Trial By Fire or Revelation

[finalfight]

Trial By Fire. Perry. Period.

Besides, I really don't think you can place a new album in it's proper place in Journey canon until a few years have passed and it's not the brand new shiny thing it is now. Then we will have some perspective, and we can determine how much we are still listening to Revelation as opposed to all the other Journey albums. That's why I laugh a little bit every time I see a review which says that Revelation is "Journey's best album since XXXX". It's brand new - of course people are going to be excited and many Journey fans want to love it because they want that old Journey magic back again. If you're still excited about it in 2, 5, 7 years, great. I like several of the songs on Revelation, but I can't say where it will be in my rotation a couple of years down the road, and that's fine. At the moment, the Journey albums that see the most spins for me are Frontiers, Arrival, and Escape, in that order, with selected tracks from Generations thrown in there once in a while.

Does this make any sense??

It did until you mentioned Generations.

[frfksakes]

Definitely Trial by Fire - More clunkers than Revelation, but its sweet spots make up for it many fold.

Revelation is all a bit bland in comparison to MOL etc.

[Greg]

Definitely Trial by Fire - More clunkers than Revelation, but its sweet spots make up for it many fold.

Revelation is all a bit bland in comparison to MOL etc.

I think this goes back to what I had posted earlier. And that it's difficult to compare one album with 10 (not counting the instrumental) songs on it to an album with 15 or 16.

If Trial By Fire had slimmed down to the best 10 songs on that album, and had replaced one of those ballads with I Can See It In Your Eyes, people would've appreciated the album a lot more.

[belar]

Trial By Fire. Perry. Period.

Besides, I really don't think you can place a new album in it's proper place in Journey canon until a few years have passed and it's not the brand new shiny thing it is now. Then we will have some perspective, and we can determine how much we are still listening to Revelation as opposed to all the other Journey albums. That's why I laugh a little bit every time I see a review which says that Revelation is "Journey's best album since XXXX". It's brand new - of course people are going to be excited and many Journey fans want to love it because they want that old Journey magic back again. If you're still excited about it in 2, 5, 7 years, great. I like several of the songs on Revelation, but I can't say where it will be in my rotation a couple of years down the road, and that's fine. At the moment, the Journey albums that see the most spins for me are Frontiers, Arrival, and Escape, in that order, with selected tracks from Generations thrown in there once in a while.

Does this make any sense??

It did until you mentioned Generations.

Sigh. I listen to Deen's two tracks and The Place In Your Heart. Does that make it any better?

[brywool]

Revelation, hands down.

TBF is a boring album with a few decent songs and a LOT of sleepy ones. TBF, Just the Rain, and the Reggae song should've never been Journey songs. They go nowhere. I guess they're dandy for women who want to cuddle up by the fire with the latest book from Oprah's Book Club, but they are NOT representative of Journey to me. They sound like Perry B-sides- actually, his B-sides were much better.
Castles Burning, could've been a good rocker, but the end just goes on ad nauseum. Message of Love is fairly decent but the breaks are straight from Separate Ways. Easy to Fall is a classic, though the chords were also good on Sweet and Simple. When You Love a Woman, also classic. I Can See it In Your Eyes should've been on the album. Colors of the Spirit... no thanks.

If it was Arrival VS TBF, I'd go with Arrival as well.

All Journey's albums have their highs and lows, though from Infinity to Frontiers, there weren't many lows at all. The lows started showing up in about 1986 with ROR. Another album that could've used a few heavier tracks.

I think with Revelation, the pacing of the album is just right for me. The right number of ballads to the right number or upbeat tunes. One thing that someone did mention was that some of the lyrics are like "Eye of the Tiger" kinds of things. "come on, get up, win the fight" kinds of soundtracky things. I'd agree with that criticism, but the playing and singing on the album outweigh the lyrics for me. If Faith in the Heartland had not already been recorded great once already, then Revelation would rank right up there with Escape and Frontiers for me.

TBF was an album of missed opportunities. Generations was too. Revelation seems to have gotten it right as far as I'm concerned.

[The Fly]

TBF, though having some outstanding parts, is the worst of the cannonical Journey albums, as I will refer to Infinity through Revelation.

You can't possibly be serious.

I completely agree with this... Never liked TBF much. Sounds like a Perry solo album much more than a Journey one.

Revelation by 100 miles!

[NealIsGod]

TBF, though having some outstanding parts, is the worst of the cannonical Journey albums, as I will refer to Infinity through Revelation.

You can't possibly be serious.

I completely agree with this... Never liked TBF much. Sounds like a Perry solo album much more than a Journey one.

Revelation by 100 miles!

Add me to this club. TBF only has one track that I ever listen to (MOL). Two if you count ICSIIYE. Nothing else on there is worth a damn.

[Don]

I think Trial By Fire is the beter studio album, but I don't know how they ever planned to tour with it unless they were going to only sing one or two songs off of it. Too much Studio Hokus Pokus went into it. If you use an audio editor on it, it's exposed as a patchwork of cuts and edits. It sounds great but try to replicate it on the road without support tapes and it would be a different beast entirely.

[NealIsGod]

I think Trial By Fire is the beter studio album, but I don't know how they ever planned to tour with it unless they were going to only sing one or two songs off of it. Too much Studio Hokus Pokus went into it. If you use an audio editor on it, it's exposed as a patchwork of cuts and edits. It sounds great but try to replicate it on the road without support tapes and it would be a different beast entirely.

Nah, Journey would never use tapes.

[Don]

I think Trial By Fire is the beter studio album, but I don't know how they ever planned to tour with it unless they were going to only sing one or two songs off of it. Too much Studio Hokus Pokus went into it. If you use an audio editor on it, it's exposed as a patchwork of cuts and edits. It sounds great but try to replicate it on the road without support tapes and it would be a different beast entirely.

Nah, Journey would never use tapes.

Maybe Steve didn't want to use tapes, hence the injury to his hip.

[Rhiannon]

Maybe Steve didn't want to use tapes, hence the injury to his hip.

Are you suggesting Steve Perry was beaten with tapes and that is what hurt his hip?

My manager beats me you guys. ...I mean I fell down the stairs.

[Don]

Maybe Steve didn't want to use tapes, hence the injury to his hip.

Are you suggesting Steve Perry was beaten with tapes and that is what hurt his hip?

My manager beats me you guys. ...I mean I fell down the stairs.

I'm talking big and mean reel to reels, not those little wussy casette chumps.

[WykkedSensation]

TBF by a mile. The magic was there (again).
I like 'Revelation' a lot, but to me i do not hear the so called 'Legacy' sound. What i hear on the new release is something that could be any one of a gazillion bands. If i did not know it was Journey, i would never had dreamed it was them.

Revelation is good but TBF is farrrr superior to these ears, and it actually sounds like Journey.

[Liam]

TBF by a LONGSHOT.

[Rhiannon]

Maybe Steve didn't want to use tapes, hence the injury to his hip.

Are you suggesting Steve Perry was beaten with tapes and that is what hurt his hip?

My manager beats me you guys. ...I mean I fell down the stairs.

I'm talking big and mean reel to reels, not those little wussy casette chumps.

Being beat in the hip with one of those would make anybody a little sore.

[Schon Rules All]

TBF by at least 6 lengths. I have tried and tried to get behind the new Journey, but I can't yet. Call me the grumpy old man but I prefer the Perry Era period. I actually went to the concert with Styx and REO and came home depressed. There was something missing from the memories I have of Journey. I miss that smooth and at time rough soul crooner, TBF just seems to reach out and grab you and dare you to let it go. The appeal isn't only with the Voice, some of the music itself was very energetic and at the same time smooth and melodic enough to relax your bones. FWIW

who doesnt..

Me... for one.

[musicfan17]

I prefer Revelation actually. TBF had it's moments though.

[JeremyP]

People dont realize how much of a patch work TBF is vocally. IF you use a program like Adobe Audition and separate the center channel from the stereo image you can hear Perry without any effects and hardly any backing music.. It is there that you can hear the edits... Tons of them.... He did not sing for very long on any of the tracks without stopping. Maybe he always "comped" the vocals like that... Hearing him without effects and backing music shows that the damage is there for sure.

Makes you wonder why people got all up Augeri's ass for doing it.

TBF by a landslide. I like a number of songs on REV, but TBF is the only one of the two that I can listen to all of it without skipping a song. Better guitar tone from Neal...better melodic hooks...(on most of the songs)...overall clearer, more lush sound, and I like have Cain and Schon panned left and right respectively. Screws with my head that it's the other way around for REV. I'm thinking of burning a cd with the songs that I like and reversing the stereo channels...lol.

[JeremyP]

TBF by at least 6 lengths. I have tried and tried to get behind the new Journey, but I can't yet. Call me the grumpy old man but I prefer the Perry Era period. I actually went to the concert with Styx and REO and came home depressed. There was something missing from the memories I have of Journey. I miss that smooth and at time rough soul crooner, TBF just seems to reach out and grab you and dare you to let it go. The appeal isn't only with the Voice, some of the music itself was very energetic and at the same time smooth and melodic enough to relax your bones. FWIW

who doesnt..

Me... for one.

Me too.

[journey062393]

Trial By Fire.

I don't hear the same kind of emotion or vocal trapeeze act on Revelation.
Revelation is good. But TBF is better.
I could do without all the nature sound effects but... that's neither here nor there.

Then where is it?

[nolippin]

Trial by Fire...no question.

[journey062393]

Mmmmmm.... since I actually enjoy the disc in its entirety and am not tempted to gnash by brains out to NIN after the first 4 tracks, Revelation.

However, those 4 tracks on TBF that I can listen to, knock me on my ass.

...But after that, brain gnashing a la Trent Reznor.

You mean there isnt anything you like about the remaining 11 tracks? Come on! Humor me, just one more song in there somewhere? Trial By Fire? Easy to Fall? Or maybe the hidden track, 'Baby I'm a Leavin' You', which I personally wish would have remained hidden! I have to say.....so far.....I like Trial By Fire more than Revelations. However, I didnt like it that much when i first bought it. Only after playing it over and over did i really like it. And I do like Revelations a lot too. I only skip over FITHL usually, and sometimes the Journey Revelation. Not one of my favorite instrumentals of Neal.

[Deb]

Trial By Fire

I confess, I am struggling to connect with Revelation. I find it soulless and unmemorable. I will be trying it on repeat in my car this weekend to try and cement its good points. So far, I actually prefer Generations to Revelation, for all its flaws.

Agreed! Nothing but nothing beats Perry's vocals and Schon's guitar together! I'm missing the soul, also. But then I'm biased when it comes to preferring those two instruments together. Pure magic..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yCGz7Khpms

I don't listen to the last half of TBF as much, but I LOVE the first half! Easy To Fall and When You Love A Woman are right up there behind Still They Ride as all-time favorite ballads. And I'd disagree on Generations. I would put Revelations above Generations.....and I'm one of the very few that preferred Generations to Arrival.

[Rhiannon]

You mean there isnt anything you like about the remaining 11 tracks? Come on! Humor me, just one more song in there somewhere? Trial By Fire? Easy to Fall? Or maybe the hidden track, 'Baby I'm a Leavin' You', which I personally wish would have remained hidden! I have to say.....so far.....I like Trial By Fire more than Revelations. However, I didnt like it that much when i first bought it. Only after playing it over and over did i really like it. And I do like Revelations a lot too. I only skip over FITHL usually, and sometimes the Journey Revelation. Not one of my favorite instrumentals of Neal.

Anything beyond track 5, and this is what I have to hear to recover...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=P-9hrD_dBgY

[RunningAlone Pgh]

No comparison in my book - TBF by a million miles!

[Rick]

You mean there isnt anything you like about the remaining 11 tracks? Come on! Humor me, just one more song in there somewhere? Trial By Fire? Easy to Fall? Or maybe the hidden track, 'Baby I'm a Leavin' You', which I personally wish would have remained hidden! I have to say.....so far.....I like Trial By Fire more than Revelations. However, I didnt like it that much when i first bought it. Only after playing it over and over did i really like it. And I do like Revelations a lot too. I only skip over FITHL usually, and sometimes the Journey Revelation. Not one of my favorite instrumentals of Neal.

Anything beyond track 5, and this is what I have to hear to recover...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=P-9hrD_dBgY

The listenable songs, which I really do like on TBF are WYLAW, ETF, MOL, DBDOMB and throw in WITOY. Ok, that's 5. Not too bad.

[belar]

No love for Still She Cries?

[Liquid_Drummer]

I like these songs on TBF. Everthing else = skip)

MOL even though it is Separate Ways part 2
IHSBYH (love this song so much I covered it)
Forever in blue. (Again, Perry and his "way" of singing high or not makes it awesome)
Dont Be down (love the vocals and emotion raspy or not.)
TBF (my fav track. just love the feel of it)
Colors of the Spirit (thank you for doing a song that is not about a woman or love. very atmospheric sounding)
WYLAW (like it but burnt on it)

Everything else I can not stand and even went as far as to make my own version with the songs not mentioned deleted.

So far on the new cd there are two songs I skip.

What it takes to win. ( I dont like songs that remind me of 80's sport montages.. Cheeesy.. Love it until the chorus then the lyrics kill it for me dead.)
Turn down the world (do not like the vocal phrasing. To many words in too short of space..)

All of the other songs just roll my joint !! Love it..

[daytrpr]

What it is is this.
Top 3 right now are Revelation followed by Raised On Radio, followed by Generations.

Wow. That is literally my bottom 3.



Well, not quite, but close. ROR is the worst of the Perry albums. Generations is the worst of the Augeri albums. And I put Revelation below both TBF and Arrival.

[daytrpr]

I like these songs on TBF. Everthing else = skip)

What it takes to win. ( I dont like songs that remind me of 80's sport montages.. Cheeesy.. Love it until the chorus then the lyrics kill it for me dead.)

Me too. When I first heard it I told my wife "They re-recorded that 'Gotta have a montage' song from South Park."