And they say W can't speak properly

[JH'sTXfan]

His earpiece must've fallen out. God help us.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm glad you posted this.
The anonymous comments that follow on the YouTube page reveals what truly lies at the heat of a Conservative.

"LOL empty suit magic nigger."

"SOMEBody tell the nigger what to say next!"

"There is not a negro nation on the earth that is not an unquestioned disaster. The Obamantion nitwits are hoping for the same results here. Brilliant!"

"He's a nigger, what do you expect? In during nigger speaking badly BIX NOOD!"

[Lula]

seems to me someone in the audience was speaking out at the same time. there is absolutely no comparison to good ole w here..... thankfully!!! obama is not a robot, he forms his own thoughts, he's bound to have brain farts, nothing like forgetting your lines like our current leader

[The_Noble_Cause]

seems to me someone in the audience was speaking out at the same time. there is absolutely no comparison to good ole w here..... thankfully!!! obama is not a robot, he forms his own thoughts, he's bound to have brain farts, nothing like forgetting your lines like our current leader

Yup.

Lula - remember this classic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W28CQQsH9S8

[Lula]

as for your second one, lol.... if that's all you got you might as well take your toys and go home now.

agree with you tnc, the comments are frightening.

[Lula]

seems to me someone in the audience was speaking out at the same time. there is absolutely no comparison to good ole w here..... thankfully!!! obama is not a robot, he forms his own thoughts, he's bound to have brain farts, nothing like forgetting your lines like our current leader

Yup.

Lula - remember this classic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W28CQQsH9S8

oh the good ole days.... a definition would've worked

[JH'sTXfan]

I'm glad you posted this.
The anonymous comments that follow on the YouTube page reveals what truly lies at the heat of a Conservative.

"LOL empty suit magic nigger."

"SOMEBody tell the nigger what to say next!"

"There is not a negro nation on the earth that is not an unquestioned disaster. The Obamantion nitwits are hoping for the same results here. Brilliant!"

That's quite a broad brush you're painting conservatives with. I think those comments are horrible and hate-filled.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Nice try at deflection from the topic though.

This thread is a deflection.
Not a single one of you apostate whores posted the Senate Select Committee’s finding on WMD intelligence this week, nor Scott McClellan’s book which validates this administration as the criminal organization we know it is.

You're not fooling anyone. Committing the basic human error of stuttering simply provides convenient cover for you to take potshots at a candidate whom you despise for far more pathologically rooted reasons.

[Centaure]

When every words of every speeches that you do is recorded since the last 12 months... it is normal that you could find some gaffes in it.

[Rip Rokken]

I'm glad you posted this.
The anonymous comments that follow on the YouTube page reveals what truly lies at the heat of a Conservative.

"LOL empty suit magic nigger."

"SOMEBody tell the nigger what to say next!"

"There is not a negro nation on the earth that is not an unquestioned disaster. The Obamantion nitwits are hoping for the same results here. Brilliant!"

Dude, you are one of the most deluded and ridiculously partisan people I've encountered for making a dumb-ass statement like that... those are RACIST comments, not conservative. Conservatism does not preach that kinda stuff in any way, shape of form, and neither political party, Republican or Democrat, teaches people to say those kinds of things. However, somewhere, somehow, your head has been filled with a very skewed view of what Conservatism is all about. Learn some real history and quit feeding your brain with divisive propoganda.

I'm not in the least bit partisan, and could care less about the Republican Party. I am however a straight-up conservative who realizes that his views are no longer represented by any politician in Washington, or at least, any running for major office. Conservatism teaches personal responsibility, self-reliance, and the value of individuals above Government. Liberalism claims to represent the people and in theory isn't that bad, but in practice has only been used to grow the government and make people dependent on it. Liberalism in practice by politicians has helped very few people -- it's helped drive wedges between people and create envy, lower standards, and make excuses for bad behavior.

Conservatism to me involves treating ALL people as equal, regardless of race, color or creed, and giving each of them the same chances and opportunities in life. And it also involves expecting the same from every able-bodied person, and not creating special rules and perks for anyone. TRUE equality is what I believe in. What do you believe?

[donnaplease]

seems to me someone in the audience was speaking out at the same time. there is absolutely no comparison to good ole w here..... thankfully!!! obama is not a robot, he forms his own thoughts, he's bound to have brain farts, nothing like forgetting your lines like our current leader

Yup.

Lula - remember this classic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W28CQQsH9S8

oh the good ole days.... a definition would've worked

I like my boy W, but that WAS funny!!!! Classic Will Ferrell material there...

[Ehwmatt]

Dude, you are one of the most deluded and ridiculously partisan people I've encountered for making a dumb-ass statement like that... those are RACIST comments, not conservative. Conservatism does not preach that kinda stuff in any way, shape of form, and neither political party, Republican or Democrat, teaches people to say those kinds of things. However, somewhere, somehow, your head has been filled with a very skewed view of what Conservatism is all about. Learn some real history and quit feeding your brain with divisive propoganda.

I'm not in the least bit partisan, and could care less about the Republican Party. I am however a straight-up conservative who realizes that his views are no longer represented by any politician in Washington, or at least, any running for major office. Conservatism teaches personal responsibility, self-reliance, and the value of individuals above Government. Liberalism claims to represent the people and in theory isn't that bad, but in practice has only been used to grow the government and make people dependent on it. Liberalism in practice by politicians has helped very few people -- it's helped drive wedges between people and create envy, lower standards, and make excuses for bad behavior.

Conservatism to me involves treating ALL people as equal, regardless of race, color or creed, and giving each of them the same chances and opportunities in life. And it also involves expecting the same from every able-bodied person, and not creating special rules and perks for anyone. TRUE equality is what I believe in. What do you believe?

Well said Rip, on all accounts. Well said.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Dude, you are one of the most deluded and ridiculously partisan people I've encountered for making a dumb-ass statement like that... those are RACIST comments, not conservative. Conservatism does not preach that kinda stuff in any way, shape of form, and neither political party, Republican or Democrat, teaches people to say those kinds of things. However, somewhere, somehow, your head has been filled with a very skewed view of what Conservatism is all about. Learn some real history and quit feeding your brain with divisive propoganda.

Ever hear of the Southern Strategy?
How about what LBJ said upon signing the Civil Rights Act ("..we've just delivered the South to the Republican Party for the rest of my life..")
Do I need to refresh your memory of Reagan’s “states rights” comments in Philadelphia, Mississippi?
What about Poppy Bush succesfully exploting racial fears in the embodiment of Willie Horton?

Racists have been central to the Conservative coalition, in addition to Pentecostal armageddon counters and rich old white men, since the 60s.
It's you, not me, who desperately needs the primer in American Politics 101.

[Melissa]

Here's another gem from the great one.

Breathalyzer!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbpWonUz ... re=related


Go Barry Go! Keep talking. The GOP is making commercials as I type.

BTW, you need rest indeed.

I have asthma patients at work all the time, I'm going to call our nebulizers "breathalyzers" tomorrow, see what my co-workers do

[texafana]

Obama is simply too green, give him another 4 years to prove himself worthy.

[Arkansas]

LBJ was a Democrat.
Reagan was a Democrat.
The South have historically been Democrats.
The South were Confederate racists. (?)
Liberals are predominately Democrats.

Some might say "democrats = liberals = racists".
Interesting.


later~

[X factor]

(sigh)
WOW I get tired of all you haters on here trying to paint everyone who lives below the Mason Dixon line as s racist! Racism exists in ALL CORNERS of this nation (ever been to OHIO before? How bout NEW YORK and NEW JERSEY? What was it Sir Charles referred to Philly as? The most "racist city in America"? Do we REALLY even need to bring up BOSTON??? And how many black folks do you think you're gonna find in Nebraska or Iowa? Know why??? I do...)
and to deny that and try to make it out to be worse in this day and age in the southern half is, quite frankly, ignorant.

[Rip Rokken]

Ever hear of the Southern Strategy?
How about what LBJ said upon signing the Civil Rights Act ("..we've just delivered the South to the Republican Party for the rest of my life..")
Do I need to refresh your memory of Reagan’s “states rights” comments in Philadelphia, Mississippi?
What about Poppy Bush succesfully exploting racial fears in the embodiment of Willie Horton?

Racists have been central to the Conservative coalition, in addition to Pentecostal armageddon counters and rich old white men, since the 60s.
It's you, not me, who desperately needs the primer in American Politics 101.

You are listing the sins of politicians, not conservatives, no matter what those people claim to be. Conservatism is an ideal -- a belief system -- not a poltical strategy.

In my opinion the "Southern Strategy" is reprehensible, and another example of people trying to divide our population to secure personal power. It has absolutely nothing to do with the ideal of Conservatism. But on Willie Horton particular, you miss the point, which was to depict Dukkakis as soft on crime, which he was. He supported the furlough program which allowed a guy with a life conviction w/o parole -- a guy who should never have seen the outside of a prison for the rest of his life -- to taste a bit of freedom and commit brutal crimes. He should have been tagged for that!

In all fairness, the same tactic was used in a video against our own former governor, supposed "conservative" Mike Huckabee, for releasing two-time sex offender Wayne DuMond (a convicted rapist) claiming that there wasn't enough evidence to have convicted him, and also indicating that he'd suffered enough has he'd been castrated (which was arguably self-inflicted to start with). So Huckabee lets the guy go, and within a year he goes and rapes and this time kills another girl! Amazing for a guy without balls, huh? You can view that video here: http://www.huckabeefacts.com/

That video helped derail his own campaign, so whining about the Willie Horton ads is hypocritical when the same tactics are used against Republican candidates when politically expedient.

Like I said, I'm no partisan -- I call it fair wherever I see it, and though both were used as political election year ploys, both the Horton and DuMond issues are valid and fair to bring up. Glad they happened... if anything, maybe they will help politicians think twice before letting violent criminals out, at least out of fear of their own political careers if they have no common sense otherwise.

Now back to racism -- I would argue that your camp have demonstrated more true racism by foisting the insulting notion that minorities should depend on government for their solutions, and that they are incapable of making their way in American without the help of politicians. Politicians only use people and groups as pawns to further their own ambitions... that's been proven, and both sides do it. You just need to learn to separate the flaws of human character and behavior from the belief systems those people claim to align with.

[StoneCold]

he's bound to have brain farts,

Those can be stinky too.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You are listing the sins of politicians, not conservatives, no matter what those people claim to be. Conservatism is an ideal -- a belief system -- not a poltical strategy.

It’s whatever you want it to be.
Today it’s a reason to rant about high taxes; tomorrow it’s an excuse for treasury bankrupting wars of aggression.
Such incongruity can only be explained away by modern conservatism having been defined ad-hoc by its capricious leaders, and not by any consecrated stone-engraved principles, as you would have me believe.
The movement is whatever the leadership wants it to be at any given moment.
And there’s never been a higher political priest in the church than Reagan, who ran on a race-baiting platform of “states rights” and apocryphal “welfare queens.”

But on Willie Horton particular, you miss the point, which was to depict Dukkakis as soft on crime, which he was. He supported the furlough program which allowed a guy with a life conviction w/o parole -- a guy who should never have seen the outside of a prison for the rest of his life -- to taste a bit of freedom and commit brutal crimes. He should have been tagged for that!

If you think the GOP’s motives in running that ad were as pure as the driven snow, you are more clueless than I thought.
They even changed his name from William to “Willie” to give him that authentic Step 'n Fetchit subservient house negro sound - and that's not even half of it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

[
This is just another example of the libs inteolerance of people with opposing viewpoints. They can't stand us. We get in the way of their supposed right to power in this country. If you don't think like a liberal then you must be a racist, bigot and homophobe. God forbid that someone would dare expose Barry for the idiot that he is and the first thing that comes to their minds is racism. It's typical of the left.

You sound like Adolf Hitler. Time to turn off the Rush Limbaugh, dude. Seriously.

[Wally_Hatchet]

Well said RR and FF.

A big right-wing thank you to the Dems for nominating Barry.
You have most likely just handed McCain the Presidency.
Can't wait for the Michelle Obama @ church tapes to come out.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Folks can listen to Barry and make up their own minds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3j ... re=related

There it is. The smoking gun. I cannot in good conscience vote for this man any longer.

This is ONE out-of-context paragraph ripped from a 400+ page book.
What does this prove beyond the shameless lengths your party is willing to go to prevent its own November self-destruction?

[Centaure]

When every words of every speeches that you do is recorded since the last 12 months... it is normal that you could find some gaffes in it.

The same can be said of Bush, only with his we're talking 8 years of utterances. Hey, it was just a brain fart works for me.

Yes of course, it was good for both of them.

Almost every anti-Obama here critisize him for superficial reasons. He and McCain have done and will continu to do some errors. To point only Obama's is objectivly unfair. Like thoses folks on Fox News... : http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/ ... le_TV.html

[Rip Rokken]

It’s whatever you want it to be.
Today it’s a reason to rant about high taxes; tomorrow it’s an excuse for treasury bankrupting wars of aggression.
Such incongruity can only be explained away by modern conservatism having been defined ad-hoc by its capricious leaders, and not by any consecrated stone-engraved principles, as you would have me believe.
The movement is whatever the leadership wants it to be at any given moment.

Under that reasoning, I can also define modern liberalism by the actions of the Democratic Party, correct? But I don't -- I separated the original ideal from the tactics of the politicians who lean to the left. Neither did I give the Republican Party any grace for their political tactics. Look, I think you are using "conservatives" as a synonym for Republicans, and that's technically false. I'm not here to defend Republicans a bit, but I would stick up for Ronald Reagan on any day of the week and twice on Sunday -- and this is Sunday, right? But today's Republican Party has moved away from traditional conservatism, which is why they are suffering in the polls.

But on Willie Horton particular, you miss the point, which was to depict Dukkakis as soft on crime, which he was. He supported the furlough program which allowed a guy with a life conviction w/o parole -- a guy who should never have seen the outside of a prison for the rest of his life -- to taste a bit of freedom and commit brutal crimes. He should have been tagged for that!

If you think the GOP’s motives in running that ad were as pure as the driven snow, you are more clueless than I thought.
They even changed his name from William to “Willie” to give him that authentic Step 'n Fetchit subservient house negro sound - and that's not even half of it.

This is TYPICAL... Take my comments out of context to bolster your unstable arguments, and also filter out anything that you can't defend against. I clearly stated that both political parties used the Horton/DuMond ads as election year political "ploys", but at the same time, that the points raised were valid and fair. Did either party have pure motives in delivering those ads? Or course not -- their aim for doing anything is and always will be to win elections. But it doesn't mean the issues they bring up aren't valid -- both were. Crime is a serious issue in America, and an instant hot-button with any thinking citizen, so no doubt they'll use it when they can. Just too bad they won't do enough to address the root causes of crime.

What do you want to do? Do you want to solve problems and come up with solutions, or do you just want to bitch? You can't even debate in the same realm with me because your arguments aren't sincere. You are in the Crossfire realm of "us vs. them" where you are siding with a political party, whereas I'm zoomed out to a higher realm of "us vs. them" where I can see that the problems are actually ALL the people vs. politicians in general. From my vantage point, I can see that neither party has proven to be sincere in resolving any of our major issues, and the country and every working class citizen has suffered as a result. The problem in a nutshell is the disease of people who are willing to achieve something for themselves (power, money, etc.) by manipulating and stepping on countless numbers of others (even our whole country) in order to get it. I wouldn't do that... would you? The whole system is corrupt, man, so zoom out and look at the big picture.

Your second, most glaring flaw, is your apparent inability to accept the problems on your own side of the fence. As I said, you pick and choose the things that support your case and ignore and discard those which hurt it. Just your responses to my posts say it all... You are not sincere in your arguments, because you are unable to recognize your own weaknesses and find a way to move beyond them. That makes you a political hack, no different than a Paul Begala or a Tucker Carlson, or a Hannity or a Colmbs. I only debate with the intention of improving something, not simply to argue. This tit-for-tat stuff has become the order of the day for too long now, and people are only into scoring "zingers" -- when issues come up that they can't respond to, they just deflect it back at the person who made it, like you accuse this thread of doing.

Anyone who reads this thread can tell who's trying to make honest arguments and who is not...

[johnroxx]

Bravo, Rip. You've impressed me, my friend.

And thanks as well to FF for "stupid and smug." A laugh that feels that good can't come along often enough.

;^)

[Rip Rokken]

Bravo, Rip. You've impressed me, my friend.

And thanks as well to FF for "stupid and smug." A laugh that feels that good can't come along often enough.

;^)

And I love your avatar too, man. Reminds me how much I'd love to be beamed up and whisked away to a new frontier to start all over again. Some Class M planet that is untouched by diseased human thinking and attitudes.

The key to ALL the solutions to our problems is that simple ol' Golden Rule. Can be applied to any and every situation. It's not very popular, unfortunately.

[Rip Rokken]

Well of course the left has a big problem with the golden rule. See this thread topic. The title says it all. What's good for the goose (Bush)apparently is not good for Barry, so let's cry racism from the get go. As they say of lawyers, "When the law is on your side, argue the law. When the facts are on your side, argue the facts, when you have neither pound the table."

I think the left's version of the Golden Rule is, "We think you did it first, so now it's our turn, and we have the Constitutional right to free speech, so don't you dare criticize us or we'll sue to shut you up." That's the short version, anyway...

[The_Noble_Cause]

Under that reasoning, I can also define modern liberalism by the actions of the Democratic Party, correct? But I don't -- I separated the original ideal from the tactics of the politicians who lean to the left. Neither did I give the Republican Party any grace for their political tactics. Look, I think you are using "conservatives" as a synonym for Republicans, and that's technically false.

Funny, I don't see any threads in this forum disapproving of the actions of this administration.
When Bush was recently in Israel insinuating that Obama was an appeaser, “conservative” posters here were quick to rejoice in how much high-octane ass our fearless leader kicks, not point out the rank hypocrisy contained in such a statement.
In fact, in this very thread, you'll note the original poster is using Obama’s shortcomings as a way to bolster George Bush’s reputation.

This is TYPICAL... Take my comments out of context to bolster your unstable arguments, and also filter out anything that you can't defend against.

No, I am just getting tired of responding to these long winded treatises...

I clearly stated that both political parties used the Horton/DuMond ads as election year political "ploys", but at the same time, that the points raised were valid and fair. Did either party have pure motives in delivering those ads?

There was no exploited racial element to the DuMond ads.
The political operatives behind the Willie Horton ads openly said "the only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it" and how the ads would be "every suburban mother’s greatest fear."
There's no comparison.

What do you want to do? Do you want to solve problems and come up with solutions, or do you just want to bitch? You can't even debate in the same realm with me because your arguments aren't sincere. You are in the Crossfire realm of "us vs. them" where you are siding with a political party, whereas I'm zoomed out to a higher realm of "us vs. them" where I can see that the problems are actually ALL the people vs. politicians in general.

Transcending partisanship is a trojan horse.
Right wing gasbags like Beck routinely say "it's not right or left, its right and wrong" and then they merrily go about bashing liberals for three consecutive hours daily.
You can't solve problems with an opposition party that effectively want to drown the government.

Also, I'll have you know Crossfire was the only show on American television, where both liberals (Begala, Carville) and conservatives (Novak, Carlson) warned the American people not to go into Iraq. The show is owed much more credit than you're giving it.

Your second, most glaring flaw, is your apparent inability to accept the problems on your own side of the fence. As I said, you pick and choose the things that support your case and ignore and discard those which hurt it. Just your responses to my posts say it all... You are not sincere in your arguments, because you are unable to recognize your own weaknesses and find a way to move beyond them. That makes you a political hack, no different than a Paul Begala or a Tucker Carlson, or a Hannity or a Colmbs. I only debate with the intention of improving something, not simply to argue. This tit-for-tat stuff has become the order of the day for too long now, and people are only into scoring "zingers" -- when issues come up that they can't respond to, they just deflect it back at the person who made it, like you accuse this thread of doing.

Anyone who reads this thread can tell who's trying to make honest arguments and who is not...

I am sincere in everything I post. I am just trying to keep it brisk. There is no way in hell I am going to disabuse you of your misbegotten ideas on “self responsibility” and blind free-market deification, it’s just not worth it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

They will try to shut people up, they've already started with their fairness doctrine.

Uhh, it was actually enacted into law by a Republican congress...back when they still cared about the common good.
And the precise implications of the doctrine are left up to discretion by station managers.

They can't beat Rush Limbaugh and O'reilly, Hannity et al with ideas, so they turn derrogatory from hatred.

Total oversimplification of the doctrine, and a complete lack of knowledge regarding the increasingly consolidated radio landscape.