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[Matthew]

As for the vocal performance, since there are apparently more effects added to Perry's vocals on ROR, it's somewhat difficult to tell whose performance is better. Besides that, I didn't say it was better.

No amount of studio trickery can create the sound of genius. It was there for all to hear on ROR.

As for amazing moments, I think "Change for the Better", "After All These Years", and "Where Did I Lose Your Love" are nearly as good as anything the band has done. Also, as formulaic as "Never Walk Away" is, it is nearly their equal.

I like "Change For The Better". Definitely one of the better tracks and well-produced too. Amazing? I'm surprised that someone with a record collection the size of yours Dave would react that way....

[conversationpc]

As for the vocal performance, since there are apparently more effects added to Perry's vocals on ROR, it's somewhat difficult to tell whose performance is better. Besides that, I didn't say it was better.

No amount of studio trickery can create the sound of genius. It was there for all to hear on ROR.

Perry's voice was starting to sound pretty raspy on "Street Talk" already. It sounds smoother on ROR and I don't think it was just having time off that did that but the effects on his vocals. I'm not saying that was the intent of what they did in the studio but it effectively makes his vocals sound cleaner than they really were at the time.

[Matthew]

As for the vocal performance, since there are apparently more effects added to Perry's vocals on ROR, it's somewhat difficult to tell whose performance is better. Besides that, I didn't say it was better.

No amount of studio trickery can create the sound of genius. It was there for all to hear on ROR.

Perry's voice was starting to sound pretty raspy on "Street Talk" already. It sounds smoother on ROR and I don't think it was just having time off that did that but the effects on his vocals. I'm not saying that was the intent of what they did in the studio but it effectively makes his vocals sound cleaner than they really were at the time.

You talk about the rasp like it's a bad thing. The rasp was great. The rasp took Perry into the super-league of vocalists.

Okay..ROR had a clean production but in terms of sheer delivery...compare Perry's performance at the end of WCTNGF with Arnel's at the end of TDTWT? Perry's retains the full soulful power of his voice at the highest ranges ...and he really brings that song home. Whereas Arnel's goes thin and whiney and the song ends on an okayish note....

[conversationpc]

You talk about the rasp like it's a bad thing. The rasp was great. The rasp took Perry into the super-league of vocalists.

Actually, no I don't. My favorite Perry vocals are on "Frontiers" and "Raised on Radio".

Okay..ROR had a clean production but in terms of sheer delivery...compare Perry's performance at the end of WCTNGF with Arnel's at the end of TDTWT? Perry's retains the full soulful power of his voice at the highest ranges ...and he really brings that song home. Whereas Arnel's goes thin and whiney and the song [ends on an okayish note....

Again, I've never said that Arnel's performance is better or even equal. Close in some areas? Yes.

[Allied Forces]

The singer isn't bad at all. He sounds nothing like Steve Perry though. From reading the pros and cons, it sounds like typical controversy in Journeyland. You all thrive on that though.

I'm glad my band will reunite as the original three. My best wishes to all the starved fans of Steve Perry and Journey that it one day happens for all of you as well!

[lights1961]

a more objective thought....after the first listen throgh---remember when you heard LIGHTS all those years a go... or even when
Perry did OHSHERRIE or foolish heart... And lighs was PERRYS first time at the big time....he just new how to throw the hooks in no matter what was sung... i dont hear that here..too me the band tries too hard to get that old sound back...same thing on arrival, they were trying to make things happen---with Perry
HIS VOICE MADE IT HAPPEN and the musical talents made it happen... In this CD the band has the talents--butT the singer
cant pull off what the band is playing---same thing with ARRIVAL. THE BAND sounds fantastic----Neal Jon and Deen and even ross shine
on almost all the songs...that part is still the magic...i think i just turned into a loon!!!
Ric

[ProgRocker53]

a more objective thought....after the first listen throgh---remember when you heard LIGHTS all those years a go... or even when
Perry did OHSHERRIE or foolish heart... And lighs was PERRYS first time at the big time....he just new how to throw the hooks in no matter what was sung... i dont hear that here..too me the band tries too hard to get that old sound back...same thing on arrival, they were trying to make things happen---with Perry
HIS VOICE MADE IT HAPPEN and the musical talents made it happen... In this CD the band has the talents--butT the singer
cant pull off what the band is playing---same thing with ARRIVAL. THE BAND sounds fantastic----Neal Jon and Deen and even ross shine
on almost all the songs...that part is still the magic...i think i just turned into a loon!!!
Ric

Arnel's singing on a couple songs touched me the same way first listens of many great Perry-era songs did.

Namely, Turn Down The World Tonight and After All These Years.

[slucero]

As for the vocal performance, since there are apparently more effects added to Perry's vocals on ROR, it's somewhat difficult to tell whose performance is better. Besides that, I didn't say it was better.

No amount of studio trickery can create the sound of genius. It was there for all to hear on ROR.

Perry's voice was starting to sound pretty raspy on "Street Talk" already. It sounds smoother on ROR and I don't think it was just having time off that did that but the effects on his vocals. I'm not saying that was the intent of what they did in the studio but it effectively makes his vocals sound cleaner than they really were at the time.

You talk about the rasp like it's a bad thing. The rasp was great. The rasp took Perry into the super-league of vocalists.

Okay..ROR had a clean production but in terms of sheer delivery...compare Perry's performance at the end of WCTNGF with Arnel's at the end of TDTWT? Perry's retains the full soulful power of his voice at the highest ranges ...and he really brings that song home. Whereas Arnel's goes thin and whiney and the song ends on an okayish note....

lmao.... here you are comparing Arnel, who hasn't been in the band 7 months... and yer comparing him to Perry, who had been in the band for 7 albums and 7 YEARS by then...

When Perry 1st joined Journey.. he too was "thin and whiney".... but he got vocal training, and he got better didn't he...

Give Arnel 7 YEARS and 7 albums... then the comparisons can be considered.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Just watched the DVD for the first time, and all I have to say is this:

Mother.
Freaking.
Father.

Absolutely unreal performance all around. Watching Deen sing and drum on that song is a real treat. I'm glad they included this song on the DVD. Also, I thought Wildest Dream translated really well live.

But Mother, Father steals the show.

[stevew2]

Just watched the DVD for the first time, and all I have to say is this:

Mother.
Freaking.
Father.

Absolutely unreal performance all around. Watching Deen sing and drum on that song is a real treat. I'm glad they included this song on the DVD. Also, I thought Wildest Dream translated really well live.

But Mother, Father steals the show.

i am liking everything, Dean does steal l the show, the way he sings and plays the drums at the same time, he makes it look so easy.His vocals kick ass

[stevew2]

Just watched the DVD for the first time, and all I have to say is this:

Mother.
Freaking.
Father.

Absolutely unreal performance all around. Watching Deen sing and drum on that song is a real treat. I'm glad they included this song on the DVD. Also, I thought Wildest Dream translated really well live.

But Mother, Father steals the show.

I saw him do it live 3 times, and it was fuckin amazing each time, He topped again

[Moose]

But Mother, Father steals the show.

Totally...gives me chills

[stevew2]

But Mother, Father steals the show.

Totally...gives me chills

If he had the looks, and the "want to" he could have pulled the 'whole thing off"

[JH'sTXfan]

But Mother, Father steals the show.

Totally...gives me chills

If he had the looks, and the "want to" he could have pulled the 'whole thing off"

Deen does have the "looks".

[finalfight]

Deen does have the "looks".

[JH'sTXfan]

Deen does have the "looks".

That's a great picture of him on the back of Revelation.

[Andrew]

But Mother, Father steals the show.

Totally...gives me chills

Classic avatar there Moose....but at least twice as big as it should be. Can you re-size?

[Matthew]

lmao.... here you are comparing Arnel, who hasn't been in the band 7 months... and yer comparing him to Perry, who had been in the band for 7 albums and 7 YEARS by then...

When Perry 1st joined Journey.. he too was "thin and whiney".... but he got vocal training, and he got better didn't he...

Give Arnel 7 YEARS and 7 albums... then the comparisons can be considered.

Ah...my old nemesis Slucero.

Good point regarding the criticisms about Perry's voice when he first joined the band. I guess the big difference was that Perry wasn't a 40-yar old man with two decades of singing experience behind him in 1978.

[frfksakes]

lmao.... here you are comparing Arnel, who hasn't been in the band 7 months... and yer comparing him to Perry, who had been in the band for 7 albums and 7 YEARS by then...

When Perry 1st joined Journey.. he too was "thin and whiney".... but he got vocal training, and he got better didn't he...

Give Arnel 7 YEARS and 7 albums... then the comparisons can be considered.

Ah...my old nemesis Slucero.

Good point regarding the criticisms about Perry's voice when he first joined the band.

hmm. i guess it's a matter of taste, but from the boots I have, Perry was pretty great right out of the gate. Even from those first few shows where they were introducing him to their fans...

& most of those tv shows - Midnight Special, Soundstage ,,, were within his first year, weren't they?

Not saying he was always perfect, but he was pretty great, to me.

[Barb]

lmao.... here you are comparing Arnel, who hasn't been in the band 7 months... and yer comparing him to Perry, who had been in the band for 7 albums and 7 YEARS by then...

When Perry 1st joined Journey.. he too was "thin and whiney".... but he got vocal training, and he got better didn't he...

Give Arnel 7 YEARS and 7 albums... then the comparisons can be considered.

Ah...my old nemesis Slucero.

Good point regarding the criticisms about Perry's voice when he first joined the band.

hmm. i guess it's a matter of taste, but from the boots I have, Perry was pretty great right out of the gate. Even from those first few shows where they were introducing him to their fans...

& most of those tv shows - Midnight Special, Soundstage ,,, were in within his first year, weren't they?

Not saying he was always perfect, but he was pretty great, to me.

Agreed, but Perry is a legend. Arnel is just your average phenomenal singer.

[StoneCold]

Arnel's voice is amazing for being 40. Listen to his "Hear me CALLING" at 4:45 in "What I Needed". Dude brings it.

[lights1961]

As for the vocal performance, since there are apparently more effects added to Perry's vocals on ROR, it's somewhat difficult to tell whose performance is better. Besides that, I didn't say it was better.

No amount of studio trickery can create the sound of genius. It was there for all to hear on ROR.

Perry's voice was starting to sound pretty raspy on "Street Talk" already. It sounds smoother on ROR and I don't think it was just having time off that did that but the effects on his vocals. I'm not saying that was the intent of what they did in the studio but it effectively makes his vocals sound cleaner than they really were at the time.

You talk about the rasp like it's a bad thing. The rasp was great. The rasp took Perry into the super-league of vocalists.

Okay..ROR had a clean production but in terms of sheer delivery...compare Perry's performance at the end of WCTNGF with Arnel's at the end of TDTWT? Perry's retains the full soulful power of his voice at the highest ranges ...and he really brings that song home. Whereas Arnel's goes thin and whiney and the song ends on an okayish note....

lmao.... here you are comparing Arnel, who hasn't been in the band 7 months... and yer comparing him to Perry, who had been in the band for 7 albums and 7 YEARS by then...

When Perry 1st joined Journey.. he too was "thin and whiney".... but he got vocal training, and he got better didn't he...

Give Arnel 7 YEARS and 7 albums... then the comparisons can be considered.

listen to lights--- close your eyes and hear it as thought its your first time.. iam not comparing the two as veteran to rookie... iam comparing first perry cd with journey and arenels first cd with journey... emotion and range on first LP for Perry was stronger---maybe it is the lyrics and the arrangments on the song that make the difference... ... i can listen to infinty in whole and you go WOW.....listen to Revelations and its hit and miss....some very good potential sunshower and after all these years... and Neals instrumental... again its only my first listen...
if it grows on me i will like it... Augeris first CD was hit and miss too... Live and Breathe and i got a reason were awesome as was livin to do... hit miss on the rest. again not complaining...
just my opinion.

Rick

[amaron]

lmao.... here you are comparing Arnel, who hasn't been in the band 7 months... and yer comparing him to Perry, who had been in the band for 7 albums and 7 YEARS by then...

When Perry 1st joined Journey.. he too was "thin and whiney".... but he got vocal training, and he got better didn't he...

Give Arnel 7 YEARS and 7 albums... then the comparisons can be considered.

Ah...my old nemesis Slucero.

Good point regarding the criticisms about Perry's voice when he first joined the band.

hmm. i guess it's a matter of taste, but from the boots I have, Perry was pretty great right out of the gate. Even from those first few shows where they were introducing him to their fans...

& most of those tv shows - Midnight Special, Soundstage ,,, were within his first year, weren't they?

Not saying he was always perfect, but he was pretty great, to me.

I had a live version of Patiently from the early days that was absolutely incredible. I think it was from Soundstage if I'm not mistaken.

Listening to WITS again makes me realize, at least in my mind, how much SP's voice changed from 1978 to 1986.

[brywool]

But Mother, Father steals the show.

Totally...gives me chills

If he had the looks, and the "want to" he could have pulled the 'whole thing off"

I wondered that... have you heard his speaking voice? It's pretty trashed. Kind of like Perry in BTM.
I wonder why Deen doesn't pursue that more (solo record).

[brywool]

Um, is anybody else really connecting with "Help Me Turn Down the World Tonight"?- Holy shit, it's my life in a 5 minute song. It's really a great song.

I work 3 jobs, gotta family, etc. it really floors me.

Do Neal and Jon just crap hooks after breakfast????

[Rhiannon]

Do Neal and Jon just crap hooks after breakfast????

Lyrics are high in fiber. Could be...

[stevew2]

But Mother, Father steals the show.

Totally...gives me chills

If he had the looks, and the "want to" he could have pulled the 'whole thing off"

I wondered that... have you heard his speaking voice? It's pretty trashed. Kind of like Perry in BTM.
I wonder why Deen doesn't pursue that more (solo record).

Speaking voice and singing voice are not always the same. His voice doesnt sound trashed on mother father

[brywool]

But Mother, Father steals the show.

Totally...gives me chills

If he had the looks, and the "want to" he could have pulled the 'whole thing off"

I wondered that... have you heard his speaking voice? It's pretty trashed. Kind of like Perry in BTM.
I wonder why Deen doesn't pursue that more (solo record).

Speaking voice and singing voice are not always the same. His voice doesnt sound trashed on mother father

I agree that he kills on it. But I'm just wondering how long he'd last fronting a band singing all night.
There IS a direct correlation with your speaking voice and singing voice though.

[stevew2]

But Mother, Father steals the show.

Totally...gives me chills

If he had the looks, and the "want to" he could have pulled the 'whole thing off"

I wondered that... have you heard his speaking voice? It's pretty trashed. Kind of like Perry in BTM.
I wonder why Deen doesn't pursue that more (solo record).

Speaking voice and singing voice are not always the same. His voice doesnt sound trashed on mother father

I agree that he kills on it. But I'm just wondering how long he'd last fronting a band singing all night.
There IS a direct correlation with your speaking voice and singing voice though.

I dont know he would last or Arnel will for that matter. I just checked out there dates, looks pretty grueling. Deen already made it clear he doesnt want be a lead singer.He could if he wanted, fucker can sing

[Matthew]

Um, is anybody else really connecting with "Help Me Turn Down the World Tonight"?- ?

Yes - I am. Even I'm a bit lukewarm about the album overall this song is utterly brilliant. Best Journey song in ten years....