Legacy Sound?

[DrFU]

It's true Journey raises the bar at a higher level...that's the fact...a worst day for Steve Augeri is a great day for Jeff Scott Soto...that was the comment from Herbie Herbert....then Arnel Pineda was sick the day they re-recorded the Anyway You Want It song and nailed it, same day he was sick....so a sick Arnel Pineda is a great day for Steve Perry on his prime, recording the song Anyway You Want It......ridiculously sickening....that's the rockline comments in the interview...that is ridiculously raising the bar at a higher level....now that's JOURNEY at it's best...

Nice first post. Have no idea what you were saying and it still came off idiotic. You'll fit right in.

[Saint John]

It's true Journey raises the bar at a higher level...that's the fact...a worst day for Steve Augeri is a great day for Jeff Scott Soto...that was the comment from Herbie Herbert....then Arnel Pineda was sick the day they re-recorded the Anyway You Want It song and nailed it, same day he was sick....so a sick Arnel Pineda is a great day for Steve Perry on his prime, recording the song Anyway You Want It......ridiculously sickening....that's the rockline comments in the interview...that is ridiculously raising the bar at a higher level....now that's JOURNEY at it's best...

Get the fuck out of here. Dismissing Perry's vocal capabilities is akin to dissing Elton John's cocksucking ability. Beat it, dick lips.

[junkitkat]

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October 1986, watch JOURNEY live at the PHILADELPHIA Spectrum...Steve Perry lost his legacy vocally....he sounded terrible, the vocals we're just horrible. But I defended him until, he parted the 2nd time from JOURNEY....Then I have to suck it up and move on...my Idol is done....but I still believe he can still make great songs...and thats what I'm still waiting...not him singing...but his composition......great, a gifted songwriter.....

[Memorex]

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October 1986, watch JOURNEY live at the PHILADELPHIA Spectrum...Steve Perry lost his legacy vocally....he sounded terrible, the vocals we're just horrible. But I defended him until, he parted the 2nd time from JOURNEY....Then I have to suck it up and move on...my Idol is done....but I still believe he can still make great songs...and thats what I'm still waiting...not him singing...but his composition......great, a gifted songwriter.....

And I applaud you for your willingness to learn English as a third language. Good work!

[Michigan Girl]

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October 1986, watch JOURNEY live at the PHILADELPHIA Spectrum...Steve Perry lost his legacy vocally....he sounded terrible, the vocals we're just horrible. But I defended him until, he parted the 2nd time from JOURNEY....Then I have to suck it up and move on...my Idol is done....but I still believe he can still make great songs...and thats what I'm still waiting...not him singing...but his composition......great, a gifted songwriter.....

Yeah and Ray Charles is dead (God rest his soul), but he is still considered a legend!!!!???

Maybe you should review the question??? Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about anymore????
I'm confused?????

[bru87tr]

of course the sound of the "voice"

also, NS guitar. he really sounds more like journey from escape and frontiers on this new one. his solos mean something now instead of all sounding the same.

[STORY_TELLER]

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October 1986, watch JOURNEY live at the PHILADELPHIA Spectrum...Steve Perry lost his legacy vocally....he sounded terrible, the vocals we're just horrible. But I defended him until, he parted the 2nd time from JOURNEY....Then I have to suck it up and move on...my Idol is done....but I still believe he can still make great songs...and thats what I'm still waiting...not him singing...but his composition......great, a gifted songwriter.....

Give it a rest agenda boy. As good as I think Arnel is, the fact remains that he hasn't toured this catalogue. Out of his own mouth, during his third performance, his voice locked up on him. Even Kevin Shirley thinks he's "raw" and fears for him on this tour.

Do you have a list of the tour schedule Journey did with Perry in their heyday? It will make you gag. Consecutive night gigs touring those songs and the guy trying his best to sing them to perfection? No wonder he burnt out. He was pushed too hard. You can tout Arnel all you want, but until he's walked half a mile in Perry's touring shoes, you can't compare them.

And as for your other post? Arnel's great but does not have Perry's heyday range. Not hardly. Go listen to "Lay it Down" off Escape and tell me Arnel can sing that. There's a reason Dean is singing Mother Father on tour son.

[jrnyjunky]

Great post, Story Teller. I agree with everything you said, and want to take it a step further. For me, it was the delivery of the songs by Steve Perry that makes them stand head & shoulders above the others. I guess it's the whole "he bleeds a little each time he sings" thing that Friga was talking about. He made us FEEL the passion of the music, whether it was a love song like 'Faithfully' or a pop tune like 'Be Good to Yourself'. IDK, I guess I'm saying with Perry singing, it wasn't just a song, but an emotional experience.

Truthfully, I didn't really get this way back in the 80's. It wasn't until I rediscovered Journey a few years ago that I came to this realization. I simply appreciate his gift so much. I hope he sees fit to share it with us again. [/quote]

DonnaPlease, you said everything I was thinking. Thats it exactly. And you can see the emotion on his face as he is singing.

[Centaure]

Yeah, Perry is a very emotional singer... I think that is the main flaw of Arnel Pineda on Revelation. He sings obviously very well with different styles for each songs, but the emotion is lacking. More obvious on the rerecorded songs (even the Augeri one).

[Glenn]

Just like a sports team, a winning formula is not just one person or star, but a sum of it's parts.
SP was one of those parts... the answer is not quite that simple.

exactly. the current incarnation of journey can seek to create that legacy sound, but at this attempt thay have fallen short. the overall sound might indeed be there, but the lyrical content is abysmal.

Word!

[amaron]

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October 1986, watch JOURNEY live at the PHILADELPHIA Spectrum...Steve Perry lost his legacy vocally....he sounded terrible, the vocals we're just horrible. But I defended him until, he parted the 2nd time from JOURNEY....Then I have to suck it up and move on...my Idol is done....but I still believe he can still make great songs...and thats what I'm still waiting...not him singing...but his composition......great, a gifted songwriter.....

Give it a rest agenda boy. As good as I think Arnel is, the fact remains that he hasn't toured this catalogue. Out of his own mouth, during his third performance, his voice locked up on him. Even Kevin Shirley thinks he's "raw" and fears for him on this tour.

Do you have a list of the tour schedule Journey did with Perry in their heyday? It will make you gag. Consecutive night gigs touring those songs and the guy trying his best to sing them to perfection? No wonder he burnt out. He was pushed too hard. You can tout Arnel all you want, but until he's walked half a mile in Perry's touring shoes, you can't compare them.

And as for your other post? Arnel's great but does not have Perry's heyday range. Not hardly. Go listen to "Lay it Down" off Escape and tell me Arnel can sing that. There's a reason Dean is singing Mother Father on tour son.

This catalog ruins singers.

Just ask Steve Perry and Steve Augeri.

[bru87tr]

Yeah, Perry is a very emotional singer... I think that is the main flaw of Arnel Pineda on Revelation. He sings obviously very well with different styles for each songs, but the emotion is lacking. More obvious on the rerecorded songs (even the Augeri one).

I agree he was lack on the remakes. but the originals are great and he sings with plenty of feeling.

if you watch the concert dvd and watch and listen to him sing AATY and dont get chills then you are truly out of touch with music.

he delivers big time and personally blows me away. on the level of SP ? no, he is a legend. but arnel does enough and def sings with alot of emotion to give me chills. he sings the new songs with alot of emotion. I guess I am hearing and seeing something different than you.

[Enigma869]

Get the fuck out of here. Dismissing Perry's vocal capabilities is akin to dissing Elton John's cocksucking ability. Beat it, dick lips.

Classic stuff, dude! I definietly agree that ANYONE dismissing Perry's vocal abilities (including my buddy JoePa) needs their head examined!


John from Boston

[Rick]

Get the fuck out of here. Dismissing Perry's vocal capabilities is akin to dissing Elton John's cocksucking ability. Beat it, dick lips.

Classic stuff, dude! I definietly agree that ANYONE dismissing Perry's vocal abilities (including my buddy JoePa) needs their head examined!


John from Boston

At least.

[Centaure]

Yeah, Perry is a very emotional singer... I think that is the main flaw of Arnel Pineda on Revelation. He sings obviously very well with different styles for each songs, but the emotion is lacking. More obvious on the rerecorded songs (even the Augeri one).

I agree he was lack on the remakes. but the originals are great and he sings with plenty of feeling.

if you watch the concert dvd and watch and listen to him sing AATY and dont get chills then you are truly out of touch with music.

he delivers big time and personally blows me away. on the level of SP ? no, he is a legend. but arnel does enough and def sings with alot of emotion to give me chills. he sings the new songs with alot of emotion. I guess I am hearing and seeing something different than you.

Well, there is nothing more subjective than the emotion. I am not saying that Arnel doesn't have any emotion at all. It's just that he seems more to care about sounding good than to give emotion to the song. But that is understandable, the guy is new to the band, it is his first recording and had to learn the songs really quick. He must take care to leave his accent out.

Maybe it is because I have his solo album and Zoo's album that I think that he is not at the top of his game... I am sure that he will be better on the future albums.

[Arkansas]

Legacy sound = $$$$$$$
Pure and simple. The guys are afraid their s#it won't sell unless is sounds early 80s.
Legacy doesn't necessarily mean any one thing...only the sounds they had when they sold the most.
And this probably isn't just the band saying this. It's management and whoever their current money people are.


later~

[EightyRock]

Cain used to say that Perry could weave a melody through any lyrics and make them sound great.

The third part of the Journey songwriting equation of Schon, Cain and Perry is gone. You can't get the "legacy" sound without it, nomatter how many tenor voices you hire. It's a chemistry thing between three people that can't be duplicated.

[donnaplease]

Cain used to say that Perry could weave a melody through any lyrics and make them sound great.

The third part of the Journey songwriting equation of Schon, Cain and Perry is gone. You can't get the "legacy" sound without it, nomatter how many tenor voices you hire. It's a chemistry thing between three people that can't be duplicated.

True effin' dat!

[Centaure]

Cain used to say that Perry could weave a melody through any lyrics and make them sound great.

The third part of the Journey songwriting equation of Schon, Cain and Perry is gone. You can't get the "legacy" sound without it, nomatter how many tenor voices you hire. It's a chemistry thing between three people that can't be duplicated.

Okay, but what about Infinity, Evolution and Departure ?

[mistiejourney]

What does legacy sound really mean to you guys anyway? Especially when it comes to Journey? I know you may think there is an obvious answer to this question, but maybe not.

For me, it was the truth and passion behind the songs. For me, that is gone and has been gone. These new songs are ok, but very empty (maybe with a couple exceptions). They no longer sound genuine and passionate.

I truly think Steve Perry’s desire/passion/ego/whatever really pushed this band to create things at a higher level. At least that’s what it seems like. And we believed the things Steve sang about. Does anyone really associate any of the new stuff with anything the band has “felt”? Neal and Jon have truly gotten lazy. They hear a hook or hear something that is radio friendly and think wow, we still got it. But there is very little in the last 10 years that has a timeless feel. The best new song, After All These Years, sounded great the first time we heard it (When You Love a Woman) and even the second time we heard it (All the Way). But by the third time…

This new album is ok, but has not one great spot. They should have easily spent another 6 months or so writing something truly great. What was the hurry anyway? Maybe the 4 song deal would have been better. Pick 4 of the best songs, then work on creating something truly great.

Between Infinity and TBF, they never tried to sound like “Journey”. They whole thing was to raise the bar each time. Not copy some formula. To me, that was the legacy and that is gone.

Damn, I think you hit it on the head! Nice music, good voice, good songs...but not even the "heart" that I heard on "Arrival". No dis to Arnel, the songs are what they are and he does his job well.

Somethin's missing this time. You put your finger on it.

[STORY_TELLER]

Cain used to say that Perry could weave a melody through any lyrics and make them sound great.

The third part of the Journey songwriting equation of Schon, Cain and Perry is gone. You can't get the "legacy" sound without it, nomatter how many tenor voices you hire. It's a chemistry thing between three people that can't be duplicated.

Okay, but what about Infinity, Evolution and Departure ?

Perry, Schon and Rolie. Same equation. Perry was the focal point who honed their talents into crafting the songs. Perfect example: Go listen to the demos of Feeling That Way and Anytime. Those tunes were originally penned by Rolie and were a mess. Perry stepped in and made a melodic "change for the better".

[Sarah]

the overall sound might indeed be there, but the lyrical content is abysmal.

Yeah I've said this before too. Jon and Neal need another songwriter to complete the trio.

[ProgRocker53]

the overall sound might indeed be there, but the lyrical content is abysmal.

Yeah I've said this before too. Jon and Neal need another songwriter to complete the trio.

Boot Ross and bring in Jack Blades or Kip Winger.

An additional vocalist as well as a proven songwriting commodity, not to mention very good bass players.

[mistiejourney]

the overall sound might indeed be there, but the lyrical content is abysmal.

Yeah I've said this before too. Jon and Neal need another songwriter to complete the trio.

Boot Ross and bring in Jack Blades or Kip Winger.

An additional vocalist as well as a proven songwriting commodity, not to mention very good bass players.

Hell, they bring in Kip Winger and I'LL be front row!

[Deb]

one word Perry

DITTO!!!

Have to go with two words......

Perry and Schon.

[Greg]

I think you guys are definitely getting at what my question was all about. Yes, most will say it's Steve Perry..when it comes down to it, his voice is what truly made Journey's "legacy" sound. And, like what was mentioned earlier, Neal and Jon have pretty much said the same thing without naming names.

But I think some of you guys also get that it wasn't just Perry's voice. It was his song writing contributions that took Journey to the next level. And then we can argue that Cain's song writing abilities also was the missing piece as well.

Do you guys agree that Neal and Jon desperately needs a third song writer in the band? Despite what you may think about Revelation? If so, I've heard Jack Blades (which would be cool) and Kip Winger (would be kind of weird.) Who else, other than Perry, could possibly "complete" the band and truly continue the legacy?

[Deb]

If so, I've heard Jack Blades (which would be cool)

Nope. Would rather see him working with Eric Martin again........they were a great fit in TMG!