone who fears the guy (except Yankees fans) in the playoffs, because he disappears EVERY season, when the playoffs roll around! I definitely agree with the statement that Kobe has FAR better players around him. Cleveland is not a great team, AT ALL! I think the trade they made gave them a team that isn't as strong. I watched some of those players with the Celtics, and they've bounced from team to team for a reason...they're simply not that good!


John from Boston

Jordan wasn't even in the playoffs at the age that James is right now. James is already breaking or setting records at an age that Jordan wasn't even in the NBA or was just starting out in the NBA. As of right now is James as Great as Jordan was in his prime? No, not yet. But James will only get better and better for the next 5 to 10 years. And there's an excellent chance that when all is said and done that James will be even better than Jordan was.

And if the Cavs are as bad as you make them out to be, then there's no question that James should have won the MVP award this year. Because if the Cavs are as bad as you make them out to be, then where would they have been this year without James?

[Journey/Survivor]

For what it's worth, I believe LeBron is a great player. That said, he isn't Jordan, and the dopes in Cleveland should stop trying to tell us that he is! His performance in this round of the playoffs has not been great, or even good, thusfar. LeBron's legacy will be built in the playoffs, not what he does in the regular season. As most hardcore sports fans can tell you...the regular season means absolutely nothing! There is a reason guys like AROD have the reputation they have, and it's not because they rise to the occasion in the playoffs! AROD puts up HUGE numbers during the regular season, and I can tell you that there isn't anyone who fears the guy (except Yankees fans) in the playoffs, because he disappears EVERY season, when the playoffs roll around! I definitely agree with the statement that Kobe has FAR better players around him. Cleveland is not a great team, AT ALL! I think the trade they made gave them a team that isn't as strong. I watched some of those players with the Celtics, and they've bounced from team to team for a reason...they're simply not that good!


John from Boston

Where did I say he was Jordan? But in his defense....Jordan had Pippen. If LeBron had a "Pippen" things might be different. My whole point was that saying LBJ is inconsistant is not accurate. He is the ONLY consistant thing on the Cavs. It's the rest of the team that is inconsistant. If they all consistantly played like they did last night it would be a whole different story. He carries this team each and every night basically ALONE. And he consistantly does a great job. He very rarely has an 'off' night but it does happen. As far as the playoffs go, the competition is 'upped' if you will and of course it becomes more difficult when you are playing one on five. Yes, he takes alot of shots.....because he has too. And most of those shots come while being double or triple teamed because let's face it, no team worries too much about guarding Ben Wallace or Anderson Varejao. But I'm telling you, get him another bonafide all star in there with him and I think you would start to see Kobe like numbers. Plus, remember, this kid is only 23 yrs old!! Now having said that.....there are a few things that LeBron needs to work on. His passing IS insonsistant and alot of times SUCKS!! He needs to work on his free throws and his outside shooting. But there is no way you can say he is inconsistant and there also no way this team can win an NBA finals until they get him at least one more all star. But that certainly won't be LeBron's fault. It will be because of the rest of the team.

Oh and as far as the "King" thing. I've yet to hear LBJ refer to himself as that. That came from the fans and media....no Lebron.

Give LeBron his "Pippen" and he destroys Kobe.

[Saint John]

And there's an excellent chance that when all is said and done that James will be even better than Jordan was.

No, there's not.

[Luvsaugeri]

For what it's worth, I believe LeBron is a great player. That said, he isn't Jordan, and the dopes in Cleveland should stop trying to tell us that he is! His performance in this round of the playoffs has not been great, or even good, thusfar. LeBron's legacy will be built in the playoffs, not what he does in the regular season. As most hardcore sports fans can tell you...the regular season means absolutely nothing! There is a reason guys like AROD have the reputation they have, and it's not because they rise to the occasion in the playoffs! AROD puts up HUGE numbers during the regular season, and I can tell you that there isn't anyone who fears the guy (except Yankees fans) in the playoffs, because he disappears EVERY season, when the playoffs roll around! I definitely agree with the statement that Kobe has FAR better players around him. Cleveland is not a great team, AT ALL! I think the trade they made gave them a team that isn't as strong. I watched some of those players with the Celtics, and they've bounced from team to team for a reason...they're simply not that good!


John from Boston

Where did I say he was Jordan? But in his defense....Jordan had Pippen. If LeBron had a "Pippen" things might be different. My whole point was that saying LBJ is inconsistant is not accurate. He is the ONLY consistant thing on the Cavs. It's the rest of the team that is inconsistant. If they all consistantly played like they did last night it would be a whole different story. He carries this team each and every night basically ALONE. And he consistantly does a
great job. He very rarely has an 'off' night but it does happen. As far as the playoffs go, the competition is 'upped' if you will and of course it becomes more difficult when you are playing one on five. Yes, he takes alot of shots.....because he has too. And most of those shots come while being double or triple teamed because let's face it, no team worries too much about guarding Ben Wallace or Anderson Varejao. But I'm telling you, get him another bonafide all star in there with him and I think you would start to see Kobe like numbers. Plus, remember, this kid is only 23 yrs old!! Now having said that.....there are a few things that LeBron needs to work on. His passing IS insonsistant and alot of times SUCKS!! He needs to work on his free throws and his outside shooting. But there is no way you can say he is inconsistant and there also no way this team can win an NBA finals until they get him at least one more all star. But that certainly won't be LeBron's fault. It will be because of the rest of the team.

Oh and as far as the "King" thing. I've yet to hear LBJ refer to himself as that. That came from the fans and media....no Lebron.

Lebron plays into the "KING" hype as well ~WITHIN the media...commercials and that sort of thing and the rest of us just follow suit. Kind of like AIR JORDAN...he didn't call himself that. My statement was based on the HERE and NOW stats, not when he aquires better teammates. Lebron IS GREAT and I believe he will one day be "KING". Kobe's name was used as an example of CONSISTANT FG%'s, nothing more. MJ's name came up for some reason and I made the statement he is no MJ. You yourself are stating that his passing is inconsistant, we are providing you w/the numbers and you are still going to defend LeBron.....you are a TRUE FAN!!!! I will say this, for as bad as his teammates are....LeBron still manages to shine at times AND win games. I would LOVE a LeBron on my team. HOWEVER, I stand by my statement......inconsistancy IS NOT just FG%'s it's every aspect of the game and the statement was not a personal attack on LJ nor was it a personal attack meant for you. My Original Statement.......

This is what I'm talking about w/Lebron. When his court joins, he is a POWERHOUSE!!
This is EXACTLY what he did to the PISTONS in game 3, Game 4 etc. last year
You just can NEVER count him out. But he is so INCONSISTANT, you just NEVER KNOW!!! VERY
HARD DUDE to read, When he's GOOD, he's GREAT...When he's BAD, he's USELESS!!
He's NO MJ and he's no KG either!!! But he Sure laid it on them tonight!!! Big Ben wink
Good Job Cleveland!!

I'm so lost in your arguement and I had to remind myself....what is it you don't agree with? We've provided you with the number's, FACTS, for the inconsistancy theory, made available ALL OVER the INTERNET. This statement was made in the last few minutes of game 3 when the Cav's had just PULVERIZED Boston and I'm stating that this is EXACTLY what he did to the PISTONS last season. Your response was to post an article from the double overtime game Pistons-Cavs????? I said NEVER count him out, when his teams decides to show up "LJ" is a POWERHOUSE!! Your response~ LJ would be a better player if he had a better team around him????? I said when he's good he's GREAT, when he's bad he's useless, again, look at his numbers!!!
I'm not afraid to admit this....I'M CONFUSED!!!!

You say he's inconsistant.....I say he's not. I was comparing numbers to Kobe who was brought up as a comparison. And alot of their numbers are similar yet nobody says Kobe is inconsistant. (which I'm not saying either) That's the bottom line. You have your opinions and numbers to back it up. I have my opinion and numbers to prove what I'm saying.

One thing I will adamently argue with you John is LeBron being a leader. I'm just going to assume you have not seen a majority of the Cavs games but I have. He is the undenied leader of that team. I have seen him numerous time rally his team even at one point physically pulling each and everyone of of them up off the bench and willing them to finish off the game. I will agree with you about the 'zone' thing. One of my complaints about LeBron is that he does not seem to have that 'killer instinct' to finish off a team.

[Journey/Survivor]

There is no comparison between Kobe Bryant and LeBron James at this time. Kobe is the far better all-around player in terms of scoring, making those around him better, and leadership. LeBron is young that's for sure, but you'll almost never see him talking to the guys on the bench, giving advice on the floor, or making in-game adjustments for himself as well as other teammates. Teammates look to Kobe Bryant for advice...you can see it in their eyes. Another thing about LeBron is that I've never seen him enter "the zone." That intangible place superstars are able to go and completely take over a game. Kobe has done it many times. Lastly, LeBron doesn't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer and I doubt he'll ever have half the mental toughness or desire that Bird, Magic Johnson, Jordan and Bryant had/have. Those guys simply hate losing. I don't get impression from James.

If ANY TEAM was going to build an NBA franchise around any 1 player who is currently in the NBA, it would be LeBron James. Not Kobe.

The only think Kobe does better at times is score, and this year LeBron was even better at that.

[Journey/Survivor]

And there's an excellent chance that when all is said and done that James will be even better than Jordan was.

No, there's not.

Seeing as LeBron is already doing things that Jordan couldn't have dreamed about doing at this age, and seeing as LeBron is going to get better and better each year, it's probable that James finishes his career better than Jordan.

[Michigan Girl]

You say he's inconsistant.....I say he's not. I was comparing numbers to Kobe who was brought up as a comparison. And alot of their numbers are similar yet nobody says Kobe is inconsistant. (which I'm not saying either) That's the bottom line. You have your opinions and numbers to back it up. I have my opinion and numbers to prove what I'm saying.

Fair enough!!! None the less, I WISH you, LeBron and the CAV's much luck!!!

[Luvsaugeri]

You say he's inconsistant.....I say he's not. I was comparing numbers to Kobe who was brought up as a comparison. And alot of their numbers are similar yet nobody says Kobe is inconsistant. (which I'm not saying either) That's the bottom line. You have your opinions and numbers to back it up. I have my opinion and numbers to prove what I'm saying.

Fair enough!!! None the less, I WISH you, LeBron and the CAV's much luck!!!

Now should we argue Buckeyes and Wolverines??

[Michigan Girl]

You say he's inconsistant.....I say he's not. I was comparing numbers to Kobe who was brought up as a comparison. And alot of their numbers are similar yet nobody says Kobe is inconsistant. (which I'm not saying either) That's the bottom line. You have your opinions and numbers to back it up. I have my opinion and numbers to prove what I'm saying.

Fair enough!!! None the less, I WISH you, LeBron and the CAV's much luck!!!

Now should we argue Buckeyes and Wolverines??

YOU SILLY GIRL!!! I don't have MUCH to argue about at this point!!!
I DO LOVE my team though!!!

[Michigan Girl]

This JAZZ~LAKER's game is FRIGGIN' AWESOME!!!

[Luvsaugeri]

I DO LOVE my team though!!!

And that's all that matters!! That's what it's all about!!

[Since 78]

This JAZZ~LAKER's game is FRIGGIN' AWESOME!!!

OT, Whew!!! Great Game!!! Lets Go L.A.

[Enigma869]

Seeing as LeBron is already doing things that Jordan couldn't have dreamed about doing at this age

Once again, your arguments are beyond moronic, Lake Erie Boy! Listen, I've already said I believe LeBron will go down as one of the NBA greats, but you coming in here and making Jordan sound like a nobody makes you sound like the jackass I know you to be! To make a comment about LeBron doing things at this age that Jordan "dreamed about doing" ignores the point that LeBron has 5 years experience and Jordan at the same age hadn't even completed his second season! Jordan was 22 in his rookie season, and James is 23 in his 5th season, so the comparison is fucking stupid! Another thing to be mindful of is this...Even if LeBron breaks every record Jordan ever held (which won't happen), it still doesn't mean he's better! As I pointed out, he's probably going to end up playing 5 years longer!

it's probable that James finishes his career better than Jordan.

It's also "probable" that you don't have two brain cells connected!


John from Bosotn

[Luvsaugeri]

This JAZZ~LAKER's game is FRIGGIN' AWESOME!!!

It is great. Although I am pulling for the Jazz. I always root for the underdog. It comes from being a Cleveland sports fan for so many years!!

[Michigan Girl]

THAT WAS A GREAT GAME!!!!
CONGRATS~ DNA and Utah Fans!!!

Sorry~ 78 & RBJ BACK to L.A.!!!!

[RebornJrny]

THAT WAS A GREAT GAME!!!!
CONGRATS~ DNA and Utah Fans!!!

Sorry~ 78 & RBJ BACK to L.A.!!!!

Kobe didn't do any shit today Maybe he's hurting?

[Maui Tom]

THAT WAS A GREAT GAME!!!!
CONGRATS~ DNA and Utah Fans!!!

Sorry~ 78 & RBJ BACK to L.A.!!!!

Kobe didn't do any shit today Maybe he's hurting?

his back is fucked up...

[Since 78]

THAT WAS A GREAT GAME!!!!
CONGRATS~ DNA and Utah Fans!!!

Sorry~ 78 & RBJ BACK to L.A.!!!!

Oh Well, Great Game. Congrats DNA, your guys played great! on to game 5.

[Loneman1]

GO JAZZ!!

[lights1961]

You say he's inconsistant.....I say he's not. I was comparing numbers to Kobe who was brought up as a comparison. And alot of their numbers are similar yet nobody says Kobe is inconsistant. (which I'm not saying either) That's the bottom line. You have your opinions and numbers to back it up. I have my opinion and numbers to prove what I'm saying.

Fair enough!!! None the less, I WISH you, LeBron and the CAV's much luck!!!

Now should we argue Buckeyes and Wolverines??

go buckeyes!! sorry Christine.. I just wish my cyclones were in the same
league as these two amazing schools... i can only sit back and dream.


so the jazz are tied now???
remember jordan was amazing in HIS TIME--and James is amazing in HIS TIME....cant compare the two yet...that is like comparing the big O with Pistal pete..two different eras..


Rick

[Michigan Girl]

You say he's inconsistant.....I say he's not. I was comparing numbers to Kobe who was brought up as a comparison. And alot of their numbers are similar yet nobody says Kobe is inconsistant. (which I'm not saying either) That's the bottom line. You have your opinions and numbers to back it up. I have my opinion and numbers to prove what I'm saying.

Fair enough!!! None the less, I WISH you, LeBron and the CAV's much luck!!!

Now should we argue Buckeyes and Wolverines??

go buckeyes!! sorry Christine.. I just wish my cyclones were in the same
league as these two amazing schools... i can only sit back and dream.
so the jazz are tied now???
remember jordan was amazing in HIS TIME--and James is amazing in HIS TIME....cant compare the two yet...that is like comparing the big O with Pistal pete..two different eras..
Rick

Yes ~JAZZ/LAKERS Series TIED!!!
Great GAME between two GREAT teams!!! VERY Impressive!!!
Kobe hurt his back at some point and wasn't producing like he normally does!!!
But the JAZZ~WOW!!

That's ok, I'm used to being the LONE WOLVERINE around here....it's all good!!

Now on to SA/N'AWLINS!!! Let's GO!!!!