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Postby annie89509 » Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:58 am

Matthew wrote:
frfksakes wrote:
Matthew wrote:
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lmao.... here you are comparing Arnel, who hasn't been in the band 7 months... and yer comparing him to Perry, who had been in the band for 7 albums and 7 YEARS by then...

When Perry 1st joined Journey.. he too was "thin and whiney".... but he got vocal training, and he got better didn't he...

Give Arnel 7 YEARS and 7 albums... then the comparisons can be considered.

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Ah...my old nemesis Slucero.

Good point regarding the criticisms about Perry's voice when he first joined the band.



hmm. i guess it's a matter of taste, but from the boots I have, Perry was pretty great right out of the gate. Even from those first few shows where they were introducing him to their fans...

& most of those tv shows - Midnight Special, Soundstage ,,, were within his first year, weren't they?

Not saying he was always perfect, but he was pretty great, to me.



And to me. All I meant was that hs voice was often criticized in the early days. Lest we forget that his nickname in the UK press was "The Duck"....

Or how about this classic: "sounds like a baby seal being clubbed to death." :shock: Steve says he's only read 3 reviews in his life. I can totally see that was the clincher piece. :lol:
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Postby Matthew » Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:37 am

annie89509 wrote:Or how about this classic: "sounds like a baby seal being clubbed to death." :shock:




:lol: I'd forgotten that one Annie. The best yet....
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Postby frfksakes » Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:45 am

annie89509 wrote:
Matthew wrote:
frfksakes wrote:
Matthew wrote:
slucero wrote:
lmao.... here you are comparing Arnel, who hasn't been in the band 7 months... and yer comparing him to Perry, who had been in the band for 7 albums and 7 YEARS by then...

When Perry 1st joined Journey.. he too was "thin and whiney".... but he got vocal training, and he got better didn't he...

Give Arnel 7 YEARS and 7 albums... then the comparisons can be considered.

:roll:


Ah...my old nemesis Slucero.

Good point regarding the criticisms about Perry's voice when he first joined the band.



hmm. i guess it's a matter of taste, but from the boots I have, Perry was pretty great right out of the gate. Even from those first few shows where they were introducing him to their fans...

& most of those tv shows - Midnight Special, Soundstage ,,, were within his first year, weren't they?

Not saying he was always perfect, but he was pretty great, to me.



And to me. All I meant was that hs voice was often criticized in the early days. Lest we forget that his nickname in the UK press was "The Duck"....

Or how about this classic: "sounds like a baby seal being clubbed to death." :shock: Steve says he's only read 3 reviews in his life. I can totally see that was the clincher piece. :lol:


Lol, yeah I remember that one... :roll: :lol:
And, Matthew, my bad.
I should have made it clearer that I was responding to slucero's "When Perry 1st joined Journey.. he too was "thin and whiney".... but he got vocal training, and he got better didn't he..."
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:44 am

Keepers:
1. "Never Walk Away"
3. "Change For The Better"
7. "Where Did I Lose Your Love"
8. "What I Needed"
9. "What It Takes To Win"

Average:
2. "Like A Sunshower"
10. "Turn Down The World Tonight"
4. "Wildest Dream"

Skip:
5. "Faith In The Heartland" (prefer the original)
6. "After All These Years"
11. "The Journey (Revelation)" (major disappointment)
12. "Let It Take You Back"
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Postby musicfan17 » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:55 am

First let me say hey all! …I’m a long time reader/lurker here at MR forums. I’m 40 years old and have followed Journey since the Infinity album came out. My older brother was a big Journey fan, so I have to thank him for turning me onto what is probably one of my three favorite bands. I’ve seen all the various incarnations of Journey live from the Departure era through JSS. I won’t get into my opinions of all that in this post, rather here are my thoughts on the newest Journey album. I’ve given the CD at least a dozen solid listens now. Here are my opinions.
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Never Walk Away – I agree that it has the same beat and chord progressions as BGTY…it’s still a cool Journey tune. BGTY was never one of my favorites as far as Journey tunes go…good but not great. So I actually like NWA better than BGTY. A good live tune and a good tune to introduce Arnel with. 8.5/10

Like A Sunshower – Now here is where I appear to be in the minority among MR reviewers. I personally think this is one of the best and strongest tunes on the CD. The sound and melody remind me strongly of something from Evolution or Departure(ala Stay Awhile etc.), and I would even compare this to the retro sounding Easy To Fall from the TBF CD. Neal’s guitar riffs and solo are the classic sound that you’ve heard so little of since the Infinity/Evolution/Departure era. Neal’s guitar can have such a great voice and tone and solos like this are too few in his playing in recent years. Nice Job Neal! So to me this is a somewhat sappy love song with a very “Vintage Journey” sound. Arnel sounds like a mix of Augeri and vintage Perry here IMO. His vocal delivery is spot on here.big props to Arnel. One of my favorite songs on the CD. 9/10

Change For The Better – A nice classic sounding intro by Neal. Then it kicks in and has a great melodic feel to it. A positive driving sound, well written lyrics and a feel reminiscent of Escape in places makes this the strongest rocker on the disc. Jon’s choice of keyboard sound takes a half point away from the overall rating on this one. Arnel’s vocals sound great here and his voice is strong and clear albeit a few hints of SA. Should be a great live tune… love it. Journey is back! Here’s proof. 8.75/10

Wildest Dreams – Someone else said this and I agree that it sounds like a Jack Blades/Dam Yankees tune with a Journey Chorus. Not a bad tune overall. Goes over decent live on the DVD and is something a bit different feel, almost reminds me of Dead or Alive in a few spots. Arnel sounds like Arnel here and not like SP or SA. Not a bad thing, just my observation. I’m not keen about the digitized vocals in the middle. A decent tune for a rocker. 7/10
Faith In The Heartland – Hmmm…a little better production, but like many others, I really prefer the Steve Augeri version off Generations to this one. It seems watered down and has less “drive” to it. Journey had some gems during the Augeri era and FITH was one of them. The song is good, just not as good as the original. 7.5/10

After All These Years – When I first heard this tune on the radio, I was blown away. It reminded me of The Search Is Over by Survivor, and what an amazing ballad! This will be a Journey classic and might be there first hit since When You Love A Woman. Arnel’s vocals are stellar (albeit reminiscent of Jimi Jamison with a bit of Augeri thrown in) and he owns this tune from start to finish. This is new Journey…without Steve Perry… and that’s fine by me. The melody and Arnel’s vocals combined with Neal’s solo gave me goose bumps. Very powerful stuff! Should be a radio hit. 10/10
Where Did I Lose Your Love – Arnel does some nice Perryisms on this tune. This sounds like it could have been a TBF tune or something sung by Augeri on Arrival. Good riffs, melody and overall performances by everyone. Neal’s solo sounds a bit like ROR era, and a bit popish, but it’s a solid mid-tempo ROR sounding tune. Thing is…ROR was in my opinion the weakest Perry era Journey album and this tune just doesn’t move me. It’s good, it’s average…meh. Maybe it will grow on me. 7/10

What I Needed – Now we’re talking. This is an example of what I’d like to see more of from the new line-up. Anybody besides me have Mother/Father come to mind. Great delivery from Arnel on this tune and again like on Sunshower , Neal uses a nice blend of soaring notes and fast runs in his solo. His playing hasn’t been this good in the studio in twenty years. A powerful and haunting rocker/ballad. The only negative about this tune is Arnel's high note crooning at about 4:45-4:48. He has a tendency live and on this particular song to over –sing, and this is one of those times. Makes an otherwise stellar tune just a half step off. 9.5/10

What It Takes To Win – Cheesy. Is there going to be another Rocky movie? The only new song I’m not impressed with. I guess the lyrics might be deemed inspring, but the music lacks backbone and IMO the lyrics are totally cheesy. Arnel does a decent job with what he’s given, but honestly this tune sounds wimpy. It would have fit right in with some of the weakly written tunes from ROR. “There’s no I in Team” …Are you kidding me? Did Journey actually record a tune with that corny, cheesball line as a lyric? Even Neal’s solo seems mailed in on this one. I do like the different guitar sound though. The worst tune with lyrics on Revelations. Maybe they can market it for some sports movie or Matt & Trey can use it in a silly sports montage in their next South Park Movie. 5/10

Turn Down The World – (They should have shortened the title to this song) O.K. Another ballad…but honestly, I can see my girlfriend and I cuddling up on the couch to this tune. A Journey ballad where Arnel croons and delivers a good vocal performance, and Neal adds a soaring and perfectly executed guitar solo. Could be a top 40 hit with the right airplay. Lots of sappy sentimental adults 40 and over will dig this tune. I do. Haha! 8.25/10

Journey Revelation – Sounds like something off Late Night or I on U only uninspired. I’ve listened to it four times and it sounds like Neal’s solo stuff (which I have all of) only watered down. I’ll just pretend this is like a bonus track and ignore it.6/10

I intersted in hearing the European bonus track.

Other notes: production is overall good, but not great because there are ticks and places where the vocal mix and mix in general are….”odd”. Arnel seems to be the real deal folks, but I think he is more of a crooner at times than is necesary. Maybe he needs to watch some early Augeri footage. Arnel…you don’t have to hold the end of every note or over sing. You’ve got a very powerful, clear voice. Relax man.
The band sounds good on the new tracks with solid drumming and the best writing in a few years. Neal’s playing has not been this good in a long, long time. Neal…doesn’t need to shred all the time to impress us. Neal is one of the most talented guitarists I’ve ever heard and has a command over his melodic delivery like few others. Good to have him back in form.
Overall I’m very excited about this new album. One totally cheese ball tune and a forgettable instrumental, otherwise I give it 8 /10. Arnel gets big props for giving us the Journey voice for a bit longer. I liked Augeri until his voice went, and while I was a big fan of JSS work…I never liked him live with the band and thought he was not the right choice for Journey. Again… just my opinion. I reserved my judgment on Arnel until I heard this new material & DVD. He’s the real deal folks. I have to say that after the shenanigans Journey has pulled over the last few years they lost me as a fan. Guess what? Revelation has brought me back.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:20 am

I’m surprised at the distinct lack of love towards the instrumental.
It’s very reminiscent of ‘The Theme’ off Late Nite, and some of the better focused tracks off IonU.
What were you guys expecting?
Neal’s Journey instrumentals were never A-sides, they were chocolate pillow mints for your added listening pleasure.

Aside from its searing melodic intensity, the best thing about the instrumental is how it re-places Journey's focal point back on Neal.
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Postby finalfight » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:22 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Aside from its searing melodic intensity, the best thing about the instrumental is how it re-places Journey's focal point back on Neal.


That's a great way of looking at it.
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Postby Matthew » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:29 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Aside from its searing melodic intensity, the best thing about the instrumental is how it re-places Journey's focal point back on Neal.



But the fact that the focal point needs re-placing at the end does say something about the quality of his work throughout the album, doesn't it? Neal's great as always but this record is a bit low on memorable solos and riffs - and I can't think of one particularly show-stealing moment until the final track.
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:53 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I’m surprised at the distinct lack of love towards the instrumental.
It’s very reminiscent of ‘The Theme’ off Late Nite, and some of the better focused tracks off IonU.
What were you guys expecting?
Neal’s Journey instrumentals were never A-sides, they were chocolate pillow mints for your added listening pleasure.

Aside from its searing melodic intensity, the best thing about the instrumental is how it re-places Journey's focal point back on Neal.


My problem with it, aside from the African-like intro, which I don't like at all, is that it sounds more like something from a Neal solo album than something Journey would do. I'm all for doing something different but it just lacks the Journey-ish sound.
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Postby Rick » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:54 am

conversationpc wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:I’m surprised at the distinct lack of love towards the instrumental.
It’s very reminiscent of ‘The Theme’ off Late Nite, and some of the better focused tracks off IonU.
What were you guys expecting?
Neal’s Journey instrumentals were never A-sides, they were chocolate pillow mints for your added listening pleasure.

Aside from its searing melodic intensity, the best thing about the instrumental is how it re-places Journey's focal point back on Neal.


My problem with it, aside from the African-like intro, which I don't like at all, is that it sounds more like something from a Neal solo album than something Journey would do. I'm all for doing something different but it just lacks the Journey-ish sound.


Racist. :lol: ;)
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:55 am

Matthew wrote:But the fact that the focal point needs re-placing at the end does say something about the quality of his work throughout the album, doesn't it?


No. His playing on "Generations", as it is on "Revelations", was good also but there's not much memorable there. Memorability isn't something that measures whether or not the quality is good or bad.
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Postby Carlitto H@kk » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:58 am

conversationpc wrote:My problem with it, aside from the African-like intro, which I don't like at all, is that it sounds more like something from a Neal solo album than something Journey would do. I'm all for doing something different but it just lacks the Journey-ish sound.


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It's INDIAN!!! Read the Liner Notes, Dave :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you listen close, it kinda sounds what I would
imagine Perry sounding like while being
burned at the stake :lol:

Think Neal is trying to tell us anything??? :lol: :twisted:
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:00 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:It's INDIAN!!! Read the Liner Notes, Dave :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you listen close, it kinda sounds what I would
imagine Perry sounding like while being
burned at the stake :lol:

Think Neal is trying to tell us anything??? :lol: :twisted:


I don't have the album yet, so how would I know that. It sounds like African-style drums and background music to me, similar to "Colors of the Spirit" from TBF, which I also hated.
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:01 am

Rick wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:I’m surprised at the distinct lack of love towards the instrumental.
It’s very reminiscent of ‘The Theme’ off Late Nite, and some of the better focused tracks off IonU.
What were you guys expecting?
Neal’s Journey instrumentals were never A-sides, they were chocolate pillow mints for your added listening pleasure.

Aside from its searing melodic intensity, the best thing about the instrumental is how it re-places Journey's focal point back on Neal.


My problem with it, aside from the African-like intro, which I don't like at all, is that it sounds more like something from a Neal solo album than something Journey would do. I'm all for doing something different but it just lacks the Journey-ish sound.


Racist. :lol: ;)


Yeah, well I'm pretty sure that's what TNC thinks of me anyway, so there you go. :lol:
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Postby yulog » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:55 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I’m surprised at the distinct lack of love towards the instrumental.
It’s very reminiscent of ‘The Theme’ off Late Nite, and some of the better focused tracks off IonU.
What were you guys expecting?
Neal’s Journey instrumentals were never A-sides, they were chocolate pillow mints for your added listening pleasure.

Aside from its searing melodic intensity, the best thing about the instrumental is how it re-places Journey's focal point back on Neal.



I love the instrumental its the only "in your face" guitar riff on the whole cd.
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Postby Matthew » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:22 pm

conversationpc wrote: Memorability isn't something that measures whether or not the quality is good or bad.


Sure...something can be memorably bad....but it has to really stink to make an impression. Things that are so-so are usually pretty forgettable though don't you think?
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Postby musicfan17 » Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:13 am

The instrumental (revelation) is lame watered down and uninspired. After all the great solo projects Neal has done I expected way more and was sadly dissapointed. That and the totally cheeseball them to Rocky 12 "What It Takes To Win" are the only low spots on the new album for me.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:52 pm

conversationpc wrote:My problem with it, aside from the African-like intro, which I don't like at all, is that it sounds more like something from a Neal solo album than something Journey would do. I'm all for doing something different but it just lacks the Journey-ish sound.


Fair enough, but the last Journey instrumental was decades ago.
I don't see it so much as a break from the Journey sound of "departure" or "majestic", I just think it reflects where Neal's at musically.
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Postby NealIsGod » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:55 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
conversationpc wrote:My problem with it, aside from the African-like intro, which I don't like at all, is that it sounds more like something from a Neal solo album than something Journey would do. I'm all for doing something different but it just lacks the Journey-ish sound.


Fair enough, but the last Journey instrumental was decades ago.
I don't see it so much as a break from the Journey sound of "departure" or "majestic", I just think it reflects where Neal's at musically.


Doesn't do anything for me, and you know I wanted to like it.
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Postby MrsPerry » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:46 am

I just motored out to walmart and bought this. Neal can put it towards alimony.

anywho.....

my two favorites off the 'new' disc....

Turn down the world tonight & journey - the revalation..... Neal is really up to snuff here...

the re records were tolerable, but prolly something i wont spin alot.

haven't had a chance to watch the DVD yet. my one gripe, the production and the sound could be crisper...sounded a bit stale, needed to be fuller and cleaner. All in all... I give it a 7. :)
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Postby kgdjpubs » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:30 am

musicfan17 wrote:What It Takes To Win – Cheesy. Is there going to be another Rocky movie? The only new song I’m not impressed with. I guess the lyrics might be deemed inspring, but the music lacks backbone and IMO the lyrics are totally cheesy. Arnel does a decent job with what he’s given, but honestly this tune sounds wimpy. It would have fit right in with some of the weakly written tunes from ROR. “There’s no I in Team” …Are you kidding me? Did Journey actually record a tune with that corny, cheesball line as a lyric? Even Neal’s solo seems mailed in on this one. I do like the different guitar sound though. The worst tune with lyrics on Revelations. Maybe they can market it for some sports movie or Matt & Trey can use it in a silly sports montage in their next South Park Movie. 5/10


Well, at least I'm not the only one. To me, it is a nice idea that simply sounds like they were trying too hard. The uplifting sports anthem is one of the hardest songs to write as it either comes together really quickly without thinking...or it's a labor to finish. If it's the 2nd option, it's hard to make that sound spontaneous. I just don't hear any life in the song, and that's a bad thing.

That being said, if they can get the NFL to adopt the song, it MIGHT have a chance.
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Postby kgdjpubs » Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:46 am

everyone else has their view, here's mine...

Never Walk Away...yes, it's basically a mixture of Be Good to Yourself/It's Never Too Late/Believe in Me thrown in a blender, but unlike a lot of stuff the band has done, it sounds like Journey--even to the casual listener. Solid tune. Not the best, not the worst, but a good live song and perfect to start an album with. Any doubts of Arnel being able to front the band are dispelled quickly--he sounds really good. 8.75/10

Like a Sunshower....throwback to Rolie-era Journey, with the feel of Stay Awhile. The flow is pretty effortless, which is a good thing. Arnel once again impresses with some laid-back vocals that fit the song very well. The only issue I have is the ending, which feels like they ran out of ideas, so let's just put something on quickly and we'll fix it later....except they didn't. Too bad because the rest of the song was one of the strongest they have done in a while. 9.5/10 knocked down to 8.5/10 because of the ending.

Change for the Better....best correlation to earlier songs--Escape. Starts off with a very Sammy Hagar-era Van Halen riff, then a whole bunch of time changes as the song builds and twists its way around building to a monster chorus. Without the perfect arrangement, this song could be a mess (like a lot of the material on Red 13), but I think they have it nailed here. This should be a monster live. Sounds like Journey while still pushing the envelope a bit. 8/10

Wildest Dream...hard-driving uptempo rocker that could have come from the Arrival sessions. Not as tight as some of the other songs, and the chorus really needs a small retro-fit for some more impact, but this was born to be played live, and comes off much better in that environment than in the studio. Arnel's vocals are a lot more edgy here, and sound fine for the song, but the chameleon effect of his voice may not be a good thing as it dilutes his vocal identity. Nice ending as the band goes off into a hard rock jamming session. Only thing I hate are the effects on the vocal during the bridge. Never actually heard a song where this helps. Fortunately, the live version is straight-up singing without effects. 7/10 studio, but the live version's much better.

Faith in the Heartland...sounds like, ahh forget it! There will be endless debates as to whether this was needed, and whether it is better, worse or just different. I'll count myself in the 3rd category. The only major difference I hear is Kevin Shirley tightening up the instrumental part towards the end of the song. Left to their own devices (see Red 13), Journey's instrumental sections tend to wander around aimlessly, where they could pack a strong punch if tightened up a bit. Otherwise, strong song the 1st time around and nothing has changed. At least some people will get to hear it this time. 8/10

After All These Years...for many people, their first introduction to Arnel, the vocalist. To put it mildly, he owns this song and actually manages to perform it live even better. Probably Journey's best love ballad in a long time. I always thought When You Love a Woman was way too overblown sappy in the Dianne Warren "When I See You Smile" kind of way, and All the Way simply too contrived and didn't match the rest of the songwriting quality on Arrival. Some of the other ballads were really good, but none were in the Open Arms/Faithfully romantic wedding dance mode that has a chance of surviving on the radio. AATY sounds distinctly Journey and has a chance of becoming a monster hit if given half a chance. Sappy? yes, but I love the way it builds slowly before unleashing that monster chorus at the end, and the guitar melody is perfect. 9.5/10

Where Did I Lose Your Love....definitely harkening back to the pop Raised on Radio sound with an intro that sounds like Phil Collins' Easy Love is about to start up. Arnel delivers a very smooth vocal to guide the song to a nice chorus. Very good, but it's missing that little bit to send it over the top though. 7.5/10

What I Needed....Mother, Father for the 21st Century with a more subdued chorus. Quite possibly Arnel's best vocal on the cd, and he sounds downright amazing here and very soulful. You hear bits and pieces of this through, but he's putting it all on the line here, and it works. Lyrically, the strongest song on the cd, and there is a depth to this that will make it stand out. Journey's taking some chances here, but they usually do about one song like this on every cd (Livin To Do, The Time--although messy--, Walking Away from the Edge, Out of Harms Way). This gives the cd a bit of depth as opposed to "just another ballad". Nicely done. 9.7/10

What It Takes To Win....from the best--to the worst. An attempt at the Rocky-esque uplifting sports anthem that just sounds like they were trying too hard and missed the mark. Great performances by the band, but some very questionable lyric choices, and the energy in the song has simply had a hovercraft taken to it--which is NOT what you want for a song like this. Well, the idea was good.... 5/10

Turn Down the World Tonight....very movie/Broadway-like with a gentle piano melody and Arnel effortlessly gliding over the lyrics. A little different in style, but not a bad way to end, and the music fits the song extremely well. 8/10

The Journey (Revelation)...it's fine, but it takes a while to get going with the extended intro. Nothing great, nothing bad, but I'll probably skip it most of the time. Probably would have been more effective to cut the intro and blend it into the end of Turn... 7/10

Let It Take You Back....opening guitar riff is very reminiscent of Hardline's I'll Be There, which is a very underappreciated song. This is kinda Every Generation, part 2, but with a better singer and better melody. I'm not surprised they left if off to become the bonus track however. There's a good song in here somewhere however. Not the greatest, but enjoyable enough, and definitely better than WITTW. 6.5/10

...and it's it. Unlike Red 13 and Generations, this is a very cohesive effort that sounds like Journey. They are still a force to be reckoned with, but really need a producer to keep the band on the same page--otherwise you get the Generations effect of half a Journey album and half of something else with everyone going off in different directions. Kudos to Kevin Shirley for this one. Arnel's still a little raw, but a diamond in the rough, and will only improve as he becomes more comfortable and the band starts writing songs to suit his strengths.

As far as the production goes, I'd still live to have the guitars, bass and drums kicked up a little more for that raw edgy live feeling like Generations, but you can hear the money spent on recording the album and it sounds good for what it is. It's a little edgier than Arrival though and not quite as overproduced, so it's an acceptable balance.

As far as songwriting goes, this is probably the best overall of the post-Perry era, and better than Trial By Fire, despite some wonderful lyrics on that album. Journey is still dangerous when they are writing as a band and they sound very focused here. A little more lyrical depth like Trial By Fire and Red 13 would be nice, but then again, this IS Journey...so maybe that is asking too much. Sing-along, hook-laden songs are their forte, and they do it well, and still manage to include one or two lyrically-deeper songs on each cd to make it hold together and have some staying power. 10 songs is also good length for an album, as it is really hard to get 14 songs that are all in that really high-quality range without some falloff. Anyways, after an hour, most albums tend to drag a bit, so it's better just to pick the absolute best and let it be. The rock-to-ballad ratio is also about right, and some of the slower songs (Sunshower, What I Needed) aren't the slow plodding ballads you might expect them to be. Despite the guitars a little down in thie mix, it still sounds like a Journey rock album.

Bottom line...a welcome return to form after the wildly inconsistent Generations, the good but badly in need of a producer Red 13, and the great but too long Arrival. Now, let's see if WalMart can keep this thing going...
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Postby edcha » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:14 am

:) I am a new Journey follower. I used to be a mellow-music-kind-of-man but I'm beginning to get used to Journey music.
Initially, the only reason I got interested to check Journey out was because I have read a lot of fuss about the change in the band's lead singer, Arnel Pineda---i.e., the way he was discovered by Neal Schon in You Tube, his humble background, his hard life, his persistence and hard work, his great vocals, his love of family, and his humility.

Plus I got hooked with the comments both from "old" (translated, original) and new Journey fans---some good, some bad--about the change or choice of lead vocalist. Then my interest got deeper--I downloaded both SP's and AP's you tube clips. Having no long-term emotional attachment to both of them (& journey), I can honestly say that both of them are very good. Both are not perfect, too (no human is). Vocally, both have strenghts; and both have weaknesses--depending on who's listening, and depending on the preference and whims and caprices of the listener. On June 3rd, I bought the new Journey album (Revelation)--and so far, my wife & I are enjoying it.

Then for some big stroke of luck (which I did not expect), I was able to watch Journey concert (for free!)on June 4th at the University of Arkansas Bud Walton Arena (the fifth largest on-campus arena in the U.S., with a capacity of 19,200). It was sponsored by Wal-Mart as part of the company's one-week long annual Stockholders' meeting. This was my first time to attend a "rock" concert! There were two other bands that performed for 15-20 minutes each---the One Republic and the All-American Rejects (sort of hard rock for me!). They're good. Journey performed last--for about one hour & 15 minutes. Most of the people in the audience were standing most of the time during the concert. And the applause was really amazing. And the performance was awesome! and unbelievable! The vocals, instruments,aand sounds were super! I became a fan right there and then!

I just came across your site only recently, and I just registered yesterday. I appreciate your comments--which I believe are generally objective--minus the emotional outbursts of some--which I can understand. Hopefully, I will enjoy knowing Journey more--it's past, present and future--and it's loyal fans.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:16 am

WELCOME, EDCHA and glad you are enjoying!!!! :wink:
This must be the concert RIP missed!!! :cry:
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Postby edcha » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:48 pm

Thanks, Michigan Girl. I appreciate it. The concert was not advertised because it is supposed to be for Wal-Mart employees and stockholders. It was good that Wal-Mart allowed the public. Of course the employees and stockholders got the best seats. Some of my friends who came a little late were not allowed to get in because the arena was full-packed already.
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Re: New to MR Forums...My Revelation review.

Postby larryfromnextdoor » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:00 pm

musicfan17 wrote:First let me say hey all! ….


new MExico??!!! i see you every day.. in the form of DIRT.... ugh....

what else you got?? hot dirt. ugh..
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Re: New to MR Forums...My Revelation review.

Postby Since 78 » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:20 pm

larryfromnextdoor wrote:
musicfan17 wrote:First let me say hey all! ….


new MExico??!!! i see you every day.. in the form of DIRT.... ugh....

what else you got?? hot dirt. ugh..


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Hot Dirt!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: New to MR Forums...My Revelation review.

Postby musicfan17 » Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:04 pm

larryfromnextdoor wrote:
musicfan17 wrote:First let me say hey all! ….


new MExico??!!! i see you every day.. in the form of DIRT.... ugh....

what else you got?? hot dirt. ugh..


You forgot wind...lots of freakin' wind! :lol: New Mexico is a temporary/short term stop for me.
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Postby SusieP » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:27 am

I like Never Walk Away. Even if it sounds like Be Good To Yourself. I was humming it after I'd played the CD for the first time. So I like the catchiness of that tune.
The rest of the album is just 'okay' to me.
I think Turn Down The World Tonight should have been given to Meatloaf to do. It's theatrical. And it reminds me of something else, but I can't quite place it.

And is it just my ears or is the whole production of the album a bit 'muddy?'

Arnel's voice sounds fine to me. He has a good look and a good sound. I have no problem with him.
The Journey [Revelation] sounds like the tape they play in my local Indian Restaurant. It makes me hungry for a plate of Lamb Rogan Josh and rice.:lol:
And the guitar just before the drums come in reminds me of what Brian May used to play while Freddie was off getting changed into his next stage costume. :lol:

So, to sum up, I'm not blown away by any of it, but I don't think it's bad.

I have not played the re-recorded classics. Nor will I.
I wanted new stuff from them and I have it on Disc 1.
I am more than happy with my Perry classics and the Augeri Faith In The Heartland, so I have no requirement for a new version of them.


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Postby Rick » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:33 am

SusieP wrote:I like Never Walk Away. Even if it sounds like Be Good To Yourself. I was humming it after I'd played the CD for the first time. So I like the catchiness of that tune.
The rest of the album is just 'okay' to me.
I think Turn Down The World Tonight should have been given to Meatloaf to do. It's theatrical. And it reminds me of something else, but I can't quite place it.

And is it just my ears or is the whole production of the album a bit 'muddy?'

Arnel's voice sounds fine to me. He has a good look and a good sound. I have no problem with him.
The Journey [Revelation] sounds like the tape they play in my local Indian Restaurant. It makes me hungry for a plate of Lamb Rogan Josh and rice.:lol:
And the guitar just before the drums come in reminds me of what Brian May used to play while Freddie was off getting changed into his next stage costume. :lol:

So, to sum up, I'm not blown away by any of it, but I don't think it's bad.

I have not played the re-recorded classics. Nor will I.
I wanted new stuff from them and I have it on Disc 1.
I am more than happy with my Perry classics and the Augeri Faith In The Heartland, so I have no requirement for a new version of them.


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