I am glad I never listened to Journey with Augeri now.

[ProgRocker53]

what the fuck was with the stupid shit at the end of "Wheel In The Sky"????

My CDs haven't come in yet. What happened? What did they do with the re-recording of that one?

I was hoping they'd do a studio version of the live jam session they do to that song, with the kicked-up riff and all.

That's pretty much what they did.

HELL MOTHERSUCKIN YEAH BABAYYYYY

I thought that might make you happy!

I'm looking forward to that ALMOST as much as the new material.

....Almost.

....Does Cain add some Roliesque vocals to Lights and WITS?

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm on record as saying that "Generations" was a complete abortion of a CD! It sucked ass! In fact, it couldn't have sucked more if they tried!

There's plenty to find fault with, but you undermine your own argument by taking it to such hyperbolic extremes.
"The Place in Your Heart," "A Better Life," "Never Too Late," "Out of Harms Way" - all of these hold up against anything the band has done in any incarnation.
If Depature came out tommorow, fans like you would say keep AWYWI and flush the rest.

[Saint John]

"The Place in Your Heart," "A Better Life," "Never Too Late," "Out of Harms Way" - all of these hold up against anything the band has done in any incarnation.

The fuck they do. Not even close vocally.

If Depature came out tommorow, fans like you would say keep AWYWI and flush the rest.

I can' think of one song I like on that album. Flush that motherfucker.

[ProgRocker53]

"The Place in Your Heart," "A Better Life," "Never Too Late," "Out of Harms Way" - all of these hold up against anything the band has done in any incarnation.

The fuck they do. Not even close vocally.

If Depature came out tommorow, fans like you would say keep AWYWI and flush the rest.

I can' think of one song I like on that album. Flush that motherfucker.

Augeri may not possess the range of classic Perry, but he sings alot of the songs on Gens with a very realistic conviction. He can't PROPEL the songs the way a Perry could, but the emoting is still there. And c'mon dude, Deen's vocals are astronomical. Also, the songs TNC lasted stand up very well instrumentally even if they don't vocally... which is a moot point, because I feel the vocals are amazing.

Departure... you don't even like Line of Fire, Where Were You, Precious Time, People and Places? Dang mang.

[Arkansas]

At first I didn't like this version of FITH, but since I've listened to it loudly and in different system setups (prologic, hall, arena, etc), this is really growing on me. I'm kinda wishing I'd never heard the Generations version because I like them equally well.


later~

[The_Noble_Cause]

The fuck they do. Not even close vocally.

The gauze of nostalgia has clouded your mind. There is nothing substandard about Augeri or Deen's studio vox.

[Saint John]

There is nothing substandard about Augeri or Deen's studio vox.

I wasn't arguing that there was. Perry's vocals are just without compare.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I wasn't arguing that there was. Perry's vocals are just without compare.

Perry's voice is not the sine qua non of what makes a Journey song, tho it def. ranks up there.
Going by what you said, Journey can never produce anything remotely close to their past in terms of quality.
With such an attitude every new song becomes a loser by default.

[Enigma869]

If Depature came out tommorow, fans like you would say keep AWYWI and flush the rest.

Actually, AWYWI sucks ass too! I've always hated that dreadful song!


John from Boston

[RedWingFan]

I can' think of one song I like on that album. Flush that motherfucker.

The only thing that's been flushed is your last bit of credibility.
"Precious Time" is probably their best tune they've ever done.
Original and much better than the retreads that litter this new cd.

[Enigma869]

There is nothing substandard about Augeri or Deen's studio vox.

Perhaps not, but a lot of singers sound quite polished in the studio. I never disliked Augeri's voice. I just thought the guy was out of his league singing Journey's back catalog. I still think "Arrival" is exceptional. At this point, it's ahead of "Revelation" from what I've listened to!


John from Boston

[The_Noble_Cause]

Perhaps not, but a lot of singers sound quite polished in the studio.

I'm sorry, but you were discussing Generations, the studio album, correct?
Nobody was debating the relative merits of Augeri's live singing.

I never disliked Augeri's voice. I just thought the guy was out of his league singing Journey's back catalog.

I've said that for years. That has zilch to do with how supposedly Generations "..sucked ass! In fact, it couldn't have sucked more if they tried!"

[Saint John]

I wasn't arguing that there was. Perry's vocals are just without compare.

Perry's voice is not the sine qua non of what makes a Journey song, tho it def. ranks up there.
Going by what you said, Journey can never produce anything remotely close to their past in terms of quality.
With such an attitude every new song becomes a loser by default.

Completely incorrect/misunderstood. I meant Perry's vocals in relation to Augeri's. Like comparing a Corvette to a fucking Chevette.

[Rick]

I wasn't arguing that there was. Perry's vocals are just without compare.

Perry's voice is not the sine qua non of what makes a Journey song, tho it def. ranks up there.
Going by what you said, Journey can never produce anything remotely close to their past in terms of quality.
With such an attitude every new song becomes a loser by default.

Completely incorrect/misunderstood. I meant Perry's vocals in relation to Augeri's. Like comparing a Corvette to a fucking Chevette.

[Sarah]

"A Better Life," ... hold up against anything the band has done in any incarnation.

YES

Fucking love that song.

[Andrew]

The fuck they do. Not even close vocally.

The gauze of nostalgia has clouded your mind. There is nothing substandard about Augeri or Deen's studio vox.

I'm with you NC.

[Enigma869]

Nobody was debating the relative merits of Augeri's live singing.

I realize that, which is why I made the point that sounding great in the studio (the point you made) isn't good enough, when Journey makes their living playing songs that were recorded for Perry's soaring vocals!

I've said that for years. That has zilch to do with how supposedly Generations "..sucked ass! In fact, it couldn't have sucked more if they tried!"

Listen...if you think "Generations" is this masterpiece, then more power to you, NC! The bottom line for me is that ANY recording with the Journey name on it that has Valory, Schon, and Cain singing lead vocals doesn't deserve to be put out as a for profit piece of music! Neither of those guys can sing lead to save their lives, and it made my ears bleed to listen to the trainwreck that it was


John from Boston

[Sarah]

The bottom line for me is that ANY recording with the Journey name on it that has Valory, Schon, and Cain singing lead vocals doesn't deserve to be put out as a for profit piece of music!

Oh hay guys it's me, People and Places! What's going on in this thread?

[Liz22562]

I will listen to ANYTHING Steve Augeri sings - with our without Journey. Besides that I have a pic of him with one of this message boards long-timer's.....lol

[marco17]

[quote=" I meant Perry's vocals in relation to Augeri's. Like comparing a Corvette to a fucking Chevette.

Oh come on SJ, at least give Augeri some credit. At least make him the poor man's Corvette and call him a fucking Camaro

[Ehwmatt]

Nobody was debating the relative merits of Augeri's live singing.

I realize that, which is why I made the point that sounding great in the studio (the point you made) isn't good enough, when Journey makes their living playing songs that were recorded for Perry's soaring vocals!

I've said that for years. That has zilch to do with how supposedly Generations "..sucked ass! In fact, it couldn't have sucked more if they tried!"

Listen...if you think "Generations" is this masterpiece, then more power to you, NC! The bottom line for me is that ANY recording with the Journey name on it that has Valory, Schon, and Cain singing lead vocals doesn't deserve to be put out as a for profit piece of music! Neither of those guys can sing lead to save their lives, and it made my ears bleed to listen to the trainwreck that it was


John from Boston

Not quite fair to Neal... his voice is quite good actually. Something about his voice really draws me in. People and Places is a great performance and I really like all the Hammer/Schon stuff and so on. Cain's no Rolie and he and Ross should both stick to the harmonies tho.

[Enigma869]

Not quite fair to Neal

Fuck Neal! The guy is a master technician on the guitar, and that's where he belongs! Journey's "legacy sound", that he and Cain are so fond of talking about these days, was built on the soaring vocals of Steve Perry, not Neal's less than professional singing voice! If Neal truly had any respect for the "legacy" of Journey, he wouldn't sing lead on ANY track with the name Journey attached to it!

his voice is quite good actually.

Compared to who??? If you like the guy's voice, then enjoy it! I think his lead vocals are awful, and he should be ashamed of himself for even daring to sing lead on anything with the name Journey attached to it! It's flat out embarrassing!

Something about his voice really draws me in.

I want some of whatever you're smoking


John from Boston

[Ehwmatt]

Not quite fair to Neal

Fuck Neal! The guy is a master technician on the guitar, and that's where he belongs! Journey's "legacy sound", that he and Cain are so fond of talking about these days, was built on the soaring vocals of Steve Perry, not Neal's less than professional singing voice! If Neal truly had any respect for the "legacy" of Journey, he wouldn't sing lead on ANY track with the name Journey attached to it!

his voice is quite good actually.

Compared to who??? If you like the guy's voice, then enjoy it! I think his lead vocals are awful, and he should be ashamed of himself for even daring to sing lead on anything with the name Journey attached to it! It's flat out embarrassing!

Something about his voice really draws me in.

I want some of whatever you're smoking


John from Boston

Hah, ouch. You really think he sounds awful on his side projects and on stuff like People and Places? I can understand ur qualms about him being the lead vocalist on a Journey album track but I don't think he is an awful singer at all... there are far worse singers out there singing lead AND playing much shittier guitar. You really think he's terrible in general?

[conversationpc]

My thoughts on the FITH re-recording...

• The urgency of the original version is severely lacking in the new one.
• The additional piano in the last section of the song "pussifies" the new version too much.
• Arnel's vocals, though not technically poor, lack passion. He sounds like he is reciting the lyrics off a sheet. His accent bothers me more on this one that any of the others.
• Ross's playing on the original is better to my ears.
• The background vox towards the end sound terrible. Not off-key but they just don't sound good.
• That "siren"-like guitar sound that Neal sometimes overdoes is more evident in the ending section.

The only improvements, in my opinion, are Deen's drumming and the production.

[Journey/Survivor]

Not quite fair to Neal

Fuck Neal! The guy is a master technician on the guitar, and that's where he belongs! Journey's "legacy sound", that he and Cain are so fond of talking about these days, was built on the soaring vocals of Steve Perry, not Neal's less than professional singing voice! If Neal truly had any respect for the "legacy" of Journey, he wouldn't sing lead on ANY track with the name Journey attached to it!

his voice is quite good actually.

Compared to who??? If you like the guy's voice, then enjoy it! I think his lead vocals are awful, and he should be ashamed of himself for even daring to sing lead on anything with the name Journey attached to it! It's flat out embarrassing!

Something about his voice really draws me in.

I want some of whatever you're smoking


John from Boston

Hah, ouch. You really think he sounds awful on his side projects and on stuff like People and Places? I can understand ur qualms about him being the lead vocalist on a Journey album track but I don't think he is an awful singer at all... there are far worse singers out there singing lead AND playing much shittier guitar. You really think he's terrible in general?

He's gonna think that I'm just saying this because of our past arguments, but I'm not, I really do mean this....Enigma869 has never struck me as being a Journey fan, he strikes me as just being a Steve Perry fan.

As far as Neal's lead vocals....is he in Steve Perry's league as a singer? Hell no! But is he a decent singer? Yes, he is.


Something very predictable is going to be said now.

[Journey/Survivor]

My thoughts on the FITH re-recording...

• The urgency of the original version is severely lacking in the new one.
• The additional piano in the last section of the song "pussifies" the new version too much.
• Arnel's vocals, though not technically poor, lack passion. He sounds like he is reciting the lyrics off a sheet. His accent bothers me more on this one that any of the others.
• Ross's playing on the original is better to my ears.
• The background vox towards the end sound terrible. Not off-key but they just don't sound good.
• That "siren"-like guitar sound that Neal sometimes overdoes is more evident in the ending section.

The only improvements, in my opinion, are Deen's drumming and the production.

I prefer the production of the original version better. I think that the production of Generations is unfairly criticized. I don't consider it to be nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

[hoagiepete]

I like the original better. It's not because of the vocals, even though Arnel seems to drag a few words out a little too long. He sound great otherwise.

The song sounds a little chopped up. Seemed like they struggled to shorten it or something. Didn't compare run time so I could be wrong. It would probably have been fine if not compared to the original.

[Enigma869]

You really think he's terrible in general?

Um, no! As I've already said, Schon is a BRILLIANT guitarist and his guitar licks are as much a part of Journey's sound as Perry's vocals are! I simply don't think the guy has ANY right, AT ALL, singing lead on ANYTHING with the name Journey on it! I could give a rat's ass if he started the band or not! Journey became Journey because of Perry's voice and Schon's guitar, not the other way around! I also would have never suggested that Perry should have played lead guitar on any Journey tracks. It makes a mockery of what is supposed to be a great band!

John from Boston

[Rick]

You really think he's terrible in general?

Um, no! As I've already said, Schon is a BRILLIANT guitarist and his guitar licks are as much a part of Journey's sound as Perry's vocals are! I simply don't think the guy has ANY right, AT ALL, singing lead on ANYTHING with the name Journey on it! I could give a rat's ass if he started the band or not! Journey became Journey because of Perry's voice and Schon's guitar, not the other way around! I also would have never suggested that Perry should have played lead guitar on any Journey tracks. It makes a mockery of what is supposed to be a great band!

John from Boston

His voice worked well on People and Places.

[Rip Rokken]

I think both versions are pretty atrocious. Boring as hell.

LOL! You hated it in Vegas, too! I remember being surprised, because I was excited, and asked you about it -- you shook your head disgustedly and said, "H-o-o-o-rible!"

F.I.T.H. kicks A! I definitely, definitely prefer the Augeri version. For the most part, both songs are close enough for a good ways thru (except for Arnel's intro), but it's toward the end that it loses me. First, Neal repeatedly does this whammy rise to preface some licks, and it kinda sounds like, "W-o-o-o-o-o-p !!!" I hate it! Sounds like something Steve Vai would do. 2nd, all that killer controlled feedback he lays down in the last transition of the original is practically gone here, and overlayed with new keys from Jon. Even Deen's killer drumming is changed up, and loses effect. I don't know why, but that section of the original reminds me of flying into some deep void or something.... really fantastic. The new version just killed it and sucked all the power out of it.

The one redeeming thing is that I can understand the vocals at the end, whereas it was hard to make out the italicized parts on the Augeri version ("Got faith, got dreams... believe.... We're keepin' the faith alive.")