OT WHY I LOVE BUSH as our LEADER

[Eric]

when did obama say he would negotiate with terrorists and radicals? politics as usual

I dont know when he said it.... but the guys from Hamas must have heard the same thing, after all they saw fit to say what a good thing it would be if he were elected!

and now we will quote hamas to support w? show me where obama said he will negotiate with terrorists and radicals. good luck.

Yousef (an advisor for Hamas) "endorsed" Obama, hoping he would become President. I wouldn't want terorrists endorsing me. I feel like that says something.

[Saint John]

when did obama say he would negotiate with terrorists and radicals? politics as usual

I dont know when he said it.... but the guys from Hamas must have heard the same thing, after all they saw fit to say what a good thing it would be if he were elected!

and now we will quote hamas to support w? show me where obama said he will negotiate with terrorists and radicals. good luck.

"And what we should be doing is reaching out aggressively to our allies, but also talking to our enemies and focusing on those areas where we do not accept their actions, whether it be terrorism or developing nuclear weapons, but also talking to Iran directly about the potential carrots that we can provide in terms of them being involved in the World Trade Organization, or beginning to look at the possibilities of diplomatic relations being normalized."

Checkmate.

[Eric]

when did obama say he would negotiate with terrorists and radicals? politics as usual

I dont know when he said it.... but the guys from Hamas must have heard the same thing, after all they saw fit to say what a good thing it would be if he were elected!

and now we will quote hamas to support w? show me where obama said he will negotiate with terrorists and radicals. good luck.

Good luck? It takes 2 seconds to google a myriad of ridiculously idealstic statements he's made to this effect. He said would "sit down with foreign leaders, even objectionable dictators."

Come on Lula! Do you even know anything about this guy??

[Saint John]

when did obama say he would negotiate with terrorists and radicals? politics as usual

I dont know when he said it.... but the guys from Hamas must have heard the same thing, after all they saw fit to say what a good thing it would be if he were elected!

and now we will quote hamas to support w? show me where obama said he will negotiate with terrorists and radicals. good luck.

Good luck? It takes 2 seconds to google a myriad of ridiculously idealstic statements he's made to this effect. He said would "sit down with foreign leaders, even objectionable dictators."

Come on Lula! Do you even know anything about this guy??

You mean like this?... "But we nevertheless have to take steps that are not only engaging Iraqis — the Shia, the Sunni and the Kurds — but also engaging Iran, Syria and other powers in the region."

[Eric]

when did obama say he would negotiate with terrorists and radicals? politics as usual

I dont know when he said it.... but the guys from Hamas must have heard the same thing, after all they saw fit to say what a good thing it would be if he were elected!

and now we will quote hamas to support w? show me where obama said he will negotiate with terrorists and radicals. good luck.

Good luck? It takes 2 seconds to google a myriad of ridiculously idealstic statements he's made to this effect. He said would "sit down with foreign leaders, even objectionable dictators."

Come on Lula! Do you even know anything about this guy??

You mean like this?... "But we nevertheless have to take steps that are not only engaging Iraqis — the Shia, the Sunni and the Kurds — but also engaging Iran, Syria and other powers in the region."

And you know what......the bigger problem isn't the people who don't know he's said these things,,,,,,but the people who support the above statements!

[The_Noble_Cause]

"And what we should be doing is reaching out aggressively to our allies, but also talking to our enemies and focusing on those areas where we do not accept their actions, whether it be terrorism or developing nuclear weapons, but also talking to Iran directly about the potential carrots that we can provide in terms of them being involved in the World Trade Organization, or beginning to look at the possibilities of diplomatic relations being normalized."
Checkmate.

Again, we have been talking with N. Korea and Iran, so your point is moot.
This is nothing but more McCarthy-esque demagoguery and tough talk of the "bring 'em on" variety.
You guys are bankrupt morally and politically.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You mean like this?... "But we nevertheless have to take steps that are not only engaging Iraqis — the Shia, the Sunni and the Kurds — but also engaging Iran, Syria and other powers in the region."

Umm, we are actively doing that right now.
As for Syria, both Nancy Pelosi, along with a Republican delegation were over there as recently as 2007.

[Lula]

i'm in the camp of talks being a nice alternative to dropping bombs and do not equate talks with weakness. i see no harm in talking. to bargain away, no, but to open the door to communication, yes.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yousef (an advisor for Hamas) "endorsed" Obama, hoping he would become President. I wouldn't want terorrists endorsing me. I feel like that says something.

Just like the Osama video that came out right before the '04 elections.
Meanwhile the continuance of Bush policies for four more years have been the greatest terrorist recruiting tool in history.

You're being played, and are too dumb to know it.

[Eric]

i'm in the camp of talks being a nice alternative to dropping bombs and do not equate talks with weakness. i see no harm in talking. to bargain away, no, but to open the door to communication, yes.

But that doesn't work with evil. Chamberlain (among other world leaders) were fooled multiple times by Hitler.

[Eric]

You guys are bankrupt morally and politically.

You throw this around so much it just doesn't have any meaning......

[Lula]

when did obama say he would negotiate with terrorists and radicals? politics as usual

I dont know when he said it.... but the guys from Hamas must have heard the same thing, after all they saw fit to say what a good thing it would be if he were elected!

and now we will quote hamas to support w? show me where obama said he will negotiate with terrorists and radicals. good luck.

Good luck? It takes 2 seconds to google a myriad of ridiculously idealstic statements he's made to this effect. He said would "sit down with foreign leaders, even objectionable dictators."

Come on Lula! Do you even know anything about this guy??

i know he is not a war monger. i know his beliefs are more similar to mine than the other candidate. i know he has faults. i know sitting down does not mean we surrender to your lunacy. w is playing his ploitical game.... using negotiate as though obama is ready to give away keys to the city or something.

[Lula]

i'm in the camp of talks being a nice alternative to dropping bombs and do not equate talks with weakness. i see no harm in talking. to bargain away, no, but to open the door to communication, yes.

But that doesn't work with evil. Chamberlain (among other world leaders) were fooled multiple times by Hitler.

well i suppose if some were fooled we should abandon all hopes of using diplomacy, silly me.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You throw this around so much it just doesn't have any meaning......

When u cease to acknowledge the complex political realities of the world in which you live, I’d imagine everything begins to lose meaning.
As a modern party, you are not bound to history or by truth. Or even the social mores that unite us as human beings.
It’s increasingly whatever pretext just gets you thru the latest scandal dujour.

The suffocating carrion stench emanating from the Capitol is slowly wafting into the hinterland ....seats that have gone GOP for years in red state bastions are suddenly turning blue.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Always remember!
It's never ok to talk to the enemy, but if you want to flick your tongue in his ear hair and make him come hither, go right ahead!

[The_Noble_Cause]

But that doesn't work with evil. Chamberlain (among other world leaders) were fooled multiple times by Hitler.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/15/kev ... -appeaser/

[conversationpc]

Iran is a totally different case. Those in charge in Iran have a radical Islamic philosophy driving EVERYTHING they do. This philosophy believes in bringing about the end times as believed by their band of radicals. They WANT to bring about violence and bloodshed in the hopes that their 12th Imam (Islamic messiah) will reappear to lead their people into some kind of glorious worldwide Islamic paradise. Because of that, they have no qualms about sacrificing their very own lives to achieve that purpose. This makes them unlike any enemy that we've ever gone to war with (although to a small degree, this was like the Kamikaze fighters in WWII). They cannot be reasoned with or dissuaded from their goal because they only want to bring about total chaos even if it means losing millions of their own people and parts or all of their own country in the process.

More Beck end-of-days holyroller nonsense.

No, this isn't what Beck believes or Christians, for that matter. This is what many Islamic radicals believe in their own religion. Whether we believe it or not doesn't matter because they do.

[conversationpc]

The suffocating carrion stench emanating from the Capitol is slowly wafting into the hinterland ....seats that have gone GOP for years in red state bastions are suddenly turning blue.

...and with the Democrats gaining additional power in the Senate and House of Representatives in November's election, people will eventually become tired of them using the same tactics that got the Republicans into trouble. They'll most likely lose power in the next election in 2010. Let's face it, everyone knows the Dems are just as bad as the Repubs are and it's been business as normal in Washington since they regained the majority.

[Tomulator]

this statement he gets it totally, i know i will be tarred and feathered for it...but who gives a rats ass when your right about the most important thing!!

ABC News' Ed O'Keefe Reports: The Obama campaign is taking issue with a comment President Bush made while speaking to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's statehood.

"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," the President said to the country's legislative body, "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is –- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

The best thing is all the usual democtrats are insulted... so you know this statement is a HOME RUN!!!



PS to andrew...if you want to close this out if the firestorm gets to harsh at one another be my guest..



Rick

Amen.

Bush is correct.

[Eric]

But that doesn't work with evil. Chamberlain (among other world leaders) were fooled multiple times by Hitler.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/15/kev ... -appeaser/

Chamberlain met with Hitler 3 times...and each time took Hitler at his word. So, I guess what I'd ask you is what you hope to gain by talking to a evil lunatic to who doesn't respect your way of life and wants you wiped off the map? You'd sit down and negotiate and give in to some demands.....I guess my assumption is that appeasement is inevitable if you're willing to talk with a terrorist.

[MJM1959]

I am still waiting for Mr Bush and the rest of the "Bomb and Borrow" Neocons to offer any of their ideas for a solution. However, waiting for that is like waiting for hell to freeze over. Complex problems require more forsight and thought than the run of the mill neocon is capable of. Their solutions begin and end with easily digested by the masses sound bites and a quick trigger finger.

However, instead of debate the issue. I think I will take a cue from our great leader and just grab a baseball bat and go around and club the opposite side into submission.

[conversationpc]

I am still waiting for Mr Bush and the rest of the "Bomb and Borrow" Neocons to offer any of their ideas for a solution. However, waiting for that is like waiting for hell to freeze over. Complex problems require more forsight and thought than the run of the mill neocon is capable of. Their solutions begin and end with easily digested by the masses sound bites and a quick trigger finger.

However, instead of debate the issue. I think I will take a cue from our great leader and just grab a baseball bat and go around and club the opposite side into submission.

Give me a break. Yeah, let's just lump all "neocons" (ooh, there's a buzzword for ya) into the same group of barely cognizant humanoids.

BTW, your last sentence sounds like an awfully good description of many Democratic voters who simply vote for whoever is going to give them all the "free" government programs their hearts desire.

[The_Noble_Cause]

...and it's been business as normal in Washington since they regained the majority.

Yea...a hair's breath majority resting on ONE singular vote: Leiberman, who's an independent that caucuses with the Dems.
The Dems can't push anything thru.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Chamberlain met with Hitler 3 times...and each time took Hitler at his word. So, I guess what I'd ask you is what you hope to gain by talking to a evil lunatic to who doesn't respect your way of life and wants you wiped off the map?

Just who on the current global stage are you awkwardly trying to compare to the Nazi war machine?

You'd sit down and negotiate and give in to some demands.....I guess my assumption is that appeasement is inevitable if you're willing to talk with a terrorist.

Who is the terrorist?

[lights1961]

Chamberlain met with Hitler 3 times...and each time took Hitler at his word. So, I guess what I'd ask you is what you hope to gain by talking to a evil lunatic to who doesn't respect your way of life and wants you wiped off the map?

Just who on the current global stage are you awkwardly trying to compare to the Nazi war machine?

You'd sit down and negotiate and give in to some demands.....I guess my assumption is that appeasement is inevitable if you're willing to talk with a terrorist.

Who is the terrorist?

um who wants to destroy isreal most of the arab world wants to see the jewish nation eleminated...why else is there hammas and palestine and IRAN and the list goes on...
they are the terrorist who are acting like nazis... BUSH is comments were not DIRECTED AT OBAMA it was more at CARTER for talking to HAMMAS--and the speech was directed
at IRAN--- i think we would DEMOLISH IRAN WITH ONE NUKE BOMB if they went after ISREAL... now if OBAMA or GORE OR KERRY were the leaders that wont happen.. they would whine that everyone should love us...WHAAAAAA. why dont they love us... BLAH BLAH BLAH...

Rick

[Barb]

Obama is making a fool of himself by reacting so strongly to this situation. I think he's probably making himself look worse by continuing to justify why we should deal with these people.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Obama is making a fool of himself by reacting so strongly to this situation. I think he's probably making himself look worse by continuing to justify why we should deal with these people.

Yea, maybe he should just hide below decks like Kerry did with the Swift Boat scum.
That worked so well.

I defy anyone here to list the "enemies" Obama has supposedly agreed to engage with, that we are not already interacting with on some level.

[Eric]

Just who on the current global stage are you awkwardly trying to compare to the Nazi war machine?

That Nazi War machine was allowed to grow. We can't allow someone like Mahmoud gain any traction....for an example.

[conversationpc]

...and it's been business as normal in Washington since they regained the majority.

Yea...a hair's breath majority resting on ONE singular vote: Leiberman, who's an independent that caucuses with the Dems.
The Dems can't push anything thru.

Hey, if the Repubs were the majority and the same thing was happening, you'd be screaming about how they weren't accomplishing anything, blah blah blah. Same thing applies to the Dems when they are in control.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Swift Boat scum?

Bite me jerk. Say that to their face would ya?

Another pious GOP lugnut supporting our troops on a discriminatory basis.

You’re defending a 527 political action group whose ENTIREpurpose was to defame a veteran’s record of distinguished military service, and yet somehow, enabled by your party’s pathological blindness to its own hypocrisy, you now wish to wear the flag in a fit of false moral outrage?

LOL…please stop…I am wearing boat shorts today and can’t afford to shit myself.

By the by, that SUV with the yellow-ribbon-Jesus-fish slapped on the bumper, doesn’t make you any more of a patriot, it just alerts passerbys that you are a michelob-drinking NASCAR dad.
In other words, expendable white trash.