Should Hillary be given the VP role on Democratic ticket ?

[The_Noble_Cause]

That would be the reason to do it. Not advocating it, just that it would passify her base.

Good point.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Didn't Mrs. Obama already veto the idea of Hill being the VP?

Yes, but I doubt she overrides the will of the party elders.

[X factor]

Expect Bayh from Indiana.

Clintonite lackey - won't happen.

That would be the reason to do it. Not advocating it, just that it would passify her base.

Yep- that's why so many people are throwing around Ed Rendell's name too.

[jrnychick]

If she does she has zero pride...none. Why be a VP on a ticket that you got dissed out of because black people turned on you and voted for Obama solely because of his skin color? Her and that fat-assed old man catered to blacks for years, giving them everything they wanted. Nice payback...voting against her based on skin color.

I love how you know what everybody's motivations are.

This one is academic. You have a white lady whose husband was referred to as the "first black president" because of all he/they did for blacks. You have a black candidate that surrounded himself with successful white crooks (Tony Rezko and his posse) and a nutjob pastor. When the less qualified candidate to get the black vote receives over 90% of said vote, there's a motive...in this case it's skin color, plain and simple. You agree or disagree?

I don't agree with sweeping generalizations. Sure, many blacks voted for Obama because he is black and they identify with him. Many women voted for Hillary for the same reason. I like to think most people look at more than just skin color or sex when they vote.

I absolutely wish people would do that. As a white woman, I am offended by the women who say "all women's" voices are not heard because Hillary is not the presumptive candidate. Her gender and skin color have nothing to do with her ability to serve effectively as president. I don't feel that she would be better able to represent women simply because she is one. I can't stand her because she's a lying carpet bagger who wants to tax the hell out of individuals like me and small companies like mine.

[Barb]

Didn't Mrs. Obama already veto the idea of Hill being the VP?

Yes, but I doubt she overrides the will of the party elders.

But will Barack want to risk pissing that woman off?

[Playitloudforme]

With half of the democratic votes going to her, Obama would be a pure idiot not to have her on the ticket. The backlash he'd get from that half could and would kill his ability to win the presidency.

and if McCain wins, I'm moving to Europe. Dead serious. I will not be in this country with another warmonger as president.

[Pelata]

and if McCain wins, I'm moving to Europe. Dead serious. I will not be in this country with another warmonger as president.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02 ... to-canada/

[classicstyxfan]

she's so thirsty for an opportunity to be president, that if I'm Obama, I'm not sure I'd want her to be "a heartbeat away from the prsidency"

[Playitloudforme]

and if McCain wins, I'm moving to Europe. Dead serious. I will not be in this country with another warmonger as president.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02 ... to-canada/

NAH... I'm from So Cal... it would have to be Monaco or Nice for me. Maybe Greece...

[Tito]

I think the negatives outweigh the positives for taking Hillary on as V.P. The uniting the party thing is overrated, they will mostly be united come November anyway. I'm not sure how much she'll help him anyway, he will win New York, plus Clinton may actually unite the Republican party which has a problem right now.

As far as other names and backing Clinton, I think that is irrelevant. First, that may help mend any broken fences by taking a Clinton surrogate. Second, no one really needs the Clintons now, so they'll move on to the next thing.

Quick analysis by Tito of some names:

Evan Bayh, no doubt in my mind he was going to be Hillary's V.P. choice. He may be a good choice for Obama for mending fences and also may put Indiana in play or possibly steal. Obama is from the neighboring state and will do well in NW Indiana. Bayh is popular in his home state and may be able to push Obama over the top there.

Ed Rendell, another Hillary supporter. This would play the unified party card and put Pennsylvania out of reach. Something Obama needs.

Bill Richardson, could help with hispanics and help win some southwest states or put them out of reach as well (Obama favored in Colorado and New Mexico).

John Edwards is a bust. He didn't do anything for Kerry, won't help Obama.

Jim Webb does bring military experience, which would help Obama. But, only two years in the senate could hurt. Probably one of the Virginia governors would be better pick from that state. Along with Bayh or Rendell, would get a white male on the ticket.

Ted Strickland, I believe is only a first term governor, so lack of experience hurts.

Janet Napolitino (sp.) or Kathleen somethinglis (Kansas). Could appease the woman vote, but it could backfire as pandering. Also, not totally sure if that needs to be done anyway. All things being equal, Napolitino would be the better choice, but being from Arizona will hurt her. McCain should win that state, so she is basically useless. Kansas governor, may make it interesting along with Obama's Kansas roots. McCain should probably still win there though. Not much experience and a total unknown. Probably wouldn't help anywhere else.

Best bets for Obama:
Rendell
Bayh
followed by:
Warner or other Virginia governor
Webb


Also, can we now finally say Bill Clinton and the Clintons for that matter are overrated. If Bill was that good, how come he couldn't get his V.P. elected in 2000? Forget Florida controversy too, it shouldn't have been that close if he was that good. Now his wife can't win the nomination. Although very close, she was rejected by her own party. Ran a horrible campaign too. Remember, Bill never won the majority of voters (49.3% in 1996 was the highest) and only fairly recently had approval ratings in the low to mid 50s. I don't think he's a popular as some would like to believe.

[Onestepper]

I think the negatives outweigh the positives for taking Hillary on as V.P. The uniting the party thing is overrated, they will mostly be united come November anyway. I'm not sure how much she'll help him anyway, he will win New York, plus Clinton may actually unite the Republican party which has a problem right now.

As far as other names and backing Clinton, I think that is irrelevant. First, that may help mend any broken fences by taking a Clinton surrogate. Second, no one really needs the Clintons now, so they'll move on to the next thing.

Quick analysis by Tito of some names:

Evan Bayh, no doubt in my mind he was going to be Hillary's V.P. choice. He may be a good choice for Obama for mending fences and also may put Indiana in play or possibly steal. Obama is from the neighboring state and will do well in NW Indiana. Bayh is popular in his home state and may be able to push Obama over the top there.

Ed Rendell, another Hillary supporter. This would play the unified party card and put Pennsylvania out of reach. Something Obama needs.

Bill Richardson, could help with hispanics and help win some southwest states or put them out of reach as well (Obama favored in Colorado and New Mexico).

John Edwards is a bust. He didn't do anything for Kerry, won't help Obama.

Jim Webb does bring military experience, which would help Obama. But, only two years in the senate could hurt. Probably one of the Virginia governors would be better pick from that state. Along with Bayh or Rendell, would get a white male on the ticket.

Ted Strickland, I believe is only a first term governor, so lack of experience hurts.

Janet Napolitino (sp.) or Kathleen somethinglis (Kansas). Could appease the woman vote, but it could backfire as pandering. Also, not totally sure if that needs to be done anyway. All things being equal, Napolitino would be the better choice, but being from Arizona will hurt her. McCain should win that state, so she is basically useless. Kansas governor, may make it interesting along with Obama's Kansas roots. McCain should probably still win there though. Not much experience and a total unknown. Probably wouldn't help anywhere else.

Best bets for Obama:
Rendell
Bayh
followed by:
Warner or other Virginia governor
Webb


Also, can we now finally say Bill Clinton and the Clintons for that matter are overrated. If Bill was that good, how come he couldn't get his V.P. elected in 2000? Forget Florida controversy too, it shouldn't have been that close if he was that good. Now his wife can't win the nomination. Although very close, she was rejected by her own party. Ran a horrible campaign too. Remember, Bill never won the majority of voters (49.3% in 1996 was the highest) and only fairly recently had approval ratings in the low to mid 50s. I don't think he's a popular as some would like to believe.

Good analysis. Forgot in my earlier post to include Tom Daschle. Got on the Obama express early, and has good relations in Congress as former Senate Majority Leader. This wouldn't be a pick for delegates, but more for the experience factor.

[Rip Rokken]

I just got to visit with my political consultant friend today, and we talked extensively about it. He's traditionally Democrat, but no apologist for any party, and one of the straightest shooters I've ever met. Last I spoke with him, he said Hillary was committing political suicide with the way she was campaigning. That was about a month ago, and today, he said she is HISTORY politically... that she's really looking unbalanced by this point, and that many of her own staff are just about done with her stubbornness.

He mentioned something about a very recent event a bunch of her supporters attended -- I forget the details, but due to Secret Service rules, they all have to wait inside the venue for 2 hours after entering without any form of communication -- phones, pagers, etc -- and this was during some time when the news was saying she was pretty much out, and that Obama would be the nominee. Apparently they chose this because it imposed a news blackout on those in attendance, and when Terry MacAuliffe came to the stage, he introduced her as "The next President of the United States". My friend said it was highly manipulative... anyway, that she's just cuckoo at this point.

I also mentioned that I'd read an article about Bill Clinton kinda going off the deep end lately, and he confirmed it. Said that something strange has been happening with him once she started to really lose ground, and he thinks it's because Bill feels an obligation to help her into the White House for all the crap she's had to put up with from him over the years. I guess this is the culmination for her of their political partnership, and he feels responsible for not getting her into the White House.

I asked if he thought Hillary would be chosen as V.P. and he said no way -- that Obama CAN'T choose her, because it would make it appear that he was not the one in control. Very interesting conversation, and right after we got thru talking, he was on the phone with one of our U.S. senators... LOL! I look forward to seeing what happens.

[Gibby]

With half of the democratic votes going to her, Obama would be a pure idiot not to have her on the ticket. The backlash he'd get from that half could and would kill his ability to win the presidency.

and if McCain wins, I'm moving to Europe. Dead serious. I will not be in this country with another warmonger as president.

Then begin packing your bags. Obama will not win no matter who he chooses as his running mate. The Democratic party is so fucked up right now - any honest Democrat will tell you that (me being one of them). Party leadership is terrible. There was a perfect opportunity to take the white house and the best that could be found was Clinton or Obama? This will go down as one of the biggest political fuck ups in history. The Bush administration served up a gigantic softball to the Democrats and they swung and missed. Unbelievable.

Prepare for President McCain and let us know what country in Europe you will call home.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Then begin packing your bags. Obama will not win no matter who he chooses as his running mate. The Democratic party is so fucked up right now - any honest Democrat will tell you that (me being one of them).

Actually, I consider myself an honest Democrat and I think things are looking pretty good for the party. Howard Dean's 50 state strategy, initially scoffed at by Washington cocktail circuit fixtures like Carville and Clinton, is actually paying dividends. Denny Hastert recently lost his seat to a Dem and Dems are winning in districts that routinely go Repub.

Party leadership is terrible. There was a perfect opportunity to take the white house and the best that could be found was Clinton or Obama? This will go down as one of the biggest political fuck ups in history. The Bush administration served up a gigantic softball to the Democrats and they swung and missed. Unbelievable.

Not sure how the party leadership let you down in the presidential primaries.
Any resulting failure stems from the voters, who became starry-eyed over celebrity candidates, instead of taking a closer look at accomplished public servants like Dodd or Biden.
In any event, Obama has shown surprising crossover appeal with Repubs. I'm not worried.

[4ever4Steve]

I was for Hillary from the beginning. No one else has the kind of experience she has had...Obama is realitively inexperienced in comparison. Promising everyone a chicken in every pot and a "pie in the sky' doesn't mean shit if you can't back it up with solid plans.
So, now, it is what it is. Obama cannot aford to lose 20 million voters by excluding Hillary from the ticket...just remember this was no 'slam dunk' on his part..it was damn close! ( and Hillary won all the "big" states).
If he doesn't chose her for VP, then I shall sit this one out...and hope for the next election. But, after the damage Dubya has done in the last eight years...I really fear for our country right now....we don't need an old man, nor a novice in this job....The next prez better know what the hell to do, because ,we, my friends, are going to hell in the proverbial hand basket.
I believed Hillary could have done a good job..but, she still could be of value as a VP.

Peace,
Anne

[Playitloudforme]

With half of the democratic votes going to her, Obama would be a pure idiot not to have her on the ticket. The backlash he'd get from that half could and would kill his ability to win the presidency.

and if McCain wins, I'm moving to Europe. Dead serious. I will not be in this country with another warmonger as president.

Then begin packing your bags. Obama will not win no matter who he chooses as his running mate. The Democratic party is so fucked up right now - any honest Democrat will tell you that (me being one of them). Party leadership is terrible. There was a perfect opportunity to take the white house and the best that could be found was Clinton or Obama? This will go down as one of the biggest political fuck ups in history. The Bush administration served up a gigantic softball to the Democrats and they swung and missed. Unbelievable.

Prepare for President McCain and let us know what country in Europe you will call home.

Any country would be better than a McCain led America. But I don't think I'll need to pack at all, thank you very mucha.

[Tito]

I saw Rendell on TNC's favorite show, Hannity and Colmes, he basically took himself out of the running. Considering what he said about himself (which shocked me), "I don't have enough foreign policy experience" leads me to believe he meant it. If he is nominated by some chance, don't think the appearance won't be used against him. He seemed to be pushing Biden.

[Saint John]

I pray to God Obama picks Clinton. McCain's victory would be easy.

[SteveForever]

Wonder if Hillary and Bill will finally divorce?

[lights1961]

Hillary has too many haters. I predict Edwards will be Obama's running mate.

edwards was on the losing ticket before... why do that again... i think he needs to pick someone more center... otherwise too left will not get that ticket elected--the country as a **whole** does nto want to go that direction...

MCCAIN will pull the upset.

[Onestepper]

I was for Hillary from the beginning. No one else has the kind of experience she has had...Obama is realitively inexperienced in comparison. Promising everyone a chicken in every pot and a "pie in the sky' doesn't mean shit if you can't back it up with solid plans.
So, now, it is what it is. Obama cannot aford to lose 20 million voters by excluding Hillary from the ticket...just remember this was no 'slam dunk' on his part..it was damn close! ( and Hillary won all the "big" states).
If he doesn't chose her for VP, then I shall sit this one out...and hope for the next election. But, after the damage Dubya has done in the last eight years...I really fear for our country right now....we don't need an old man, nor a novice in this job....The next prez better know what the hell to do, because ,we, my friends, are going to hell in the proverbial hand basket.
I believed Hillary could have done a good job..but, she still could be of value as a VP.

Peace,
Anne

I think you can look at any of the VP candidates listed above and determine they all have much more substantial experience than what HRC can claim. She has name recognition, but virtually no economic and foreign policy experience.

[conversationpc]

Any country would be better than a McCain led America. But I don't think I'll need to pack at all, thank you very mucha.

I can't believe people, Republican or Democrat, say such stupid things as this.

[SteveForever]

Any country would be better than a McCain led America. But I don't think I'll need to pack at all, thank you very mucha.

I can't believe people, Republican or Democrat, say such stupid things as this.

Why abandon your country when times get rough? its not THAT bad!
I get your point, but we do alot of good things around the world too and
we have a very nice lifestyle here compared to most in the world. These
are changing times....I feel your pain.

[classicstyxfan]

If McCain wins, I'm not going anywhere.........I just hope he doesnt keep us in Iraq-nam permanently, and has a better plan then the current one to turn the economy around. ( BTW, I do think it's ridicululous they way dems are twisting the 100 years comment to distort his intention )

[Playitloudforme]

Any country would be better than a McCain led America. But I don't think I'll need to pack at all, thank you very mucha.

I can't believe people, Republican or Democrat, say such stupid things as this.

Too bad Dave. I'm not stupid.

[Tito]

I pray to God Obama picks Clinton. McCain's victory would be easy.

You're out of your f'n mind. If, somehow McCain pulls this off, it will be a major upset. The only possible way I see him winning is by just getting enough electoral votes. He will not win the popular vote. If that scenario plays out, unfortunately, you can say goodbye to the electoral college. Even the early projections of the electoral map, although close, lean towards Obama. He has more room to grow than McCain also in the projections. Unless there is some major surprise or revelation on Obama, like a cocaine fueled homosexual orgy, he will win going away.

[conversationpc]

Any country would be better than a McCain led America. But I don't think I'll need to pack at all, thank you very mucha.

I can't believe people, Republican or Democrat, say such stupid things as this.

Too bad Dave. I'm not stupid.

I didn't say you were stupid. I said it was a stupid thing to say, and it is. I think Obama would be a total disaster as President but I would never even think about saying that I would consider moving out of the country because of him or that other countries would be better because of his being the President. McCain is no despot worthy of that kind of comment. He's not nor will he ever be a Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Kim Jung Il, etc.

[Playitloudforme]

Any country would be better than a McCain led America. But I don't think I'll need to pack at all, thank you very mucha.

I can't believe people, Republican or Democrat, say such stupid things as this.

Too bad Dave. I'm not stupid.

I didn't say you were stupid. I said it was a stupid thing to say, and it is. I think Obama would be a total disaster as President but I would never even think about saying that I would consider moving out of the country because of him or that other countries would be better because of his being the President. McCain is no despot worthy of that kind of comment. He's not nor will he ever be a Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Kim Jung Il, etc.

By saying that it was a stupid thing to say, you insinuate that I am stupid, and I absolutely take offense to that.

McCain is not, IN MY OPINION, the right person for the job, as he has said he plans on continuing the war, which a good chunk of this nation is sick to death over.

I'm not saying you are stupid for your beliefs, nor your comments, so do not do that with mine. Period!

[classicstyxfan]

I think you 2 should meet after school....at the bike racks !

( thats how all the fights/disputes at my middle school were resolved )

[Playitloudforme]

I think you 2 should meet after school....at the bike racks !

( thats how all the fights/disputes at my middle school were resolved )

Pretty much why I hardly post here anymore, as nearly every thread ends up in an extremely juvenile pissing match. Why can't people just let others have a fuckin' opinion... shit. Absolute Bully mentality around here.

Back to living my LIFE..thank you very much. fuckin a