Saint John's and Tito's Review of Revelation

[Tomulator]

These are good people.

Oh wait, just a minute, not done....

Talented musicians I'll give ya for sure, but good people?! Good people don't handle things the way they did with JSS and pretty much let SA take the fall for the lipping.

Sorry, but if you two could crawl out of Neal and Jon's colons for a minute you might be able to hear me better.

I agree they are not "good people" More like greedy people. Nice Cd out. If things go wrong Arnel will be dumped in a a heartbeat. Tito, You know nothing at all about these so called "good people" They are a business and will fire and replace anyone that cant do there job,the next night, and dont think they dont have a replacement {just in case} They did it 2 years ago.The only "good" about these "people" is there music, nothing else. Loyality, honesty,is not in there vocabulary. great musicians, dont set yourself up to be let down. Not "good people"

I have been a memeber for a good while, but very rarely do I post. I have to absolutely agree with the fact that these are not what I would consider good people or loyal bandmates. I have really struggled with my support of this band since they dumped Augeri like they did. I was never a fan of Soto's vocals, but they really treated him poorly as well. Like them or not...Def Leppard is a great example of what a true band should be. They are loyal to the core, and would never treat one of their bandmates like Journey has treated theirs. This is not a statement about musical taste...it's about sticking by your mates when they are down.

That being said, I do think the new album is decent. It is not however anywhere close to anything from the Perry era...no matter how much people want it to be. The re-recordings fall very short in my opinion...I enjoyed the Chalfant versions much better. I think Arnel has a great voice, and I am sure this is an exciting opportunity for him...he had just better hope that his voice holds out, or he will be tossed aside like the others.

AGREE 100%.

Sorry all...it's the truth.

[Tito]

Friga call the people that exposed the truth hear a bunch of drunks..

You have to admit there was SOME accuracy in that statement.

[Tito]

These are good people.

Oh wait, just a minute, not done....

Talented musicians I'll give ya for sure, but good people?! Good people don't handle things the way they did with JSS and pretty much let SA take the fall for the lipping.

Sorry, but if you two could crawl out of Neal and Jon's colons for a minute you might be able to hear me better.

I agree they are not "good people" More like greedy people. Nice Cd out. If things go wrong Arnel will be dumped in a a heartbeat. Tito, You know nothing at all about these so called "good people" They are a business and will fire and replace anyone that cant do there job,the next night, and dont think they dont have a replacement {just in case} They did it 2 years ago.The only "good" about these "people" is there music, nothing else. Loyality, honesty,is not in there vocabulary. great musicians, dont set yourself up to be let down. Not "good people"

I have been a memeber for a good while, but very rarely do I post. I have to absolutely agree with the fact that these are not what I would consider good people or loyal bandmates. I have really struggled with my support of this band since they dumped Augeri like they did. I was never a fan of Soto's vocals, but they really treated him poorly as well. Like them or not...Def Leppard is a great example of what a true band should be. They are loyal to the core, and would never treat one of their bandmates like Journey has treated theirs. This is not a statement about musical taste...it's about sticking by your mates when they are down.

That being said, I do think the new album is decent. It is not however anywhere close to anything from the Perry era...no matter how much people want it to be. The re-recordings fall very short in my opinion...I enjoyed the Chalfant versions much better. I think Arnel has a great voice, and I am sure this is an exciting opportunity for him...he had just better hope that his voice holds out, or he will be tossed aside like the others.

AGREE 100%.

Sorry all...it's the truth.

Naturally, the originals are better than the rerecords. I do like Lights and Open Arms a little bit better than the originals though.
I would say Revelation is > TBF and > ROR, but < Escape and Frontiers.

[Red13JoePa]

Friga call the people that exposed the truth hear a bunch of drunks..

You have to admit there was SOME accuracy in that statement.

LOL

[Saint John]

I would say Revelation is > TBF and > ROR, but < Escape and Frontiers.

Perfectly put. lol...TBF That's an album I'd listen to if I were on Death Row and looking at Lethal Injection. That way I could die in my sleep.

[Deb]

I would say Revelation is > TBF and > ROR, but < Escape and Frontiers.

Perfectly put. lol...TBF That's an album I'd listen to if I were on Death Row and looking at Lethal Injection. That way I could die in my sleep.

I knew it, you prefer the early high squealy vocals don't ya? LOL opposite of my preference of the later more raw vocals. No wonder you tease about EM and JSS, you wouldn't know an emotive raw vocal if it smacked you upside the head. Too bad you're not coming to Cali, you need to be slapped again.

How can somebody NOT like at least something from TBF?

[stevew2]

Friga call the people that exposed the truth hear a bunch of drunks..

You have to admit there was SOME accuracy in that statement.

Who had a couple of glasses of wine in him when Neal called about Arnel? Friga, Neal himself admitted haing a drinking problem. There was all kinds of proof, his was covering his ass. He should look at himself before he spews gay comments like that. He writes great songs, just cant talk for shit

[KISSNTIME]

Nice review. I have a couple of issues though:

First off, I love the album, but to me they tread to much in BGTY and OTY territory on Revelation. There was a reason those songs weren't good enough for Frontiers and were banished to soundtracks. Heck, they weren't even that big of hits back in the day. They're only popular now because Journey keeps shoving them down our throats and they've made them part of the "dirty dozen." Not to say I don't like them – I just don't think they're Journey's finest moments.

Secondly, the lyrics at points are bad, really bad. I've always been able to argue with folks that say Journey is just a whimpy band because of Neal's guitar and their great songwriting. I mean, did they really use "there's no I in team" as part of the lyrics in What It Takes To Win? That's about the goofyest thing I've heard. Obviously they were going for a rallying the troops in Iraq kinda song here but the cheesy lyrics kill it for me. The song is great musically but I pray that this song doesn't get much play.

Third, I love everything Schon has done, but Journey (The Revelation) is pretty poor IMO. I was really psyched that they'd have an instrumental on this disc but I'm underwhelmed by this tune. The band needed to be a much bigger part and it just doesn't sound like a Journey instrumental to me.


All in all I agree this album is much, much better than anything since RoR. While RoR is weak from a Journey standpoint, it still has qualities that rank it as a very good album for me. While it's a step in the right direction, it still doesn't come close to anything pre-Trial By Fire (my least fav Journey disc) which were arguably all classic albums. To rank this disc as "classic" is just silly IMO. I think it's very, very good – but nowhere near classic.

I doubt any of these songs will be played in concert in five years....

[Saint John]

I would say Revelation is > TBF and > ROR, but < Escape and Frontiers.

Perfectly put. lol...TBF That's an album I'd listen to if I were on Death Row and looking at Lethal Injection. That way I could die in my sleep.

I knew it, you prefer the early high squealy vocals don't ya? LOL opposite of my preference of the later more raw vocals. No wonder you tease about EM and JSS, you wouldn't know an emotive raw vocal if it smacked you upside the head. Too bad you're not coming to Cali, you need to be slapped again.

How can somebody NOT like at least something from TBF?

I never said I didn't like TBF. What I didn't like was Perry altering the Rocker/Ballad/Mid tepmo formula. Kind of like ROR. I love ROR songs but as an album from a ROCK band it completely alienates a certain segment of the fanbase and what people are used to...and it had the sales figures to prove that. Same with TBF. I love the first 4 or 5 songs and then it drifts off into lullaby-ville.

And you don't have to sound like Wolfman jack to be "emotive." You continuously mask average talented musicians with this "emotive" excuse. Perry had it...JSS and EM do not. If they did they'd be moving albums...they're not. Period. Eric Martin is a pretty good singer that's had a nice career. JSS is a dime a dozen. Literally thousands of him in the music world. And I hate pretty much every Perry song up until Escape...with the exception of about a handful. The sound of a 7th grade school girl getting finger fucked does very little for me. I thought Journey was a rock band.

[Greg]

Step away from the KOOL AID!

LOL!!! I think this says it all!

[Deb]

I would say Revelation is > TBF and > ROR, but < Escape and Frontiers.

Perfectly put. lol...TBF That's an album I'd listen to if I were on Death Row and looking at Lethal Injection. That way I could die in my sleep.

I knew it, you prefer the early high squealy vocals don't ya? LOL opposite of my preference of the later more raw vocals. No wonder you tease about EM and JSS, you wouldn't know an emotive raw vocal if it smacked you upside the head. Too bad you're not coming to Cali, you need to be slapped again.

How can somebody NOT like at least something from TBF?

I never said I didn't like TBF. What I didn't like was Perry altering the Rocker/Ballad/Mid tepmo formula. Kind of like ROR. I love ROR songs but as an album from a ROCK band it completely alienates a certain segment of the fanbase and what people are used to...and it had the sales figures to prove that. Same with TBF. I love the first 4 or 5 songs and then it drifts off into lullaby-ville.

And you don't have to sound like Wolfman jack to be "emotive." You continuously mask average talented musicians with this "emotive" excuse. Perry had it...JSS and EM do not. If they did they'd be moving albums...they're not. Period. Eric Martin is a pretty good singer that's had a nice career. JSS is a dime a dozen. Literally thousands of him in the music world. And I hate pretty much every Perry song up until Escape...with the exception of about a handful. The sound of a 7th grade school girl getting finger fucked does very little for me. I thought Journey was a rock band.

Sorry my bad, how silly of me....how could I interpret you only listening to TBF on death row looking at lethal injection......as not liking it?!

Wolfman Jack? You've got to be kidding. And that's ok, you don't get the "soul" thing, no biggy....your loss. You have no idea, you've never really heard any of their back catalogue. And puhlease, it's the "Journey" name (mostly due to the Perry era) that is moving albums now a days, doesn't matter who's attached to that. It's the way the industry is now. Don't get me wrong, I'm not slamming the current Journey, I like the new songs well enough and like Arnel and am buying the cd/dvd later this week, but it wasn't one of those gotta run out and buy it the day it goes on sale. Some vocals move ya, some don't......... Arnel just doesn't have that passionate delivery. I like a vocalist that can slay me with a heartfelt soulful ballad and yet be able to turn around and belt out a killer rock scream. Passionate delivery is a must in my books whether its a ballad or a rocker!

Dime a dozen, my ass.

Valerie Nerres: There was a rumor of you doing some work with Jeff Scot Soto. Is that still a possibility?

Steve Lukather: That’s a very real possibility. As a matter of fact, we’re talking about putting together an All-Star project. But that wouldn’t happen till the end of 2009 because I’m pretty much on the road until the end of summer 2009. It takes a while to get really great guys together. I’ve talked to a few people who are very interested in doing it. Jeff is one of the great vocalists of our time; this guy should be a superstar. He’s one of the great talents.

[Matthew]

What I didn't like was Perry altering the Rocker/Ballad/Mid tepmo formula. Kind of like ROR.

What about...Be Good To Yourself...Suzanne...Why Can't This Night Go on Together....or how about Raised On Radio....Girl Can't Help It...Happy To Give....? Rocker...Midtempo...Ballad....

The same formula as ever....

[Tito]

Nice review. I have a couple of issues though:

First off, I love the album, but to me they tread to much in BGTY and OTY territory on Revelation. There was a reason those songs weren't good enough for Frontiers and were banished to soundtracks. Heck, they weren't even that big of hits back in the day. They're only popular now because Journey keeps shoving them down our throats and they've made them part of the "dirty dozen."

Secondly, the lyrics at points are bad, really bad.

Third, I love everything Schon has done, but Journey (The Revelation) is pretty poor IMO. I was really psyched that they'd have an instrumental on this disc but I'm underwhelmed by this tune.

All in all I agree this album is much, much better than anything since RoR. While RoR is weak from a Journey standpoint, it still has qualities that rank it as a very good album for me. While it's a step in the right direction, it still doesn't come close to anything pre-Trial By Fire (my least fav Journey disc) which were arguably all classic albums. To rank this disc as "classic" is just silly IMO. I think it's very, very good – but nowhere near classic.

I doubt any of these songs will be played in concert in five years....

I, personally, did not feel this was BGTY or OTY territory. Those songs OTY and (you're thinking of Ask The Lonely not BGTY) would've been outstanding additions to Frontiers. But, those two songs stood on their own. BGTY and OTY were two of their biggest hits (both top 10 and they had only 6 total and two of their highest charting Mainstream rock tracks). I wouldn't mind if they dropped them in concert though.

I think there are some great lyrics throughout this CD including WITW. I agree, classic is a stretch unless this takes off.

[Matthew]

Nice review. I have a couple of issues though:

First off, I love the album, but to me they tread to much in BGTY and OTY territory on Revelation. There was a reason those songs weren't good enough for Frontiers and were banished to soundtracks. Heck, they weren't even that big of hits back in the day. They're only popular now because Journey keeps shoving them down our throats and they've made them part of the "dirty dozen."

Secondly, the lyrics at points are bad, really bad.

Third, I love everything Schon has done, but Journey (The Revelation) is pretty poor IMO. I was really psyched that they'd have an instrumental on this disc but I'm underwhelmed by this tune.

All in all I agree this album is much, much better than anything since RoR. While RoR is weak from a Journey standpoint, it still has qualities that rank it as a very good album for me. While it's a step in the right direction, it still doesn't come close to anything pre-Trial By Fire (my least fav Journey disc) which were arguably all classic albums. To rank this disc as "classic" is just silly IMO. I think it's very, very good – but nowhere near classic.

I doubt any of these songs will be played in concert in five years....

I, personally, did not feel this was BGTY or OTY territory. Those songs OTY and (you're thinking of Ask The Lonely not BGTY) would've been outstanding additions to Frontiers. But, those two songs stood on their own. BGTY and OTY were two of their biggest hits (both top 10 and they had only 6 total and two of their highest charting Mainstream rock tracks). I wouldn't mind if they dropped them in concert though.

I think there are some great lyrics throughout this CD including WITW. I agree, classic is a stretch unless this takes off.

Also...Be Good To Yourself wasn't an out-take from Frontiers. I think that guy has got it confused with Ask The Lonely...

[Saint John]

Dime a dozen, my ass.

I don't need Steve Lukather to tell me who's average and who isn't. Jeff's been around for almost 25 years. He's toured Europe, had the Rock Star movie break, toured the U.S. with Journey, and the U.S. solo. People know who he is. They're simply not interested. That my dear is a fact. Send that back to Lipkather.

[Tomulator]

I would say Revelation is > TBF and > ROR, but < Escape and Frontiers.

Perfectly put. lol...TBF That's an album I'd listen to if I were on Death Row and looking at Lethal Injection. That way I could die in my sleep.

I knew it, you prefer the early high squealy vocals don't ya? LOL opposite of my preference of the later more raw vocals. No wonder you tease about EM and JSS, you wouldn't know an emotive raw vocal if it smacked you upside the head. Too bad you're not coming to Cali, you need to be slapped again.

How can somebody NOT like at least something from TBF?

I never said I didn't like TBF. What I didn't like was Perry altering the Rocker/Ballad/Mid tepmo formula. Kind of like ROR. I love ROR songs but as an album from a ROCK band it completely alienates a certain segment of the fanbase and what people are used to...and it had the sales figures to prove that. Same with TBF. I love the first 4 or 5 songs and then it drifts off into lullaby-ville.

And you don't have to sound like Wolfman jack to be "emotive." You continuously mask average talented musicians with this "emotive" excuse. Perry had it...JSS and EM do not. If they did they'd be moving albums...they're not. Period. Eric Martin is a pretty good singer that's had a nice career. JSS is a dime a dozen. Literally thousands of him in the music world. And I hate pretty much every Perry song up until Escape...with the exception of about a handful. The sound of a 7th grade school girl getting finger fucked does very little for me. I thought Journey was a rock band.

Excuse me SJ...but exactly HOW do you know this is what happened?

[jrnyfan74]

I have been a memeber for a good while, but very rarely do I post. I have to absolutely agree with the fact that these are not what I would consider good people or loyal bandmates. I have really struggled with my support of this band since they dumped Augeri like they did. I was never a fan of Soto's vocals, but they really treated him poorly as well. Like them or not...Def Leppard is a great example of what a true band should be. They are loyal to the core, and would never treat one of their bandmates like Journey has treated theirs. This is not a statement about musical taste...it's about sticking by your mates when they are down.

That being said, I do think the new album is decent. It is not however anywhere close to anything from the Perry era...no matter how much people want it to be. The re-recordings fall very short in my opinion...I enjoyed the Chalfant versions much better. I think Arnel has a great voice, and I am sure this is an exciting opportunity for him...he had just better hope that his voice holds out, or he will be tossed aside like the others.

They had no choice in the Augeri situation. He wasn't fired right away. They put him on the D.L., apparently he did not get better, so they may a change. Even if he did, considering how much abuse he took on this board, how could they go back to him. How do we know how they treated Soto? Were we there? From this outside observer, I think they treated Soto well and did wonders for his career.

I disagree with Def Leppard. They replaced one guitarist, Pete Willis, and were probably ready to replace Steve Clark. If Rick Allen wouldn't have made that remarkable recovery, they probably would've continued without him too.

If they were going to get rid of Clark, they would have done it right before or right after Hysteria. Willis and his alcoholism were too costly for a band trying to make it to the big time...even Willis has come out and said they did him a favor, and probably saved his life. I have seen both of these bands numerous times in concert, and DL has much more synergy than Journey on stage (at least from the Augeri era forward).

The fact that we visit this site, post our comments, and express our emotions about this band is a credit to how incredible a band can be when all of the right pieces fall into place. In my opinion, both Perry and Schon have allowed their egos and pride to crumble what was quite possibly the most talented and complete band in rock 'n' roll history.

[Tito]

[quote="stevew2"Who had a couple of glasses of wine in him when Neal called about Arnel? Friga[/quote]

Hey, what can I say? Italians like their wine.

[Deb]

In my opinion, both Perry and Schon have allowed their egos and pride to crumble what was quite possibly the most talented and complete band in rock 'n' roll history.

I kinda agree with that. When I think of the all-time best performance by anybody, anywhere, anytime........this clip by the classic Journey comes to mind. The whole band running on all cylinders, jaw-dropping! It still amazes me we never knew just how good we had it back then........haven't seen anything close to this chemistry and talent on one stage since.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOVHz3VC06o

[JSS]

Dime a dozen, my ass.

I don't need Steve Lukather to tell me who's average and who isn't. Jeff's been around for almost 25 years. He's toured Europe, had the Rock Star movie break, toured the U.S. with Journey, and the U.S. solo. People know who he is. They're simply not interested. That my dear is a fact. Send that back to Lipkather.

And you do what for a living? What a fuckwit, why do you guys even correspond with this Deano wannabe? It's amazing how far up the band's asses he is, nothing else in life matters...it'd be nice if people didn't feel they had to let me know he was talking shit about me again, 23 years in this business professionally & just because I don't sing Open Arms anymore, I am a nobody...wake up dickhead!

[Deb]

Dime a dozen, my ass.

I don't need Steve Lukather to tell me who's average and who isn't. Jeff's been around for almost 25 years. He's toured Europe, had the Rock Star movie break, toured the U.S. with Journey, and the U.S. solo. People know who he is. They're simply not interested. That my dear is a fact. Send that back to Lipkather.

And you do what for a living? What a fuckwit, why do you guys even correspond with this Deano wannabe? It's amazing how far up the band's asses he is, nothing else in life matters...it'd be nice if people didn't feel they had to let me know he was talking shit about me again, 23 years in this business professionally & just because I don't sing Open Arms anymore, I am a nobody...wake up dickhead!

Alright, who squealed? Dan needs a good bitch slap is all. Somebody slams you, EM or SP and my claws instinctly come out......sorry.

[larryfromnextdoor]

it'd be nice if people

hey man,, for every one of these horrible comments made towards you ,, there are volumes of folks that

dig and cherish your music and style of singing .. etc.... THATS the honest truth that can be sent to the bank..

.. the heck with the rest..

im embarrassed to read and participate here sometimes..

[Tito]

im embarrassed to read and participate here sometimes..

Me too.

[DrFU]

it'd be nice if people

hey man,, for every one of these horrible comments made towards you ,, there are volumes of folks that

dig and cherish your music and style of singing .. etc.... THATS the honest truth that can be sent to the bank..

.. the heck with the rest..

im embarrassed to read and participate here sometimes..

oh, yikes...

what Larry said...and a slew of us will be in SF and LA in a couple of weeks to demonstrate same in person

[stevew2]

[quote="stevew2"Who had a couple of glasses of wine in him when Neal called about Arnel? Friga

Hey, what can I say? Italians like their wine.[/quote] Is Friga Italian? I thay he was from Nigeria, or were you talkin bout Neal

[stevew2]

Dime a dozen, my ass.

I don't need Steve Lukather to tell me who's average and who isn't. Jeff's been around for almost 25 years. He's toured Europe, had the Rock Star movie break, toured the U.S. with Journey, and the U.S. solo. People know who he is. They're simply not interested. That my dear is a fact. Send that back to Lipkather.

And you do what for a living? What a fuckwit, why do you guys even correspond with this Deano wannabe? It's amazing how far up the band's asses he is, nothing else in life matters...it'd be nice if people didn't feel they had to let me know he was talking shit about me again, 23 years in this business professionally & just because I don't sing Open Arms anymore, I am a nobody...wake up dickhead!

Busted

[Natalie]

WOW! That’s a very thorough review. Who helped you spell the big words?

Spell check.

Great.

So...my next question is....why only one review from the two of you? Do you share a brain, therefore, making it impossible to think for yourselves?????


Just wondering.

[Lula]

aww the st john and tito show is back

"Never Walk Away - Great opener and just an outstanding song with a catchy chorus. Soto departure pays dividends right away. Upon Soto being "sent away", Jeremey Hunsicker was brought in and during his audition he helped co-write this fine song."

complete and utter BS. haven't you heard this "outstanding" song before? listen to "believe in me" and "be good to yourself." you two just can't help yourselves.... you just have to be insulting. your review could exist without the slam against jeff. give it a fucking rest.

[Greg]

[WykkedSensation]

Sorry Jeff,
but you coming on here when someone has a dig is not the coolest of things to do imo.
This is a message board, and just like other message boards, people or artists get slammed, it's the way of the world.
Criticism is part of everday life, especially in your game.
Haven't you considered, that you coming on here and seemingly unable to take criticism and mouthing off back at the individuals is lowering yourself.
You have fans and you have people who don't give a shit about you, So what. Carry on with what you obviously love doing and don't give a shit back. Don't lower yourself brother.