New Cain Interview

[SusieP]

JSS wowed us all.
All sold out and we were left wanting more.

Don't you dare speak for everyone. Furthermore, if you wanted "more" you could have easily joined the 50 or so people per show that saw him during his last go around a few months back. You, like many others, fail to realize that Journey was the draw, not Jeff. And the fact that they're now playing even bigger venues with a singer that has never even stepped foot in Europe is proof of that. Go stand in the corner now.

Thats only cause they are sharing the bill with Heart and maybe Cheep Thick.{doubt it} Journey by themselves couldnt even fill 1/3 of a big venue

Heart & Cheap Trick aren't on the bill with them here - so that can't be the reason they have gone to larger venues. We are getting John Parr.
And from what styxman has said, it looks like it is only in my nearest city that they are playing a bigger venue than last year anyway.

My mistake. I was talkin about The US

Your avatar is very jolly, BTW!


Have you been drinking St John's beer?

[Saint John]

Have you been drinking St John's beer?

Watch it, Roxette!

[SusieP]

Have you been drinking St John's beer?

Watch it, Roxette!

[Carlitto H@kk]

Maybe not you, but there are some on this board who truly believe that.

Like Saint John, you just make shit up.

Amend my first answer. Maybe it does include you. LOL j/k

I believe the combo of Schon/Soto/Cain had what it takes to take Journey someplace else musically, and not just run on the fumes of the dead.
We'll never know.

I do not make shit up. As a long time lurker, these are my (accurate) observations of many on this board.

Now, look at your next answer. Schon/Soto/Cain had what it takes... Although not as over the top as others, point being, you still think this thing could've taken off. Again, not saying it was impossible, but realistically probably not. Not to mention, Soto has never had any commerical success. Soul Sirkus w/ Schon and Soto didn't do anything, and each person has their opinion of the quality of that disc. So, what would change now? The missing ingredient, the much maligned, Jon CAIN?

Realistically, the ONLY reason Revelation may take off is:
1. The Walmart Deal and the publicity/promotion that follows.
2. The exploitation of Arnel's "Fairy-tale Come True" story...

Musically, Revelation will be "good" but nothing new or exciting.
Yes, apparently most Journey fans WANT to keep hearing the same
formula used over and over and over again.

But, an album written by Schon/Cain/Soto with the same Walmart deal
would probably had been more exciting and "fresh", with a bigger
potential for success with younger audiences. Just my opinion.

[stevew2]

Thanks, I have to give credit to my daughter she is as weird as I am. I am not drinking now,took some Tramadol for a bruised rib, it didnt do a thing

[SusieP]

Thanks, I have to give credit to my daughter she is as weird as I am. I am not drinking now,took some Tramadol for a bruised rib, it didnt do a thing

Maybe Tramadol AND St John's beer would numb the pain?

[Tito]

Realistically, the ONLY reason Revelation may take off is:
1. The Walmart Deal and the publicity/promotion that follows.
2. The exploitation of Arnel's "Fairy-tale Come True" story...

Musically, Revelation will be "good" but nothing new or exciting.
Yes, apparently most Journey fans WANT to keep hearing the same
formula used over and over and over again.

But, an album written by Schon/Cain/Soto with the same Walmart deal
would probably had been more exciting and "fresh", with a bigger
potential for success with younger audiences. Just my opinion.

1. I agree with you on the Walmart Deal being the major reason for any success.
2. Exploitation is a little strong. But, the story is good and should be told and it's fair game for publicity.

I hope the CD is good, so far listening to the clips, believe it or not, I'm a little cool towards it right now. We'll see in a week. That said, I find it a little weird (lack of a better word), that people are blasting the formula and same old, same old. What's wrong with the formula, don't you want to hear another disc full of great songs. It almost sounds like people have a problem with the past music.

As far as the Soto/Cain/Schon thing. Since, when has Soto been this hip dude. I see more kids picking up on songs like DSB than anything Soto. I think, realistically, there was more of a potential to flop with Soto than to succeed with him. At this stage, it is smart to play if safe.

[stevew2]

Thanks, I have to give credit to my daughter she is as weird as I am. I am not drinking now,took some Tramadol for a bruised rib, it didnt do a thing

Maybe Tramadol AND St John's beer would numb the pain?

Im a wino, and and Ill be mixin later this aint getting it

[Carlitto H@kk]

Realistically, the ONLY reason Revelation may take off is:
1. The Walmart Deal and the publicity/promotion that follows.
2. The exploitation of Arnel's "Fairy-tale Come True" story...

Musically, Revelation will be "good" but nothing new or exciting.
Yes, apparently most Journey fans WANT to keep hearing the same
formula used over and over and over again.

But, an album written by Schon/Cain/Soto with the same Walmart deal
would probably had been more exciting and "fresh", with a bigger
potential for success with younger audiences. Just my opinion.

1. I agree with you on the Walmart Deal being the major reason for any success.
2. Exploitation is a little strong. But, the story is good and should be told and it's fair game for publicity.

I hope the CD is good, so far listening to the clips, believe it or not, I'm a little cool towards it right now. We'll see in a week. That said, I find it a little weird (lack of a better word), that people are blasting the formula and same old, same old. What's wrong with the formula, don't you want to hear another disc full of great songs. It almost sounds like people have a problem with the past music.

As far as the Soto/Cain/Schon thing. Since, when has Soto been this hip dude. I see more kids picking up on songs like DSB than anything Soto. I think, realistically, there was more of a potential to flop with Soto than to succeed with him. At this stage, it is smart to play if safe.

2. Ok, "exploitation" was a strong word. How about "milking it"?
Without the "feel good" story, this album gets no press outside of Walmart.
Journey definitely hit a home run with Arnel when it comes to having something
the media is interested in again.

As for my comments about Jeff possibly connecting better with younger audiences, well,
that is based off of all the "negative" comments from the past year Jeff got from
a lot of die hards... A lot of fans complained about Jeff's energy on stage or the way
he dressed. Some long-time fans didn't like that he ran all over the place or wore
jeans and more "rock/metal/alternative" clothing on stage. Some die hards still
want "the tails" and dress shirts and slacks Jeff just "looks" more current,
loke he could easily fit in with most of the younger bands out there.

"Image" goes a long way to selling records and tickets at the box office.
In that respect, Jeff could "connect" better with the younger audience...
Given the same publicity/hype/promotion that Arnel has been granted.

But hey, it's all just meaningless "what ifs".
I'll be picking up Revelation next week too
and I hope it can live up to at least half the hype

[SusieP]

Thanks, I have to give credit to my daughter she is as weird as I am. I am not drinking now,took some Tramadol for a bruised rib, it didnt do a thing

Maybe Tramadol AND St John's beer would numb the pain?

Im a wino, and and Ill be mixin later this aint getting it

wino = alcoholic, are you one of the fans Jonathan Cain was referring to in his interview then?

[Tito]

2. Ok, "exploitation" was a strong word. How about "milking it"?
Without the "feel good" story, this album gets no press outside of Walmart.
Journey definitely hit a home run with Arnel when it comes to having something
the media is interested in again.

As for my comments about Jeff possibly connecting better with younger audiences, well,
that is based off of all the "negative" comments from the past year Jeff got from
a lot of die hards... A lot of fans complained about Jeff's energy on stage or the way
he dressed. Some long-time fans didn't like that he ran all over the place or wore
jeans and more "rock/metal/alternative" clothing on stage. Some die hards still
want "the tails" and dress shirts and slacks Jeff just "looks" more current,
loke he could easily fit in with most of the younger bands out there.

"Image" goes a long way to selling records and tickets at the box office.
In that respect, Jeff could "connect" better with the younger audience...
Given the same publicity/hype/promotion that Arnel has been granted.

But hey, it's all just meaningless "what ifs".
I'll be picking up Revelation next week too
and I hope it can live up to at least half the hype

I'll accept milking it. But, it's smart to do. That is another asset Arnel brings to the table that others couldn't do.

I, personally, did not have a problem with Soto's stage antics or attire on stage with Journey. Now, the way he was dressed at MR Fest is a different story. Anyway, (assuming) even if you are correct about his image, people need to see or hear him first. And JSS couldn't garner that type of promotion that Arnel has. Right or wrong, Arnel's story helps get that promotion. If he didn't have that story or Augeri was still the singer, they wouldn't be getting that press.

[Red13JoePa]

Behshad is the only one that I can think of that stood behind this dude vocally from day 1.

That's actually true.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Behshad is the only one that I can think of that stood behind this dude vocally from day 1.

That's actually true.

Negative.
I can PROUDLY state that I was right there with Behshad
from day 1 and haven't left yet

[The_Noble_Cause]

What's wrong with the formula, don't you want to hear another disc full of great songs. It almost sounds like people have a problem with the past music.

You talk as if the bulk of Journey's "great songs" were composed under Jon Cain's watch.
The only reason any musical diversity exists at all on the Greatest Hits is beacuse Cain's balladry and pop songs are interspersed with contributions from the Rolie-era.

As far as the Soto/Cain/Schon thing. Since, when has Soto been this hip dude. I see more kids picking up on songs like DSB than anything Soto. I think, realistically, there was more of a potential to flop with Soto than to succeed with him. At this stage, it is smart to play if safe.

They've been playing it safe for the past eight years and have gotten nowhere.
When Brian May and other rock royalty tell you you've got something special on your hands, you best not cut it loose.
You're an apologist. Go back to BackTalk.

[Red13JoePa]

Behshad is the only one that I can think of that stood behind this dude vocally from day 1.

That's actually true.

Negative.
I can PROUDLY state that I was right there with Behshad
from day 1 and haven't left yet

Well, looking at it like that I was behind his hiring from day 1, too.
Knowing and liking World Play and the Schon/JSS chemistry I was ready to embrace the lineup BEFORE the Deano-driven hype and aforementioned housecalls that turned him into an Evis-like sensation here in the den of fawning that it became.

I can count NoMoreTails in that number as well as TNC and probably Amaron from my recall in that group who didn't need a PM, housecall or the illusion of "access to Journey's singer" to get us behind the lineup.

Having said that, I was not upset when they had to made the change (nor was I w/ Augeri, who I favored).

Really, and Cain alluded to this in a recent interview, I view the "Core" as Schon/Cain/Valory. I trust that they'll grab a dynamic, Journeyesque singer so I don't get all bunged out about it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And JSS couldn't garner that type of promotion that Arnel has. Right or wrong, Arnel's story helps get that promotion.

Please.
The only reason Journey is being featured on CBS next week and on Ellen is because they are out of the independent wilderness, and have the monetary might of the Walton family now in their court.
In addition, Azoff represents some of the biggest acts in the world.
It is not hard to get them booked.
It has absolutely nothing to do with Arnel.

If he didn't have that story or Augeri was still the singer, they wouldn't be getting that press.

Augeri also got tons of publicity for his rags-to-riches story - nobody cared.
How much of a selling point do u think Perry's past career as a turkey shit scooper was?
This is beyond stupid.

[Tito]

What's wrong with the formula, don't you want to hear another disc full of great songs. It almost sounds like people have a problem with the past music.

You talk as if the bulk of Journey's "great songs" was composed under Jon Cain's watch.
The only reason any diversity exists at all on the Greatest Hits cd is beacuse of contributions from the Rolie era.

As far as the Soto/Cain/Schon thing. Since, when has Soto been this hip dude. I see more kids picking up on songs like DSB than anything Soto. I think, realistically, there was more of a potential to flop with Soto than to succeed with him. At this stage, it is smart to play if safe.

They've been playing it safe for the past eight years and have gotten nowhere.
When Brian May and other rock royalty tell you you've got something special on your hands, you best not cut it loose.
You're an apologist. Go back to BackTalk.

LOL!!! I'm serious too, you made me laugh. Some history:

First, I have never posted on Back Talk and haven't visited that site for at least 4 years and I never really was an avid lurker either.

Actually, I like the pre-Cain stuff as much as the Cain era. Little Girl is probably my favorite song.

They've done well considering the enviroment. If they wanted to make a right or left turn, the mid 80s were the time for that. '98 and after, good or bad, they were stuck. They really only had one hand to play. Let's see what the next several months bring, before we call it a success or flop.

Finally, if Brian May really thinks that, then why didn't he hire Soto to tour with Queen instead of Paul Rodgers. Paul Rodgers was safe pick.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Finally, if Brian May really thinks that, then why didn't he hire Soto to tour with Queen instead of Paul Rodgers. Paul Rodgers was safe pick.

No, according to your thinking, picking a Freddie soundalike would've been the safe pick.
Aside from being a name draw, Rodgers was anything but safe.
Clearly, unlike Journey, they are unafraid to evolve as a band.

[Tito]

True story, I'm not sure if Saint John remembers this. But after the Soul Sirkus show, I said to St. John that Soto will be the singer of Journey some day. That was more than a year before he was brought in.

[Tito]

Finally, if Brian May really thinks that, then why didn't he hire Soto to tour with Queen instead of Paul Rodgers. Paul Rodgers was safe pick.

No, according to your thinking, picking a Freddie soundalike would've been the safe pick.
Aside from being a name draw, Rodgers was anything but safe.
Clearly, unlike Journey, they are unafraid to evolve as a band.

That is where Journey made a mistake in '98. That should've got a name. I think Geoff Tate would've been interesting. Rodgers was safe pick in regards to his name. I don't think they are evolving taking Paul Rodgers either. Why didn't they take Soto?

[Saint John]

When Brian May and other rock royalty tell you you've got something special on your hands, you best not cut it loose.

Yeah, ok. That's why there are scores of bands beating down his door to front them. He's one shake from Jimi Jamison's coattails from being all but unemployed.

[The_Noble_Cause]

So tell me, just what exactly did I say that is "bullshit"?

That I "make shit up."

Sorry, but you do. You have no regard for facts or reality. I see this repeatedly in the political threads and most recently, just the other day, when you refused to acknowledge that Augeri's solo-writing got the ball rolling for "Generations". Despite the fact that it came from the band members' own mouths.

[The_Noble_Cause]

When Brian May and other rock royalty tell you you've got something special on your hands, you best not cut it loose.

Yeah, ok. That's why there are scores of bands beating down his door to front them. He's one shake from Jimi Jamison's coattails from being all but unemployed.

OK.
"Saint John" and "Tito" know better than Brian May and Jack Blades.
Got it.

[treetopovskaya]

tito why the gabs at jss?

[Tito]

And JSS couldn't garner that type of promotion that Arnel has. Right or wrong, Arnel's story helps get that promotion.

Please.
The only reason Journey is being featured on CBS next week and on Ellen is because they are out of the independent wilderness, and have the monetary might of the Walton family now in their court.
In addition, Azoff represents some of the biggest acts in the world.
It is not hard to get them booked.
It has absolutely nothing to do with Arnel.

If he didn't have that story or Augeri was still the singer, they wouldn't be getting that press.

Augeri also got tons of publicity for his rags-to-riches story - nobody cared.
How much of a selling point do u think Perry's past career as a turkey shit scooper was?
This is beyond stupid.

I agree with you. I stated that much, in my answers to Carlitto. Walmart will be driving force behind any success of this. Arnel's story does help. It gives them a storyline, if nothing else.

I don't know about tons of publicity in regards to Augeri. I saw only one time, besides BTM, that was mentioned and that was in passing and by no means was the focal point of the brief story. Plus, that was in regards to Arrival, 3 years after he joined the band. At least now, they are getting it off the ground with Arnel. As far as Perry, that was different time. Most importantly, different music era and media era as well.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't think they are evolving taking Paul Rodgers either.

He doesn't sound like their famous singer and he is collaborating with them on new material. That is evolving.

[Lula]

tito why the gabs at jss?

i was wondering that too, why the hate? he's not in journey and he's not bashing anyone that is.

from what i gather, brian may did not know jeff when paul rodgers was getting involved with queen, someone needs to confirm this tho.

[Tito]

When Brian May and other rock royalty tell you you've got something special on your hands, you best not cut it loose.

Yeah, ok. That's why there are scores of bands beating down his door to front them. He's one shake from Jimi Jamison's coattails from being all but unemployed.

I don't get the Jamison's coattails comment?

[Saint John]

[ I see this repeatedly in the political threads and most recently, just the other day, when you refused to acknowledge that Augeri's solo-writing got the ball rolling for "Generations".

I wasn't even arguing that point. I don't care what got that shit stain of an album started. I was arguing that Steve Augeri has the ability to continue to pursue a musical career only because of the $$$$ he accrued as a member of Journey. If it weren't for Journey he'd be ordering the latest in motion detected urinals for the Gap restrooms.

[Saint John]

When Brian May and other rock royalty tell you you've got something special on your hands, you best not cut it loose.

Yeah, ok. That's why there are scores of bands beating down his door to front them. He's one shake from Jimi Jamison's coattails from being all but unemployed.

I don't get the Jamison's coattails comment?

He's opening for Jamison this summer I believe.