Barak says we can't eat and drive and stay warm anymore

[Saint John]

Shouldn't this be in the politics thread?

Dude, you've lurked on this board for over 2 years. You should know there are off-topic threads started (95 % of the time by John from fucking Boston!!! ). This comment renders you somewhere between Helen Keller and Terry Schiavo on the IQ chart.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Like most liberals, I'm guessing that you hope he does.

The Iraq policy will end in failure regardless of troop strength, tactical decisions, and the least of all, what I happen to think of it.
It cannot be won millitarily.

[Tito]

I say leave, so they have a civil war. If they are fighting with each other they can't f*ck with us. Plus, they'll kill each other which means no problems long term.

[AlteredDNA]

I say leave, so they have a civil war. If they are fighting with each other they can't f*ck with us. Plus, they'll kill each other which means no problems long term.

Seriously?

[AlteredDNA]

You can't have it both ways - you use the Downing Street Memo as the Holy Grail ("end of story") to accuse Bush et al of cherry picking and ignoring facts to make the case for WMDs, while that very same document puts forth the assertion that Saddam could use WMDs.

The memo proves beyond questionable doubt that Bush was agressively angling for a way to takes us to war, going so far as to even invent unused provocations. Bush maintains that he exhausted all diplomatic options and had no choice but to invade - a claim he clings to to this day.
This idea has been poo-pooed by more insider testimonials and even some admninistration officials than I care to get into.

By now, if after all the mounting evidence, you still wish to remain willfully blind and braindead that is not my problem.

So rather than enforce the existing UN Resolutions, Bush should have asked for more?

[RedWingFan]

You can't have it both ways - you use the Downing Street Memo as the Holy Grail ("end of story") to accuse Bush et al of cherry picking and ignoring facts to make the case for WMDs, while that very same document puts forth the assertion that Saddam could use WMDs.

The memo proves beyond questionable doubt that Bush was agressively angling for a way to takes us to war, going so far as to even invent unused provocations. Bush maintains that he exhausted all diplomatic options and had no choice but to invade - a claim he clings to to this day.
This idea has been poo-pooed by more insider testimonials and even some admninistration officials than I care to get into.

By now, if after all the mounting evidence, you still wish to remain willfully blind and braindead that is not my problem.

So rather than enforce the existing UN Resolutions, Bush should have asked for more?

Like gun laws!

[Saint John]

Barack should take a fucking ride with Ted Kennedy or go hunting with Dick Cheney.

[conversationpc]

I say leave, so they have a civil war. If they are fighting with each other they can't f*ck with us. Plus, they'll kill each other which means no problems long term.

So we just let another possible Cambodia-type situation occur again because WE decide to turn tail and run?

[conversationpc]

Barack should take a fucking ride with Ted Kennedy or go hunting with Dick Cheney.

Or he could play it safe and play football with John Kerry...

[Rick]

I say leave, so they have a civil war. If they are fighting with each other they can't f*ck with us. Plus, they'll kill each other which means no problems long term.

So we just let another possible Cambodia-type situation occur again because WE decide to turn tail and run?

We could just stay there and spend billions more, lose more American soldiers lives and accomplish nothing, like we have so far. The country is worse off than when we arrived because now it's in utter chaos, and have now instilled a far deeper hate towards the U.S. than was there before.

[RedWingFan]

I say leave, so they have a civil war. If they are fighting with each other they can't f*ck with us. Plus, they'll kill each other which means no problems long term.

So we just let another possible Cambodia-type situation occur again because WE decide to turn tail and run?

We could just stay there and spend billions more, lose more American soldiers lives and accomplish nothing, like we have so far. The country is worse off than when we arrived because now it's in utter chaos, and have now instilled a far deeper hate towards the U.S. than was there before.

Who was polled here? American citizens? What do you expect? Let me ask you this. How many positive stories have you seen about Iraq on the news? Rick, ever think perception through a liberal media could skew these numbers? When things go well in Iraq all we get from the media is silence. Ever notice that?
How many stories does your local media report that start with the phrase, "Today at the DFW airport there were no plane crashes?"
They don't report schools opening or drops in violence. Only car bombs and dead soldiers.

[Rick]

I say leave, so they have a civil war. If they are fighting with each other they can't f*ck with us. Plus, they'll kill each other which means no problems long term.

So we just let another possible Cambodia-type situation occur again because WE decide to turn tail and run?

We could just stay there and spend billions more, lose more American soldiers lives and accomplish nothing, like we have so far. The country is worse off than when we arrived because now it's in utter chaos, and have now instilled a far deeper hate towards the U.S. than was there before.

Who was polled here? American citizens? What do you expect? Let me ask you this. How many positive stories have you seen about Iraq on the news? Rick, ever think perception through a liberal media could skew these numbers? When things go well in Iraq all we get from the media is silence. Ever notice that?

Iraqis

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/10/poll-iraq-sept07/

[RedWingFan]

I say leave, so they have a civil war. If they are fighting with each other they can't f*ck with us. Plus, they'll kill each other which means no problems long term.

So we just let another possible Cambodia-type situation occur again because WE decide to turn tail and run?

We could just stay there and spend billions more, lose more American soldiers lives and accomplish nothing, like we have so far. The country is worse off than when we arrived because now it's in utter chaos, and have now instilled a far deeper hate towards the U.S. than was there before.

Who was polled here? American citizens? What do you expect? Let me ask you this. How many positive stories have you seen about Iraq on the news? Rick, ever think perception through a liberal media could skew these numbers? When things go well in Iraq all we get from the media is silence. Ever notice that?

Iraqis

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/10/poll-iraq-sept07/

Don't know who "thinkprogress" is but I'd be interested to see a current poll following the surge.

[Rick]

I say leave, so they have a civil war. If they are fighting with each other they can't f*ck with us. Plus, they'll kill each other which means no problems long term.

So we just let another possible Cambodia-type situation occur again because WE decide to turn tail and run?

We could just stay there and spend billions more, lose more American soldiers lives and accomplish nothing, like we have so far. The country is worse off than when we arrived because now it's in utter chaos, and have now instilled a far deeper hate towards the U.S. than was there before.

Who was polled here? American citizens? What do you expect? Let me ask you this. How many positive stories have you seen about Iraq on the news? Rick, ever think perception through a liberal media could skew these numbers? When things go well in Iraq all we get from the media is silence. Ever notice that?

Iraqis

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/10/poll-iraq-sept07/

Don't know who "thinkprogress" is but I'd be interested to see a current poll following the surge.

Me too. Hopefully a better poll.

[7 Wishes]

What do the Iraquis have to do with it? I mean, since when does their opinion about their lives, or the fact that hundreds of thousands of them are dead, have to do with anything? What matters is what America thinks, and by America, I mean the Bush Administration. Everyone else is irrelevant, and if you're against the war, you're a terrorist.

Are you a terrorist, Rick? I've got Dickie Cheney's hotline number on autodial.

[RedWingFan]

What do the Iraquis have to do with it? I mean, since when does their opinion about their lives, or the fact that hundreds of thousands of them are dead, have to do with anything? What matters is what America thinks, and by America, I mean the Bush Administration.

I believe the President publicly stated years ago that if the Iraqi gov't wants us to leave. We'd leave, they want us and need us there. They know the chaos and slaughter that would take place if we left. You think we should just abandon those that we've trained and took up arms with? You complain about dead Iraqis and in the next sentence call for US action that would lead to even more of it.

[FishinMagician]

i dont see how we have been dicking around in iraq for so long and instead of cheaper gas prices they are more expensive

[RedWingFan]

i dont see how we have been dicking around in iraq for so long and instead of cheaper gas prices they are more expensive

I know kind of flies in the face of liberal cries that we're invading to steal all their oil doesn't it!

[FishinMagician]

i dont see how we have been dicking around in iraq for so long and instead of cheaper gas prices they are more expensive

I know kind of flies in the face of liberal cries that we're invading to steal all their oil doesn't it!

thats what i was thinking!

[conversationpc]

We could just stay there and spend billions more, lose more American soldiers lives and accomplish nothing, like we have so far. The country is worse off than when we arrived because now it's in utter chaos, and have now instilled a far deeper hate towards the U.S. than was there before.

Look, I'm not a big fan of the post-war, peacekeeping decisions of Iraq's government and our government's decisions on how to carry things out but what you said above is just not true. Iraq is now far from being in utter chaos. It's doing far better now than before the troop surge this time last year (something liberals just can't admit to no matter the evidence) and, yes, there is still some real, substantive progress to be made.

As far as deeper hate, most of the soldiers I've heard stories from tell about how cooperative and thankful the Iraqi people are that they come into contact with on a daily basis. Again, I know of stories from the other side but, for the most part, you don't hear the good stories on the news because, as you know, "if it bleeds, it leads". Good stories don't make for good news, in their eyes.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Barack should take a fucking ride with Ted Kennedy or go hunting with Dick Cheney.

Or he could play it safe and play football with John Kerry...

Personally, I think he should take more bowling tips from Poppy Bush.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uhxQoWHBbaw

[The_Noble_Cause]

http://www.aina.org/news/20080521154105.htm

Al Qaeda in Iraq is not the problem.

[conversationpc]

Personally, I think he should take more bowling tips from Poppy Bush.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uhxQoWHBbaw

President Bush obviously doesn't get his athletic abilities from Bush Sr. That was good.

[Rick]

We could just stay there and spend billions more, lose more American soldiers lives and accomplish nothing, like we have so far. The country is worse off than when we arrived because now it's in utter chaos, and have now instilled a far deeper hate towards the U.S. than was there before.

Look, I'm not a big fan of the post-war, peacekeeping decisions of Iraq's government and our government's decisions on how to carry things out but what you said above is just not true. Iraq is now far from being in utter chaos. It's doing far better now than before the troop surge this time last year (something liberals just can't admit to no matter the evidence) and, yes, there is still some real, substantive progress to be made.

As far as deeper hate, most of the soldiers I've heard stories from tell about how cooperative and thankful the Iraqi people are that they come into contact with on a daily basis. Again, I know of stories from the other side but, for the most part, you don't hear the good stories on the news because, as you know, "if it bleeds, it leads". Good stories don't make for good news, in their eyes.

I agree with your views regarding the media, nothing but vultures.

[RossValoryRocks]

We could just stay there and spend billions more, lose more American soldiers lives and accomplish nothing, like we have so far. The country is worse off than when we arrived because now it's in utter chaos, and have now instilled a far deeper hate towards the U.S. than was there before.

Look, I'm not a big fan of the post-war, peacekeeping decisions of Iraq's government and our government's decisions on how to carry things out but what you said above is just not true. Iraq is now far from being in utter chaos. It's doing far better now than before the troop surge this time last year (something liberals just can't admit to no matter the evidence) and, yes, there is still some real, substantive progress to be made.

As far as deeper hate, most of the soldiers I've heard stories from tell about how cooperative and thankful the Iraqi people are that they come into contact with on a daily basis. Again, I know of stories from the other side but, for the most part, you don't hear the good stories on the news because, as you know, "if it bleeds, it leads". Good stories don't make for good news, in their eyes.

I agree with your views regarding the media, nothing but vultures.

HA...so are most of the politicians they cover!

[Rick]

We could just stay there and spend billions more, lose more American soldiers lives and accomplish nothing, like we have so far. The country is worse off than when we arrived because now it's in utter chaos, and have now instilled a far deeper hate towards the U.S. than was there before.

Look, I'm not a big fan of the post-war, peacekeeping decisions of Iraq's government and our government's decisions on how to carry things out but what you said above is just not true. Iraq is now far from being in utter chaos. It's doing far better now than before the troop surge this time last year (something liberals just can't admit to no matter the evidence) and, yes, there is still some real, substantive progress to be made.

As far as deeper hate, most of the soldiers I've heard stories from tell about how cooperative and thankful the Iraqi people are that they come into contact with on a daily basis. Again, I know of stories from the other side but, for the most part, you don't hear the good stories on the news because, as you know, "if it bleeds, it leads". Good stories don't make for good news, in their eyes.

I agree with your views regarding the media, nothing but vultures.

HA...so are most of the politicians they cover!