I am glad I never listened to Journey with Augeri now.

[Ehwmatt]

You really think he's terrible in general?

Um, no! As I've already said, Schon is a BRILLIANT guitarist and his guitar licks are as much a part of Journey's sound as Perry's vocals are! I simply don't think the guy has ANY right, AT ALL, singing lead on ANYTHING with the name Journey on it! I could give a rat's ass if he started the band or not! Journey became Journey because of Perry's voice and Schon's guitar, not the other way around! I also would have never suggested that Perry should have played lead guitar on any Journey tracks. It makes a mockery of what is supposed to be a great band!

John from Boston

The terrible in general referred to his singing voice, I wouldn't have bothered asking you about his guitar abilities cuz theres only one right answer to that . Part of my thing is Journey is Journey to me whether I'm listening to Revelation or the debut featuring Rolie's smokey vocals and the fusiony jams. I'm a Journey fan with or without Perry. Perry is obviously a legend, but I don't think Neal is pissing all over the name if he happens to sing lead once or twice in the whole band's longggg history. If you want a good example of a guitarist who should stick to playing guitar, go look up Walter Becker from Steely Dan trying to sing Haitian Divorce on last year's tour... fucking painful.

[yulog]

Original version is much better, tuned down guitars in the new one (Shirley was way off thinking this would be better).Ugh!

[NealIsGod]

If you want a good example of a guitarist who should stick to playing guitar, go look up Walter Becker from Steely Dan trying to sing Haitian Divorce on last year's tour... fucking painful.

Yup. When Becker takes over the mic, the beer and bathroom lines grow exponentially.

[conversationpc]

First, Neal repeatedly does this whammy rise to preface some licks, and it kinda sounds like, "W-o-o-o-o-o-p !!!" I hate it! Sounds like something Steve Vai would do.

Yes. That's what I was talking about in my post earlier. He way overdoes that in this song.

[Red13JoePa]

Biggest problem I can hear w/ the new FITH is that they replaced at LEAST one rythym guitar (unless I am wrong the Generations had 3 guitars including Schon on lead and Schon and Cain on rythm in many parts) and had Cain lay louder keys over it.
I liked it with more guitars like on Gens. Good but somewhat hesitant vocal out of Pineda on it (though he does hit a few amazing notes), whereas Augeri's lead vocal grabbed me by the shirt and punched me in the face.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Listen...if you think "Generations" is this masterpiece, then more power to you, NC!

That's not what I've said.
In fact, I've gone out of my way to qualify that the album has plenty of shortcomings.
That said, by cartoonishly hammering that there isn't a trace of musical merit on it, and by detouring this thread wayward (who was debating live vocals?) you've gone and exposed your true agenda of dogpiling ontop of a Perry-less Journey - facts and reality be fucked.

[ProgRocker53]

The bottom line for me is that ANY recording with the Journey name on it that has Valory, Schon, and Cain singing lead vocals doesn't deserve to be put out as a for profit piece of music!

Oh hay guys it's me, People and Places! What's going on in this thread?

Amen.

[ProgRocker53]

You really think he's terrible in general?

Um, no! As I've already said, Schon is a BRILLIANT guitarist and his guitar licks are as much a part of Journey's sound as Perry's vocals are! I simply don't think the guy has ANY right, AT ALL, singing lead on ANYTHING with the name Journey on it! I could give a rat's ass if he started the band or not! Journey became Journey because of Perry's voice and Schon's guitar, not the other way around! I also would have never suggested that Perry should have played lead guitar on any Journey tracks. It makes a mockery of what is supposed to be a great band!

John from Boston

The terrible in general referred to his singing voice, I wouldn't have bothered asking you about his guitar abilities cuz theres only one right answer to that . Part of my thing is Journey is Journey to me whether I'm listening to Revelation or the debut featuring Rolie's smokey vocals and the fusiony jams. I'm a Journey fan with or without Perry. Perry is obviously a legend, but I don't think Neal is pissing all over the name if he happens to sing lead once or twice in the whole band's longggg history. If you want a good example of a guitarist who should stick to playing guitar, go look up Walter Becker from Steely Dan trying to sing Haitian Divorce on last year's tour... fucking painful.

Amen, on all counts.

[ProgRocker53]

You really think he's terrible in general?

Um, no! As I've already said, Schon is a BRILLIANT guitarist and his guitar licks are as much a part of Journey's sound as Perry's vocals are! I simply don't think the guy has ANY right, AT ALL, singing lead on ANYTHING with the name Journey on it! I could give a rat's ass if he started the band or not! Journey became Journey because of Perry's voice and Schon's guitar, not the other way around! I also would have never suggested that Perry should have played lead guitar on any Journey tracks. It makes a mockery of what is supposed to be a great band!

Actually, Journey became Journey because of Rolie's warm organ, Schon's blistering guitar, Dunbar's thundering durms, Valory's haunting bass, and Tickner's... uh... mustache.

[Rhiannon]

Actually, Journey became Journey because of Rolie's warm organ, Schon's blistering guitar, Dunbar's thundering durms, Valory's haunting bass, and Tickner's... uh... mustache.

This reeks of innuendo.

[ProgRocker53]

Actually, Journey became Journey because of Rolie's warm organ, Schon's blistering guitar, Dunbar's thundering durms, Valory's haunting bass, and Tickner's... uh... mustache.

This reeks of innuendo.

Are you surprised at all?

....and wtf is a thundering DURM? i hate my life.

[jrnyman28]

Augeri's lead vocal grabbed me by the shirt and punched me in the face.

This actually had me chuckling in my office!

I do not like the new FITH. I do not like the vocal changes, I do not like the added Keys, I do not like the softened drum change-up that I thought was one of the best moments on Generations, I do not like Arnel's attempt at the banshee wail .

[brywool]

The Generations version is definitely the better. The song just goes together better.
I also am in the camp of not digging Cain's little piano parts over the top near the end.
I like Both Banshee Wails though. I think Pineda does a good job on the track. It's just a different interpretation of it. The Generations track just has a better feel in general.

[Rhiannon]

Actually, Journey became Journey because of Rolie's warm organ, Schon's blistering guitar, Dunbar's thundering durms, Valory's haunting bass, and Tickner's... uh... mustache.

This reeks of innuendo.

Are you surprised at all?

....and wtf is a thundering DURM? i hate my life.

[stevew2]

The Generations version is definitely the better. The song just goes together better.
I also am in the camp of not digging Cain's little piano parts over the top near the end.
I like Both Banshee Wails though. I think Pineda does a good job on the track. It's just a different interpretation of it. The Generations track just has a better feel in general.

Yea the little key thing at the end sounds like the noise Kmart used to use over there Pa before they announced their Blue Light Special. Friga tries to enflict his gayness on the whole CD. When i first heard it I though there was a playstation on somewhere

[NealIsGod]

Augeri's lead vocal grabbed me by the shirt and punched me in the face.

This actually had me chuckling in my office!

I do not like the new FITH. I do not like the vocal changes, I do not like the added Keys, I do not like the softened drum change-up that I thought was one of the best moments on Generations, I do not like Arnel's attempt at the banshee wail .

I Do Not Like It, Sam-I-Am.

[jestor92]

FITHL just kicks ass to me. Since I never heard more than a little bit of the original it is a new song to me and I dig it big time. So, I decided to listen to the original and grabbed it from ... Somewhere......

I just dont get you guys liking the original better at all. Flat sounding ? Man to me it KILLS the original because Arnel's is about a billion times more powerful. The end of the song where he is singing "Give me something to believe" in high tenor I think sounds so fucking right. The original sounds like the "intruder" to me. I am glad they redid it..

Then they go in to this progressive sounding jam out at the end... Fucking a man...

That song just rolls my joint ya know... The original with Dipty Doo Perm Poodle... Sorry.. Never liked Augeri's singing at all. I hear he is a real nice guy though....

I prefer Augeri's FITHL to Arnel's. Augeri's version sounds tougher while Arnels sounds like a lollipop song.

[ProgRocker53]

The Generations version is definitely the better. The song just goes together better.
I also am in the camp of not digging Cain's little piano parts over the top near the end.
I like Both Banshee Wails though. I think Pineda does a good job on the track. It's just a different interpretation of it. The Generations track just has a better feel in general.

Yea the little key thing at the end sounds like the noise Kmart used to use over there Pa before they announced their Blue Light Special. Friga tries to enflict his gayness on the whole CD. When i first heard it I though there was a playstation on somewhere

Not only does Friga interpose faggotry over FITH's conclusive jam, but he also pops up during key moments of Wildest Dream, Change for the Better, and Never Walk Away where he doesn't belong.

[San Diego Gary]

FITHL just kicks ass to me. Since I never heard more than a little bit of the original it is a new song to me and I dig it big time. So, I decided to listen to the original and grabbed it from ... Somewhere......

I just dont get you guys liking the original better at all. Flat sounding ? Man to me it KILLS the original because Arnel's is about a billion times more powerful. The end of the song where he is singing "Give me something to believe" in high tenor I think sounds so fucking right. The original sounds like the "intruder" to me. I am glad they redid it..

Then they go in to this progressive sounding jam out at the end... Fucking a man...

That song just rolls my joint ya know... The original with Dipty Doo Perm Poodle... Sorry.. Never liked Augeri's singing at all. I hear he is a real nice guy though....

I can respect your opinion but vehemently disagree.

Once upon a time, the song rocked.

I absolutely agree. I think it's obvious Arnel has a stronger voice, but I don't care, I think the Generations version is better, NO CONTEST. I liked all elements of it better.
And to me, Arnel's covers of the classics are the same. The man definitely has a set of pipes, and the new songs are good, but I think he does a very poor job of conveying SP's or even SA's emotion on the remakes.

.

[San Diego Gary]

My thoughts on the FITH re-recording...

• The urgency of the original version is severely lacking in the new one.
• The additional piano in the last section of the song "pussifies" the new version too much.
• Arnel's vocals, though not technically poor, lack passion. He sounds like he is reciting the lyrics off a sheet. His accent bothers me more on this one that any of the others.
• Ross's playing on the original is better to my ears.
• The background vox towards the end sound terrible. Not off-key but they just don't sound good.
• That "siren"-like guitar sound that Neal sometimes overdoes is more evident in the ending section.

The only improvements, in my opinion, are Deen's drumming and the production.

DAMN you're good!

As I said elsewhere; to me, Arnel sounds like a guy, with admittedly a great voice, but sitting in a bar, singing along with a jukebox. No emotion whatsoever.

[stevew2]

The Generations version is definitely the better. The song just goes together better.
I also am in the camp of not digging Cain's little piano parts over the top near the end.
I like Both Banshee Wails though. I think Pineda does a good job on the track. It's just a different interpretation of it. The Generations track just has a better feel in general.

Yea the little key thing at the end sounds like the noise Kmart used to use over there Pa before they announced their Blue Light Special. Friga tries to enflict his gayness on the whole CD. When i first heard it I though there was a playstation on somewhere

Not only does Friga interpose faggotry over FITH's conclusive jam, but he also pops up during key moments of Wildest Dream, Change for the Better, and Never Walk Away where he doesn't "elong.

I agree, he runs up and down the keys at the end of Wildest Dream like a 5 year old that you want to say 'stop banging on the piano". AATY,is a different story ,great song, Arnel sound really good on it also, His vocals are clear, and I do understand everything he is singing

[ProgRocker53]

The Generations version is definitely the better. The song just goes together better.
I also am in the camp of not digging Cain's little piano parts over the top near the end.
I like Both Banshee Wails though. I think Pineda does a good job on the track. It's just a different interpretation of it. The Generations track just has a better feel in general.

Yea the little key thing at the end sounds like the noise Kmart used to use over there Pa before they announced their Blue Light Special. Friga tries to enflict his gayness on the whole CD. When i first heard it I though there was a playstation on somewhere

Not only does Friga interpose faggotry over FITH's conclusive jam, but he also pops up during key moments of Wildest Dream, Change for the Better, and Never Walk Away where he doesn't "elong.

I agree, he runs up and down the keys at the end of Wildest Dream like a 5 year old that you want to say 'stop banging on the piano". AATY,is a different story ,great song, Arnel sound really good on it also, His vocals are clear, and I do understand everything he is singing

AATY and TDTWT both prove that Friga is best served playing beautiful piano on powerful ballads.

[San Diego Gary]

The Generations version is definitely the better. The song just goes together better.
I also am in the camp of not digging Cain's little piano parts over the top near the end.
I like Both Banshee Wails though. I think Pineda does a good job on the track. It's just a different interpretation of it. The Generations track just has a better feel in general.

Yea the little key thing at the end sounds like the noise Kmart used to use over there Pa before they announced their Blue Light Special. Friga tries to enflict his gayness on the whole CD. When i first heard it I though there was a playstation on somewhere

Not only does Friga interpose faggotry over FITH's conclusive jam, but he also pops up during key moments of Wildest Dream, Change for the Better, and Never Walk Away where he doesn't "elong.

I agree, he runs up and down the keys at the end of Wildest Dream like a 5 year old that you want to say 'stop banging on the piano". AATY,is a different story ,great song, Arnel sound really good on it also, His vocals are clear, and I do understand everything he is singing

AATY and TDTWT both prove that Friga is best served playing beautiful piano on powerful ballads.

Yup.

[stevew2]

The Generations version is definitely the better. The song just goes together better.
I also am in the camp of not digging Cain's little piano parts over the top near the end.
I like Both Banshee Wails though. I think Pineda does a good job on the track. It's just a different interpretation of it. The Generations track just has a better feel in general.

Yea the little key thing at the end sounds like the noise Kmart used to use over there Pa before they announced their Blue Light Special. Friga tries to enflict his gayness on the whole CD. When i first heard it I though there was a playstation on somewhere

Not only does Friga interpose faggotry over FITH's conclusive jam, but he also pops up during key moments of Wildest Dream, Change for the Better, and Never Walk Away where he doesn't "elong.

I agree, he runs up and down the keys at the end of Wildest Dream like a 5 year old that you want to say 'stop banging on the piano". AATY,is a different story ,great song, Arnel sound really good on it also, His vocals are clear, and I do understand everything he is singing

AATY and TDTWT both prove that Friga is best served playing beautiful piano on powerful ballads.

I really like that "hook' Friga is playin on TDTWT. It is simple {like friga} but it is really nice, kinda like Faithfully. Ive ran the CD 4 times through, I am liking it more each time

[7 Wishes]

Faith in the Heartland is a Top 3 Augeri-era tune for sure.

Which is on par with medaling in the Special Olympics.

Dan, that is a top-10 alltime quote, although five or six songs off Arrival were brilliant (the Jack Blades co-writes being the best).

[Red13JoePa]

I really like that "hook' Friga is playin on TDTWT. It is simple {like friga} but it is really nice

Wanted to talk about this before and I completely agree.

What a great, simple, sweet little key lead riff that is.

Is this record, as an entire album, Cain's finest hour?
I think he topped himself between his classic Journey keys, piano parts, hammond sampling and synth effects.

[stevew2]

I really like that "hook' Friga is playin on TDTWT. It is simple {like friga} but it is really nice

Wanted to talk about this before and I completely agree.

What a great, simple, sweet little key lead riff that is.

Is this record, as an entire album, Cain's finest hour?
I think he topped himself between his classic Journey keys, piano parts, hammond sampling and synth effects.

I haer some of them buzzy poly synth sounds from the 80s in there, love it. I think he had his way with this CD.Its good, there are just places he should have stayed in his room and played with his toys. I think having a break recharged his batteries {and his gayness}

[marco17]

How'd a thread on Not listening to Augeri turn into a thread about Cain, his abilities and is gayness

[Red13JoePa]

Dunno, who cares but now that Deano's gone I'm prepared to nominate SteveW2's av for enshrinement on the MR Mt Rushmore.

Love how it evolves and different flourishes appear all the time
LOVE that thing

[stevew2]

Dunno, who cares but now that Deano's gone I'm prepared to nominate SteveW2's av for enshrinement on the MR Mt Rushmore.

Love how it evolves and different flourishes appear all the time
LOVE that thing

Thanks Red, I came up with the idea, my Daughter does the artwork, I draw/color as good as I spell. I had a suggestion that Friga needs a new hair style, thats in the works. Friga and easy subject to work on ,it doesnt take much