New Cain Interview

[RedWingFan]

[ I see this repeatedly in the political threads and most recently, just the other day, when you refused to acknowledge that Augeri's solo-writing got the ball rolling for "Generations".

I wasn't even arguing that point. I don't care what got that shit stain of an album started. I was arguing that Steve Augeri has the ability to continue to pursue a musical career only because of the $$$$ he accrued as a member of Journey. If it weren't for Journey he'd be ordering the latest in motion detected urinals for the Gap restrooms.

[Carlitto H@kk]

tito why the gabs at jss?

i was wondering that too, why the hate? he's not in journey and he's not bashing anyone that is.

from what i gather, brian may did not know jeff when paul rodgers was getting involved with queen, someone needs to confirm this tho.

Well, I would imagine Brian May knew Jeff for awhile before Rodgers got the gig.
I think May has commented on this question but can't remeber where/when.
But I believe he has answered publically why Jeff was not approached.

As to the first question, I don't care what SJ says...
"Tito" has too much animosity/negativety towards Jeff
and anything OTHER than Arnel for him to be anybody that is
NOT on Journey's payroll

[mistiejourney]

I was here when the Jeff announcement was made.
Long time posters NIG and Monker didn't want JSS at all.
Deano even initally told Jeff that he wasn't the right man for the job.
Like Saint John, you just make shit up.

Bullshit. I believe that Monker still thinks he wasn't right for Journey, and Dean and NIG only became fans when Soto started doing lunches, handing out tickets and backstage passes, drinking with people, and making house calls. Before that no one thought he was shit except Behshad. Behshad is the only one that I can think of that stood behind this dude vocally from day 1.

I wasn't on the MR board then, but I had no idea who JSS was when I saw my Journey concert with him at the helm. I knew OF him, from MR itself, seems he was everywhere! But I turned to my friend and said, "Steve Augeri is not coming back." when the concert was over - somehow I just knew (and it made me sad, but acceptable because I thought he was really sick and unable to sing).

I was on board with JSS from day one, and about five notes into the first song. No backstage passes, no lunches, no tickets and sure as hell no house calls - oh, in my dreams!

Not posting to argue, but just to make the point that JSS really did sweep some of us over with his voice, talent and presence and not because he schmoozed.

[Tito]

When Brian May and other rock royalty tell you you've got something special on your hands, you best not cut it loose.

Yeah, ok. That's why there are scores of bands beating down his door to front them. He's one shake from Jimi Jamison's coattails from being all but unemployed.

OK.
"Saint John" and "Tito" know better than Brian May and Jack Blades.
Got it.

I did not say that. All I said, if May felt that way, why didn't he take Soto as a singer. I would say because of Queen's type of music/fanbase/aura, it probably would've been more accepting of Soto. Didn't Soto do some type of Queen Tribute DVD or something. I know he was doing some type of Queen cover show a couple of weeks ago (radio interview). So, there is some, indirect history as well.

I never heard Jack Blades comments. I know Jack and Neal know each other. So, I'm not sure if Blades said anything to him.

[Tito]

tito why the gabs at jss?

I'm not jabbing at JSS, even though it probably appears like that. I am jabbing at his unrealistic fans.

[jrnyman28]

tito why the gabs at jss?

i was wondering that too, why the hate? he's not in journey and he's not bashing anyone that is.

from what i gather, brian may did not know jeff when paul rodgers was getting involved with queen, someone needs to confirm this tho.

No, Brian and JSS go back several years. I don't know how much they had "worked together" but JSS was well known after that Queen convention gig in what, 2003?

[ProgRocker53]

I was a JSS fan from the first time I heard him sing.

Unfortunately there were no lunches, backstage passes, house parties, or backrubs here either.

[Tito]

I don't think they are evolving taking Paul Rodgers either.

He doesn't sound like their famous singer and he is collaborating with them on new material. That is evolving.

Again, it is a safe pick via his a name. Doesn't sound like Freddie (few do) agreed. Let's see their finished product as well. If Journey had a big name singer, like Rodgers, perhaps they could've went in a different direction. But again, let's see what Queen produces first before judge.

[Tito]

tito why the gabs at jss?

i was wondering that too, why the hate? he's not in journey and he's not bashing anyone that is.

from what i gather, brian may did not know jeff when paul rodgers was getting involved with queen, someone needs to confirm this tho.

It's all your fault!

[Tito]

[ I see this repeatedly in the political threads and most recently, just the other day, when you refused to acknowledge that Augeri's solo-writing got the ball rolling for "Generations".

I wasn't even arguing that point. I don't care what got that shit stain of an album started. I was arguing that Steve Augeri has the ability to continue to pursue a musical career only because of the $$$$ he accrued as a member of Journey. If it weren't for Journey he'd be ordering the latest in motion detected urinals for the Gap restrooms.

That is funny. It's ok to laugh people.

[mistiejourney]

[ I see this repeatedly in the political threads and most recently, just the other day, when you refused to acknowledge that Augeri's solo-writing got the ball rolling for "Generations".

I wasn't even arguing that point. I don't care what got that shit stain of an album started. I was arguing that Steve Augeri has the ability to continue to pursue a musical career only because of the $$$$ he accrued as a member of Journey. If it weren't for Journey he'd be ordering the latest in motion detected urinals for the Gap restrooms.

That is funny. It's ok to laugh people.

Whether I agree or disagree, there is always something to laugh about on this board! That's what makes it fun!

[The_Noble_Cause]

I see this repeatedly in the political threads and most recently, just the other day, when you refused to acknowledge that Augeri's solo-writing got the ball rolling for "Generations".

I wasn't even arguing that point. I don't care what got that shit stain of an album started. I was arguing that Steve Augeri has the ability to continue to pursue a musical career only because of the $$$$ he accrued as a member of Journey. If it weren't for Journey he'd be ordering the latest in motion detected urinals for the Gap restrooms.

Amusing, but totally disingenuous (as usual).
That's not what you were arguing at all.
You were fighting tooth and nail that Augeri's solo-writing did not serve as the catalyst for Generations.
Of course, that's a lie, and pretty much epitomizes what you do on this forum all day.
You are as bad as ProPerry
I think the exchange below speaks for itself.

The inspiration, if the not the majority of the material, for his solo album came from his writing sessions with Journey for Generations. Apparently much of what he wrote didn't make it onto the Journey album.

From what I gather, it was the other way around.
The only reason 'Generations' happened at all is because SA was forging straight ahead with material, while the band was content to rest on their laurels.

From what I gather, it was the other way around.
The only reason 'Generations' happened at all is because SA was forging straight ahead with material, while the band was content to rest on their laurels.

Total bullshit. Neal and Jon weren't interested in creating something new when they had what was now, and arguably all along, a half-ass voice to sing it!!! They were frustrated, but bound by their loyalty, and held on to a guy they should have dumped years prior, kinda like Perry. They should have dumped that ego soaked douche rag around 1987. Instead, they let him pack his huge beak on ice and go on an indefinite sabbatical while they sat around for a decade.

[Lula]

tito why the gabs at jss?

i was wondering that too, why the hate? he's not in journey and he's not bashing anyone that is.

from what i gather, brian may did not know jeff when paul rodgers was getting involved with queen, someone needs to confirm this tho.

It's all your fault!

when in doubt, blame lula

i guess i am off on my timeline with jeff and queen. what do i know anyway?

[Tito]

tito why the gabs at jss?

i was wondering that too, why the hate? he's not in journey and he's not bashing anyone that is.

from what i gather, brian may did not know jeff when paul rodgers was getting involved with queen, someone needs to confirm this tho.

Well, I would imagine Brian May knew Jeff for awhile before Rodgers got the gig.
I think May has commented on this question but can't remeber where/when.
But I believe he has answered publically why Jeff was not approached.

As to the first question, I don't care what SJ says...
"Tito" has too much animosity/negativety towards Jeff
and anything OTHER than Arnel for him to be anybody that is
NOT on Journey's payroll

You've got me confused with others. I'm not on anybody's payroll. But, if anybody would like to add me to their payroll...

[stevew2]

[ I see this repeatedly in the political threads and most recently, just the other day, when you refused to acknowledge that Augeri's solo-writing got the ball rolling for "Generations".

I wasn't even arguing that point. I don't care what got that shit stain of an album started. I was arguing that Steve Augeri has the ability to continue to pursue a musical career only because of the $$$$ he accrued as a member of Journey. If it weren't for Journey he'd be ordering the latest in motion detected urinals for the Gap restrooms.

If it wasnt for Steve A Journey would nt have had a singer to push around and use for 8 years, and we would wouldnt be here bashing him would we?

[The_Noble_Cause]

If it wasnt for Steve A Journey would nt have had a singer to push around and use for 8 years

I'm sorry that you buy into the mythology of Steve A. singlehandedly saving Journey, but the truth is that like Arnel, he was just a hired hand.
If it wasn't him, it would've been someone else singing the classics.

[NealIsGod]

If it wasnt for Steve A Journey would nt have had a singer to push around and use for 8 years

I'm sorry that you buy into the mythology of Steve A. singlehandedly saving Journey, but the truth is that like Arnel, he was just a hired hand.
If it wasn't him, it would've been someone else singing the classics.

I thought Augeri was an equal partner?

[mistiejourney]

If it wasnt for Steve A Journey would nt have had a singer to push around and use for 8 years

I'm sorry that you buy into the mythology of Steve A. singlehandedly saving Journey, but the truth is that like Arnel, he was just a hired hand.
If it wasn't him, it would've been someone else singing the classics.

In retrospect, it seems that way (Steve a hired hand). But it didn't feel that way at the beginning. I figured he'd be with Journey forever, and after a period of saying I'd never see Journey again, I came to love his voice - very soulful.

It would be great if his Journey tenure gave him the $$$$ and the exposure to continue in music, and it sounds like it has!

[Tito]

I wasn't on the MR board then, but I had no idea who JSS was when I saw my Journey concert with him at the helm. I knew OF him, from MR itself, seems he was everywhere!

I would like to add to this, since I basically in the same boat at one time. This goes more to the people who claim Neal and Company backstabbed, etc. Please remember this,

If it wasn't for Andrew J. McNeice and Melodic Rock, I would never have known the name, Jeff Scott Soto.
If it wasn't for Neal Schon (Soul Sirkus), I would've never heard or seen Jeff Scott Soto.
If it wasn't for Neal Schon (Journey), hundreds of thousands would've never heard or seen Jeff Scott Soto.

All I ask is you keep that in perspective, before you bring up any alleged backstabbing. Not that I want to get this 8 page thread going in another direction.

[stevew2]

If it wasnt for Steve A Journey would nt have had a singer to push around and use for 8 years

I'm sorry that you buy into the mythology of Steve A. singlehandedly saving Journey, but the truth is that like Arnel, he was just a hired hand.
If it wasn't him, it would've been someone else singing the classics.

But it wasnt,just him giving the credit for what he did, and the ass fucking he received the last couple years Im sure it didnt feel to good

[mistiejourney]

I wasn't on the MR board then, but I had no idea who JSS was when I saw my Journey concert with him at the helm. I knew OF him, from MR itself, seems he was everywhere!

I would like to add to this, since I basically in the same boat at one time. This goes more to the people who claim Neal and Company backstabbed, etc. Please remember this,

If it wasn't for Andrew J. McNeice and Melodic Rock, I would never have known the name, Jeff Scott Soto.
If it wasn't for Neal Schon (Soul Sirkus), I would've never heard or seen Jeff Scott Soto.
If it wasn't for Neal Schon (Journey), hundreds of thousands would've never heard or seen Jeff Scott Soto.

All I ask is you keep that in perspective, before you bring up any alleged backstabbing. Not that I want to get this 8 page thread going in another direction.

You are right! In fact, when I heard that they had brought JSS on board, I thought, "Oh - they're going with a known singer this time!". He was a "famous" singer in my eyes as I knew he had sung with bands before....

[The_Noble_Cause]

I thought Augeri was an equal partner?

According to one of the band's family members who posted on BT (Deen's sister or something?) that is correct.
I think Drew verified that as well.
Hell, Arnel might be an equal partner for all I know.
However, is that to say that the band doesn't have Hunsicker's phone # on speed dial just in case?

Jon, Neal, and the Azoff mafia call the shots - no matter what percentage of the pie the latest Perry clone is recieving.

[Tito]

I wasn't on the MR board then, but I had no idea who JSS was when I saw my Journey concert with him at the helm. I knew OF him, from MR itself, seems he was everywhere!

I would like to add to this, since I basically in the same boat at one time. This goes more to the people who claim Neal and Company backstabbed, etc. Please remember this,

If it wasn't for Andrew J. McNeice and Melodic Rock, I would never have known the name, Jeff Scott Soto.
If it wasn't for Neal Schon (Soul Sirkus), I would've never heard or seen Jeff Scott Soto.
If it wasn't for Neal Schon (Journey), hundreds of thousands would've never heard or seen Jeff Scott Soto.

All I ask is you keep that in perspective, before you bring up any alleged backstabbing. Not that I want to get this 8 page thread going in another direction.

You are right! In fact, when I heard that they had brought JSS on board, I thought, "Oh - they're going with a known singer this time!". He was a "famous" singer in my eyes as I knew he had sung with bands before....

Famous is a little bit of a stretch, but I get your point. If it wasn't for the website and SS, I would've been like who? And this doesn't sound like.. Grant it, if it wasn't for SS, JSS probably would've never been in Journey. And from what I've read, if it wasn't for MR there wouldn't have been SS. See, Andrew this is all your fault. You brought this all on yourself.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If it wasn't for Andrew J. McNeice and Melodic Rock, I would never have known the name, Jeff Scott Soto.
If it wasn't for Neal Schon (Soul Sirkus), I would've never heard or seen Jeff Scott Soto.
If it wasn't for Neal Schon (Journey), hundreds of thousands would've never heard or seen Jeff Scott Soto.

All I ask is you keep that in perspective, before you bring up any alleged backstabbing. Not that I want to get this 8 page thread going in another direction.

Isn't possible that the guy who gave Jeff his widest exposure also fucked him in the ass (twice)?
What a nomota lackey you are.

[Saint John]

If it wasnt for Steve A Journey would nt have had a singer to push around and use for 8 years, and we would wouldnt be here bashing him would we?

I doubt he minds being "pushed around and used for 8 years" when he looks at his bank account. The guy easily made 5+ million dollars during his tenure. I don't see him running back to The Gap to reclaim his old job so I'm quite sure that his 8 years have allowed him to retire comfortably. Tall Stories sure isn't gonna pay the fucking bills. Granted, he'll have a few rows of female fans whose favorite phrase is "Super Size that please", but concert concessions don't factor into how much the act gets paid. If that were the case, Tall Stories would surpass the Stones.

[NealIsGod]

However, is that to say that the band doesn't have Hunsicker's phone # on speed dial just in case?

They'd be stupid not to. But then again, Jeremey sounds "too much like Perry" for the legacy sound they are trying to recapture.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If it wasnt for Steve A Journey would nt have had a singer to push around and use for 8 years, and we would wouldnt be here bashing him would we?

I doubt he minds being "pushed around and used for 8 years" when he looks at his bank account. The guy easily made 5+ million dollars during his tenure. I don't see him running back to The Gap to reclaim his old job so I'm quite sure that his 8 years have allowed him to retire comfortably. Tall Stories sure isn't gonna pay the fucking bills. Granted, he'll have a few rows of female fans whose favorite phrase is "Super Size that please", but concert concessions don't factor into how much the act gets paid. If that were the case, Tall Stories would surpass the Stones.

What does that have to do with anything?
Why do you and Tito consistently throw up dollar signs as a roadblock to any conversation that so much as teeters on criticism?

[mistiejourney]

If it wasnt for Steve A Journey would nt have had a singer to push around and use for 8 years, and we would wouldnt be here bashing him would we?

I doubt he minds being "pushed around and used for 8 years" when he looks at his bank account. The guy easily made 5+ million dollars during his tenure. I don't see him running back to The Gap to reclaim his old job so I'm quite sure that his 8 years have allowed him to retire comfortably. Tall Stories sure isn't gonna pay the fucking bills. Granted, he'll have a few rows of female fans whose favorite phrase is "Super Size that please", but concert concessions don't factor into how much the act gets paid. If that were the case, Tall Stories would surpass the Stones.

What's with the weight cracks?

I'd say you were ugly, but I've seen your photo and you most certainly aren't!

[Tito]

I thought Augeri was an equal partner?

According to one of the band's family members who posted on BT (Deen's sister or something?) that is correct.
I think Drew verified that as well.
Hell, Arnel might be an equal partner for all I know.
However, is that to say that the band doesn't have Hunsicker's phone # on speed dial just in case?

Jon, Neal, and the Azoff mafia call the shots - no matter what percentage of the pie the latest Perry clone is recieving.

That was their second mistake. IMO, they should not have made Augeri an equal partner. If memory recalls, wasn't that a hold up too. Weren't they going to announce JSS as the new singer, but legal holdups (which I believe had to do with Augeri's departure) delayed that. I know it held up Andrew's interview for months.

As far as Hunsicker's phone # on speed dial, I wouldn't doubt it one second. I remember what Jerry Krause, the former Chicago Bull GM said once, everyone has an "Oh Shit!" list. If something unexpected happens and you need a quick replacement you go to that list.

[Tito]

If it wasn't for Andrew J. McNeice and Melodic Rock, I would never have known the name, Jeff Scott Soto.
If it wasn't for Neal Schon (Soul Sirkus), I would've never heard or seen Jeff Scott Soto.
If it wasn't for Neal Schon (Journey), hundreds of thousands would've never heard or seen Jeff Scott Soto.

All I ask is you keep that in perspective, before you bring up any alleged backstabbing. Not that I want to get this 8 page thread going in another direction.

Isn't possible that the guy who gave Jeff his widest exposure also fucked him in the ass (twice)?
What a nomota lackey you are.

Now it's twice. I thought it only happened once, alleged. Hey, fame comes with a price.